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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's hither

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Speaker 1: duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 2: Right, good afternoon, welcome to the show coming up today.

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Speaker 2: Yet another miller's closed pan pack has confirmed it shut

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Speaker 2: of the Napier pulp mill because of power prices. We're

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Speaker 2: Cathedral looks like it's gonna be mothboard. We'll talk to

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Speaker 2: a christ Church City councilor about that. And what actually

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Speaker 2: did happen to the attiti last night? Was it too windy?

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Speaker 2: Was it the wrong course that was put in? Hopefully

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Speaker 2: the crew lawyer will be able to fill us in.

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Speaker 2: Heather duplicy l on the christ Church Cathedral rebuild, I

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Speaker 2: actually think Nichola Willis has made the right call not

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Speaker 2: to give any more tax payer money to it. I

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Speaker 2: mean it's a tough call, right, It's gonna have consequences.

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Speaker 2: As they're saying, it looks like the cathedral might be

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Speaker 2: mothboard because they just cannot figure out at the stage

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Speaker 2: how else they're going to raise the money. But frankly,

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Speaker 2: I don't need you to you don't need me to

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Speaker 2: tell you this. The country can't afford to give them

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Speaker 2: another sixty million dollars, can it. We're living on our

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Speaker 2: credit card. We've already stumped up about twenty five million

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Speaker 2: bucks to help them out. And let's remember this is

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Speaker 2: a privately owned church. It's owned by the Anglicans. It's

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Speaker 2: not like we are helping to build something that belongs

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Speaker 2: sitting on about two point nine billion dollars worth of

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Speaker 2: assets at last count, just in this country alone. Liquid

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Speaker 2: ad an asset if you want to pay for it now.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to appear to be callous about this

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Speaker 2: because I realize that this is a really important place

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Speaker 2: for christ Church and it will be disappointing to a

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Speaker 2: lot of Cantabrians. But christ Church has had a lot

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Speaker 2: of taxpayer assistance since the quake, you know, quite rightly,

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Speaker 2: quite rightly, but it's been a lot, and there has

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Speaker 2: got to be a limit to it. And I want

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Speaker 2: to compare it to what's happened to Wellington. For example,

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Speaker 2: Wellington actually suffered a lot more than people realized from

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Speaker 2: the twenty sixteen CAI Coda earthquake. I mean, I think

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Speaker 2: we've come to realize that the most likely explanation for

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Speaker 2: all of the pipes bursting in Wellington currently is because

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Speaker 2: of the quake that happened in twenty sixteen, and there

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Speaker 2: has been, as far as I can tell, no taxpayer

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Speaker 2: assistance for Wellington in dealing with what has happened as

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Speaker 2: a result of that quake. Now I realize it's not

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Speaker 2: a straight comparison. I mean, the christ Church quake of

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Speaker 2: course Wellington would not be assisted to the level that

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Speaker 2: make is that apart from some funding for privately held residences,

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Speaker 2: Wellington has not been helped. Christ Church has been helped

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Speaker 2: a lot. And maybe it's time for the Anglicans to

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Speaker 2: help now because it is their building after all.

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Speaker 1: Heller do for see Allen nine.

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Speaker 2: Two is the tex number. You're welcome to weigh in

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Speaker 2: five ten or thereabouts. Now new migrants are going to

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Speaker 2: have to pay a lot more to come here. From

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Speaker 2: October one, prices for new visas are set to skyrocket.

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Speaker 2: The price of a skilled residence visa is going to

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Speaker 2: rise more than two thousand dollars. It's about four thy

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Speaker 2: five hundred. Work visas will cost about double the current price,

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Speaker 2: and applicants in the investor plus category will have to

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Speaker 2: the New Zealand Association for Migration and Investment and with

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Speaker 2: us now, hey here, is this going to put off

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Speaker 3: It possibly will. I mean what I say is that

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Speaker 3: we will see different effects across different categories of visas.

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Speaker 3: For example, if New Zealand keeps offering what we offer

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Speaker 3: for students studying master's courses here, I wouldn't expect that

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Speaker 3: But for the other categories, say carpenters or tilers that

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Speaker 4: Why would they even bother coming to New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so for anybody who actually has the possibility of

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Speaker 2: absolutely not going to put them off fair.

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Speaker 3: I mean at will. There's a lot of thinking that

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Speaker 3: say blatantly is I understand that the government's trying to

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Speaker 2: Is it a bad thing a rouma if we actually

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Speaker 2: have some migrants who are dissuaded from coming here, because

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Speaker 2: frankly we're running hot at the.

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Speaker 5: Moment on this, yeah, I think it is.

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Speaker 4: We have to be very careful.

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Speaker 3: It has a potential of really being detrimental to the

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Speaker 3: When we are increasing these fees, we have to give

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Speaker 3: with immigration, New Zealand inconsistent decision making, the time it takes,

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Speaker 2: I mean, the argument the government's making at the moment

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Speaker 2: Aussies and the UK. Is that right?

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Speaker 3: It will? But I think what I say to that

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Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of other factors that need

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Speaker 2: Just say though, I mean, you're making it sound like

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Speaker 2: if we put the stuff in, nobody's going to want

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Speaker 3: I mean, people obviously have motivations, and like I said,

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Speaker 3: if you look at a student visa, it doesn't matter

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Speaker 3: how much you increase the feest because they get so

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Speaker 3: much for doing a master's here, They're still going to

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Speaker 3: be ques outside of New Zealand. When you look at

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Speaker 3: other visa categories, like there's partners that have people here.

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Speaker 3: This is going to hit the pocket. And then you

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Speaker 4: A lot more.

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Speaker 3: So if we are increasing the fees, we have to

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Speaker 4: We have to give a better customer service.

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Speaker 2: Okay, if you're charging more, you have to make sure

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Speaker 4: Right, Well, you can't expect someone to aid four months

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Speaker 2: No, fair enough? What's the UK service?

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Speaker 4: I mean, the thing is that UK service.

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Speaker 3: I mean they've got fast priority qs and I don't

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Speaker 3: really operate in that space. But it's not apples to apples.

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Speaker 3: All I'm saying is the feesa is going to increase

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Speaker 4: Service, even make it better than because.

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Speaker 3: Currently operationalization within immigration is a bit.

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Speaker 4: Of a mess and it has to be rectified.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a fair point. Hey a Runema, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate you perspective. That's a Runeama Ingra, a

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Speaker 2: chair of the New Zealand Association for Migration and Investment. Now,

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Speaker 2: the reason that the government is doing this. I mean,

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Speaker 2: saying the move freeze up five hundred and sixty three

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Speaker 2: quite mean by freezer, I don't know what what's up

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Speaker 2: so we're going to be so we got I don't see. Frankly,

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Speaker 2: I'm all on board of this, an't you. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we have always been a migration destination, we always will be.

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Speaker 2: We may as well get some dollars from the people

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Speaker 2: great show christ Church can pay for their own I'm

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Speaker 2: a taxpayer stuff the churches, et cetera. Listen, the C

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Speaker 2: two boys. Now, the C two boys did the canoeing

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Speaker 2: did they compete in the K four, which is the

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Speaker 2: whole point of them trying to get in through this

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Speaker 2: How do they go in the kayaking? They were in

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Speaker 2: the final they made it to the final. They came last.

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Speaker 2: Now that sounds bad, it's not bad. What it means

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Speaker 2: the K for we're not actually that good at it yet,

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Speaker 2: K four is actually not a bad thing. And bear

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither duper c

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Speaker 1: Allen Drive with one New Zealand one giant leaf for business.

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Speaker 2: U Storks be hither to be fair. It's eight that

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Speaker 2: of eleven entry. Stop it, stop, stop trying to stop

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Speaker 2: trying to make this a negative. I'm trying to make

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Speaker 2: it a positive with me right now as Darcy Watergrave

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Speaker 7: And I'm a positive. Am I fantastic? Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're welcome. So we've got three medals last night?

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Speaker 2: How good?

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Speaker 7: Ah, very good watching the rowing, watching Lisa Carrington and

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Speaker 7: that K four because they they lagged behind the Germans,

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Speaker 7: they were leading the game for well, the Germans started

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Speaker 7: Karen go not on my watch here she leaned over

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Speaker 7: and said hold my beer and then charged. It was.

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Speaker 7: It was a magnificent race to watch. It really was outstanding.

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Speaker 7: I'm like the joy, the joy, and then so obviously

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Speaker 7: I passed out on the couch. I don't know what time,

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Speaker 7: it was some ridiculous hour and I wake up, bolt

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Speaker 7: upright at seven in the morning. I went, what are

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Speaker 7: my videos? Alessandrado the gold so yeah, starting and let's

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Speaker 7: not forget the Knacker as well with the bronze medal

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Speaker 7: for the Sailors. So it's not all bad. It was

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Speaker 2: Why hasn't the all black scams sold out?

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Speaker 7: Because no one in Wellington has any money?

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon? That's what it is?

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Speaker 7: Evening, you'll have a mullet and near funga before you

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Speaker 2: Hey what, I don't even know what? Sometimes I don't

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Speaker 1: Duplicy Ellen cutting through the noise to get the facts.

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Speaker 2: Hey, So the jury and the Polkinghorn murder trial have

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Speaker 2: very shortly. Heither, what do people think the outcome is

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Speaker 2: mean it's like this everywhere now, isn't it. You could

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Speaker 1: Next hard questions, strong opinion ever duper see Ellen drive

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: Dan Minchenson is standing by out of the US plenty

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Speaker 2: Earlier this week we got a text suggesting that we

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Speaker 1: It's the World Wires on newstalks'd be.

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Speaker 2: Drive, It's showtime. Donald Trump and Karmala Harris have agreed

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Speaker 7: So I think it's very important that we have them.

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Speaker 2: probably will. Noah Lyles, who's the Olympic champion over one

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Speaker 2: Choice and he's still got bronze. How amazing is that?

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Speaker 2: And millennials, this one's for you. Well, you can now

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Speaker 2: stay in a life sized Polly Pocket House if you

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Speaker 2: and there's also a retro fridge which is filled with snacks.

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Speaker 2: That every nineties kid.

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Speaker 1: Wanted, International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of

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Speaker 2: Dan Mitch's the US correspondents with US. Now, Hey, Dan, Hey,

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Speaker 14: Did you?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 13: No, No, I'll keep going back.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you're really ong.

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Speaker 14: No.

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Speaker 2: I mean, surely, like what was it in the nineties

441
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Speaker 2: would have been like gob stoppers?

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Speaker 13: I honestly don't know.

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Speaker 1: Deterted.

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Speaker 13: Mine is grunge. That's the only thing I can think of.

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Speaker 2: I can't even think what the snacks were back then. Dan, Listen,

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris. I mean, she's taken an eight point lead

447
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Speaker 2: over Donald Trump and new poll that's significant. She wins.

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Speaker 13: I mean, that's huge.

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Speaker 15: I think that's that's that's better than a margin of

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Speaker 15: error right now. And they showed that when you throw

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Speaker 15: in the third party candidate, that she's leading voters fifty

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Speaker 15: percent to Donald Trump's forty two percent. And that's huge

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Speaker 15: compared to what Joe Biden was trailing. Donald Trump, which

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Speaker 15: was something like forty one to forty four percent just

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Speaker 15: a couple of months ago. So I think that this

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Speaker 15: lead is a little bit of a honeymoon phase right now.

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Speaker 15: But the polls showed that this is still going to

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Speaker 15: be a close race. And you know, she's gaining momentum,

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Speaker 15: and not just with the public opinion. I mean, her

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Speaker 15: fundraising has been astronomical.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump made the point that she doesn't want to

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Speaker 2: be interviewed by anybody. Now, why would that be.

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Speaker 15: I think she has a case of biden itis in

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Speaker 15: a way. I don't think she is the best person

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Speaker 15: to string sentences together sometimes in interviews, and we've seen.

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Speaker 13: That quite a bit. And she laughs.

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Speaker 15: She has a very nervous laugh. It's a great laugh,

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Speaker 15: but it just comes at inappropriate times. So I think

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Speaker 15: she's holding off. I think her handlers are holding off.

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Speaker 15: They're trying to ride this wave of positive press that

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Speaker 15: she's received so far.

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Speaker 13: And then we'll kind of see what happens in the

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Speaker 13: coming weeks.

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Speaker 15: But you're right, the press is a little frustrated right

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Speaker 15: now that they can't get some one on one.

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Speaker 11: Time with her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean, look, she's obviously she's riding that

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Speaker 2: honeymoon wave, and that's a very smart thing to do.

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Speaker 2: But at some stage it will wane and she will

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Speaker 2: have to give interviews, won't she.

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Speaker 13: Well, she will because you have to find out where

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Speaker 13: she stands.

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Speaker 2: Are Is she any good at debates?

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Speaker 15: You know what, I can honestly say, I've never really

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Speaker 15: I can't remember the last time she had any debate

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Speaker 15: against anybody. I think it's going to be a little

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Speaker 15: bit more precise than when Donald Trump goes off on

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Speaker 15: his tangents.

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Speaker 13: But I think it's how Trump says things.

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Speaker 15: It always makes him look like he's come out on

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Speaker 15: top of a lot of his debates, even if what

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Speaker 15: he's seen is not factually correct.

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Speaker 2: Now, did you see the video of jd Vance going

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Speaker 2: to the airport on the tarmac and trying to sort

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Speaker 2: of get near Kamala Harris an Air Force two and

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Speaker 2: force her to talk to the media.

