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Speaker 2: It's a trick, it is out, the test is over.

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Speaker 2: Hello on the Front Foot remains in celebration mode as

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Speaker 2: the newsumer Day settle the series with South Africa. Another

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Speaker 2: opener puts pressure on the selects a test mates consideration,

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Speaker 2: I say that's the problem worth having and the Black

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Speaker 2: Cat for the Chapel Hadley series hit by injury, concerned

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Speaker 2: but still a strong lineup selected for a tough season

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Speaker 2: opener Jeremy Coney. That season opener is October, the first

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Speaker 2: first game of international quick in days part we hadn't

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Speaker 2: even started club cricket, Lettle and international cricket at October.

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Speaker 5: The first always Labor weekend was wasn't it in Wellington?

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Speaker 5: You're playing on the Saturday and then the Monday. One

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Speaker 5: of them usually rained out and it was normally late October,

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Speaker 5: wasn't it sort of twenty six to twenty seventh round

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And in recent times, believe we've been on artificial

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Speaker 2: a weekend build up series, which was more time in

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Speaker 2: season going. I was at the maation received yesterday. Actually

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Speaker 2: it looks beautiful. It's lush green. They've done all the

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Speaker 2: hard work already. The pitch preparation has been started on

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Speaker 2: the twelve strip block and it's it's so lush, Jerry,

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Speaker 2: I think you open the bowling.

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Speaker 5: You're into the wind with your haircut, and I'm only

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Speaker 5: just I'll be coming there and following straight after, don't worry.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but never minded to sign that the cricket season

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Speaker 2: on what's going on overseas. I mean, you've you've been

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Speaker 2: living the life of luxury anyway you've I see you

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Speaker 2: dressed tonight and you're number ones and the yes and

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Speaker 2: up with your I think that was your tie for

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Speaker 2: the celebratory time you played for Willington. You know an

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Speaker 2: your benefit type.

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Speaker 5: Oh, the benefit type. Yeah, yeah, I think I don't

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Speaker 5: know whether it was that was I thought I lost

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Speaker 2: I'll get it to you. I've got one because.

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Speaker 5: It's not worth anything. I've sorry. Yeah, well sor it is.

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Speaker 2: The October the first is what we're talking about, and

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Speaker 2: Michael Bracefall gets to lead the squad. Games tightly packed

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Speaker 2: into four days at Bay Oval, three T twenties. It's

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Speaker 2: Five players for Nellen, Devon Conway, Lucky Ferguson and Tim

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Speaker 6: Giving me the opportunities to play abroad to grow my

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Speaker 2: The freedom to play outside of central contract has advantages

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Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly.

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Speaker 6: I mean I think at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just grateful for the opportunity.

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Speaker 6: Obviously it's a little bit disappointing for finale and missing out,

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Speaker 6: So just react to your thing and what works will

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Speaker 2: And it's keen to resume the contest with the Aussies.

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Speaker 6: Can't wait for the opportunity to hopefully bring that trophy

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Speaker 6: You know, we've seen him in the Netzier in Wellington

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Speaker 6: It's certainly one forties plus for sure, but it's exciting

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's plaid a fair bit of cricket for

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Speaker 6: Now he's got good experience under his belt and just

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Speaker 7: No, I've been away fortunately, so I know that he's

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I've done it for a number of years now for

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Speaker 7: exactly how he plays on the field off the field

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Speaker 7: That's what he's known for and that's what perhaps keeps

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Speaker 7: I'm sure we'll see more of that in the series ahead.

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Speaker 2: You've had a side that in the past has been

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Speaker 7: So hopefully we've done that on both fronts, and we've

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Speaker 2: How does the captain work within that environment, because you've

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Speaker 7: It's interesting one. I think everyone's a leader in their

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Speaker 2: And in sent there's absence the pride of being able

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Speaker 7: I think every time you get to lead the country,

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Speaker 7: the leadership side is nothing new to me. But yeah,

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Speaker 7: there's the added pressures of international cricket, so it's always

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Speaker 7: always a huge opportunity to get out there and lead

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Speaker 7: formidable Tom. Yeah, it's a great way to start pretty quick,

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Speaker 7: three games in four days. But yeah, hopefully we've got

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Speaker 7: a lot of support up there in the Bay and

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Speaker 2: Jerry, it's good to know that those guys have signed

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Speaker 2: the interesting thing is, you know you're hauling guys like, Wow,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it was awesome. It was a great tour.

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Speaker 2: I guess when you put those times together, this is

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Speaker 4: long as possible.

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00:22:31,133 --> 00:22:33,533
Speaker 2: You've better than a couple of positions. You've opened and

436
00:22:33,613 --> 00:22:35,693
Speaker 2: you've bettered down the order on this tour, and I

437
00:22:35,693 --> 00:22:38,893
Speaker 2: guess that's part of the tour that you're on because

438
00:22:38,933 --> 00:22:41,133
Speaker 2: everybody has to have an opportunity. You've got a preference

439
00:22:41,173 --> 00:22:41,893
Speaker 2: where you like to bet.

440
00:22:42,493 --> 00:22:44,693
Speaker 4: I like opening at the moment, definitely in four day

441
00:22:44,813 --> 00:22:48,573
Speaker 4: four day cricket, I love opening, so I'd like to

442
00:22:49,213 --> 00:22:50,373
Speaker 4: try to stay there for a little bit.

443
00:22:50,733 --> 00:22:54,493
Speaker 2: What were the conditions like to better Because you've also

444
00:22:54,573 --> 00:22:57,733
Speaker 2: played as part of the New Zealand A side in

445
00:22:58,093 --> 00:23:01,413
Speaker 2: Bangladesh in was there a major difference from your point

446
00:23:01,413 --> 00:23:01,773
Speaker 2: of view.

447
00:23:01,933 --> 00:23:05,253
Speaker 4: I think obviously Bengla dish being subcontinent has spun a

448
00:23:05,253 --> 00:23:07,613
Speaker 4: lot more than it probably did over here, so I

449
00:23:07,653 --> 00:23:10,253
Speaker 4: think that's probably probably the main thing. And then these

450
00:23:10,253 --> 00:23:12,093
Speaker 4: pictures over here just had a little bit more bounce,

451
00:23:12,373 --> 00:23:14,333
Speaker 4: a little bit more pace to them. So yeah, I

452
00:23:14,333 --> 00:23:16,053
Speaker 4: guess it's awesome to be able to go on to

453
00:23:16,133 --> 00:23:19,773
Speaker 4: different tours like that and get ultimately two different conditions

454
00:23:19,813 --> 00:23:22,893
Speaker 4: to practice and I try a debt your game to.

