1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk Sat B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:17,693 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:19,453 --> 00:00:24,493 Speaker 2: Take it on as it is out The test is over. 4 00:00:26,733 --> 00:00:29,733 Speaker 3: Couldn't as smokes a beauty It is out. 5 00:00:30,533 --> 00:00:31,093 Speaker 4: Here, you guys. 6 00:00:31,173 --> 00:00:33,613 Speaker 2: Just Delivery has Innum users to Bowl. 7 00:00:35,853 --> 00:00:39,253 Speaker 1: On the front Foot with Brian Ronnell and Jeremy Cody 8 00:00:39,573 --> 00:00:40,533 Speaker 1: powered by News Talk. 9 00:00:40,573 --> 00:00:43,453 Speaker 4: Said B at iHeartRadio. 10 00:00:46,813 --> 00:00:49,293 Speaker 2: Hello, We're back on the front foot. Just like the 11 00:00:49,333 --> 00:00:53,173 Speaker 2: black Cats game one of the Champions Trophy. We analyze 12 00:00:53,173 --> 00:00:56,293 Speaker 2: the outcome and reflect on the previous Winnesday for Pakistan 13 00:00:56,693 --> 00:01:00,013 Speaker 2: and the success in a fifteen a side game against Afghanistan. 14 00:01:00,413 --> 00:01:02,373 Speaker 2: We've also got a chance to recall out one and 15 00:01:02,413 --> 00:01:06,773 Speaker 2: only international tournament title twenty four and a half years ago. 16 00:01:07,693 --> 00:01:13,133 Speaker 2: But THEMS Trophy, what's an emphatic start to that competition. 17 00:01:13,573 --> 00:01:17,773 Speaker 2: Third successive win over Pakistan in their backyard, and the 18 00:01:17,813 --> 00:01:21,253 Speaker 2: third was the most important. It was for real, not 19 00:01:21,373 --> 00:01:24,533 Speaker 2: a warm up game. And that's significant Jeremy Cody, because 20 00:01:24,533 --> 00:01:29,373 Speaker 2: it keeps that confidence up and that winning feeling that 21 00:01:29,413 --> 00:01:31,973 Speaker 2: they are starting to develop and establish. 22 00:01:32,213 --> 00:01:35,693 Speaker 3: Yeah, gooday, I'm a bit knacked from watching it that 23 00:01:35,733 --> 00:01:36,493 Speaker 3: I have to say. 24 00:01:36,573 --> 00:01:37,013 Speaker 5: Last night. 25 00:01:37,053 --> 00:01:39,813 Speaker 3: I don't know how you you managed it, made it. 26 00:01:40,173 --> 00:01:42,533 Speaker 3: I don't know how you're handling the Pakistan ours up 27 00:01:42,573 --> 00:01:46,973 Speaker 3: there in Wellington, but yeah, it was. I enjoyed it. 28 00:01:47,253 --> 00:01:49,773 Speaker 3: I enjoyed it. First point I think I'd like to 29 00:01:49,773 --> 00:01:54,653 Speaker 3: make is the early arrival and in Pakistan and with 30 00:01:54,653 --> 00:01:57,493 Speaker 3: the try series and the warm up game four games. 31 00:01:58,093 --> 00:02:00,773 Speaker 3: I know some of them have toured there recently, and 32 00:02:00,853 --> 00:02:02,933 Speaker 3: some of the young lads, so it's not new to them, 33 00:02:03,413 --> 00:02:09,133 Speaker 3: but it shows and they look match fit to are 34 00:02:09,133 --> 00:02:12,333 Speaker 3: they ready to play? They look as if they're getting 35 00:02:12,333 --> 00:02:15,093 Speaker 3: on with each other too, you know the look they 36 00:02:15,173 --> 00:02:18,733 Speaker 3: look quite content happy. Now that might be winning, well 37 00:02:18,733 --> 00:02:22,173 Speaker 3: that helps, doesn't it. But they look as if they're 38 00:02:22,213 --> 00:02:24,653 Speaker 3: a group. And that's you've got to handle that, I 39 00:02:24,733 --> 00:02:26,613 Speaker 3: guess to the coaching staff. 