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Speaker 15: I thought it looked like a scene out of something

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Speaker 15: like Entourage, the TV show or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Dick when he does stuff like this, I.

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Speaker 15: Don't know why he was trying to do it, except

501
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Speaker 15: that it made for some good TV and it made

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Speaker 15: for a lot of funny memes. I mean, there was

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Speaker 15: no way he was going to get some one on

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Speaker 15: one time with Kamala Harris. Now, I think if this

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Speaker 15: had been twenty years ago, I think that would have

506
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Speaker 15: been a great move. I think it would have been

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Speaker 15: nice to have seen both those candidates shake hands and

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Speaker 15: wish each other the best of luck.

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Speaker 13: But stuff like that just doesn't happen these days.

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Speaker 2: Does it play well for him though, because I think

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Speaker 2: he looks like a bit of a clown, am I

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Speaker 2: being idea?

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Speaker 13: No, No, I think you're right.

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Speaker 15: I think it just looks like something an amateur did

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Speaker 15: and trying to get some face time, and unfortunately the

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Speaker 15: media gave it to him.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Hey, okay, so talk to me about why

518
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Speaker 2: we need to tell time on the Moon and what

519
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Speaker 2: the complications are. What's going on here, apparently.

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Speaker 15: The Moon because there's this there's less gravity on the

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Speaker 15: Moon th there's here on Earth. Things move a little

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Speaker 15: more quickly, just a microseconds every day compared with Earth.

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Speaker 15: So by getting this time system down that NASA wants

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Speaker 15: to do with international agencies around the world, they want

525
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Speaker 15: to establish what they're calling a Moon centric time reference system.

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Speaker 15: And you think, well, what big, I mean, that's like

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Speaker 15: when we moved clocks at whatever we do every four

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Speaker 15: years because of leap here, right, But this would provide

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Speaker 15: time keeping benchmarks for spacecraft and satellites that are up there,

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Speaker 15: and landings and data transfers, so a lot more things

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Speaker 15: than we kind of give it credit for. And I

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Speaker 15: think that's why they're trying to synchronize everything so everybody's

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Speaker 15: sort of on the same plane.

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Speaker 2: Hey, have you watched this video cam? The body can

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Speaker 2: off the.

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Speaker 15: Half and it was a lot more telling than I

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Speaker 15: was expecting to. You can see the officer being lifted

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Speaker 15: up by what you can see quite a few officers going.

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Speaker 15: I mean, it was like an episode of Cops almost,

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Speaker 15: As he's struggling to to hoist himself up and he

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Speaker 15: looks over the edge of the roof and he can

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Speaker 15: see the shooter. And then he gets back down on

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Speaker 15: the ground and he's warning fellow officers about what's going on.

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Speaker 15: And then seconds later you see the shooter open fire

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Speaker 15: at the former president's rally. In the next moment, you

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Speaker 15: see the gunman dead within seconds of his first shot.

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Speaker 15: And I think this is giving a lot of I

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Speaker 15: don't want to see evidence necessarily, but it's certainly opening

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Speaker 15: a lot of eyes to what happened during that time

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Speaker 15: and giving some credibility to why the Secret Service is

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Speaker 15: having to answer all.

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Speaker 13: These questions interesting about how that guy got up there

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Speaker 13: and what he did.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Dan, I really appreciate it. Go and enjoy

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Speaker 2: your weekend. That's Dan Mitchinson, now US correspondent. Okay, here

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Speaker 2: are some nineties lollies and you will remember these, do

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Speaker 2: you remember? Nerds used to buy them. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you still can get them, but you used to

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Speaker 2: buy them in a little box that was round about

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Speaker 2: the size of a packet of Sigies, maybe just slightly

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Speaker 2: smaller than a packet of Siggies, and it was divided

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Speaker 2: in half, the cawdbo box. You'd have these little like

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Speaker 2: sliding things on either side where you could open one

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Speaker 2: hole on one side and one hole on the other side,

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Speaker 2: and each half so the half of each box was

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Speaker 2: full of a different flavor of these little like tiny,

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Speaker 2: like little granular pieces of candy that were a little

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Speaker 2: bit sour and poppy, and they were called nerds. So

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Speaker 2: you'd have the orange ones on one side and the

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Speaker 2: pink ones on the other side. They were my favorites.

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Speaker 2: I think was the mixture of orange and pink. Bubble tape.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember that you used to get Hubba Bubba?

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Speaker 2: Remember Hubba Bubba was the chewing gum which had sort

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Speaker 2: of like a it would have two different flavors, would

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Speaker 2: be two different colors. It was really intense and full on,

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Speaker 2: very flexible for the blowing and stuff. And then you

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Speaker 2: could buy the Hubba Bubba bubble tape, which was basically

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Speaker 2: chewing gum in a in a in a tape form

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Speaker 2: like basically it looked like a like a builder's tape. Warheads.

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Speaker 2: Remember the warheads? Do you remember the warheads? Warheads were

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Speaker 2: little candies that came in there individually wrapped and they

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Speaker 2: had a little head on the front like there was

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Speaker 2: the picture, and they were sour. And that was the

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Speaker 2: point was that it was like it was an intense

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Speaker 2: experience to be sucking on those lollies. So, yeah, you

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Speaker 2: go to the polypocket house to help yourself to a

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Speaker 2: whole bunch of this really delicious and nutritious snack time.

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Speaker 2: Barry Soaper's next fourteen away from five.

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Speaker 1: Politics was centrics credit check your customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 2: By senior political correspondence with US Now hy Berry, Good.

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Speaker 7: Afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 16: Do you know you know when you were mentioning lollies

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Speaker 16: that you remembered as a kid. I remember lollies, and

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Speaker 16: I'm sure some of your listeners may, and it probably

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Speaker 16: shows my age. Called smokers. They were little pink lollies.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and we used to low aniseed flavor.

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Speaker 16: Uh well, no, they were more sweet than aniseed, don't

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Speaker 16: they reckon?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I reckon they were aniseed nine nineteen about I

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Speaker 2: reckon they were hard out anisseed.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, they were great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. They's sort of like like I don't really know

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Speaker 2: how you said like that. They weren't that big gay.

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Speaker 2: They were like the size of any little dollies. Yeah, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Did you see that the Maori party is boycotting the Herald?

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Speaker 16: Well, you know, a party that commands about one point

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Speaker 16: to three or one point five percent of the vote,

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Speaker 16: I would think would corner all the publicity than it

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Speaker 16: can possibly do. But their Herald two days ago ran

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Speaker 16: a full front page advertisement from Hobson's pledge talking about

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Speaker 16: the foreshot on seabed.

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Speaker 7: Much of it is.

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Speaker 16: Being challenged at the moment in the courts. So the

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Speaker 16: Maldi party because they ran because the Herald ran. What

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Speaker 16: you'd say, in a democracy, you should be able to

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Speaker 16: run an add they've decided, no, we're going to turn

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Speaker 16: our backs on their herald. They've already done that with

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Speaker 16: News Talk zeb. Anyway, this party is going to end

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Speaker 16: up not being able to talk to anyone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but doesn't matter because they are able to go

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Speaker 2: over the heads of all the media and talk to

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Speaker 2: social media and that's where their strength lies.

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Speaker 16: Well, they haven't got a lot of strength out there

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Speaker 16: in the electorate other than the Maldy seats. So if

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Speaker 16: they can maintain their presence in the Maldi seats, good luck.

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Speaker 2: And they're being reasonable as per usual, demanding a written

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Speaker 2: apology to in all publications and voice it on all

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Speaker 2: radio frequencies. As her. What are the politicians saying about

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Speaker 2: the energy crist Well, you know.

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Speaker 16: It's interesting that it was led by Shane Jones of

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Speaker 16: course this week Regional Development, him issuing a warning to

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Speaker 16: the electricity generators saying if they didn't sort it out,

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Speaker 16: then the government would step in and do so. Well,

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Speaker 16: I'm not quite sure what the government would do. But

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Speaker 16: Nikola willis she followed up, she said inquiries were being made.

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Speaker 16: Simmian Brown, Well, he says the electricity generators, he met

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Speaker 16: with them this week and he left us saying that

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Speaker 16: we need to have assurances that we're going to see

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Speaker 16: a competitive market.

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Speaker 17: Now.

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Speaker 16: Winston Peters went as he's wont to do a step further,

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Speaker 16: essentially accusing the generators of anti competitive behavior. I'm not

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Speaker 16: quite sure what they expect the generators to do other

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Speaker 16: than I guess cut their profit. So he said they're

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Speaker 16: profiteering on the backs of people that have to pay

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Speaker 16: their power bills. The end of this should result, and

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Speaker 16: it won't in Labor coming to the table and saying, look,

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Speaker 16: we banned gas exploration, oil exploration. We should allow the

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Speaker 16: government and support it in lifting that pan, because you know,

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Speaker 16: these are areas that New Zealand should be exploring for.

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Speaker 16: But it was interesting and I went back to have

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Speaker 16: a look at when that band was announced, and I

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Speaker 16: remember it was announced without any consultation with the sector itself.

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Speaker 16: Meghan Woods and Jason durn simply came out standing on

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Speaker 16: the stage with them at the time, and I've got

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Speaker 16: to say, in fairness, looking rather uncomfortable. There was Jasinda

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Speaker 16: Dern taking the microphone, Meghan Wood standing looking satisfied off

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Speaker 16: to the side, and James Sure on the other side, and.

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Speaker 7: In the back Joe with his.

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Speaker 2: Hand across his face.

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Speaker 16: He still got up there and still was part of

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Speaker 16: that announcement.

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Speaker 2: Barry, you are right. The smokers lollies were sweeter than anisey.

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Speaker 2: They were in fact a musk flavor according to a

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Speaker 2: lot of textures. And you will be pleased to know that,

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Speaker 2: according to this text they've still got them in their

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Speaker 2: car permanently. They stock them at the local countdown all Worths.

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Speaker 16: Oh goodness, I must go and buy some now. I

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Speaker 16: didn't think they are They still called smokers.

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Speaker 2: Big weekend ahead for Barry. Thank you, Barry, appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: We'll wrap the political week work was with you quarter

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Speaker 2: Pastics or thereabouts. Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent, putting the.

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Speaker 1: Tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast, is.

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Speaker 10: Your minister Syme and Browns with us?

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Speaker 8: When will we know that? Alan Jee?

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Speaker 18: Well, we've got a piece of work underway at the

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Speaker 18: moment around there, but there's some pretty key decisions that

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Speaker 18: need to be made.

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Speaker 13: What about and I know what the.

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Speaker 10: Power companies will say, especially the gent Taylors. When Onslow

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Speaker 10: was on the scene, they didn't see the need to

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Speaker 10: invest in any more capacity.

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Speaker 13: Is that a fair argum or not?

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Speaker 18: Or there was an absolutely fair argument at the time,

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Speaker 18: but we've taken that off the table. We've made it

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Speaker 18: very clear that we're not going to be building a

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Speaker 18: big mess of Onslow. But at the same time, we

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Speaker 18: need to see these guys investing.

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Speaker 10: Why would they they're making money like this no tomorrow.

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Speaker 18: Well, ultimately that's why we also need to make it

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Speaker 18: easy for other people to enter the market too, and

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Speaker 18: that's what Fasstrack's all about.

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Speaker 10: Back Monday from six am the mic asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 10: the Rain drove of the last news talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: So it doesn't look like well, it seems that there

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Speaker 2: may be some dud medals out there, or maybe all

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Speaker 2: of the medals duds. We don't know, but there are

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Speaker 2: some questions around the quality of the medals that are

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Speaker 2: being handed out at the Olympics at the moment. Because

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Speaker 2: there's a young one who's a skateboarder from American Niger, Houston,

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Speaker 2: and he got himself the bronze medal in skateboarding, and he,

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Speaker 2: I mean like literally got it days ago, and he's

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Speaker 2: put up a picture on social media and the thing

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Speaker 2: looks like it was made in like nineteen seventy nine.

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Speaker 2: It's all chipped and degraded, and it genuinely does not

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Speaker 2: look like a brand new medal. So there are questions

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Speaker 2: around what on earth is going on here because there

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Speaker 2: are some rules around actually the men content and stuff

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Speaker 2: within the metals. Anyway, Ian Ferguson is going to be

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Speaker 2: with us in twenty minutes time. We'll see how his

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Speaker 2: medals are holding up all these years later. But also

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Speaker 2: what I really want to know from him is whether

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Speaker 2: he thinks the K four boys have actually earned their

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Speaker 2: spot like I do. He's more of an expert than me,

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Speaker 2: so that's why we got him and not just me

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Speaker 2: ranting on for three minutes about it. Here is the

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Speaker 2: argument for why the Anglicans should not have to pay

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Speaker 2: for the christ Church Cathedral rebuild, sent me by Stephen Heather.

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Speaker 2: The Anglicans wanted to replace the cathedral with something else,

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Speaker 2: but the government and the public force them to rebuild

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Speaker 2: the old cathedral. So that's fair, right. That's a bit

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Speaker 2: rough to be like Okay, they don't want it, and

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Speaker 2: then we're like, well halfway through it and we're like, okay,

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Speaker 2: maybe you've got to pay the sixty eighty five million

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Speaker 2: whatever it is. However, it shouldn't be us either, just

726
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Speaker 2: because it shouldn't be there. It shouldn't be us the taxpayer,

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Speaker 2: so somebody else is going to have to find the

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Speaker 2: money somewhere. Anyway, we'll have a chat to christ Church

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Speaker 2: City councilor tim scandret about it very shortly. But next up,

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Speaker 2: let's talk to pan Pack and find out what the

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Speaker 2: hell is going on with their mills as well. Now,

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Speaker 2: News Talks EB.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers by the backs and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather Do to thee Alum Drive with One New Zealand

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Speaker 1: let's get connected a news talk as z B.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon. Will the issues with the country's power keep on coming?

