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Speaker 1: Ever due for c Ellens.

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Speaker 2: Scott Raiser Robinson has named his first ever Test match

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Speaker 2: squad as the AB's coach. Bad day for Boden Barrett

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Speaker 2: because Boden missed out on fullback seven seven. Perafeta got that.

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Speaker 2: He missed out on first five. Damian McKenzie got that.

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Speaker 2: Sir John Kerwin is a former All Black high JK.

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Speaker 1: How are we? I'm very well, chat, I'm very well.

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Speaker 2: I'm having a better day, I think than Boden Barriners.

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Speaker 2: So tell me why do you think Rasor picked Stephen

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Speaker 2: Perafetta over body in fullback?

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Speaker 1: I think this body's been in Japan playing so he

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Speaker 1: hasn't played any super rugby, just got back and I

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Speaker 1: think it's a really wise choice. I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: Boden will need a little bit of time to get

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Speaker 1: back at that level. So and Stephen Perfetta has been,

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Speaker 1: you know, a form player in the last few weeks,

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Speaker 1: although it has been injured. You know, I think Boden,

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Speaker 1: for me, he goes down and the jury status because

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Speaker 1: he could have left, but he's coming back and I

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Speaker 1: think we'll see him well. Though he probably might not

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Speaker 1: be that happy with sitting on the bench and he

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Speaker 1: full try and force his way in. We might see

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Speaker 1: him a little bit, you know, just coming on late

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Speaker 1: to solve problem situations.

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Speaker 2: And so obviously the same reason for picking Damien McKenzie

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Speaker 2: over Bowden Barrett and the number ten Jersey, do you

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Speaker 2: e Reckon? Damien's actually good enough? Like I'm a fan

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Speaker 2: of his, are you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a really big fan. I think he brings

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Speaker 1: a different dimension to the game, and I think the

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Speaker 1: most important thing with damiens led him to play ten

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Speaker 1: the way he likes to play it. That means players

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Speaker 1: around him might need to adjust. So I think when

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Speaker 1: you've got someone like Damien McKenzie at ten, you do

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Speaker 1: need to think about what's going on around him and

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Speaker 1: how we can really free him up. I think you'll

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Speaker 1: see him play a little bit in the backfield, so

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Speaker 1: him and Stephen Petefetta might swap a wee bit so

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Speaker 1: that there's kicks back. You might even see both of

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Speaker 1: them back there. So I think that's really exciting because

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Speaker 1: if you give Damien any space, he's really going to

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Speaker 1: take it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were speculating before that. What's been pointed out

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Speaker 2: is that Razor has picked a team of people who

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Speaker 2: have played before who've got experience under the belt, and

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Speaker 2: we were speculating before that that's an indication that he

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Speaker 2: is himself feeling the pressure that he needs to win

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Speaker 2: this first Test.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, he's an all back coach. He

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Speaker 1: needs to win first. I'm sure he's got a big

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Speaker 1: plan in place about bringing new players through, but he

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Speaker 1: needs to win Test matches in New Zealand. Public demand that,

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Speaker 1: and I would say it's the wisest thing he could

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Speaker 1: have done. You know, he's had a lot of retirements,

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Speaker 1: he's had a lot of big players that have left,

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Speaker 1: but he has actually gone right, Okay, here we go.

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Speaker 1: We've got enough experience in this team. This is a

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Speaker 1: really good English side as well. I think that you know,

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Speaker 1: they've had a chance to go and Japan and have

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Speaker 1: a warm up game. So I think it was really

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Speaker 1: really wise. I thought there might be a couple of

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Speaker 1: you know, a couple of guys on the bench that

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Speaker 1: might be new Caps, but I understand fully ways and

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Speaker 1: gone that way.

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Speaker 2: Hey were you at the government's mental health announcement today?

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Speaker 1: I was. I was really stoked to be there. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I think they are Look, there's three things that are

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Speaker 1: really really important for me. You cannot centralize mental health,

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Speaker 1: so it needs to be a community issue. There are

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Speaker 1: some amazing you know, I travel the country. There's some

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Speaker 1: amazing people in the community that are doing great mental

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Speaker 1: health work. So we need to finance them. The second

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Speaker 1: thing is we've got to start talking about preventive mental health.

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Speaker 1: How do we stop pushing people off the cliff? And

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Speaker 1: you know, I think what this government has said. If

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Speaker 1: we give ten million this year and these people come

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Speaker 1: back to us and say this is working in the community,

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Speaker 1: you know we've got this program that's working, here's the proof,

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Speaker 1: they're going to extend on that money. So community is

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Speaker 1: where it's at. And if you're out there and you've

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Speaker 1: got these programs in place where you know you're making

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Speaker 1: a different to mental health, then I would say apply

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Speaker 1: for it. I think it's and innovation is the word

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Speaker 1: we need. You know, this is a worldwide problem, as

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean there's eight hundred thousand people committed

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Speaker 1: suicide last year, right, so this is a crisis around

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Speaker 1: the world, and our beautiful little country is way up

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Speaker 1: there in the bad stats. So what we've been doing,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think this is anyone's fault. What we've

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Speaker 1: been doing is not working, so we need to try

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Speaker 1: and attack this differently. So innovation, giving money to the community,

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Speaker 1: then proving back that it works, and then giving them

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Speaker 1: more money is definitely what I think we should be doing.

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Speaker 2: John, Thank you very much, really appreciate sir John Kerb

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Speaker 2: and former All Black and of course mental health advocate.

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