40 00:02:27,213 --> 00:02:29,373 Speaker 4: And you've got to hand it to Santna. 41 00:02:30,493 --> 00:02:34,213 Speaker 3: I think he looks a chap who's a They feel 42 00:02:34,333 --> 00:02:38,173 Speaker 3: very confident in the decisions that he's making on the field. 43 00:02:39,253 --> 00:02:41,493 Speaker 3: As I say, they're just enjoying each other's company. And 44 00:02:41,493 --> 00:02:45,013 Speaker 3: I think that's really important thing to just mention. Do 45 00:02:45,093 --> 00:02:46,933 Speaker 3: you do you agree with that? Do you think they 46 00:02:47,013 --> 00:02:47,973 Speaker 3: look as if they're getting on? 47 00:02:48,733 --> 00:02:50,613 Speaker 2: Yeah? And That was a point made by Wally Lees 48 00:02:50,693 --> 00:02:52,893 Speaker 2: last week too, wasn't it. You know, you get a 49 00:02:52,933 --> 00:02:55,573 Speaker 2: sense that this is a happy side. They're all on 50 00:02:55,613 --> 00:02:59,373 Speaker 2: the same page, they're all heading the direction and they 51 00:02:59,413 --> 00:03:03,613 Speaker 2: fit in. They're playing sensible cricket. That showed in the 52 00:03:03,733 --> 00:03:08,773 Speaker 2: partnership between Latham and Young, their ability to reast Eberyson 53 00:03:08,813 --> 00:03:11,893 Speaker 2: and eas because for the first twenty five overs they 54 00:03:11,933 --> 00:03:14,693 Speaker 2: weren't looking like three hundred and twenty on the board, were. 55 00:03:14,573 --> 00:03:18,893 Speaker 4: They No, Well, Moose the Traitor. 56 00:03:19,133 --> 00:03:23,493 Speaker 2: Yes, that's Peter Holland, one of our regular contributors. Are Traitor. 57 00:03:24,133 --> 00:03:28,573 Speaker 3: Moose sent me a text yesterday to say, I think 58 00:03:28,613 --> 00:03:30,453 Speaker 3: Pakistan might win this one. 59 00:03:30,973 --> 00:03:32,413 Speaker 4: We've won those other ones. 60 00:03:32,253 --> 00:03:34,773 Speaker 3: So well, and we all know this is a new 61 00:03:34,853 --> 00:03:38,933 Speaker 3: Zealand cricket followers that suddenly the one that matters comes 62 00:03:38,933 --> 00:03:42,213 Speaker 3: along and suddenly someone like fucker Zaman or you know 63 00:03:42,333 --> 00:03:47,053 Speaker 3: Barba or whoever ri Iswan has a magic innings, you know. 64 00:03:47,293 --> 00:03:50,253 Speaker 3: So I must say when we were three down for seventy, 65 00:03:51,413 --> 00:03:54,533 Speaker 3: when Mitchell went out at mid on, I sent him 66 00:03:54,533 --> 00:03:58,413 Speaker 3: a Texas saying here we go, here we go, and 67 00:03:58,493 --> 00:04:05,733 Speaker 3: you're right, we look I thought a busy start. Once 68 00:04:05,773 --> 00:04:10,613 Speaker 3: we were put in on a very dry pitch, and 69 00:04:10,653 --> 00:04:11,133 Speaker 3: you could. 