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Speaker 2: Another mill is shuttered. This time it's Pan Packs pulp

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Speaker 2: mill near Napier, which has stopped production until power prices

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Speaker 2: fall again. It says the energy crisis has become so

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Speaker 2: bad now, but it's actually cheaper to stop working rather

742
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Speaker 2: than produce at a loss. Pan PAC's managing director is

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Speaker 2: Tony Clifford.

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Speaker 1: Hay Tony, Hello, Heather, how long do.

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Speaker 2: You expect you'll have to keep this production on Holt for?

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Speaker 19: Oh, that's a very good question, you know. I just

747
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Speaker 19: want to emphasize it with pm PEP. We've still got

748
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Speaker 19: our forestry and lumber business running at one hundred percent,

749
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Speaker 19: but it's the energy intensive side of our business. So

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Speaker 19: it's making mechanical pulp that we've had to halt since Saturday.

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Speaker 19: Power prices went through the roof on Saturday, and we

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Speaker 19: just cannot generate profit when prices are as they are.

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Speaker 19: But how long, I've said to my staff there's a

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Speaker 19: couple of things that had to happen. Either it has

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Speaker 19: to rain a lot in the South Island in the

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Speaker 19: hydroc catchment areas, or we have to have the commercial

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Speaker 19: operation of the Tihara plant in Toppol come online, where

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Speaker 19: we have a power purchasing agreement with that company and

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Speaker 19: currently they are experiencing problems. And so yeah, we're at

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Speaker 19: the moment one hundred feet exposed to the also electricity market.

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon? What's your outlook? I mean, Winston's

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Speaker 2: talking about being downing tools for two weeks. Are you

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Speaker 2: guys looking at a similar kind of.

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Speaker 19: Period, It's at least two weeks. You know, we expecting

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Speaker 19: Tahar potentially can't come online until October, and you know

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Speaker 19: maybe in that time two months, yes, and then we're

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Speaker 19: talking here. The point I may deal with ministers in

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Speaker 19: our meeting on Wednesday that this is just not a

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Speaker 19: pen pack issue. This is all energy intensive and particularly

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Speaker 19: energy intensive trade exposed businesses, because there's absolutely no hope

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Speaker 19: that we can pass on escalating power prices through to

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Speaker 19: our customer, our international customer. We're competing against supplies from

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Speaker 19: all around the world and they just are not exposed

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Speaker 19: to these type of electricity prices. So the other message

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Speaker 19: I'm really trying to get people get through is that

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Speaker 19: this is not just a one year event. You know,

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Speaker 19: low hydro situations do happen every seven to ten years,

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Speaker 19: but we've been experiencing escalating electricity prices at the wholesale

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Speaker 19: level since twenty eighteen. And what we've got now is

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Speaker 19: a shortage of gas and a shortage of water, and

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Speaker 19: you know, recently shortage of wind and some and those

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Speaker 19: things that will come together to just give exceptionally high

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Speaker 19: spot prices, and yeah, so what we believe it is solvable.

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Speaker 19: This is as it said to people, this is not

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Speaker 19: a This is not like a transmission tower falling over

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Speaker 19: or someone digging up a gas line. Those are hard

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Speaker 19: engineering problems that have to be fixed. This is a

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Speaker 19: market design issue. The way the market works is that

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Speaker 19: the half hour spot price is set by the peak

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Speaker 19: supply price in any one half hour, and the assumption

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Speaker 19: for the market design has been that there is gas

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Speaker 19: and coal available for firming other options under normal conditions,

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Speaker 19: and that that gas supply has just been gradually getting

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Speaker 19: less and less, and that's been putting the price of

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Speaker 19: electricity up more and more. And you know, we've got

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Speaker 19: a probably you know that one of the solutions that

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Speaker 19: could be done temporarily is breaking that connection between the

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Speaker 19: cost of gas and the cost of electricity because there

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Speaker 19: is no ongoing shortage of electricity while it is an

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Speaker 19: ongoing shortage of gas.

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Speaker 2: All right, listen, Tony, is there any possibility that you

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Speaker 2: may in fact shut down some of your production permanently?

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Speaker 19: I would, I would hope not. That's not on my radar.

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Speaker 4: We believe do you believe that the.

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Speaker 2: Gent tailors are price gouging or profitearing.

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Speaker 19: I don't beat up on the generators. The generators are

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Speaker 19: operating their business under the set of rules that are

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Speaker 19: given to them, and that's to maximize this year holding

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Speaker 19: for their for their maximizing profit for their yearholders. To

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Speaker 19: the best of my knowledge, in the last ten years,

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Speaker 19: has only been one generator who've got a bit of

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Speaker 19: a slap on the risk for not for wasting water

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Speaker 19: when it could have been going into generation. But for

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Speaker 19: the most part that hasn't been able to be proven. Again,

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Speaker 19: you know, the market design doesn't encourage lots of general

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Speaker 19: to be brought onto the market, that it does encourage

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Speaker 19: a degree of scarcity, and that that again that has

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Speaker 19: to be reviewed. And the other problem is, you know

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Speaker 19: everyone knows that gestation period to build a power station

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Speaker 19: in New Zealand is measured in years, not months. And

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Speaker 19: so you know, we're not going to fix this problem overnight.

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Speaker 19: It's the short term solution. I believe we have to

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Speaker 19: break this connection between the gas price and electricity price.

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Speaker 19: The long term solution is, you know, we need more generation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally listen, Tony. Thank you very much for your

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Speaker 2: time and best of luck dealing with this it's Tony Clifford,

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Speaker 2: pan PAC's managing.

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Speaker 1: Director Heather do for see Ellen.

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Speaker 2: So it looks like the christ Church Cathedral will be mothballed.

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Speaker 2: The government's decided it's not going to give the rebuild

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Speaker 2: any more money. They wanted another sixty million bucks from

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Speaker 2: the government. This means that they do not have enough

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Speaker 2: money to keep going with the rebuild. Christ Church City

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Speaker 2: councilor Tim Scandret is with us now, hate Tim, thank

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Speaker 2: you have you? Yeah, very well, thank you. See the

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Speaker 2: Council's put money on hold as well.

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Speaker 14: Laye, Well, we've we agreed some time ago to give

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Speaker 14: ten million, so we did three and now we've got seven.

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Speaker 14: And so they have fulfilled all the obligations under that agreement.

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Speaker 14: And so that's that's as far as we'll even agreed,

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Speaker 14: as far as I'm aware.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's the fix? I mean, they've got to find

843
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Speaker 2: eighty five million bucks. Where they going to get it from?

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Speaker 14: Well, if you kind of go bagger into the Church

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Speaker 14: of England. It's a global organization, isn't it. Yeah, I

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Speaker 14: know that, you know in society now we live in

847
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Speaker 14: it now. But I think it took sixty years to

848
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Speaker 14: build it. In the first place, so you know, they

849
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Speaker 14: might have the time up their sleeve.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you. But they didn't want to have

851
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Speaker 2: to rebuild this thing in the first place, right they

852
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Speaker 2: were forced to do.

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Speaker 14: It, Yeah, exactly, And yeah that was totally in their

854
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Speaker 14: kind of fear. And you know, they were unhappy about that.

855
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Speaker 14: But then you could argue that half of them weren't.

856
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Speaker 14: But maybe that that half that weren't unhappy about rebuilding

857
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Speaker 14: it should put their hands in their pockets and find

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Speaker 14: a bit more.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it seems to me they're gonna have to

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Speaker 2: crowdfund this one. Put up a give a little page

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Speaker 2: or something.

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Speaker 14: Well, yeah, good luck.

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Speaker 2: I mean, could they actually sell something to fund it?

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Speaker 2: I mean, if they didn't really want to have to

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Speaker 2: rebuild it, could they just sell it?

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Speaker 14: Well, they've got property around the place, and you know,

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Speaker 14: maybe there's a deal deer, and if they came to

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Speaker 14: us with some options, if it's in the best interest

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Speaker 14: of the rate pass, maybe there could be a deal

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Speaker 14: deal with some of the areas I've got. But that's

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Speaker 14: you know that that hasn't happened yet. I think they

872
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Speaker 14: just really found out that the government said no. So

873
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 14: I'm sure that they're having a few discussions around the

874
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Speaker 14: table the.

875
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Speaker 2: Senate, Tim, thank you very much, really appreciated. Tim Scandret,

876
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 2: who is a christ You City councilor yeah, maybe that

877
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: metal was dropped in the seane probably listen and by

878
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: the way, we are going to talk to Ian Ferguson

879
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 2: about that. Next more bad news on the electricity. So

880
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: this is going to hit you potentially. This is where

881
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 2: it starts getting a bit curly for us. There's one

882
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: thing to be talking about meals shutting down and ask going, ah,

883
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: it's other people's jobs, don't care? What about when it's

884
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 2: coming at Yeah, we're being warned about possible power cuts

885
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: in the spring. Transpower right now is starting to prepare

886
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: what they call an official conservation campaign, so you know,

887
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: little South Africa styles a little bit, you know, you know,

888
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: stop using the electricity at hard times. It says, without action,

889
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: there would be an unacceptably high risk of both energy

890
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 2: shortages and capacity shortfall, which just basically means power cuts

891
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 2: during peak times. The risk that they've identified is that

892
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: at the moment we are running the hell out of

893
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,959
Speaker 2: our gas and coal turbines. They are running so hard

894
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: right now, and because they're running so hard it means

895
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Speaker 2: that we're at increased risk of a piece of equipment failing.

896
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: And if a piece of equipment fails, we're in trouble.

897
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902
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904
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909
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916
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Speaker 1: Togever do for Cea Ellens Heather.

917
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: Maybe we could have some carless days for the electric

918
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: bikes like we did back Maybe we need to do it.

919
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 2: Maybe we could have like drier less days, you know,

920
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 2: or maybe like I don't know, dishwasherless days. So we could,

921
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: you know, not have a power crisis. I don't know.

922
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: It's all kinds of things we can do. Back to

923
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies, we go nineteen past five. Now, apparently

924
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 2: the medals at this year's Olympics aren't that flash because

925
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 2: a skateboarder from the US has criticized the quality of

926
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 2: his bronze metal. It started to to chip only a

927
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: week after he wanted. It's already losing the bronze color.

928
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 2: Former canoeist and Olympian Ian Ferguson.

929
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Speaker 4: Is with us.

930
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Speaker 1: Hey, Ian, Hi, here the hell are you?

931
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Speaker 2: I'm well, thank you? That's not on, is it? If

932
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 2: you go and win yourself a bronze that should stay

933
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Speaker 2: in good nick for years?

934
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Speaker 4: No, I just heard about this.

935
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Speaker 6: Mine, mine's forty years old my ones, and they're all

936
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 6: just exactly the same as the day they made, but

937
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 6: you know they are made differently. They've solid silver gold

938
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 6: plated with a decent coating of gold on them. Yeah,

939
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 6: so that's yeah, it's terrible. And it was I was

940
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 6: looking at them thinking that they look fantastic with a

941
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 6: bit of the Eiffel Tower on there. But now I'm

942
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 6: starting to wonder where they get that bit of metal

943
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 6: off the Eiffel Tar that they didn't undo the bolts

944
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 6: at the bottom, did they.

945
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 20: Tower?

946
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: Do you reckon? We exported some of the Northland boys

947
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 2: to help them out with the medals. Yeah, I mean,

948
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 2: you know what is possible as well as he did

949
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: say that he wore it over the weekend and his

950
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 2: mates wore it over the weekend. And young people nowadays

951
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: can party quite hard. A they might have partied the

952
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 2: bronze off.

953
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Speaker 14: Oh yeah, yeah they possibly did.

954
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Speaker 6: Don't know what alcohol they're spilling all over it.

955
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Speaker 2: It's even just the whole judging by what's going on

956
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Speaker 2: with the hockey team. Hey, I have a question for you.

957
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: Do you think that the K four boys have redeemed

958
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 2: themselves and proved that in fact, the C two stunt

959
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 2: was worth it.

960
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, I do actually, because it wasn't the stunt it was.

961
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 6: It was you know, it was to us it seemed

962
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 6: like it and it was very, very embarrassing. But they

963
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 6: they obviously knew they had a you know, they were

964
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 6: a good team, which they show finally showed in the end,

965
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 6: but they wanted to get there, and yeah, it's it

966
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 6: was the wrong way to do it. I got it, mate,

967
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 6: But now that it's done, I think we just forget

968
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 6: it and go right. We've got a good team coming

969
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 6: on because they're all young, and yeah, they've got to

970
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 6: put up without a embarrassing race they had to do

971
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 6: and let them go and go on from there.

972
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: You know.

973
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 6: It's a matter of getting them interested in the Olympics

974
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Speaker 6: and getting that drive from them. And yeah, I think

975
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 6: this has taught them a lesson and they'll they'll come

976
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 6: out strong before it.