455
00:23:23,493 --> 00:23:27,413
Speaker 2: They seemed to well. They have probably strengthen pace bowling

456
00:23:27,453 --> 00:23:33,213
Speaker 2: more so than spin bowling, which is slightly different than Bangladesh.

457
00:23:33,253 --> 00:23:35,853
Speaker 2: Have you had anything that you've wanted to work on

458
00:23:35,893 --> 00:23:40,333
Speaker 2: in terms of either pace or spin that you've found

459
00:23:40,373 --> 00:23:41,693
Speaker 2: difficult in the past to score on.

460
00:23:41,853 --> 00:23:44,413
Speaker 4: I think bringing sweeps in for spin was a massive thing,

461
00:23:44,493 --> 00:23:46,213
Speaker 4: especially going over to being the dish, being able to

462
00:23:46,213 --> 00:23:49,613
Speaker 4: have gets to get out of jail shot I guess

463
00:23:49,653 --> 00:23:52,213
Speaker 4: to go to. So I think that's probably that's probably

464
00:23:52,213 --> 00:23:54,413
Speaker 4: the biggest thing leading into these two tours.

465
00:23:54,573 --> 00:23:58,613
Speaker 2: What would you put down to you've learned from these

466
00:23:58,653 --> 00:24:03,333
Speaker 2: tours so far this year because there's a lot of

467
00:24:03,653 --> 00:24:05,973
Speaker 2: intense cricket and a short space of time, isn't it.

468
00:24:06,333 --> 00:24:08,013
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the biggest thing, to be honest is

469
00:24:08,373 --> 00:24:11,373
Speaker 4: switching off when I can. I'm quite intense around the

470
00:24:11,693 --> 00:24:14,693
Speaker 4: cricket front, so I think switching off when I can

471
00:24:14,773 --> 00:24:17,213
Speaker 4: and ultimately trying to be fresh as possible. So, as

472
00:24:17,213 --> 00:24:19,413
Speaker 4: you said, there's a lot of cricket crammed into a

473
00:24:19,413 --> 00:24:21,373
Speaker 4: pretty short amount of time these days.

474
00:24:21,413 --> 00:24:26,373
Speaker 2: So yeah, what's what's your personal feeling when you score

475
00:24:26,413 --> 00:24:29,733
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety? Is that a special number, the

476
00:24:29,813 --> 00:24:31,933
Speaker 2: figures motivate you or is it just doing your job

477
00:24:31,973 --> 00:24:32,413
Speaker 2: for the team.

478
00:24:33,173 --> 00:24:35,573
Speaker 4: It's always nice to get a big score, but I

479
00:24:35,613 --> 00:24:38,013
Speaker 4: think it always comes back to I guess what the

480
00:24:38,053 --> 00:24:40,453
Speaker 4: team kind of needs at that sort of time, and

481
00:24:40,493 --> 00:24:42,293
Speaker 4: for me it was obviously just trying to bat as

482
00:24:42,293 --> 00:24:44,973
Speaker 4: big and as big and as long as as possible.

483
00:24:45,013 --> 00:24:48,653
Speaker 2: Then, how did the players feel individually about what you've done?

484
00:24:48,693 --> 00:24:51,773
Speaker 2: I mean the success of beating them one neurl and

485
00:24:51,813 --> 00:24:55,853
Speaker 2: holding off and surviving the last day which was another

486
00:24:55,933 --> 00:24:58,533
Speaker 2: outstanding performance because Ruce s Murray who got another one

487
00:24:58,613 --> 00:25:01,893
Speaker 2: hundred as well. How are the players feeling about the result.

488
00:25:02,133 --> 00:25:04,253
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's awesome. I think it was really trip. We

489
00:25:04,293 --> 00:25:07,453
Speaker 4: always pride ourselves on four day crickets, so it's awesome

490
00:25:07,493 --> 00:25:10,013
Speaker 4: to get a serious and Bangladesh and then come here

491
00:25:10,813 --> 00:25:13,293
Speaker 4: and do the same thing in foreign conditions.

492
00:25:13,493 --> 00:25:14,853
Speaker 2: It's been a hell of a winter for you.

493
00:25:14,933 --> 00:25:17,013
Speaker 4: Yeah, it has been all over the place. I was

494
00:25:17,053 --> 00:25:20,293
Speaker 4: obviously in Bangladesh and then being in the UK, had

495
00:25:20,293 --> 00:25:22,853
Speaker 4: a trip to Guyana as well for a few weeks

496
00:25:22,893 --> 00:25:26,493
Speaker 4: in there, so I've definitely got my ear miles up indeed.

497
00:25:27,013 --> 00:25:28,813
Speaker 2: So were you playing in the UK?

498
00:25:29,093 --> 00:25:30,653
Speaker 4: Yeah, playing in the UK for a little bit.

499
00:25:30,573 --> 00:25:32,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, with what a club side?

500
00:25:32,813 --> 00:25:34,413
Speaker 4: Yeah, just playing some club stuff over there.

501
00:25:34,533 --> 00:25:38,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Diana of course was the central District's a

502
00:25:38,213 --> 00:25:40,693
Speaker 2: prize for winning the twenty, wasn't it.

503
00:25:40,813 --> 00:25:43,053
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, that was an awesome trip. It was very

504
00:25:43,053 --> 00:25:43,413
Speaker 4: good fun.

505
00:25:43,613 --> 00:25:45,253
Speaker 2: So now you come home and you've got a full

506
00:25:45,293 --> 00:25:49,293
Speaker 2: season to go, and I imagine the push for you

507
00:25:49,333 --> 00:25:52,893
Speaker 2: will be to try and gain international selection in one

508
00:25:53,013 --> 00:25:53,653
Speaker 2: form or another.

509
00:25:54,173 --> 00:25:56,733
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think ultimately that's that's the goal. But I

510
00:25:56,733 --> 00:25:59,333
Speaker 4: think if I just keep trying to do my process

511
00:25:59,373 --> 00:26:02,013
Speaker 4: as well, I'm trying to develop my game, get better,

512
00:26:02,973 --> 00:26:05,533
Speaker 4: hopefully that stuff that stuff comes, but I'm not really

513
00:26:05,533 --> 00:26:07,893
Speaker 4: too too worried about that, just trying to focus on

514
00:26:08,013 --> 00:26:08,933
Speaker 4: what I control.