70 00:04:11,013 --> 00:04:12,413 Speaker 4: See that it wasn't easy. 71 00:04:12,533 --> 00:04:16,733 Speaker 3: The variable bounce, you know, and a holding kind of 72 00:04:16,813 --> 00:04:20,413 Speaker 3: surface that you know, if the bowler got it right, 73 00:04:21,213 --> 00:04:23,173 Speaker 3: you had to as a batsman, I think, proceed with 74 00:04:23,213 --> 00:04:27,133 Speaker 3: a bit of caution. If they missed their lenks, yeah, 75 00:04:27,213 --> 00:04:30,493 Speaker 3: or their line. You cashed in if you could. And 76 00:04:30,573 --> 00:04:33,013 Speaker 3: I don't know whether you saw at various times or 77 00:04:33,013 --> 00:04:36,573 Speaker 3: whether you were snoozing was but when the camera's gotten 78 00:04:36,693 --> 00:04:41,373 Speaker 3: close you could see kind of different strips going across 79 00:04:41,413 --> 00:04:44,053 Speaker 3: the pitch, and that normally meant you know, brown on 80 00:04:44,133 --> 00:04:47,533 Speaker 3: the top of the like a corrugation, so that that 81 00:04:47,653 --> 00:04:49,813 Speaker 3: takes the crest off when the moa goes through, and 82 00:04:49,853 --> 00:04:51,933 Speaker 3: so you left with dirt. Then you get into the 83 00:04:51,973 --> 00:04:57,133 Speaker 3: hollow part, you know, and the valley and that's a 84 00:04:57,133 --> 00:04:59,213 Speaker 3: little bit green and the moa doesn't reach that part. 85 00:04:59,293 --> 00:05:02,933 Speaker 4: So you get those strips along a pitch and if it. 86 00:05:02,933 --> 00:05:05,373 Speaker 3: Hits on the upside going up to the top of 87 00:05:05,413 --> 00:05:08,773 Speaker 3: the crest, then the ball goes up and if hits 88 00:05:08,813 --> 00:05:10,893 Speaker 3: in the downside, then it stays down. 89 00:05:11,013 --> 00:05:13,853 Speaker 4: So it wasn't that easy to bat I don't think. 90 00:05:14,173 --> 00:05:18,053 Speaker 3: But a really decent start, I thought really aggressive running 91 00:05:18,733 --> 00:05:23,653 Speaker 3: that I thought also right through the innings just exposed 92 00:05:24,373 --> 00:05:26,173 Speaker 3: the Pakistan outfield. 93 00:05:25,733 --> 00:05:28,413 Speaker 4: As a wee bit, you know, in their movement and 94 00:05:28,453 --> 00:05:29,093 Speaker 4: their throwing. 95 00:05:32,773 --> 00:05:35,733 Speaker 3: But losing those three wickets two quick ones and two 96 00:05:35,773 --> 00:05:39,773 Speaker 3: overs and then a little recovery of eight overs and 97 00:05:39,773 --> 00:05:43,773 Speaker 3: then Mitchell out three for seventy, Latham and Young needed 98 00:05:43,813 --> 00:05:48,213 Speaker 3: to shoulder some responsibility, didn't they, And indeed well they did. 99 00:05:48,493 --> 00:05:51,853 Speaker 4: They did. They took their time. Pakistan were now bowling 100 00:05:52,213 --> 00:05:52,773 Speaker 4: a quick at. 101 00:05:52,733 --> 00:05:56,413 Speaker 3: One end and a spinner at the other, and they 102 00:05:56,453 --> 00:05:58,973 Speaker 3: went for fours at the start. But then by the 103 00:05:59,013 --> 00:06:01,493 Speaker 3: time they had been in for ten overs, they were 104 00:06:01,493 --> 00:06:04,493 Speaker 3: going at seven's and so they were making up for 105 00:06:04,573 --> 00:06:08,333 Speaker 3: lost time. And then the other point I want to 106 00:06:08,453 --> 00:06:11,853 Speaker 3: make about spin, I think the dead batting of spin 107 00:06:11,973 --> 00:06:15,973 Speaker 3: in the past that's hurt New Zealand, particularly against sides. 108 00:06:16,013 --> 00:06:19,613 Speaker 3: It not that Pakistan are the greatest spin bowling units 109 00:06:19,653 --> 00:06:22,173 Speaker 3: at the moment, but it used to hurt New Zealand. 