977
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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, and I totally agree with you. Thank you

978
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: so much, mate, Enjoy your weekend. That's Ian Ferguson, former

979
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 2: canoeist and olympian Banks. He's done another mural. This is

980
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: the fourth fourth one that Bank ban because he hasn't

981
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: been doing a little bit for a while. All of

982
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Speaker 2: a sudden he's doing four animals, fourth in four days.

983
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 2: It's already been licked though, isn't it? Because he did

984
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: a wolf howling towards the sky and didn't think it through,

985
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Speaker 2: did he. He did it on a satellite dish on

986
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Speaker 2: top of a building in southeast London and within hours

987
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 2: someone nicked the satellite dish and I am I am

988
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 2: not joking. There are photographs online of the guy knicking

989
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 2: the dish, like literally you can go and look at

990
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: the guy and knicking the Banksy, which is like I

991
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 2: would have nicked it too, because that would be very

992
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 2: very expensive. Now he's got he's onto something very valuable.

993
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 2: He's gone to an extreme length. He's got himself a

994
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: balaclav It looks like properly like a thief. So anyway,

995
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 2: god on him, Banksy next time. Make sure it is

996
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 2: like properly bolted down, like just part of the part

997
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: of the building, maybe not even bolted down. Four twenty three.

998
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither duper clan

999
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and used dogs.

1000
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: That'd be either if you've ever owned a French car.

1001
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 2: You'll understand what's wrong with those medals. That is fair,

1002
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 2: That is fair. My brother owns a French car right now.

1003
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: And because jeep is now run by the French, and

1004
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: let's just say it's not the old quality of the jeep.

1005
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 2: Is it just falling apart? Twenty five past five now

1006
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: Palastal City Council has just done me a mass of favor.

1007
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: They won't think that, but they have. They've voted to

1008
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: keep the Maori ward, but then they've called in the

1009
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: lawyers to find out what will happen if they just

1010
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: ignore the law and don't hold the referendum on it.

1011
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: And obviously it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure

1012
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: out why they've done this, right, you can probably safely

1013
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 2: assume it's because they want the Maori ward. But they

1014
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: know that if they take it to a referendum, the

1015
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: people of Parmeston North may well vote against it and

1016
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: then the council will have to give up their Maori ward.

1017
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 2: So no referendum they want. Right, they're wasting their money

1018
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: on the lawyers obviously because it's the law, and the

1019
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 2: law says they have to go to a referendum and

1020
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: give the people a say, And what's going to happen

1021
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: here is the lawyers are just going to take their

1022
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 2: money and say, nah, you got to do the referendums anyway.

1023
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 2: Good like wasting the people's money. But by doing this,

1024
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: Palmeston North has done me a mass of favor because

1025
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 2: they've proved the point that I have been trying to

1026
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: make for ages, which is that this debate is actually

1027
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: about democracy. If the people of Parmeston North want a

1028
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 2: Maori Maori ward, then let them vote for it. But

1029
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 2: if the people of Parmeston North don't want a Marori woard,

1030
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 2: then the war then the council cannot and should not

1031
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: force it on them by denying them the right to

1032
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 2: vote on it. Right, most local body voters don't seem

1033
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: to want this, just judging by past votes on it.

1034
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 2: They seem to throw it out every single time. And

1035
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 2: my problem, and look to be fair, it's not just

1036
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 2: my problem, plenty of other people's problem as well. Is

1037
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 2: Nanaimahuta took that referendum say away from local body voters.

1038
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 2: She explicitly removed the right to actually say no in

1039
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 2: a referendum. She took the democracy away. She forced on

1040
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: people something that they may not want, and, judging by history,

1041
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 2: something they probably don't want because apparently democracy just doesn't

1042
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 2: work for her anymore. So thank you to Parmeston or

1043
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: City Council for so transparently trying to circumvent that democracy

1044
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 2: and the law, because they have just become the example

1045
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 2: of exactly the thing that we said was wrong with

1046
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 2: Nanaia's marty Ward system.

1047
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 13: So thank you, Heather duper cl Okay, So the.

1048
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 2: Situation with the art tete, I'm still if Kiwi Railer's listening,

1049
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 2: I'm just still nothing in the mbox yep, still waiting.

1050
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 2: Have been waiting for a little while, so we'll just

1051
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: keep waiting.

1052
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 14: I have been.

1053
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 2: Someone has reached out to tell us to try to

1054
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 2: explain a little bit of what sime and Brown said

1055
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: last night. And Simi and Brown said, maybe what happened

1056
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 2: with the vessel is that they entered the coursing correctly.

1057
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 2: Now I immediately assumed that that meant that they had

1058
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 2: like input the coordinates into the computer incorrectly. That's not

1059
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 2: what happened. What they mean is the course in order

1060
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 2: to birth was entered incorrectly, like like kind of like

1061
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: if you park and your driveway is the course to

1062
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: park and you basically they drove it into the What

1063
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: it means is they drove the boat into the into

1064
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: the port, so they entered the course incorrectly.

1065
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 5: Ah, that explains how the boat ended up in the port.

1066
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 2: Header. Yeah, it does explain that they drove it in. Yes,

1067
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 2: quite simple. The second thing is that we so we've

1068
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: sent Cheryl an email and we said, Cheryl can you

1069
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 2: can you just come back to us on whether you

1070
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 2: people stand by the fact that there was wind high

1071
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 2: gusts were still waiting, so we're not sure, but Troy

1072
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: the lawyers with us next on that.

1073
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: The day's newsmakers talked to Heather first, Heather Duplicy allan

1074
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and news

1075
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: talk Z be.

1076
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 8: The double shade of Western.

1077
00:49:55,360 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: There's a party downtown. Everybody had bindt but.

1078
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 2: We have got the sports had all standing by and

1079
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,959
Speaker 2: then Wayne Brown after six o'clock. Wayne Brown's fund finally

1080
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: coming from for Auckland Transport. He wants to take all

1081
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 2: the power away from them, make them more accountable, and

1082
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 2: I would too because I do. I need to remind

1083
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 2: you how stink Auckland Transport are at the jobs. It's

1084
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 2: a surprise because when we took the transport stuff in

1085
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 2: Auckland away from the politicians and gave it to the experts,

1086
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 2: I think we were like few at least these people

1087
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: know what they're doing, and yet they don't because they

1088
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 2: go build a raised pedestrian crossing in the Three Kings

1089
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 2: and then they rip it out and then they reinstate

1090
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 2: the road and we're six hundred thousand dollars worse off

1091
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 2: for that because they did that anyway, So he's quite

1092
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 2: right to come for them. We'll have a chat to

1093
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 2: him after six stand by twenty three away.

1094
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: From hither Duplessy out.

1095
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: So keep Rail is still not saying exactly why the

1096
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: outer teddy crashed into a drawbridge in Wellington Harbor yesterday.

1097
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,919
Speaker 2: They tried to blame the wind and then we found

1098
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 2: out there was absolutely no wind in the city at

1099
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 2: the time. So what is that Troy stayed is a

1100
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 2: maritime law acting for some of the crew on board

1101
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 2: and with us hate Troy.

1102
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 21: How are you?

1103
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you. So what happened this time?

1104
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 21: So well, I mean that's it's been a little over

1105
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 21: twenty four hours, so we've only just ourselves really gotten

1106
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 21: engaged with the matter. It's it's I know that's an

1107
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 21: answer you guys hate to hear, but it is. It's

1108
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 21: under an active investigation. So we're still trying to have

1109
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 21: you not spoken about correct as well. I've spoken to

1110
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 21: one of them.

1111
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 2: Is it the one who was steering the boat?

1112
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 21: He was involved in the in the deck? Absolute?

1113
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:34,720
Speaker 2: What did he say? Happened?

1114
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 21: Just a series of factors with the wind being a

1115
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 21: driver seems to be what when the likely one? But

1116
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 21: I mean, are you in Wellington?

1117
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 17: I'm not in Wellington, but looking at see looking at

1118
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 17: the met Service for yesterday, it looks like gusts of

1119
00:51:55,120 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 17: up to seventy two kph about three pm Yesterday's.

1120
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: Where is that?

1121
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 20: Kelburn?

1122
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: I believe Kelburn okay, because we've had like, honestly, Troy yesterday,

1123
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 2: we had texts from everybody, including speaking to a city council.

1124
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 2: He was like, no, there's no wind out there, eight

1125
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: miles per hour like nothing. It was still the harbor

1126
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 2: was glassy. Where does Surely if there's a wind that's

1127
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,439
Speaker 2: big enough, like a gust that's big enough to push

1128
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 2: a ship into a drawbridge, it's got to be a

1129
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 2: biggish one.

1130
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: Doesn't it.

1131
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 21: Yeah, yeah, I mean again, that's that's the fact that

1132
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 21: we're investigating. I would just say, you know, a vessel

1133
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 21: of that size, if it does get hit by a

1134
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 21: by wind, you know, alongside broadside, that the effect of

1135
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 21: that will be increased significantly.

1136
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 4: Okay's with a sail.

1137
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 21: But I'd just also like to point out, you know,

1138
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 21: it's a relief that no one was injured. I understand

1139
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 21: the passengers were able to leave the vessel about an

1140
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 21: hour after the event, So it's that's a great relation

1141
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 21: to everyone involved that it wasn't as bad as perhaps

1142
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 21: it may have otherwise have been.

1143
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 2: So Troy, how are the crew feeling about this, because, yeah,

1144
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 2: their reputations don't don't feel awesome at the moment.

1145
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 21: Yeah, And you know, obviously we're acting for the crew,

1146
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 21: so their their interests are first and foremost in our minds.

1147
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 21: There are concerns speaking with the crew, there are concerns

1148
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 21: just generally about how how things have gone over the

1149
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 21: last couple of months.

1150
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 14: I mean, it's you know, I.

1151
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 21: Will allow you to to draw whatever inferences you like

1152
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 21: from that, but we're just advocate for the interests of

1153
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 21: the crew.

1154
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: Was the same crew who were on board when they

1155
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 2: drove it into the beach.

1156
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 21: I'm still getting getting a full crew list there, but

1157
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 21: I believe not.

1158
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 2: Oh so the guy that you spoke to about this

1159
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 2: incident was on it last time, I don't believe.

1160
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 8: So.

1161
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 2: Okay, well, thank god, Although on the that's on on

1162
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 2: the bad side, it does mean that we have lots

1163
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 2: of crew who are doing this rather.

1164
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 13: Than just a few.

1165
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 21: Well, as I said, the investigations ongoing, so it's it's

1166
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 21: a little soon for us to jump to conclusions as

1167
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 21: to crewe involvement in the event. But hopefully, you know,

1168
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 21: as the investigation got carries on and more facts come

1169
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 21: to light, we'll.

1170
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 13: Get into the bottleroy.

1171
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 2: Obviously crew were involved, right, the boat was under manual steering, right.

1172
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 4: That that is true.

1173
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 21: You know, obviously at that point there was a hand

1174
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 21: steering issue.

1175
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 2: So it's an entirely scenario that whoever was holding on

1176
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 2: to it, he was steering, just drove it into the drawbadge.

1177
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 21: Again, it's too too soon to come to that conclusion,

1178
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 21: but I suspect that there are a number of external

1179
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 21: factors of player as well, like which.

1180
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 2: Don't say wind, what else weather? Oh, stop it, okay, Troy,

1181
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 2: that breeze all right, Troy, thank you very much, Troy

1182
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,959
Speaker 2: stayed maritime lawyer. There wasn't any wind, but we thought

1183
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 2: there was because it's Wellington, right, so we bought that

1184
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 2: for a minute. Eighteen away from six.

1185
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: The Friday sports Huddle with New Zealand Southeast International Realty,

1186
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,840
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1187
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 21: And there it is Michael Wilkinson Erica Dawson crossed the line.

1188
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: It's another medal.

1189
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,439
Speaker 17: The New Zealand's off mar Saint at Paris twenty twenty four.

1190
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: The black boat keeping its nose in front of Germany.

1191
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 16: They can see the finish line.

1192
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 2: It is gold for New Zealand.

1193
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 5: Gold at Lease Andrews intense insightsive invincible.

1194
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 16: Max Brown and Grant Clancy. They have finished last.

1195
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 10: They were so far behind the action I lost its

1196
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 10: complete side of.

1197
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 2: Them on the sports title. That's this even who got

1198
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 2: Nicky steyras sports journalists and Jim k sports journalists as well?

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Speaker 2: How are you two, Nikki? Do you reckon? The canoe

1200
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 2: boys have redeemed themselves because they actually didn't do too

1201
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 2: badly in the kayaking.

1202
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 11: Well, look, I'm a fat believer and you play by

1203
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 11: the roles, and they played by the rules, So you know,

1204
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 11: I think that if anyone complains about it, then they

1205
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 11: need to go back and say to you know, the

1206
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 11: canoe organizing body, well, don't allow these loopholes. I think

1207
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 11: what they did was they did vindicate themselves. I mean, yes,

1208
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 11: they got last in the final, but they made an

1209
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 11: a final and what they were two seconds of the pace,

1210
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 11: So I think they did vindicate themselves. But I can

1211
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 11: sort of understand why people are a little bit upset

1212
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 11: about it, particularly since they obviously targeted that cape or

1213
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 11: group and you know, I k one guy and this

1214
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 11: is out who potentially could have gone to the Olympics

1215
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,879
Speaker 11: and done well. So yeah, that's a tricky one.

1216
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, m what do you reckon of that?