515
00:26:09,413 --> 00:26:13,053
Speaker 2: Congratulations on what you've been able to achieve, Curtis. The

516
00:26:13,053 --> 00:26:16,093
Speaker 2: figures look good, and it's not always about figures those

517
00:26:16,133 --> 00:26:18,653
Speaker 2: and it's about what you're able to do for the team.

518
00:26:19,213 --> 00:26:21,573
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally. I think that's the biggest thing. Team boys.

519
00:26:21,733 --> 00:26:22,893
Speaker 4: Bloways comes first.

520
00:26:22,933 --> 00:26:25,413
Speaker 2: Thanks Curtis, and nice to have had you on the

521
00:26:25,413 --> 00:26:29,773
Speaker 2: front foot with us. And during this side has performed

522
00:26:29,933 --> 00:26:34,253
Speaker 2: exceptionally and I've got to say I enjoyed the chance

523
00:26:34,373 --> 00:26:36,133
Speaker 2: to watch it even in the middle of the night

524
00:26:36,653 --> 00:26:41,533
Speaker 2: on the internet. And so they're ringing cricket deserve some

525
00:26:41,573 --> 00:26:43,413
Speaker 2: real credit and they've got a message there for New

526
00:26:43,533 --> 00:26:45,333
Speaker 2: Zealand that we should see a bit more New Zealand

527
00:26:45,333 --> 00:26:49,573
Speaker 2: cricket free to wear on the internet because I saw

528
00:26:49,653 --> 00:26:53,573
Speaker 2: the performances of particularly two of those players, Mario and Heafy.

529
00:26:54,013 --> 00:26:58,373
Speaker 2: And I'm not ignoring Phillips in that regard as players

530
00:26:58,373 --> 00:27:01,853
Speaker 2: who want to bet, they want to occupy the crease,

531
00:27:02,213 --> 00:27:05,813
Speaker 2: they want to play the big long innings, and they've

532
00:27:05,853 --> 00:27:07,653
Speaker 2: done it. They're not just getting to one hundred and

533
00:27:07,653 --> 00:27:11,773
Speaker 2: getting out. Mary, you got a double one hundred and

534
00:27:11,813 --> 00:27:14,333
Speaker 2: twenty four and Heave you got one hundred and ninety.

535
00:27:14,733 --> 00:27:15,533
Speaker 2: Great stuff.

536
00:27:15,933 --> 00:27:18,613
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's what Graham Goots used to refer to as

537
00:27:18,613 --> 00:27:22,693
Speaker 5: getting a granddaddy hundred, wasn't it? Get what that really matters,

538
00:27:22,733 --> 00:27:24,893
Speaker 5: Get to it, don't worry about the hundred, Get to

539
00:27:24,973 --> 00:27:29,213
Speaker 5: these big totals that you've just been describing. Yeah, it's

540
00:27:29,253 --> 00:27:33,213
Speaker 5: really pleasing, isn't it to see some of the younger

541
00:27:33,253 --> 00:27:37,973
Speaker 5: men being able to adapt the way they play and

542
00:27:38,213 --> 00:27:42,293
Speaker 5: remain at the crease for so long and obviously have

543
00:27:42,533 --> 00:27:45,773
Speaker 5: the sort of the skills that's required to stay at

544
00:27:45,813 --> 00:27:49,333
Speaker 5: the crease as well as shots as well. You can't

545
00:27:49,373 --> 00:27:52,093
Speaker 5: be opening in all forms of the game now without

546
00:27:52,133 --> 00:27:56,573
Speaker 5: having shots. So but just that reliance on defense and

547
00:27:56,653 --> 00:28:00,213
Speaker 5: technique and judging the line of the length of ball.

548
00:28:00,293 --> 00:28:05,093
Speaker 5: In particular, I thought the one nil was, you know,

549
00:28:05,133 --> 00:28:10,413
Speaker 5: on another decent pitch at Benoni. From this group, terrific

550
00:28:10,453 --> 00:28:14,293
Speaker 5: effort when you look at it was with Mariu you've mentioned,

551
00:28:14,693 --> 00:28:18,173
Speaker 5: he had just had a chat to Heafi Phillips you've

552
00:28:18,213 --> 00:28:21,653
Speaker 5: mentioned as well. Abas got a few runs. He didn't

553
00:28:21,653 --> 00:28:23,893
Speaker 5: get a big ease that we've been talking about, but

554
00:28:23,973 --> 00:28:27,573
Speaker 5: he was getting thirties and forties. He had probably wanted.

555
00:28:27,613 --> 00:28:29,693
Speaker 5: He's got to be able to do that as well,

556
00:28:29,733 --> 00:28:31,973
Speaker 5: of course, and then it was a kind of a

557
00:28:32,053 --> 00:28:42,453
Speaker 5: group of yeah, hey folks, keen and now Lenox very

558
00:28:42,573 --> 00:28:48,053
Speaker 5: very handy lower order runs. I mean Lenox, that innings

559
00:28:48,093 --> 00:28:50,653
Speaker 5: of his, just the importance of it and that lower

560
00:28:50,813 --> 00:28:55,173
Speaker 5: order he he went into bat and I think New

561
00:28:55,293 --> 00:28:59,533
Speaker 5: Zealand eight for three hundred about three ten something like that,

562
00:29:00,453 --> 00:29:02,413
Speaker 5: and they put on the last two wickets put on

563
00:29:02,413 --> 00:29:06,093
Speaker 5: one hundred and seventy runs. I mean that is that

564
00:29:06,293 --> 00:29:09,693
Speaker 5: kills you in the fields. And of course if they'd

565
00:29:09,693 --> 00:29:14,013
Speaker 5: have been bowled out quickly then that would have meant

566
00:29:14,053 --> 00:29:17,573
Speaker 5: obviously less runs, but also loads more time for South

567
00:29:17,613 --> 00:29:20,333
Speaker 5: Africa to bowl New Zealand day out again and that

568
00:29:20,333 --> 00:29:23,333
Speaker 5: would have been a very familiar feeling as the first

569
00:29:23,373 --> 00:29:28,693
Speaker 5: game was. And so you know, that was an outstanding

570
00:29:28,733 --> 00:29:32,413
Speaker 5: effort from Lenox. I mean we've talked about, you know,

571
00:29:32,653 --> 00:29:38,013
Speaker 5: Curtis Heapey of course, but that was terrific and the

572
00:29:38,053 --> 00:29:42,213
Speaker 5: importance of those runs, those lower order runs. And right

573
00:29:42,253 --> 00:29:46,893
Speaker 5: throughout this tour we've seen Haget run seventies and Folks

574
00:29:46,933 --> 00:29:51,533
Speaker 5: has got seventies and fifties. Keen has got forties quite quickly.