110 00:06:22,733 --> 00:06:25,413 Speaker 4: But that seems to have gone. 111 00:06:25,453 --> 00:06:30,053 Speaker 3: These players nowadays are much more busy. They come at 112 00:06:30,053 --> 00:06:33,733 Speaker 3: the bowler if they're Colonway or they're Williamson and their Mitchell, 113 00:06:34,733 --> 00:06:38,093 Speaker 3: or they might stay deep in their crease if they're Phillips, 114 00:06:38,133 --> 00:06:41,053 Speaker 3: or they're Young, and they hit it square and they 115 00:06:41,093 --> 00:06:43,893 Speaker 3: hit it down the ground, or they sweep and reverse 116 00:06:43,933 --> 00:06:46,893 Speaker 3: sweep like Mitchell does and Latham does and Young does, 117 00:06:47,533 --> 00:06:50,173 Speaker 3: or they go down the ground like Mitchell, you know, 118 00:06:50,333 --> 00:06:53,253 Speaker 3: or they go overcover like Williamson. They've got a range 119 00:06:53,293 --> 00:06:58,653 Speaker 3: of options, these players, and they are finding spin. They 120 00:06:58,693 --> 00:07:01,853 Speaker 3: are not just dead batting at all the time now 121 00:07:02,613 --> 00:07:05,173 Speaker 3: and they are starting to look for runs and they're 122 00:07:05,173 --> 00:07:07,973 Speaker 3: putting pressure on spin bowlers now and that's made a 123 00:07:08,173 --> 00:07:11,013 Speaker 3: very big difference to the side. 124 00:07:11,453 --> 00:07:14,133 Speaker 2: Tom Latham deserved the Man of the Match. I had 125 00:07:14,173 --> 00:07:17,693 Speaker 2: reservations about his place at number five, a key spot 126 00:07:17,733 --> 00:07:20,733 Speaker 2: in the batting order, mentioned it last week, but in 127 00:07:20,773 --> 00:07:24,733 Speaker 2: the last two games he answered criticism the best possible 128 00:07:24,773 --> 00:07:29,293 Speaker 2: way runs match winning runs. To silence his doubters, he 129 00:07:29,413 --> 00:07:32,653 Speaker 2: did an exceptional job with the bat. A man of 130 00:07:32,693 --> 00:07:34,733 Speaker 2: the match and a man of the Match case could 131 00:07:34,733 --> 00:07:38,773 Speaker 2: also have been made for will Young, probably only playing 132 00:07:39,133 --> 00:07:40,573 Speaker 2: in Revender's absence. 133 00:07:41,653 --> 00:07:47,693 Speaker 6: I certainly didn't seem risk free. I suppose one thing 134 00:07:47,693 --> 00:07:51,093 Speaker 6: our betting unit talked about was creating partnerships throughout o 135 00:07:51,173 --> 00:07:54,093 Speaker 6: einence and it was only a small partnership with DEV, 136 00:07:54,133 --> 00:07:57,253 Speaker 6: but we've got the ball rolling. And then unfortunately we 137 00:07:57,293 --> 00:08:02,973 Speaker 6: lost Caine early and Darryll not long after that. So 138 00:08:03,013 --> 00:08:06,693 Speaker 6: Tommy and I talked about obviously building a partnership and 139 00:08:08,133 --> 00:08:10,813 Speaker 6: just felt like, you know, Pakistan got three or four 140 00:08:10,853 --> 00:08:13,413 Speaker 6: dot balls, We managed to get a boundary away not 141 00:08:13,453 --> 00:08:16,293 Speaker 6: long after, and it just kept the mementium of the 142 00:08:16,333 --> 00:08:21,213 Speaker 6: innings going. And then I think we got to where 143 00:08:21,213 --> 00:08:24,333 