1217
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 20: No, it doesn't sit very well for me. I don't

1218
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 20: think it's really TV way. If if there's such a thing,

1219
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 20: you know, it's up there with Eric the Eel, it

1220
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 20: is the eagle. I think they I think they embarrassed.

1221
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 4: Themselves on these two examples.

1222
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 2: You know, these two examples that you've cited are people

1223
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 2: who are actually doing crappily as they chosen one.

1224
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 20: Right, actually did Okay, look I don't blame the athlete.

1225
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 20: I blame Canoe New Zealand. I think they deliberately exploited

1226
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 20: the loophole on the Rulls to get an extra boat

1227
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 20: to the Olympics. And it just doesn't sit very well either.

1228
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 20: He came out, you know, opinion, I'm giving it, I'm right,

1229
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 20: or you're right. I'm just giving back.

1230
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 2: We're loving your opinion. But then we're laughing at your opinion.

1231
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 20: But that's okay, laugh at my opinion too, because I

1232
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:53,959
Speaker 20: laughed at yours.

1233
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 11: I'll go I'll go live in Australia because that's how

1234
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 11: the Australians would do it.

1235
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 20: That's right, an underarm to New Zealander. I don't think

1236
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 20: that's the way that we shim sport.

1237
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 2: This is why we need to harden up. I mean,

1238
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 2: we're always talking about how we play fair and stuff

1239
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 2: and we don't sledge and all that kind of nonsense.

1240
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 2: But you've got to do what it takes to win.

1241
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 2: And if that's what it takes, they do it.

1242
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 20: Are very different things. I think you're conflating two things

1243
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 20: to come up with one. Okay, to an organization that

1244
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 20: a national body who deliberately set out to.

1245
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 14: Exploit a loophole and the rules.

1246
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 20: I think when you're when you're doing whatever, you play

1247
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 20: as hard as you can to win. Absolutely, But I

1248
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,439
Speaker 20: don't think it's a good look for a national body

1249
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 20: to do what they did.

1250
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 2: Okay, alrighty, hey listen Nikki on how we're going to

1251
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 2: perceive these Olympics. Right, They've had quite a few problems.

1252
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 2: You've got the model metals degrading. You've got the overcrowded village,

1253
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 2: the lack of air conditioning, the food poisoning making the

1254
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 2: people swim and pooh rivers. Are we going to look

1255
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 2: back at this and go there was a shambles or

1256
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 2: are they all just a shambles and we forget about

1257
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 2: that over time?

1258
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 11: Look, I think they're all the shambles. I think you've

1259
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 11: got to remember you've got, you know, over ten thousand athletes.

1260
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 11: They're all crammed in a village, a lot of them

1261
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 11: where it's basically a scientific Petrie dish. You know you're

1262
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 11: going to catch things, you're going to get food poisoning,

1263
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 11: and you're putting out sixty thousand meals each day. What

1264
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 11: I do have a problem with is won the medals,

1265
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 11: because that is your everlasting treasure from something you worked

1266
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 11: incredibly hard for, and I think it's not acceptable that

1267
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 11: they are deteriorating. And the other thing is the saying, well,

1268
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 11: you know, it's been illegal to simon that thing for

1269
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 11: over one hundred years, so it was never really a

1270
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 11: good look to let them in there. Of course, we

1271
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 11: know why they did it, because you know, it's all

1272
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 11: about optics and you want them, you know, you want

1273
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 11: to be showing powers to the world, and that was

1274
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 11: the way to do that. Unfortunately they did it at

1275
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 11: the peril of the athletes, which I don't really agree with.

1276
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 11: But on the whole, I don't think we will look

1277
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 11: back at it as the shambles.

1278
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, I want your take on it. We'll get

1279
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 2: it very shortly fourteen away from six.

1280
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty,

1281
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1282
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Speaker 2: Back with the Huddle, Jim Kay's and Nicky Styrus, Right, Jim,

1283
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 2: what do you reckon? Are these Olympics particularly as shambles

1284
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 2: or just the standard level of shambles?

1285
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 20: Yeah, I think you're a standard level. I did agree

1286
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 20: with most of what Nicky said there, you know, like, yeah,

1287
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 20: the river saying it is disgusting and I wouldn't want

1288
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 20: to swimming it and it looked revolting as they every

1289
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 20: time they dived in. But you know, people get sick

1290
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 20: when there's ten thousand of them, and people complain about beds.

1291
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 20: We all complain about a bed when you go to

1292
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 20: hotel room in general. Though, I've really enjoyed it. I've

1293
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 20: you know, watching it on Telly, the smallest port on Sky.

1294
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 20: It's just been it's been awesome, I think, and you know,

1295
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 20: wonderful to see the Kiwi athletes and I think a

1296
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 20: city like Paris on display like that, you know, when

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Speaker 20: you have the trifle and they're cycling down the chans

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Speaker 20: of these and you think wow, you know, and through

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Speaker 20: the entrance and these sorts of things. I think it's fantastic.

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Speaker 20: I still all believe four cities should host the Olympics

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Speaker 20: on a rotational basis and then we just get on

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Speaker 20: with it, you know, keep it to just for cities,

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Speaker 20: and then you don't have all some of the some

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Speaker 20: of these problems that disappear because they'd have the infrastructure,

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Speaker 20: that have the knowledge, they'd have all those sorts of things.

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Speaker 20: So that's what I'd love to see. Imagine if it

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Speaker 20: was Paris and Athens and pick to other places would

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Speaker 20: be awesome.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not a bad idea, is it, Nikki,

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Speaker 2: Because then you wouldn't have to relearn all the lessons

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Speaker 2: every single link in time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: The only problem with that is the cough to run

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Speaker 11: it or the amount of money that you actually gained

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Speaker 11: from it. So you might find that some of the

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Speaker 11: politics might get.

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Speaker 21: Involved in that and that decision and be like, but

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Speaker 21: it do it?

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Speaker 4: We want the tourists, you know.

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Speaker 11: So yeah, that might be a little bit simplistic, but

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Speaker 11: I do and cre what a spectacle that would be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Now, Jim, have you got to the bottom

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Speaker 2: of yourself of whether this Algerian boxer should be boxing

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Speaker 2: against women or not?

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Speaker 20: She's a woman, Yeah, but she's apparently well yeah, but

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Speaker 20: so I've done a lot of reading on it today.

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Speaker 20: She's a woman, she was born a girl, grub to

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Speaker 20: be a woman. Yes, she's got some different genetics. But

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Speaker 20: if we look at athletics, and if you if you

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Speaker 20: look at athletics in a really simple way, lots of

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Speaker 20: people have different genetics. There are tall basketballers, there are

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Speaker 20: fast sprinters.

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Speaker 2: There that's true.

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Speaker 20: That's true, but she has a genetic difference.

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Speaker 2: In your reading gym. Have you got to the bottom

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Speaker 2: of weather an X and a Y chromosome for a

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Speaker 2: woman therefore makes her intersex.

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Speaker 20: Look I think doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Nikki doesn't because that's what.

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Speaker 20: I thought it was.

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Speaker 2: Nik is that what's up here.

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Speaker 20: Transit.

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Speaker 2: But the IOC can be well, that's two different things.

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Speaker 2: IOC can shut up on that. In the minut I

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Speaker 2: want to hear what Nick is?

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Speaker 13: You know?

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Speaker 21: What?

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Speaker 3: Do you know? What I know?

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Speaker 11: I strip it back even further than that, because basically

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Speaker 11: it's not about these boxes. What it's about is the

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Speaker 11: fact that there's not enough facts around it, and it's

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Speaker 11: not enough transfer, and there's not enough information, and there's

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Speaker 11: not enough clear definitive rule. If that was all clear

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Speaker 11: and transparent, then you wouldn't be in this mess. The

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Speaker 11: reason that the problem is is because they don't have

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Speaker 11: the same test, they don't have the same organization deciding

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Speaker 11: watch tests. They're not publishing those tests. So therefore, you know,

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Speaker 11: there's a whole lot of great area that no one

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Speaker 11: knows what's going on. I feel sorry for the boxes

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Speaker 11: because one minute they're told they can't the next minute

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Speaker 11: they're in and then you find out some Russian dude

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Speaker 11: is in charge of the boxing and that's why they

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Speaker 11: got eliminated there. And what they need to do is

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Speaker 11: set out a clear set of rules that's transparent to everybody,

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Speaker 11: and everything is published, so then everybody knows where they stand.

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Speaker 2: Okay, right, I think we've got to the bottom of it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe guys, both of you, thank you so much, go

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Speaker 2: and enjoy the all Blacks this weekend, enjoy the last

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Speaker 2: of the Olympics. I really appreciate your time, Nicky Styrus

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Speaker 2: and Jim k sports journalists, and I'm gonna just let's

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Speaker 2: get back to this because I think Nicky's just touched

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Speaker 2: on something really important there seven away from six on your.

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Speaker 1: Smart speaker, iHeart app and in your car on your

1374
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: drive home Heather Duplic Allen drive with one New Zealand

1375
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: one giant leap for business used talk as that.

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Speaker 2: Be Okay, what's the time? Five away from six? So

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Speaker 2: I think Nicky was onto something here. Okay, if you

1378
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Speaker 2: read about this there is well, let's cut to the chase. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So DSD is like a syndrome, a sex difference like

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Speaker 2: some people have some sex differences. Okay, so if you

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Speaker 2: have an X and Y chromosome and you're not a man,

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Speaker 2: what you could also be is an intersex person. Now intersex,

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Speaker 2: like that's what we back in the old days would

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Speaker 2: have used the term hermaphrodite for, but you don't use

1385
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Speaker 2: it anymore. And it's the I in lgbtqia. Plus that's

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Speaker 2: intersex right there. So X Y chromosome means intersex. What

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Speaker 2: that means is the if this is true and we

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Speaker 2: don't know, this is just what the boxing boys say.

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Speaker 2: If she does have an X and Y chromosome, she

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Speaker 2: is not transgender because she's not a man pretending to

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Speaker 2: be a woman. She's also not a man, but she's

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Speaker 2: also not strictly a woman. She is intersex identifying as

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Speaker 2: a woman. Now then we raise the question of okay,

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Speaker 2: what should the rules around this be. How do we

1395
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Speaker 2: feel like this is caster Semenya all over again? Right,

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Speaker 2: because castera Semenya is apparently intersex, So now we get

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Speaker 2: we raise the question should intersex people compete against women

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Speaker 2: or should they compete against men? So there's a question

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Speaker 2: that the IOC may need to deal with in all

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Speaker 2: the sporting bodies. But now strip back even further. The

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Speaker 2: test that apparently says that she's got an X and

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Speaker 2: Y chromosome is coming from a bunch of dodgy guys

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Speaker 2: who have links to the Kremlin. So hmm, are we

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Speaker 2: sure about that? So did the IOC, goes No, we

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Speaker 2: don't believe that test. But did they do their own test?

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Speaker 2: No they didn't. So, as Nikki says, we're operating in

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Speaker 2: a gray zone of only having this allegation but the

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Speaker 2: IOC not disproving the allegation. Maybe she does have X

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Speaker 2: Y chromosomes. Maybe the IOC does its own test one

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Speaker 2: day and finds that, in fact, she's got double X

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Speaker 2: and shares a woman and all of this was just

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Speaker 2: a storm in a teacup. And then and then quite

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Speaker 2: apart from that, what are the rules around testing? Who

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Speaker 2: do they test? Should the IOC test like this? All

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Speaker 2: this is really a bureaucratic bungle going on right here.

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Speaker 5: But the IO a lot more to it than just

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Speaker 5: punching people in the face.

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Speaker 2: I wish it was just punching people in the face,

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Speaker 2: because that would be simple. The IOC is not covering

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Speaker 2: itself in glory here because they're just going la la

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Speaker 2: la la la la la la la. We don't want

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Speaker 2: to have to deal with it. And the IBA is

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Speaker 2: not covering itself in glory because they're mates with Putin

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Speaker 2: and nobody likes that. Wayne Brown's with us next NEWSTALGSB.

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Speaker 1: What's up, what's down? What were the major calls and

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Speaker 1: how will it affect the economy of the business? Question

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Speaker 1: is on the Business Hour with hither Duplicy, Allen and

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Speaker 1: my Hr on newstalgs V.

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Speaker 2: Evening coming up in the next hour. It turns out

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Speaker 2: Carmela's pick for VP is an old mate of chime Is.

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Speaker 2: We'll find out more with Peter Lewis shortly Barry Soper

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Speaker 2: on the Week that was and Gavin Grays with us

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Speaker 2: out of the UK at seven past six. Now Auckland's

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01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 2: mayor has launched his biggest move on Auckland Transport yet

1435
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 2: he wants to bring them back under council control. AT

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Speaker 2: was made independent from the council years ago to try

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Speaker 2: to take the politics out of transport, but now the

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Speaker 2: public just loads the agency, possibly even more. Let's talk

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Speaker 2: to Wayne Brain, Wayne Brown High, Wayne, Yeah, how'd the

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Speaker 2: boss of AT take this?

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Speaker 21: The chairs not a bit grumpy with me, but he'll

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Speaker 21: lean deliver that. Why is the chair grumpy, Well, it's

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Speaker 21: us asking that. I think they feel that I'm kind

1444
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Speaker 21: of attacking them, but I'm not. Really. What I'm doing

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Speaker 21: is defending Auckland. Yeah, I'm here for the right players

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Speaker 21: of Auckland, then to fix Orckland. That's what drives me.