575
00:29:52,013 --> 00:29:53,973
Speaker 5: He needs to work a bit more in his bowling now,

576
00:29:53,973 --> 00:29:55,853
Speaker 5: doesn't he. We'd love to see him coming through with

577
00:29:55,933 --> 00:29:59,693
Speaker 5: some wickets, but gee, as he developed his batting and

578
00:29:59,733 --> 00:30:02,453
Speaker 5: then as I mentioned, just Lenox, So all those are

579
00:30:02,453 --> 00:30:05,333
Speaker 5: good things. I think. The other thing I think from

580
00:30:05,413 --> 00:30:09,333
Speaker 5: this team I saw we saw good seam bowling from

581
00:30:09,333 --> 00:30:13,973
Speaker 5: Fisher in game one. We saw the use of spin bowling,

582
00:30:14,613 --> 00:30:19,293
Speaker 5: a lot of spin bowling, lots of overs for Ashok

583
00:30:20,053 --> 00:30:24,573
Speaker 5: and for Lenox, they're given that chance and if they're smart,

584
00:30:24,893 --> 00:30:28,013
Speaker 5: they've got to be getting better and so I think

585
00:30:28,733 --> 00:30:32,133
Speaker 5: that's extremely important in the development of our spinners. Look

586
00:30:32,133 --> 00:30:37,013
Speaker 5: at England England basically haven't got spinners really at the moment,

587
00:30:37,533 --> 00:30:41,613
Speaker 5: not really, and we are starting to develop a couple

588
00:30:41,693 --> 00:30:45,613
Speaker 5: coming through now, so that's all good news. And in fact,

589
00:30:45,813 --> 00:30:48,533
Speaker 5: they took nine wickets I think in the first match

590
00:30:48,533 --> 00:30:51,733
Speaker 5: and five and the second, so there's fourteen wickets and

591
00:30:51,773 --> 00:30:55,133
Speaker 5: two of those three innings they played and were first innings,

592
00:30:55,453 --> 00:30:58,973
Speaker 5: so that's a good effort I think from them. So

593
00:30:59,693 --> 00:31:03,173
Speaker 5: those are the important things I think for me, the

594
00:31:03,253 --> 00:31:06,053
Speaker 5: two when you look at it, yeah, I think, okay,

595
00:31:06,093 --> 00:31:10,013
Speaker 5: we were well beaten in the second a short format

596
00:31:10,013 --> 00:31:12,853
Speaker 5: and the ODI it was reasonably close in the first.

597
00:31:12,893 --> 00:31:14,573
Speaker 5: We got a bit lucky in the last one with

598
00:31:14,653 --> 00:31:18,813
Speaker 5: a DLS, but chased down three hundred and ten to

599
00:31:18,853 --> 00:31:23,693
Speaker 5: the winness that match with a DLS resounding winning the

600
00:31:23,733 --> 00:31:27,773
Speaker 5: first one four day and then a solid draw two

601
00:31:27,853 --> 00:31:32,973
Speaker 5: hundred plus ahead. Was six wickets remaining in that last match,

602
00:31:33,573 --> 00:31:36,813
Speaker 5: so there was an opportunity there to push on. Even

603
00:31:36,853 --> 00:31:39,253
Speaker 5: if you had a fifth day, they could have gone on.

604
00:31:39,733 --> 00:31:41,613
Speaker 5: Who knows to see what the result would have been.

605
00:31:41,653 --> 00:31:46,293
Speaker 5: So overall you've got to rate that a success that too.

606
00:31:46,373 --> 00:31:50,333
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, exciting stuff for the future. Yeah, I

607
00:31:50,333 --> 00:31:52,213
Speaker 2: guess it's a bit to be done in terms of

608
00:31:52,253 --> 00:31:55,133
Speaker 2: the bowling. But it quite clearly when you look at

609
00:31:55,133 --> 00:31:58,373
Speaker 2: the tables the batsman. The batsman enjoyed conditions and you

610
00:31:58,413 --> 00:32:01,213
Speaker 2: know the South African A you know, also had some

611
00:32:01,253 --> 00:32:06,573
Speaker 2: big scorers. The brothers who scored the captain scored pretty

612
00:32:06,573 --> 00:32:10,453
Speaker 2: big as well. Great two. I think that to me

613
00:32:10,653 --> 00:32:13,573
Speaker 2: is and we've talked about it over the last three

614
00:32:13,653 --> 00:32:15,933
Speaker 2: or four or five years, haven't we about the need

615
00:32:16,253 --> 00:32:18,813
Speaker 2: to give these A players more cricket. We need to

616
00:32:18,813 --> 00:32:20,453
Speaker 2: just give them more Test matches now, don't we?

617
00:32:20,773 --> 00:32:24,013
Speaker 5: Totally? Yeah, and really it could have been a bigger total.

618
00:32:24,093 --> 00:32:26,573
Speaker 5: Carter had to bat about number nine or ten, didn't

619
00:32:26,573 --> 00:32:29,893
Speaker 5: he in the first innings. He must have been unwell

620
00:32:30,013 --> 00:32:32,693
Speaker 5: or something must have happened to bat down there at

621
00:32:32,693 --> 00:32:35,493
Speaker 5: the captain and then I wondered what I looked also

622
00:32:35,653 --> 00:32:38,773
Speaker 5: at Lister who only bowld six overs. Was he injured

623
00:32:38,813 --> 00:32:41,533
Speaker 5: at all? Because it meant that Clarkson came in as

624
00:32:41,613 --> 00:32:44,813
Speaker 5: number three. They looked a little bit light on the bowling.

625
00:32:45,293 --> 00:32:48,853
Speaker 5: Maybe certainly as soon as Listen only bowled six overs,

626
00:32:49,173 --> 00:32:50,613
Speaker 5: I was a bit surprised at that.

627
00:32:51,053 --> 00:32:53,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he might have been ill in the

628
00:32:53,573 --> 00:32:56,653
Speaker 2: in the first game. It's hard to know from Afar,

629
00:32:56,973 --> 00:33:00,813
Speaker 2: but yeah, you know, I think he's a player who

630
00:33:00,893 --> 00:33:04,813
Speaker 2: still needs to be persisted with. You and I both

631
00:33:04,853 --> 00:33:08,693
Speaker 2: agree that the left armor is still no yet important

632
00:33:08,773 --> 00:33:13,253
Speaker 2: part of our selections. He is a very useful left armor.