Speaker 6: we wanted to after thirty overs, and I felt, or 144 00:08:24,533 --> 00:08:27,573 Speaker 6: with Tommy, we both felt that the games and the 145 00:08:27,613 --> 00:08:30,013 Speaker 6: balance at that point at one hundred and forty odds 146 00:08:30,413 --> 00:08:33,493 Speaker 6: for three after thirty overs, I think it was. And 147 00:08:33,533 --> 00:08:36,933 Speaker 6: then from there we had a platform to launch from. 148 00:08:36,973 --> 00:08:39,933 Speaker 6: And obviously the way that Tommy and and GP finished 149 00:08:40,173 --> 00:08:44,293 Speaker 6: innings was just brilliant. Yeah, brilliant to start off the 150 00:08:44,293 --> 00:08:48,013 Speaker 6: the champions Trophy trophy with a win. Just on the crowd, 151 00:08:48,493 --> 00:08:50,693 Speaker 6: they went too quiet, they were they were a really 152 00:08:50,693 --> 00:08:51,093 Speaker 6: good crowd. 153 00:08:51,133 --> 00:08:52,413 Speaker 7: They were noisy throughout. 154 00:08:52,533 --> 00:08:56,693 Speaker 6: So yeah, it's been awesome playing in Pakistan, and yeah, 155 00:08:56,733 --> 00:08:58,933 Speaker 6: hopefully the crowds are the same throughout the tournament because. 156 00:08:58,733 --> 00:09:02,613 Speaker 7: They were brilliant today. Yeah, thank you. 157 00:09:02,613 --> 00:09:05,213 Speaker 6: It meant a great deal to bring up my fourth 158 00:09:05,213 --> 00:09:08,733 Speaker 6: toty one hundred today. As I said before, it's it 159 00:09:08,813 --> 00:09:10,573 Speaker 6: sort of makes it easier if you focus on the 160 00:09:10,573 --> 00:09:14,573 Speaker 6: partnerships that you're in rather than focusing too much about 161 00:09:15,573 --> 00:09:19,213 Speaker 6: your own personal score or anything like that. But yeah, 162 00:09:19,213 --> 00:09:23,013 Speaker 6: in the power play, I think the nature of the 163 00:09:23,013 --> 00:09:25,253 Speaker 6: power play, there's more people in the in the ring, 164 00:09:25,413 --> 00:09:28,293 Speaker 6: so you're gonna hit fields more often, there's gonna be 165 00:09:28,293 --> 00:09:30,413 Speaker 6: more dots. But on the flip side to that, there's 166 00:09:31,373 --> 00:09:34,173 Speaker 6: this opportunity to score some boundaries. And I managed to 167 00:09:34,173 --> 00:09:36,293 Speaker 6: get a fuelway and the power play which sort of 168 00:09:36,333 --> 00:09:39,973 Speaker 6: got my ownings and our innings going. And then through 169 00:09:39,973 --> 00:09:42,653 Speaker 6: the middle it's a different challenge altogether. You know, spinners 170 00:09:43,653 --> 00:09:47,733 Speaker 6: come into it, four fielders out, sort of the gaps. 171 00:09:47,453 --> 00:09:49,893 Speaker 7: Open up and and and you try and score off 172 00:09:49,933 --> 00:09:53,013 Speaker 7: as many balls as you can to keep the momentum going. 173 00:09:53,173 --> 00:09:57,453 Speaker 6: So yeah, very pleased with the way things panned out today. 174 00:09:57,493 --> 00:10:01,533 Speaker 6: And and yeah, have a meaningful contribution on the game 175 00:10:01,613 --> 00:10:04,133 Speaker 6: with with my uh partnership with Tommy. 