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Speaker 2: Yeh, Look is this simple? I mean, is this just

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Speaker 2: a case of you just need your counsel to agree

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Speaker 2: at comes back under the politician's control or is it

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Speaker 2: more complicated than that?

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Speaker 21: Well, even just getting my councils agree with talk about

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Speaker 21: of work. But they've all agreed that the CEOs. I

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Speaker 21: did see amongst the five things I stood for, stop

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01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 21: wasting money. But number two is get back control of

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Speaker 21: the CEOs because the only control we have is selecting

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Speaker 21: board numbers and I'm only twenties of the votes for

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Speaker 21: that and that just isn't enough control at all. And

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Speaker 21: I'm sick of being blamed for things I don't control.

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Speaker 21: And it's not just at of course that the mean

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Speaker 21: there's been a few embarrassments from Iquy Perucu, and from

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Speaker 21: Tara Taki, and from not so much from all we've

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Speaker 21: solved water care, and we've got ports of work into

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Speaker 21: stop being and not for profit and actually make some money.

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Speaker 21: So those ones are kind of solved, but the other

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Speaker 21: two needs something or other. We can as a council

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Speaker 21: get back more control of a of Ekey, Pernuga and

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Speaker 21: Tartaki than we have and so get going with that anyhow,

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Speaker 21: And the chairs of those ones are not opposed to

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Speaker 21: at has had a twelve years of complete independence, to

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Speaker 21: the point of just almost we're a nuisance rather than

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Speaker 21: the owner and listening, but not as much as I'd like.

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Speaker 21: But they were set up by Rodney id and Stephen Jewish,

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Speaker 21: who wanted to say that they didn't like the idea

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Speaker 21: of elected officials having any to do with making policies

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Speaker 21: about transport. The public think that we're in charge and

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Speaker 21: expect that we're in charge. And you know, I've built roads,

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Speaker 21: owned roads, bought roads, and sold roads, and designed roads,

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Speaker 21: so I know a lot about it. Now I'm annoyed

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Speaker 21: to find that the board don't know as much about

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Speaker 21: that sort of stuff, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I can't blame Stephen Joyce and those guys

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Speaker 2: for going down this path, because you would think that

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Speaker 2: the experts would actually be half decent to their jobs.

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Speaker 2: And this has been the surprise of this experiment. Isn't

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Speaker 2: it that the experts are so bad at the job.

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Speaker 21: It doesn't surprise me at all. They swallowed that school

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Speaker 21: aid from the institutive directors are having nice boards of

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Speaker 21: balanced racial and gender neutrality and all its stuff, and

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Speaker 21: most event them being accounts and lawyers. Somehow they helps.

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Speaker 21: I had to step in to fix Vector because they

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Speaker 21: did that transper, because they did that Aughan Hospital. Because

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Speaker 21: they did that. It doesn't work. You need to have

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Speaker 21: people who understand the business first and foremost.

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Speaker 2: Now I mean, do you reckon though it will necessarily

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Speaker 2: improve things, because for example, if you were comparing ourselves

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Speaker 2: with Wellington, by ourselves, I mean Auckland. In Wellington, the

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Speaker 2: transport there is controlled by the politicians, is still pretty rubbish.

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Speaker 21: I shouldn't be compared to Willing because mayor of Wellington

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Speaker 21: is the mayor of a suburb of Wellington, and there

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Speaker 21: are several mayors in Wellington, and there's regional councils and

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Speaker 21: there's all sorts of shambles. Auckland is completely different. Is

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01:10:56,320 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 21: it's a regional government really and I'm restoring the manner

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Speaker 21: of the mayoralties that was lost by the two predecessors.

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Speaker 2: No, not fear enough. I didn't get to the bottom

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Speaker 2: of it. So is it a simple decision for counsel

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01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 2: to make rebringing Auckland transport back under your control? Or

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Speaker 2: do you need the government's help?

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Speaker 21: Oh? I need the government's help with this. And do

1509
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 21: they have to legislate, Yes, but that's not an an

1510
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 21: awful amount. They're going to have to legislate for quite

1511
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 21: a lot of things that we've got untangled.

1512
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:25,720
Speaker 2: You've had a fight with Simeon Brown. Is he going

1513
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 2: to want to help you?

1514
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:28,640
Speaker 21: Well, I've had a fight with sim so I mean

1515
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 21: I get I'm pretty good. Where did you think we

1516
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 21: had a fight?

1517
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,639
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, come on the way you've been having

1518
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 2: fights about about the bus linker of all kinds of stuff.

1519
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 21: None at all. Simeon and I work very well together.

1520
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:41,679
Speaker 21: That's a beat up from the press.

1521
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,719
Speaker 2: Did you not pack a tantrum about losing the regional fuel.

1522
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 21: Tax I didn't pack a tantrum. I simply pointed out

1523
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 21: that that's their right to do that, but it leaves

1524
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 21: a sort of money to do things.

1525
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 2: So we'll just do this, okay, So I'll take you

1526
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 2: at your words. So Simeon's going to help you on

1527
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 2: this one.

1528
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 21: I'm sure you will. You know, absolutely, he's very much

1529
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 21: in support of this. I'm sure. The other thing is

1530
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 21: that Auckland changed the government. You know, if Aukland had

1531
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 21: voted like the rest of New Zealand, we have a

1532
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 21: Lober government. But Auckland didn't. Auckland voted for National and

1533
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 21: so they've got to keep looking after aucan we looked

1534
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 21: after them. That's a good relationship. I've got a good relationships.

1535
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 21: I mean, I've got a very good relationship with Bishop

1536
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 21: and with the Prime Minister. So no, no, they're on here.

1537
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 21: We're going to fight.

1538
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 2: Good luck of being able to do this. I think

1539
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:30,679
Speaker 2: we'll want to see you when score some points against

1540
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 2: Auckland Transport. That's Wayne Brown, Auckland's mayor. Barrysope is going

1541
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 2: to be Thus shortly we'll cover off the week that

1542
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 2: was contrary facts, alternative facts on the wind yesterday when

1543
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 2: the inter Islander was coming into birth here that I

1544
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:47,719
Speaker 2: was driving a double decker bus on the Wellington Motorway

1545
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 2: past the Ferry terminal yesterday around two to three, it

1546
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 2: was very gusty and coming more north than usual. So

1547
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 2: as from Redge, thank you, reg So maybe it was

1548
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 2: absolutely still everywhere and just just right at that spot

1549
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 2: where that theory was just going hard. I've got a

1550
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 2: darline update for you, and you're going to want to

1551
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 2: hear this. Thirteen past six, crunching.

1552
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: The numbers and getting the results. It's headed duplicy Ellen

1553
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: with the Business hours thanks to my HR, the HR

1554
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 1: platform for SME on news talksb.

1555
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 2: All right, don't worry. I'm going to give you that

1556
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 2: darline update. We've got to get through politics of the

1557
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 2: week though, So Barry Soper, senior political cook, let me

1558
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 2: try this in so wrapping the political week that was

1559
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 2: our senior political correspondent, Barry Sober. Welcome back, Barry, Hello again.

1560
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 2: Have that Barry. This energy crisis is really quite serious.

1561
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 2: I can't see any way that we're going to get

1562
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 2: out of this in a in a quick way.

1563
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 1: No.

1564
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 16: Unfortunately, you know, you've got hundreds of people waiting to

1565
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 16: see if they're going to have a job. But next week,

1566
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 16: maybe it really is a big issue. And the politicians,

1567
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 16: even though they make a lot of noise, they do

1568
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 16: have a lot of power when it comes to Gen

1569
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 16: Tayler's in this country. I mean there's the electricity retailers essentially,

1570
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:09,760
Speaker 16: and Simmy and Brown had the four big ones into

1571
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 16: his office this week talk to them about it. Nikola

1572
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 16: Willis has made very disparaging remarks about the Gen Taylor's

1573
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 16: in this country. Shane Jones and Winston Peters have gone

1574
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 16: even further. Winston Peters says their profitearing well. The fact

1575
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 16: is that the major Gen Taylor's in this country government,

1576
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 16: the majority a government owned so well well, the government

1577
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 16: can talk to them with much more authority than it

1578
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 16: could talk to, for example, to the banks.

1579
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 2: M Barry, you will never have a majority shareholder going

1580
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 2: to them and saying.

1581
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 16: Prices can you make?

1582
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 2: Can you imagine what that would do to the like?

1583
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 2: Imagine what that would do to the forty nine percent

1584
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 2: of investors, the minority investors like me and you and

1585
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:00,640
Speaker 2: everybody else who's got shares. It's too risky that.

1586
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 16: The alternative here there is that you know, you've got

1587
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 16: the lights going out around the country, people paying massive

1588
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 16: power bills, and many many people losing their jobs. That's

1589
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 16: the alternative, and sometimes you have to take a hit

1590
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 16: it's not to justify risk.

1591
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 2: That the investment risk that you would create as a government,

1592
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 2: you basically turn us into a crazy third world banana republic.

1593
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 7: Well we're going to become that if we.

1594
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 2: We have got regulatory mechanisms available to the government to

1595
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 2: actually deal with this in a proper way. That's the

1596
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 2: first thing. The second thing is, do not get sucked

1597
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 2: berry into believing the gent tailors. Yes, do not get

1598
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 2: sucked into believing the gent tailors are the biggest problem

1599
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 2: with the energy crisis. It is asking them to drop

1600
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:47,759
Speaker 2: their prices.

1601
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 1: Is only the weather.

1602
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 16: The weather is a major issue.

1603
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:52,759
Speaker 2: And shortage of gas is the problem.

1604
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 7: Well, yes, I know.

1605
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 16: I mean if you want to talk politically, of course, it.

1606
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 2: Is not politically literally that is the problem.

1607
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 16: Hang on, it's politically as well, because when you look

1608
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:06,560
Speaker 16: at the politics of this, you say, well, no, hang on,

1609
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 16: it was the Labor One of the first actions of

1610
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 16: the Labor led government was to stop oil and gas

1611
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 16: exploration in this country. Now, what they have to do,

1612
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:19,480
Speaker 16: the Labor Party, that is, is, if we're talking politics,

1613
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 16: come to the table and say that, look, we will

1614
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 16: they need to negotiate that and say right, we're prepared

1615
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 16: to allow oil and gas exploration again in this country.

1616
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:38,679
Speaker 16: And what that does is send an indication to anyone

1617
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,799
Speaker 16: that may be holding back from investing here again.

1618
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:43,719
Speaker 13: Go ahead.

1619
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:45,600
Speaker 2: Guess all I'm trying to say to you is that

1620
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 2: Nicola Willis and Shane Jones and all of these guys

1621
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 2: and Winston can go as hard as they like on

1622
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:51,560
Speaker 2: the gent tailors, but they will only be moving the

1623
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 2: dial a little bit when you need more gas in

1624
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 2: the camps.

1625
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 16: I'm talking about simply his power. They have more power

1626
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 16: than they have over there tricity gent tailors than they do,

1627
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 16: for example, over the Bank Party, well over the banks,

1628
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 16: and they've certainly got no power Labour Party.

1629
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:09,720
Speaker 2: Nobody's got any power over the Labor Party otherwise would

1630
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 2: sort them out. Hey, So John Key, we start the

1631
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 2: week with John Key telling us all to turn down

1632
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 2: the temperature on the race relations, and then we have

1633
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 2: one of the wildest weeks in race relations in a while.

1634
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 2: That didn't work, did it.

1635
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 16: It didn't work at all. It was quite the opposite.

1636
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 16: And you've got to say it wasn't necessarily the government's fault.

1637
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 16: It was those in Parliament. Although you could point the

1638
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 16: finger as you have done Philly Squeally at Paul Goldsmith,

1639
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 16: the Minister of Arts and Culture, for changing Maori signage

1640
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 16: in a letter that you sent to an Australian minister.

1641
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 2: That's small. The Maori Party are worse.

1642
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 16: Well okay, no, no, absolutely, well, I'm just starting with

1643
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:54,679
Speaker 16: that you're building out. It's the minor transgression, the major one,

1644
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:59,719
Speaker 16: and I'm absolutely astounded that the so called mainstream media

1645
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 16: haven't really touched on it. And that's Debbie Nawa Packer's

1646
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 16: speech to Parliament and the General Debate this week. It

1647
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 16: was nothing short of disgraceful in my view, and the

1648
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 16: words she used and in fact what she did really

1649
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 16: was called Winston Peters a psychopath. She said the government

1650
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 16: is being led by a Macavelian, which were led to

1651
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 16: assume that's Chris Hepkins by us Luxeon's well cap fits, Yeah,

1652
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 16: well Chris Luxon and then the psychopath Winston Peters, and

1653
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:39,679
Speaker 16: then a narcissist.

1654
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 7: What's his name?

1655
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 2: When he's the narcissist?

1656
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 1: Well, and.

1657
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 13: Well don't you think don't you.

1658
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 16: Go down that track as well?

1659
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 1: Now?

1660
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 16: But you've gone down a track that you shouldn't really

1661
01:18:57,439 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 16: be going down because it's the the way she delivered it,

1662
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 16: and saying that there was something big that she's not

1663
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 16: telling us about is on the way. Well, whether it's

1664
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:09,560
Speaker 16: arm again or not, we're not quite sure, but I

1665
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 16: guarantee it'll be something like the Foreshore and c Beard issue,

1666
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 16: and that of course is being fought in the courts

1667
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 16: at the moment, and that could again rare a taggly head.