633
00:33:13,653 --> 00:33:16,413
Speaker 2: But all in all, you know, you're sitting back here

634
00:33:16,453 --> 00:33:19,293
Speaker 2: as a selector and a coach of the Black Caps

635
00:33:19,373 --> 00:33:21,053
Speaker 2: and you've got to look at those guys and say,

636
00:33:21,413 --> 00:33:23,973
Speaker 2: we've got players who can slot in. They're going to

637
00:33:23,973 --> 00:33:27,093
Speaker 2: put pressure on our boys at the top and there's

638
00:33:27,133 --> 00:33:32,733
Speaker 2: no holding back on that. That's brilliant for the upcoming season.

639
00:33:32,773 --> 00:33:36,693
Speaker 2: Hopefully they get opportunities. You know, those nineteen tests are

640
00:33:36,693 --> 00:33:39,293
Speaker 2: going to play between now in March. You know, going

641
00:33:39,333 --> 00:33:40,933
Speaker 2: to give them plenty of opportunities.

642
00:33:42,653 --> 00:33:46,853
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, ill looking at grumbling. Bit of grumbling from

643
00:33:46,853 --> 00:33:52,013
Speaker 5: Wellington there everybody, he's had a tough day, windy outside.

644
00:33:52,013 --> 00:33:53,133
Speaker 5: He can't do the lawns.

645
00:33:53,453 --> 00:33:56,293
Speaker 2: Oh no, but I've got I've got ice water to

646
00:33:56,493 --> 00:34:00,813
Speaker 2: look after. The most important thing. Look, there's been so

647
00:34:00,973 --> 00:34:05,813
Speaker 2: much news from overseas, I'm not sure what is most significant.

648
00:34:06,173 --> 00:34:07,653
Speaker 2: I think next week we're going to have to look

649
00:34:07,653 --> 00:34:10,613
Speaker 2: at the England side for the Ashes series, because that's

650
00:34:10,733 --> 00:34:13,493
Speaker 2: about to come out and we can have a discussion

651
00:34:13,653 --> 00:34:17,333
Speaker 2: with that. I think most Peter Holland wants to join

652
00:34:17,413 --> 00:34:19,173
Speaker 2: us for that side. I think we can lock them

653
00:34:19,173 --> 00:34:23,453
Speaker 2: in for that, and there's an issue about the program.

654
00:34:23,693 --> 00:34:26,213
Speaker 2: But one of the things that we talked about in

655
00:34:27,773 --> 00:34:30,973
Speaker 2: passing terms a while ago was the fact that in

656
00:34:31,173 --> 00:34:37,613
Speaker 2: one day games they've discarded the two white ball rule

657
00:34:38,573 --> 00:34:42,213
Speaker 2: in ODI's and at the thirty fourth over, at the

658
00:34:42,293 --> 00:34:44,533
Speaker 2: end of the thirty fourth over, from overs thirty five

659
00:34:44,613 --> 00:34:49,173
Speaker 2: to fifty, they're only having one and the bowling team

660
00:34:49,213 --> 00:34:52,693
Speaker 2: will choose one of the two balls they've used, which

661
00:34:52,733 --> 00:34:56,573
Speaker 2: they will use for the last fifteen overs at both ends. Now,

662
00:34:57,333 --> 00:35:00,453
Speaker 2: I mean the initial rules because the quality of the

663
00:35:00,493 --> 00:35:04,973
Speaker 2: balls didn't last fifty overs, as I recall it. Now,

664
00:35:05,013 --> 00:35:08,973
Speaker 2: are they saying that it does and they want the

665
00:35:09,013 --> 00:35:11,213
Speaker 2: best ball that will swing? Is that what they want?

666
00:35:11,253 --> 00:35:13,373
Speaker 2: Do they want the ball to swing in the last

667
00:35:13,413 --> 00:35:15,933
Speaker 2: fifteen overs? Are they trying to do something for the bowlers?

668
00:35:17,413 --> 00:35:17,533
Speaker 6: Oh?

669
00:35:17,573 --> 00:35:22,733
Speaker 5: I think they are. Originally it was, as you point out,

670
00:35:22,773 --> 00:35:27,333
Speaker 5: ball deterioration, wasn't it. It was visibility for the batsman was

671
00:35:27,373 --> 00:35:32,733
Speaker 5: an issue. Of course, Now with two balls that means

672
00:35:32,733 --> 00:35:35,773
Speaker 5: you're only bowling sevent You've only bowled seventeen, haven't you,

673
00:35:35,893 --> 00:35:40,053
Speaker 5: not thirty not thirty four as in the past, and

674
00:35:40,133 --> 00:35:44,213
Speaker 5: you once you add on the further sixteen that you've

675
00:35:44,213 --> 00:35:46,733
Speaker 5: got to bowl, then in that case you're only going

676
00:35:46,773 --> 00:35:48,773
Speaker 5: to beat to thirty three, aren't you by the end.

677
00:35:48,813 --> 00:35:51,733
Speaker 5: And I guess it's clear they want to even up

678
00:35:51,733 --> 00:35:57,293
Speaker 5: the equation between bat and ball at the stage I wonder,

679
00:35:59,013 --> 00:36:05,933
Speaker 5: I wonder whether sides will attack more before does it

680
00:36:06,013 --> 00:36:08,733
Speaker 5: the change to let that last man, that fifty man

681
00:36:08,773 --> 00:36:12,733
Speaker 5: outside the circle wards? Because in thirty over thirty four

682
00:36:12,773 --> 00:36:17,773
Speaker 5: you'll only have four men allowed out, and so you've

683
00:36:17,813 --> 00:36:22,573
Speaker 5: got those six overs until over forty before you might

684
00:36:22,693 --> 00:36:24,933
Speaker 5: see a little bit of reverse swing of someone's good

685
00:36:25,013 --> 00:36:28,493
Speaker 5: enough at it, and you've only got those four men out.