176 00:10:05,493 --> 00:10:09,653 Speaker 7: To be completely honest with you, Tommy and I knew 177 00:10:09,693 --> 00:10:10,453 Speaker 7: we were in a little bit of. 178 00:10:10,453 --> 00:10:13,733 Speaker 6: Trouble three down, and we didn't wanna look too far ahead, 179 00:10:13,773 --> 00:10:18,013 Speaker 6: did start talking past scores and things like things like that. 180 00:10:18,053 --> 00:10:19,853 Speaker 6: We wanted to get to thirty overs three down. 181 00:10:20,013 --> 00:10:21,053 Speaker 7: That was our first goal. 182 00:10:22,053 --> 00:10:24,973 Speaker 6: Then the next phase was to the thirty fifth over 183 00:10:25,053 --> 00:10:26,933 Speaker 6: and then I got out after that. 184 00:10:26,973 --> 00:10:30,933 Speaker 7: But when when I came off, I think I got 185 00:10:30,973 --> 00:10:32,093 Speaker 7: out in the thirty eighth over. 186 00:10:33,533 --> 00:10:35,453 Speaker 6: I was saying to the boys, I thought, too eighty 187 00:10:35,573 --> 00:10:39,493 Speaker 6: was a a really good total. If the seam has 188 00:10:39,573 --> 00:10:42,293 Speaker 6: hit U a good length. It was difficult, you know, 189 00:10:42,333 --> 00:10:44,973 Speaker 6: the old ball was going down. We saw from the 190 00:10:45,013 --> 00:10:48,453 Speaker 6: Pakistan spinners as well that when they slowed the ball 191 00:10:48,493 --> 00:10:52,213 Speaker 6: up especially, it would hold in the surface and there 192 00:10:52,253 --> 00:10:54,333 Speaker 6: was a bit of turn there and and when they 193 00:10:55,013 --> 00:10:57,613 Speaker 6: they fired it through a little bit quicker it was skiddy. 194 00:10:57,653 --> 00:11:00,173 Speaker 7: So it wasn't easy. And I thought two eighty was 195 00:11:00,173 --> 00:11:00,733 Speaker 7: a good score. 196 00:11:00,773 --> 00:11:04,053 Speaker 6: And obviously the way a GP and Tommy got things going, 197 00:11:05,773 --> 00:11:07,293 Speaker 6: it was just brilliant, the way that they finished off 198 00:11:07,333 --> 00:11:09,653 Speaker 6: the innings and to get to through twenty. We all 199 00:11:09,693 --> 00:11:12,013 Speaker 6: felt that we were slightly ahead of the game at 200 00:11:12,013 --> 00:11:15,773 Speaker 6: that point. But in the same breath as you say, 201 00:11:15,813 --> 00:11:18,133 Speaker 6: Pakistan chased down three fifty on the same wicket, so 202 00:11:18,133 --> 00:11:20,573 Speaker 6: we knew we had to start well and thankfully we 203 00:11:20,613 --> 00:11:21,053 Speaker 6: did that. 204 00:11:21,013 --> 00:11:22,453 Speaker 7: And it managed to keep it going. 205 00:11:23,133 --> 00:11:26,173 Speaker 2: Or even a case for Glenn Phillips as mental match 206 00:11:26,333 --> 00:11:30,213 Speaker 2: he's currently feasting on the Pakistan bowlers during the happy hour. 207 00:11:30,613 --> 00:11:32,053 Speaker 2: Is there something special on the table? 208 00:11:32,493 --> 00:11:36,053 Speaker 8: I wouldn't necessarily say something in particular. I think I'm 209 00:11:36,093 --> 00:11:38,333 Speaker 8: just really clear at the moment and I'm seeing the 210 00:11:38,373 --> 00:11:41,093 Speaker 8: ball really well and I guess being still at the 211 00:11:41,093 --> 00:11:43,613 Speaker 8: point of contact, and I think that goes a long 212 00:11:43,653 --> 00:11:46,173 Speaker 8: way into being able to be a good death death hitter. 