1668
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 16: But I'll tell you what, the last Foreshore and Seabe debate,

1669
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 16: when legislation was passed under the Clerk government, was never

1670
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:32,280
Speaker 16: as nasty and vociferous as what's being said.

1671
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 7: At the moment.

1672
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:34,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably fair. Hey, Barry, thank you very much.

1673
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 2: I appreciated very so for senior political correspondent rapping the

1674
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:40,599
Speaker 2: political week. That was all right, here's your Darlian update

1675
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:42,719
Speaker 2: coming at you're right after this break six twenty.

1676
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 1: Three, crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather

1677
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 1: due for see Ellen with the business hours. Thanks to

1678
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 1: my HR, the HR platform for SME on us talksb.

1679
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 2: Right, here's you dot for six twenty five. By the way,

1680
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 2: here's your darling Tanner and update. Her husband's been in

1681
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 2: court today, so completely unrelated to everything else. Spatter geez,

1682
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 2: when it goes badly a it's like when it rains

1683
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 2: at pause. So Christian is in court today because he

1684
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 2: hasn't paid four three hundred and eighty five dollars worth

1685
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 2: of parking fines. Now, just stop and appreciate how much

1686
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 2: that is in parking fines. I mean, what's the worst

1687
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 2: you get in parking fines at the moment? It's like

1688
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 2: forty bucks?

1689
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 3: Do you get more than that?

1690
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 2: Do you get sixty bucks? Do you get eighty bucks?

1691
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 2: I don't know as a hell of a lot of

1692
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 2: whatever to add up to four three hundred and eighty

1693
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 2: five dollars worth of parking fines. You didn't just forget

1694
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 2: one bill, did you, mate, you forgot multiple You just

1695
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 2: didn't pay them, did you? And you let them rack

1696
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 2: up anyway. So he went in today and he tried

1697
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 2: to defend himself in the Auckland District Court. He said

1698
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 2: he doesn't understand why he should be held liable for

1699
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 2: the parking fines because in fact, it was often sometimes

1700
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 2: employees of his who were using the vehicles who were

1701
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:55,680
Speaker 2: racking up the parking fines in the first place. Of

1702
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 2: why should he have Well, because he's the boss of

1703
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 2: the company, I suppose, so he said it couldn't pay

1704
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 2: the fines, so as a result, he was ordered to

1705
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 2: do eighty hours worth of community service. Afterwards, obviously the

1706
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 2: Heralds caught up with him and he spilled the tea.

1707
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 2: He said he's very good at riding a bike, but

1708
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 2: not so good at defending himself in court, which I

1709
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 2: think what he means is he ended up having to

1710
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 2: do the community service, so it can't have been very

1711
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:20,720
Speaker 2: good at defending himself. He said he's approaching bankruptcy, which

1712
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 2: I suppose is the reason why he can't pay the

1713
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 2: parking fines, and to that I have some sympathy for him.

1714
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:28,639
Speaker 2: That would be awful. Also, he has broken up with Darlene.

1715
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,680
Speaker 2: He says the situation that they find themselves in has

1716
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:36,560
Speaker 2: romantically made it impossible we still have dinner now. That

1717
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 2: to me is surprising, because just the other day, what

1718
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:39,719
Speaker 2: was Darlene saying?

1719
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 8: I am married to my husband for better or for worse?

1720
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 1: Was she? Though? Had they?

1721
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:50,919
Speaker 2: How long ago did she say that? Laura the producer,

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01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 2: it was two weeks ago, because I was here. It

1723
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 2: was before I went on my other holiday, my second holiday,

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01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 2: so two weeks ago she was saying out loud to

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Speaker 2: the cameras.

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Speaker 21: I am married to my husband for better or for.

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Speaker 2: And then two weeks later he's like, no, we're broken up.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, that's interesting, isn't it.

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Speaker 22: Headline's next, whether it's macro micro or just plain economics,

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01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 22: it's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen

1731
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 22: and my HR, the HR platform for SME used talks

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Speaker 22: it'd be.

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Speaker 23: Nice, well me, you can seek in about ten minutes time.

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Speaker 2: I might have been a little unfair on Christian hoff Nielsen,

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01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 2: the estranged husband of Darlene Tarnica's. It might not have

1736
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 2: been that he racked up four four hundred dollars worth

1737
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Speaker 2: of parking fines. Well, they did say parking finds, right,

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01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 2: so I'm assuming it's parking finds. However, there is always

1739
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Speaker 2: the outside possibility that these do include bus lane finds,

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01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 2: which can also be incurred for parking in a bus lane.

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01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 2: And where the shop is located on the corner of

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01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 2: Kaiber Pass and Broadway in Newmarket, there is a bus lane,

1743
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 2: so in which case, what I'm trying to say is

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Speaker 2: it might not have just been a series of eighty

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Speaker 2: dollar finds that he was racking up. But in fact,

1746
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,600
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty dollar finds makes it easier to

1747
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 2: get to four thy four hundred, doesn't it. And that's

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Speaker 2: where it ends, because then obviously you're still not paying

1749
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 2: your fines, mate. And that's the problem here, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what's going on in South Africa. This

1752
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 2: is the controversy in South Africa at the moment. It's

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01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:33,600
Speaker 2: about a South African beauty pageant contestant. She's had to

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01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 2: withdraw from the competition because her mum has been accused

1755
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 2: of identity theft, which means and the reason she's therefore

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01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 2: had to withdraw from the competition is if the mum

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01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 2: has nicked identity theft, the mum is originally from Mozambique,

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01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 2: father's from somewhere like Nigeria. If the mum has in

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01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 2: fact nick the identity of a South African woman, what

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01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 2: that means is that the mother is not a South

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01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 2: African citizen. Therefore, she the contestant, is also not a

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01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 2: South African citizen and therefore not eligible to compete in

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Speaker 2: in this pageant. This has gripped South Africa for weeks.

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Speaker 2: The politicians and the celebrities and the talk shows have

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01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:10,800
Speaker 2: been all into it, and it got to the point

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Speaker 2: where eventually the pageant, which is due to be held tomorrow,

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01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 2: had to eventually just cracked and got in touch with

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Speaker 2: the Home Affairs Ministry and asked the Home Affairs Ministry

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Speaker 2: to investigate, and it did, and it said this week

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Speaker 2: that the mother, yes, may in fact have stolen the

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Speaker 2: South African woman's identity, and so as the result, the

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Speaker 2: contestant then the next day pulled out and it's all over.

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Speaker 2: What happened they reckon this is the Home Affairs Ministry

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01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 2: is that the mum did in fact nick another woman's identity,

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01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:38,600
Speaker 2: and it is possible that that woman may not have

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01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 2: realized up to the point where she went to register

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Speaker 2: her own child's birth and could not register it because

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01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 2: her identity had been nicked by somebody else. Not the

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01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 2: contestant's fault. They're keen to stress. But she was a

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01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 2: baby at the time. But nevertheless she is now bearing

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01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 2: the well, she's paying for it, isn't she. And by

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01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 2: the way, she's hot, so she might have won the

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Speaker 2: thing two A seven forgiven. Peter Lewis Asia Business correspondent

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Speaker 2: with US now Peter.

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Speaker 8: Hi Loya.

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Speaker 2: Forgiven you were just talking to Laura. We will forgive

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Speaker 2: you for that.

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Speaker 6: I was.

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Speaker 8: My brain is a bit scrambled this morning.

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Speaker 2: That's all right, after a week that you've been through

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Speaker 2: having a look at the stocks, the Japanese stocks and

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01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 2: stuff like that, how are things looking there now? After

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01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 2: all of that volatility?

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01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:25,680
Speaker 8: They've calmed down a bit. I mean, there were extraordinary

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01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:27,800
Speaker 8: volatility at the beginning of the week. The NIK two

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Speaker 8: two five, the main index in Japan, plunged twelve percent

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Speaker 8: over twelve percent in just the day, and then the

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01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 8: following day rebounded ten percent, which sort of begs the question,

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01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 8: what change between Friday and Monday to cause a twelve

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Speaker 8: percent four and then what changed between Monday and Tuesday

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01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:49,640
Speaker 8: to cause in to rebound again by ten percent? And

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01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 8: no one has really got a very good answer to that,

1803
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 8: because there certainly hasn't been anything drastic changing in the economy.

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01:25:56,840 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 8: What has changed in Japan is that interest rates are

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01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 8: starting to go up. The Bank of Japan now has

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01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 8: twice this year raised interest rates, and you have to

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Speaker 8: bear in mind that for two decades, interest rates in

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01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 8: Japan have been either negative or zero, so it is

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Speaker 8: although it's a small change, they're now a quarter of

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01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:19,560
Speaker 8: a percent between global terms, is still very low. It

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01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 8: starts the move of a start upwards and what this

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01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 8: has done has caused an unwind in what is known

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01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 8: as the yen carry trade. Now what happens is investors

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01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 8: all over the world are able to borrow money in

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Speaker 8: Japan at very very low rates, at zero or close

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Speaker 8: to zero, which they have done, and then they deposit

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Speaker 8: those proceeds in areas where there's much higher interest rates,

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Speaker 8: like the US dollar where interest rates are five and

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01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 8: a quarter percent, the New Zealand dollar, the Australian dollar

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01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 8: where you can get a much higher rate of return,

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01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:53,639
Speaker 8: and then on top of that they go and use

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Speaker 8: those funds to buy other assets. So in the US

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Speaker 8: it could be tech stocks, it could be bitcoin and

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Speaker 8: so on. So what happens is now that is starting

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Speaker 8: to go in reverse as Japanese rates rise. It's caused

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Speaker 8: the big jump in the yen, which means that people

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01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 8: start to lose money when they have to convert their

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Speaker 8: dollars or their Aussie dollars back to yen because the

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01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 8: exchange rate has moved against them. So just a very

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01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 8: small change in interest rates has caused quite a big

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01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 8: dislocation in both Japanese markets and other markets around the

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Speaker 8: world as well. We've seen it in the US this

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Speaker 8: weekend and elsewhere. So it does beg the question what

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Speaker 8: happens if interest rates go up even more? They're only

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01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 8: a quarter of percent at the moment. If they go

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01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 8: up even further from that, what is it going to

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01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:41,639
Speaker 8: do twit to local equity markets? And this is where

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01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 8: people are rather fearful of the unwinding of this trade

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01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 8: which has been going on for two decades now.

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Speaker 2: On that subject, what do you make of the apparent

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01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 2: disagreement over it between the central bank governor and the

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Speaker 2: deputy governor.

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Speaker 8: Well, this is quite extraordinary because the governor of the

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01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 8: Banker Japan casa raise rates and staid very clearly just

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01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 8: two weeks ago rates are going to go up more. Well,

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01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 8: that caused this big fall in the market. So the

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01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 8: other day the deputy governor of the Banker Japan said, no, no,

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01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 8: we're not going to raise rates while markets are unstable. Now,

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01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 8: this is quite extraordinary because it means in the space

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01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 8: of just a few days, Japan has completely abandoned its

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01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 8: monetary policy, which was to raise rates in order to

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01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 8: in effect save the markets. They don't want to raise

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01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:31,240
Speaker 8: rates where the markets are going down. Now, this is

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01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 8: not what a central bank is supposed to do. A

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01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 8: central bank is supposed to focus on inflation and price

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01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 8: stability and to a certain extented economic stability. Its job

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01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:45,799
Speaker 8: is not to bail out investors in the stock market.

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01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 8: And you certainly wouldn't hear the FED, for example, in

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01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 8: the US, say we're going to stop raising rates because

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01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 8: the market has started to go down. The only time

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01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 8: you would ever consider such a thing is if there

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01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 8: was real financial instability, which hasn't happened to a date

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01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:05,720
Speaker 8: in Japan. So this is quite an extraordinary, first of all,

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01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 8: difference of opinion between the governor and the deputy governor,

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01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 8: but also quite an extraordinary intervention by the Bank of

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Speaker 8: Japan after just one of the fact has been two

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Speaker 8: days of market volacility.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very good point. Hey, I'm fascinated by how far

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01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:23,120
Speaker 2: back to Waltz's connection to China goes, just given how

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Speaker 2: anti China the US government is at the moment.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, he's had a long connection with China,

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Speaker 8: going back to nineteen eighty nine. He was a teacher

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01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:36,320
Speaker 8: in China for a year in southern China, he taught

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Speaker 8: American history and English of the school in Guandong Province,

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01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 8: and he speaks very fondly of it. He gave an

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Speaker 8: interview not long after he did that where he talks

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Speaker 8: very much about how much he enjoyed his experience there.

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01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 8: He thought the Chinese people were wonderful. He said he

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01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:56,720
Speaker 8: was treated exceptionally well. He wasn't very complimentary about the

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Speaker 8: Chinese governments. He said, there will be so many good

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01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 8: opportunities for Chinese people if they had proper leadership. He

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01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 8: said there would be no limits on what they could

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Speaker 8: accomplish if they had a good leadership. And even after that,

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01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 8: after his year there, he had a business which every

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01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:18,320
Speaker 8: year took high school students from America to China every summer,

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Speaker 8: and he did that until two thousand and three. And

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01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 8: an interesting fact about it is that he chose to

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01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 8: marry his wife on June the fourth, nineteen ninety four,

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Speaker 8: or June the fourth was the day is the anniversary

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Speaker 8: of the crackdown on Tier Element Square, and he said

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Speaker 8: he wanted to marry his wife on to have a

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01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:43,040
Speaker 8: date that he would always remember. So although he likes

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01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:45,519
Speaker 8: very much China, and he likes very much Chinese people.