686
00:36:29,373 --> 00:36:34,413
Speaker 5: And I wonder whether they will continue to manipulate the

687
00:36:34,453 --> 00:36:40,693
Speaker 5: ball which people complain about, or will they attack. I

688
00:36:40,813 --> 00:36:45,173
Speaker 5: must say for me, I'm a wee bit disappointed that

689
00:36:46,733 --> 00:36:51,533
Speaker 5: I haven't seen more attacking earlier on in an ODI

690
00:36:53,173 --> 00:36:56,333
Speaker 5: with all the T twenty matches that they've played for

691
00:36:56,413 --> 00:37:00,573
Speaker 5: nearly twenty years now, nearly twenty years, you know that

692
00:37:00,613 --> 00:37:03,773
Speaker 5: it's been going, They've had enough time in practice and

693
00:37:03,813 --> 00:37:07,093
Speaker 5: coaching and all that sort of thing, both to hit

694
00:37:07,133 --> 00:37:09,693
Speaker 5: the ball on the off side and the on side

695
00:37:09,933 --> 00:37:14,693
Speaker 5: through the air. And so from twenty five to forty overs,

696
00:37:15,693 --> 00:37:18,693
Speaker 5: there's no reason to me to have considered kind of

697
00:37:18,733 --> 00:37:23,693
Speaker 5: attack rather than all out building of run single single

698
00:37:23,813 --> 00:37:28,653
Speaker 5: single and the better players getting two's. I'm not suggesting

699
00:37:28,653 --> 00:37:32,093
Speaker 5: of the picture's tricky. I'm not suggesting if they've lost

700
00:37:32,133 --> 00:37:36,933
Speaker 5: early wickets, like they're three down quite quickly, but if

701
00:37:36,973 --> 00:37:41,253
Speaker 5: one or two down max both men are in, you

702
00:37:41,373 --> 00:37:45,333
Speaker 5: might have a fifth and a sixth bowler operating. Show

703
00:37:45,373 --> 00:37:49,293
Speaker 5: us your skills, show us how you are able to

704
00:37:49,453 --> 00:37:51,853
Speaker 5: hit the ball between There might be a man at

705
00:37:51,853 --> 00:37:54,533
Speaker 5: long on. There might be a man at backward square.

706
00:37:55,173 --> 00:37:56,893
Speaker 5: Now that leaves a hell of a lot of gap

707
00:37:56,933 --> 00:37:59,973
Speaker 5: on the on side. And normally there's a wide third

708
00:38:00,013 --> 00:38:03,973
Speaker 5: man and a long off there's hardly ever a deep

709
00:38:04,013 --> 00:38:07,813
Speaker 5: extra cover. Now there's an area you can attack as well.

710
00:38:08,373 --> 00:38:11,493
Speaker 5: I'd like to see sensible. As I said, the word

711
00:38:11,613 --> 00:38:17,453
Speaker 5: was considered attack during those periods if you want to

712
00:38:17,453 --> 00:38:20,933
Speaker 5: do so right, And I think that an area of

713
00:38:20,973 --> 00:38:24,573
Speaker 5: the game, the one day game would benefit from so

714
00:38:24,693 --> 00:38:28,813
Speaker 5: that you build your total earlier, and you build a

715
00:38:28,853 --> 00:38:33,173
Speaker 5: competitive total earlier because you might find reverse swing. And

716
00:38:33,253 --> 00:38:38,213
Speaker 5: you remember when when was he Macram and co Were

717
00:38:38,253 --> 00:38:41,973
Speaker 5: bowling and waka the last five overs when they came

718
00:38:42,013 --> 00:38:46,093
Speaker 5: back were murderous and you couldn't get your runs at

719
00:38:46,093 --> 00:38:47,933
Speaker 5: that stage of an innings. You got to build your

720
00:38:47,933 --> 00:38:50,053
Speaker 5: total before they come in.

721
00:38:50,653 --> 00:38:53,733
Speaker 2: We don't see that now, do we, in terms of

722
00:38:54,333 --> 00:38:57,493
Speaker 2: that down the order bowlers. But when the game has

723
00:38:57,573 --> 00:38:59,293
Speaker 2: changed to it at the top of the order, when

724
00:38:59,613 --> 00:39:02,213
Speaker 2: you know Mark grape bats started way back in the

725
00:39:02,293 --> 00:39:06,253
Speaker 2: nineties and the game had big pinch hitters. The Sri

726
00:39:06,333 --> 00:39:09,453
Speaker 2: Lankan guy who was there that you going from. We

727
00:39:09,493 --> 00:39:15,573
Speaker 2: don't see that now. We see a more organized approach

728
00:39:15,693 --> 00:39:18,173
Speaker 2: your top order, not trying to give away too many

729
00:39:18,213 --> 00:39:20,813
Speaker 2: early wickets so that you can build your partnerships. And

730
00:39:20,853 --> 00:39:24,053
Speaker 2: still three hundred four hundred pluses being scored, isn't it?

731
00:39:24,133 --> 00:39:28,013
Speaker 2: So the game has changed in terms of the theory.

732
00:39:28,373 --> 00:39:31,613
Speaker 2: The theory is about what is good for the one

733
00:39:31,693 --> 00:39:34,493
Speaker 2: day game, and I find that quite exciting.

734
00:39:35,893 --> 00:39:38,013
Speaker 5: Look, I'm not saying I'm board with it at all.

735
00:39:38,053 --> 00:39:41,853
Speaker 5: I quite enjoy the way players can can build their

736
00:39:41,893 --> 00:39:44,173
Speaker 5: totals and how quickly they can do it what not

737
00:39:44,293 --> 00:39:47,013
Speaker 5: with big shots. I think if there was one change

738
00:39:47,053 --> 00:39:50,573
Speaker 5: to making in cricket for me, I'd have a smaller bat.

739
00:39:51,453 --> 00:39:54,053
Speaker 5: I'd like a smaller bats to be used, and I'd

740
00:39:54,093 --> 00:39:56,093
Speaker 5: like the grounds to be pushed out a little bit.

741
00:39:56,693 --> 00:40:00,373
Speaker 5: And because a six a six to me is an event.

742
00:40:01,333 --> 00:40:03,373
Speaker 5: It's an event that as you leave the ground you

743
00:40:03,413 --> 00:40:07,253
Speaker 5: see you've seen three or four sixer's max in the

744
00:40:07,333 --> 00:40:12,253
Speaker 5: day's rather than fifteen or sixteen of them. I'm sorry,

745
00:40:12,573 --> 00:40:16,013
Speaker 5: it's not an event any longer. People are just sort

746
00:40:16,013 --> 00:40:18,253
Speaker 5: of waiting for the next one, do you know what

747
00:40:18,253 --> 00:40:23,253
Speaker 5: I mean? But I looked up the top ten ODI

748
00:40:23,453 --> 00:40:26,293
Speaker 5: totals one just as a sort of a just to

749
00:40:26,373 --> 00:40:30,613
Speaker 5: see what they were. There are all ten of them

750
00:40:30,613 --> 00:40:33,853
Speaker 5: are in the four hundreds, as you'd probably expect as