213 00:11:46,853 --> 00:11:48,533 Speaker 8: You know, I haven't always got it right in the past, 214 00:11:48,533 --> 00:11:50,333 Speaker 8: but I think I've got a little bit of a 215 00:11:50,333 --> 00:11:51,053 Speaker 8: feel for it at the. 216 00:11:50,973 --> 00:11:51,813 Speaker 7: Moment, which is helpful. 217 00:11:52,213 --> 00:11:54,813 Speaker 8: I think we've had a different pitch and it's played 218 00:11:54,853 --> 00:11:58,133 Speaker 8: a different way every time we've been here. You know. 219 00:11:58,213 --> 00:12:00,893 Speaker 8: We definitely had a lot more spin in the evening again, 220 00:12:00,933 --> 00:12:02,653 Speaker 8: which we found a couple of years ago when we 221 00:12:02,653 --> 00:12:06,373 Speaker 8: were here, you know, but the paces were definitely harder 222 00:12:06,413 --> 00:12:07,813 Speaker 8: to play. I think during the day, you know, the 223 00:12:07,813 --> 00:12:09,933 Speaker 8: balls going up and down a lot. Obviously the way 224 00:12:11,533 --> 00:12:15,053 Speaker 8: Matt Henry and Willow rock Bold was a testament to 225 00:12:15,533 --> 00:12:19,053 Speaker 8: how good they did up there, But I think during 226 00:12:19,053 --> 00:12:21,173 Speaker 8: the day the way the Pakistan boys bowld, especially at 227 00:12:21,173 --> 00:12:23,133 Speaker 8: the top, made it quite tough for us to get 228 00:12:23,133 --> 00:12:26,373 Speaker 8: away early on. So I think we've been really adaptable 229 00:12:26,413 --> 00:12:28,453 Speaker 8: to the different kinds of style of pitch. But it 230 00:12:28,573 --> 00:12:30,213 Speaker 8: was nice to actually see him turn out there in 231 00:12:30,253 --> 00:12:30,533 Speaker 8: the evening. 232 00:12:31,213 --> 00:12:32,413 Speaker 2: Yeah, very lucky for us. 233 00:12:32,693 --> 00:12:35,373 Speaker 8: Obviously, no one never wants to see a player get injured, 234 00:12:36,013 --> 00:12:38,733 Speaker 8: but I think when a player gets injured, they can 235 00:12:38,733 --> 00:12:41,533 Speaker 8: make them really really dangerous. And obviously it showed today. 236 00:12:41,573 --> 00:12:44,293 Speaker 8: You know, he wasn't necessarily able to run, but he 237 00:12:44,493 --> 00:12:47,453 Speaker 8: was still just as powerful as ever. And I think 238 00:12:47,493 --> 00:12:50,613 Speaker 8: we've tried to mix up lines and links up to 239 00:12:50,653 --> 00:12:52,293 Speaker 8: him a little bit and you know, play a bit 240 00:12:52,293 --> 00:12:54,573 Speaker 8: more of a guessing game with him. But hey, obviously 241 00:12:54,613 --> 00:12:56,733 Speaker 8: he's a great player and I'm sure he'll be back 242 00:12:56,773 --> 00:12:57,533 Speaker 8: and fit to go sooner. 243 00:12:59,093 --> 00:13:02,933 Speaker 2: They were the key players, would they lay them Young 244 00:13:03,293 --> 00:13:06,133 Speaker 2: and Phillips? Of course, the RESK played their part as well. 245 00:13:06,373 --> 00:13:09,293 Speaker 2: One of the interesting things that I have sort of 246 00:13:09,773 --> 00:13:12,613 Speaker 2: come across too as watching remember the time when New 247 00:13:12,693 --> 00:13:15,413 Speaker 2: Zealand used to put the opposition in because they didn't 248 00:13:15,453 --> 00:13:17,973 Speaker 2: want to bat first. They almost felt as though they 249 00:13:17,973 --> 00:13:22,133 Speaker 2: weren't capable of batting well. Now they seem comfortable batting 250 