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01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:48,719
Speaker 8: He has been a very big critic of the Chinese

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01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:51,760
Speaker 8: governments with their human rights record. He's met people like

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01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:56,640
Speaker 8: the Dalai Lama, Hong Kong devocracy activist Joshua Wong. He

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01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 8: also met who is now in jail. And he's on

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01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 8: several American committees which are looking into sort of the

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Speaker 8: activities of China, and he has been a supporter of

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Speaker 8: some of the sanctions because of what he says and

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01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 8: what these American committees saying are breaches of human rights

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01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:15,639
Speaker 8: in China.

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Speaker 2: He's fascinating. Hey, thank you very much, Peter really appreciated.

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Speaker 2: Peter Lewis talk to you next week. Our Asia Business

1905
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 2: correspondent out of Hong Kong got the email from ki

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01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 2: Wei Rail good on ya Okay. On the wind, on

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01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 2: the wind, on the wind. The wind at the time,

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01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:33,000
Speaker 2: so they are looking into all aspects of the birthing.

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01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 2: The wind at the time was recorded at being about

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01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 2: twenty two knots that's forty one k's per hour, gusting

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01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:42,559
Speaker 2: up to thirty knots that's fifty six k's per hour,

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01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:45,000
Speaker 2: and the investigation will be looking at whether the wind

1913
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 2: direction and any gusts were a factor in the incident

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01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:50,800
Speaker 2: because of Redgi's text before and Redgi is the only one,

1915
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:52,680
Speaker 2: but I'm keeping my mind open to it because one

1916
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 2: guy called Ridge, who was driving a double decker bus

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01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 2: at around about the time that the other Telly hit

1918
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 2: the drawbridge, because he that they were guests. Maybe they

1919
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:05,280
Speaker 2: were guests. We'll go to the UKNX Quarter two, everything.

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Speaker 1: From SMEs to the big corporates, the Business Hour with

1921
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:12,320
Speaker 1: Hinter Duple c Ellen and my HR, the HR platform

1922
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:13,639
Speaker 1: for SME US talks.

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01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 2: They'd be all right with us. Now out of the UK,

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01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:19,360
Speaker 2: we have Gavin Gray evening to you. Gevin Hi there,

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01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:21,760
Speaker 2: Hella right. So we've got some details now on this

1926
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:24,160
Speaker 2: plot to attack the tay taken sot. What was this

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01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 2: chet planning to do?

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01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:28,439
Speaker 24: Yeah, a lot more severe than I think people have

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01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:31,519
Speaker 24: originally envisaged. So he's a nineteen year old he's been

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Speaker 24: arrested on planning to kill a large crowd of people

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01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:39,040
Speaker 24: in a suicide attack at the Taylor Swift concert in Vienna.

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Speaker 24: The teenager have previously pledged allegiance to the Islamic State

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Speaker 24: group and confessed that the quote intended to carry out

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Speaker 24: an attack using explosives and knives. Taylor Swift has three

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Speaker 24: shows at the Ernst Tapple Stadium in Austria. They're all

1936
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Speaker 24: sold out, but they've all now been canceled. That means

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Speaker 24: one hundred and ninety five thousand people have been disappointed.

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Speaker 24: The nineteen year old man, the main suspect, had stolen chemicals,

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Speaker 24: apparently from his former workplace. One newspaper, citing that he

1940
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Speaker 24: used to work as a metal processing company, intermits his

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Speaker 24: hometown and that he'd made progress in building a bomb.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 24: The interesting thing about this, of course is Taylor Swift's

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Speaker 24: concerts are a massive tour, the Eras Tour, and this

1945
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Speaker 24: is the European leg, and she arrives in Wembley Stadium

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Speaker 24: in London next week, and of course security for that

1947
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Speaker 24: will have to be extremely tight.

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Speaker 2: Hey, So Elon Musks he deleted that fake Telegraph article.

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Speaker 24: Yes, so a fake story, a fake article and a

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Speaker 24: fake banner to it. All of that was something which

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Speaker 24: appeared on the website or on x and was reposted

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Speaker 24: by Elon Musk.

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Speaker 4: What was it?

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Speaker 24: Well, it promoted a conspiracy theory about the British building

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Speaker 24: detainment amps in the South Atlantic for rioters in the

1956
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Speaker 24: recent disturbances those South Atlantic islands the Falkland Islands off Argentina,

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Speaker 24: of course British territory. But this image that was posted

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Speaker 24: by Elon Musk looked very much like it had come

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Speaker 24: from the Daily Telegraph website. The Daily Telegraph said.

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Speaker 8: No, it's not.

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Speaker 24: The story has nothing to do with them, and indeed

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Speaker 24: it's not true. It was first copied. It was originally

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Speaker 24: put online, then copied by the co leader of the

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Speaker 24: far right Britain First Party, and that's where we believe

1965
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Speaker 24: Elon must picked it up. He's since taken it down,

1966
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Speaker 24: but not Heather before one point seven million people had

1967
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Speaker 24: looked at it is. So that shows the power of

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Speaker 24: social media and it's something this government is desperately trying

1969
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Speaker 24: to work out how to tackle in light of how

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Speaker 24: social media was used in these routes.

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Speaker 2: Listen, Kevin, I'm not entirely surprised that the two most

1972
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Speaker 2: expensive studies in the world, Sullivan Aaron Switzerland, are you.

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Speaker 24: No, I'm not, And having been there recently for dinner

1974
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Speaker 24: and thinking it would cost me, ah, I don't know,

1975
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Speaker 24: sixty seventy dollars, and then being given a bill that

1976
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Speaker 24: was something like double or triple. That father for some

1977
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Speaker 24: really pretty ordinary stuff was quite amazing. So this is

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Speaker 24: a list of the top ten most expensive cities in

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Speaker 24: the world. In fact, it goes on some two hundred

1980
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Speaker 24: and eighteen cities were measured. Geneva and Zurich take the

1981
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Speaker 24: top two slots, and New York is third. And all

1982
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Speaker 24: these different factors which include cost of living as in rent,

1983
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Speaker 24: the going out for a meal, going out for a drink, transport,

1984
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Speaker 24: calast et cetera, are all compared to New York, so

1985
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Speaker 24: Geneva and Zurich are more expensive. New York comes in next.

1986
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Speaker 24: Then we get a whole list of different cities. Reck

1987
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Speaker 24: Kivik in Iceland comes in six. You have to look

1988
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Speaker 24: down to thirteenth for London. The top Australian city Canberra,

1989
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Speaker 24: he comes in twelfth. But in New Zealand Wellington twenty ninth,

1990
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Speaker 24: Auckland forty third and christ Church sixty seventh, so some

1991
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Speaker 24: interest in comparisons there and the cheapest fourteen cities India

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Speaker 24: and Pakistan have twelve of them.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. Hey, thank you very much, Gavin, really appreciate it,

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Speaker 2: and enjoy your weekend. Gavin Gray UK correspondent, Man, I'm

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Speaker 2: surprised that Singapore isn't on like the top ten, because

1996
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Speaker 2: you know, I went to Singapore last week and we

1997
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Speaker 2: will discuss this at some stage. It was a wild,

1998
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Speaker 2: wild thing to do at like two weeks notice to

1999
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Speaker 2: my boss, who was very gracious about it. Blah blah whatever,

2000
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Speaker 2: ill explain it at some stage. It was craziness that

2001
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Speaker 2: came over me. But but so I went with a

2002
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Speaker 2: friend of mine and we were staying at a really

2003
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Speaker 2: cool little hotel in Chinatown, and so we went. We

2004
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Speaker 2: had and put hotel on the rooms, breakfast on the room.

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Speaker 2: So we went downstairs and said, oh, I have breakfast

2006
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Speaker 2: at the hotel, went downstairs, paid sixty bucks for a breakfast.

2007
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Speaker 2: We're like, might have to have breakfast now elsewhere, won't

2008
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Speaker 2: we because that's a little bit expensive. And then Singapore's

2009
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 2: notorious for being really expensive. And then obviously you have

2010
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Speaker 2: to go to Raffles Bar. Yeah, we had Raffles hotel.

2011
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Speaker 2: You have to go to Long Bar all yourself a

2012
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Speaker 2: Singapore sling, one Singapore sling fifty dollars fifty New Zealand

2013
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Speaker 2: dollars for a cocktail. Your answers looking at me, like,

2014
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Speaker 2: what are you doing with your life? Would you do

2015
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Speaker 2: it once? Don't yet they don't do it again.

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Speaker 5: You can get a cocktail with four different kinds of

2017
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:16,559
Speaker 5: rum and absinthe in it in Auckland for like almost half.

2018
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Speaker 5: They just over half that.

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Speaker 2: I was shocked and I'm tight.

2020
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Speaker 5: So so better have been good?

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Speaker 20: Was it good?

2022
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Speaker 2: It was awesome? Like you only needed one and you

2023
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 2: were like you only needed one and you were not

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Speaker 2: walking at a straight line. So it did the job

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Speaker 2: for fifty bucks. I'll tell you what. Singapore is not

2026
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Speaker 2: the city for me. So I like my things to

2027
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:34,719
Speaker 2: be cheap seven away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics. It's all

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Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR,

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Speaker 1: the HR platform for SME used talkb.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've got an I've got another Singapore story

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Speaker 2: for you. So before I went to Singapore, I was

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Speaker 2: desperate and I was talking about it non stop to

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Speaker 2: the guys here at work, desperate to go to this

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Speaker 2: place called Hawker Chan, which is like a really cheap

2036
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Speaker 2: kind of like food cart type vibe place that managed

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Speaker 2: to get a Michelin star back in twenty sixteen. It

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Speaker 2: was really controversial that they gave a Micheline Star to

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Speaker 2: this place, but then it lost the Michelin Star. And

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Speaker 2: let me tell you, I know why they lost the

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Speaker 2: Michelin Star because the trapes were made across town to

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Speaker 2: go to this place. Actually not that far was also

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Speaker 2: in China Town, so it was just around the block.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, went there and it was basically the McDonald's

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Speaker 2: of Singapore. And you go in and they're like Michelin Star,

2046
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Speaker 2: like hawk Chain in the place that won the Michelin Star, yay.

2047
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Speaker 2: And you go in and it's like you're going into

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Speaker 2: the crappiest Asian food joint you've ever been to, and

2049
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Speaker 2: you order. I was like, what shall I have? And

2050
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Speaker 2: they were like, order the tourist dish, so we did.

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Speaker 2: And tourist dish is basically like a bunch of kind

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Speaker 2: of like bits of meat and some bock choi on

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01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:46,400
Speaker 2: the side and then some Singapore noodles. And why on

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Speaker 2: earth the Micheline people ever thought that that deserved a

2055
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 2: Michelin star. That wasn't even do you know what? You

2056
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:53,519
Speaker 2: go to Ponzabi Food caught order some food up there

2057
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Speaker 2: is better than what we had. I don't know why

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01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:56,680
Speaker 2: it got a Michelin star, but good thing they took

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Speaker 2: it away. So anyway, that was the biggest disappointment. Singapore

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Speaker 2: Sling though I fight out of Singaple Sling before I

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01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:03,320
Speaker 2: gone to that that place, it would have been fine.

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Speaker 5: And I'll tell you what I'm getting about. Hungry now

2063
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:07,880
Speaker 5: talking about this, So let's talk about Michael Boublay. This

2064
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:10,120
Speaker 5: is brand new actually from Michael blue Blair. This song

2065
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 5: was called Don't Blame It on Me. It's off his

2066
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:14,840
Speaker 5: new album, which is going to be a greatest Hits album,

2067
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:18,000
Speaker 5: the Best of Boo Blay. You can enjoy that when

2068
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:20,200
Speaker 5: it's released on September the twenty seventh. But you know,

2069
01:39:20,280 --> 01:39:21,760
Speaker 5: I can he greatest Hits album. You have to put

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01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:23,800
Speaker 5: something in there to keep people who already have all

2071
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:25,599
Speaker 5: the albums buying it. So this is the new song

2072
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Speaker 5: that's going to be on there.

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Speaker 2: I love how you say you can enjoy that knowing

2074
01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:30,479
Speaker 2: I know full well that this would be like your

2075
01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 2: version of hell, wouldn't it, you know?

2076
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Speaker 5: Purgatory? I mean I can, I can see the skill

2077
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:36,000
Speaker 5: on display, but I wouldn't listen to.

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Speaker 2: It for fun though, Yeah, okay, you enjoy it though,

2079
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:40,280
Speaker 2: because you and I are normal people listening to this.

2080
01:39:40,439 --> 01:39:43,560
Speaker 2: I'm like an, this is his duff duff enjoy and

2081
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:46,000
Speaker 2: we'll see you on Monday. You still me it just

2082
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 2: worked out beautiful to play.

2083
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:55,640
Speaker 4: With the broken heart when you.

2084
01:39:57,680 --> 01:39:58,320
Speaker 1: Don't put du.

2085
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:05,320
Speaker 2: All this wrong for beauty.

2086
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:07,120
Speaker 20: Please don't blame it all.

2087
01:40:08,479 --> 01:40:09,240
Speaker 13: You can call it.

2088
01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:14,800
Speaker 1: Don't blame it. Always meant to peace.

2089
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Speaker 13: Don't blame it all.

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