751
00:40:33,853 --> 00:40:36,813
Speaker 5: you were just saying four to twenty eight is the lowest,

752
00:40:37,453 --> 00:40:45,013
Speaker 5: the tenth and four ninety eight the highest. And you

753
00:40:45,053 --> 00:40:50,573
Speaker 5: know five of those ten have come from either Emstelvene

754
00:40:50,693 --> 00:40:57,893
Speaker 5: where you play the Netherlands, or at trent Bridge, Nottingham

755
00:40:58,293 --> 00:41:02,493
Speaker 5: and joe Burg. Those are the most run giving grounds

756
00:41:02,573 --> 00:41:06,373
Speaker 5: if you like conceding runs, and then that's so that's

757
00:41:06,413 --> 00:41:11,213
Speaker 5: three five seven of them one Cady Mackay in Australia

758
00:41:11,493 --> 00:41:15,573
Speaker 5: and Delhi. So those are the the ten most expensive

759
00:41:15,613 --> 00:41:19,933
Speaker 5: grounds at the stage. So it's interesting that it is.

760
00:41:20,013 --> 00:41:23,453
Speaker 5: And if you look at the last it's say, you

761
00:41:23,573 --> 00:41:28,053
Speaker 5: go by decades. When we're in the nineteen eighties, the

762
00:41:28,133 --> 00:41:31,733
Speaker 5: run rate was four point three runs and over, so

763
00:41:32,613 --> 00:41:34,573
Speaker 5: you know you're getting up to two hundred to two

764
00:41:34,693 --> 00:41:38,573
Speaker 5: hundred and twenty that kind of member those days, and

765
00:41:38,693 --> 00:41:40,293
Speaker 5: you got two thirteen and you thought you had a

766
00:41:40,293 --> 00:41:41,133
Speaker 5: pretty good total.

767
00:41:42,053 --> 00:41:42,813
Speaker 7: Now ed it?

768
00:41:43,613 --> 00:41:46,413
Speaker 5: What do you reckon it is now in the twenty twenties.

769
00:41:47,133 --> 00:41:52,413
Speaker 2: No, I'll bout to your again, right.

770
00:41:52,973 --> 00:41:55,893
Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you it's five point two five point

771
00:41:55,893 --> 00:42:00,653
Speaker 5: two eight, and so it's it hasn't gone in fact,

772
00:42:00,693 --> 00:42:04,173
Speaker 5: the two hundreds to from two thousand to two thy

773
00:42:04,333 --> 00:42:08,053
Speaker 5: and ten it was four point eight, so it hasn't

774
00:42:08,053 --> 00:42:12,253
Speaker 5: gone that far since since the year two thousand. It's

775
00:42:12,293 --> 00:42:12,813
Speaker 5: interesting that.

776
00:42:12,933 --> 00:42:16,773
Speaker 2: Is to eighty yeah to seventy two eight. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

777
00:42:16,853 --> 00:42:20,933
Speaker 2: I think that that seems to you know, sit in

778
00:42:20,933 --> 00:42:23,613
Speaker 2: my mind as you know where most games are. But

779
00:42:23,733 --> 00:42:26,013
Speaker 2: there are a lot of bigger innings as well, because

780
00:42:26,013 --> 00:42:27,973
Speaker 2: I mean you're talking about the average, aren't you say

781
00:42:27,973 --> 00:42:30,493
Speaker 2: there's some big tatles. Yeah, but you're also having some

782
00:42:30,573 --> 00:42:31,533
Speaker 2: smaller tatles.

783
00:42:32,533 --> 00:42:36,853
Speaker 5: Yeah. The well, the best game I looked at was

784
00:42:36,893 --> 00:42:40,573
Speaker 5: actually Ozzie versus South Africa in joe Burg. One of

785
00:42:40,613 --> 00:42:46,213
Speaker 5: those three games there, Ozzie made. Ossie made four hundred

786
00:42:46,213 --> 00:42:47,093
Speaker 5: and thirty four.

787
00:42:47,893 --> 00:42:48,213
Speaker 2: Yeah.

788
00:42:48,453 --> 00:42:51,933
Speaker 5: First, yeah, having guess who've got one hundred and sixty

789
00:42:51,973 --> 00:42:57,573
Speaker 5: Ponting Pussy got an eighty and Katich Simon Kattich got

790
00:42:57,613 --> 00:43:01,893
Speaker 5: seventy odds so and then South Africa four thirty five

791
00:43:02,013 --> 00:43:02,573
Speaker 5: for nine.

792
00:43:03,253 --> 00:43:03,813
Speaker 2: Yeah.

793
00:43:04,413 --> 00:43:08,533
Speaker 5: That's not about claimers, it I mean, and Gibbs Gibbs

794
00:43:08,613 --> 00:43:12,693
Speaker 5: one seventy five batting at number three, yeah, and South

795
00:43:12,733 --> 00:43:15,173
Speaker 5: Africa opening the bating got ninety. Yeah.

796
00:43:15,253 --> 00:43:17,373
Speaker 2: I went to South Africa after that and they were

797
00:43:17,373 --> 00:43:20,453
Speaker 2: selling T shirts with the scoreboard on the front of

798
00:43:20,493 --> 00:43:24,053
Speaker 2: the T shirt. That would be good Lewis who got

799
00:43:24,613 --> 00:43:29,533
Speaker 2: none for one hundred and twelve or something. Yeah, amazing stuff.

800
00:43:29,653 --> 00:43:29,893
Speaker 1: Yeah.

801
00:43:30,013 --> 00:43:32,053
Speaker 2: I've still got the T shirt too. Smells a bit,

802
00:43:32,293 --> 00:43:37,173
Speaker 2: but I know, oh, well that's all right. So yeah.

803
00:43:35,893 --> 00:43:42,093
Speaker 5: I think the fact that this rule of changing to

804
00:43:42,173 --> 00:43:45,453
Speaker 5: one ball a I think the other reason that Batsman

805
00:43:45,493 --> 00:43:47,773
Speaker 5: wanted to change it because they wanted a harder ball

806
00:43:48,293 --> 00:43:50,773
Speaker 5: using two balls the whole way. So it's twenty five each,

807
00:43:52,333 --> 00:43:53,933
Speaker 5: means you've got a hard ball to hit at the

808
00:43:54,013 --> 00:43:57,213
Speaker 5: end of the in the overs. And they're now changing

809
00:43:57,253 --> 00:44:00,733
Speaker 5: that just slightly, aren't they. They're changing that so one

810
00:44:00,773 --> 00:44:02,253
Speaker 5: ball is going to be a little bit over and

811
00:44:02,293 --> 00:44:06,653
Speaker 5: get to over thirty three, and I think that might

812
00:44:06,813 --> 00:44:10,173
Speaker 5: just helpt's. Let's wait and see about the judgment, whether

813
00:44:10,213 --> 00:44:14,773
Speaker 5: you can get reverse. Hopefully that will happen because that

814
00:44:14,813 --> 00:44:16,653
Speaker 5: will make it much more interesting as well.

815
00:44:17,253 --> 00:44:19,973
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, well let us know what you think on

816
00:44:20,013 --> 00:44:22,613
Speaker 2: the front foot twenty at gmail dot com. We've had

817
00:44:22,933 --> 00:44:27,613
Speaker 2: a response. We'll get the odd message from listeners, and

818
00:44:27,933 --> 00:44:31,053
Speaker 2: Darren has been in touch with us in the past. Hi, gentleman,

819
00:44:31,173 --> 00:44:33,573
Speaker 2: he says Jerry. I don't know whether he's referring to

820
00:44:33,733 --> 00:44:39,093
Speaker 2: you and I or just more by gentlemen. Yeah, probably, Yeah, Well, Darren,

821
00:44:39,253 --> 00:44:41,213
Speaker 2: Darren starts off on the right way to get its

822
00:44:41,293 --> 00:44:45,493
Speaker 2: message across. Yeah, okay, and he says, I enjoyed your

823
00:44:45,533 --> 00:44:48,733
Speaker 2: podcast on the subject of Test cricket, which is close

824
00:44:48,773 --> 00:44:51,533
Speaker 2: to his heart. I have to totally agree with Mitch Johnson.

825
00:44:51,573 --> 00:44:54,053
Speaker 2: If you remember, Mitchell Johnson had a crack at the

826
00:44:54,173 --> 00:44:58,293
Speaker 2: Chief Executive dervustrating Cricket about saying that the game would

827
00:44:58,293 --> 00:45:01,453
Speaker 2: be bankrupted or some of the countries would be bankrupt

828
00:45:02,453 --> 00:45:07,773
Speaker 2: if they extend Test cricket. And Darren says, the current

829
00:45:07,773 --> 00:45:10,773
Speaker 2: New Zealand A program is so devoid of the test

830
00:45:10,853 --> 00:45:14,653
Speaker 2: match game only three. Well, we've spoken about that. I

831
00:45:14,693 --> 00:45:18,173
Speaker 2: have so many memories of games played New Zealand, victories

832
00:45:18,173 --> 00:45:21,613
Speaker 2: and individual performances. Three games in New Zealand isn't enough.

833
00:45:22,133 --> 00:45:24,493
Speaker 2: It is the type of cricket I resonate with, and

834
00:45:24,533 --> 00:45:27,413
Speaker 2: you remember the games for years afterwards, and the great

835
00:45:27,413 --> 00:45:30,013
Speaker 2: players at showing the skills. And I agree you remember

836
00:45:30,053 --> 00:45:33,533
Speaker 2: tests more than you remember T twenty's or Odie Eyes.

837
00:45:33,813 --> 00:45:35,853
Speaker 2: I love test cricket. I want to see New Zealand

838
00:45:35,893 --> 00:45:39,293
Speaker 2: playing more tests, not less. And I don't buy the

839
00:45:39,533 --> 00:45:43,413
Speaker 2: playing more tests will make some countries broke. Argument, share

840
00:45:43,413 --> 00:45:47,573
Speaker 2: the money around ICC, grow the game, innovate we're necessary,

841
00:45:47,773 --> 00:45:52,373
Speaker 2: and adapt the game to increase the pace. Thanks very much, Darren,

842
00:45:52,653 --> 00:45:55,933
Speaker 2: who signs himself a Matt Henry Jacob Duffy fan. There

843
00:45:55,933 --> 00:45:57,333
Speaker 2: you go. Somebody agrees with that.

844
00:45:58,093 --> 00:46:03,573
Speaker 5: Oh, I think he's a bowler. I think that's limited now, man,

845
00:46:03,653 --> 00:46:06,093
Speaker 5: we will hunt him down. We're coming for you, Darren,

846
00:46:06,613 --> 00:46:07,773
Speaker 5: Yeah exactly.

847
00:46:08,733 --> 00:46:10,973
Speaker 2: But we want his point of view because it just

848
00:46:11,093 --> 00:46:15,413
Speaker 2: highlights the fact that Test cricket is still significant and

849
00:46:15,733 --> 00:46:19,373
Speaker 2: I still believe paramount it doesn't have the money, but

850
00:46:19,493 --> 00:46:23,333
Speaker 2: not everybody's gonna make millions out of T twenty apart

851
00:46:23,373 --> 00:46:27,413
Speaker 2: from the entrepreneurs and the owners in India. But you

852
00:46:27,413 --> 00:46:30,253
Speaker 2: know that there's a man speaking from the heart about

853
00:46:30,293 --> 00:46:34,693
Speaker 2: his love of cricket and Test cricket and we agree.

854
00:46:35,053 --> 00:46:36,973
Speaker 2: I think we'll go and sit and have an orange

855
00:46:37,053 --> 00:46:41,533
Speaker 2: juice over that one, Jerry. And should we give Moosa

856
00:46:41,613 --> 00:46:43,293
Speaker 2: ring and Sev he wants to join us next week?

857
00:46:43,853 --> 00:46:47,573
Speaker 5: That would be fun. Absolutely, Ossi and Os the Aussie

858
00:46:47,853 --> 00:46:50,973
Speaker 5: will they have announced their aside because I think England

859
00:46:51,253 --> 00:46:53,133
Speaker 5: it's coming up next week, isn't it.

860
00:46:53,693 --> 00:46:56,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's almost due to be released. And you know,

861
00:46:57,093 --> 00:47:01,933
Speaker 2: Brendan McCallum's point of view believes that the bas ball

862
00:47:04,053 --> 00:47:11,333
Speaker 2: style of play is not being used affliated, yeah, not

863
00:47:11,453 --> 00:47:16,013
Speaker 2: appreciated and certainly by Bears. So we'll wait and see.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, well Derek, Yeah, all right mate, well, if

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Speaker 2: Will they No, it'll be it'll be a couple of

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Speaker 2: twelve days away, yeah, yeah, I'll be right. Enjoy yourself,

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Speaker 2: face the wind, and you'll be sweet. Airs.

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Speaker 5: We'll do once. I'll be blunting backwards. So I'll work

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Speaker 2: Already a good way.

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