00:13:22,453 --> 00:13:25,333 Speaker 2: first or chasing, and I think that that is adding 251 00:13:25,373 --> 00:13:29,213 Speaker 2: to the confidence factor in some of these players. And 252 00:13:29,613 --> 00:13:31,853 Speaker 2: you talk about their ability to play spin. Bowl in 253 00:13:31,933 --> 00:13:35,573 Speaker 2: New Zealand were always reluctant against spin. Yet now they've 254 00:13:35,573 --> 00:13:38,093 Speaker 2: got spinners themselves in the side and they've got an 255 00:13:38,093 --> 00:13:41,493 Speaker 2: attack that's able to do the business, whether it's batting 256 00:13:41,493 --> 00:13:42,213 Speaker 2: first or second. 257 00:13:42,733 --> 00:13:44,293 Speaker 4: YEP, I think that that's right. 258 00:13:45,693 --> 00:13:50,253 Speaker 3: Certainly, when Young went out in the thirty eight Ober 259 00:13:50,293 --> 00:13:53,093 Speaker 3: what was it, one hundred and seven balls for one 260 00:13:53,133 --> 00:13:54,933 Speaker 3: hundred and or one hundred and seven of one hundred 261 00:13:54,933 --> 00:14:00,573 Speaker 3: and thirty something like that. You know that left twelve 262 00:14:00,653 --> 00:14:06,093 Speaker 3: overs of Phillip's You mentioned him to get in not 263 00:14:06,173 --> 00:14:08,533 Speaker 3: only he doesn't have to go hard for from the 264 00:14:08,573 --> 00:14:11,853 Speaker 3: start as if there's two overs left, he's got twelve 265 00:14:11,933 --> 00:14:13,133 Speaker 3: overs that he. 266 00:14:13,253 --> 00:14:14,093 Speaker 4: Can use there. 267 00:14:14,813 --> 00:14:18,893 Speaker 3: And he did do that, and he did mention, didn't 268 00:14:18,893 --> 00:14:21,093 Speaker 3: he that he's seeing the ball and he's staying nice 269 00:14:21,173 --> 00:14:24,613 Speaker 3: and still, and those are very important things, whether you're 270 00:14:24,613 --> 00:14:25,813 Speaker 3: a power hitter or not. 271 00:14:26,333 --> 00:14:27,293 Speaker 4: He is able to get in. 272 00:14:27,413 --> 00:14:29,813 Speaker 3: It was important that he was with Latham, who's his 273 00:14:29,893 --> 00:14:33,973 Speaker 3: red ball captain in the Test cricket poetly keeping him calm, 274 00:14:34,573 --> 00:14:37,253 Speaker 3: and then of course he releases he's only been out once, 275 00:14:37,333 --> 00:14:40,093 Speaker 3: I think when he's actually in Pakistan, hasn't he I mean, 276 00:14:40,133 --> 00:14:41,053 Speaker 3: he's smashed it. 277 00:14:41,333 --> 00:14:42,053 Speaker 4: So he showered. 278 00:14:42,213 --> 00:14:45,213 Speaker 3: He showed his power in that innings towards the end 279 00:14:45,293 --> 00:14:49,613 Speaker 3: there and one hundred and thirteen from the last ten overs. 280 00:14:49,973 --> 00:14:53,133 Speaker 3: It wasn't two seventy five to eighty five. It was 281 00:14:53,213 --> 00:14:57,373 Speaker 3: three twenty on a tricky pitch, you know. I thought 282 00:14:57,413 --> 00:15:01,933 Speaker 3: it was a very finely controlled and thoughtful ODI innings, 283 00:15:01,973 --> 00:15:04,173 Speaker 3: probably one of the best I've seen from New Zealand 284 00:15:04,733 --> 00:15:08,293 Speaker 3: for a long time, and it was always going to 285 00:15:08,413 --> 00:15:13,173 Speaker 3: take a really special individual innings from either Fakar or 286 00:15:13,293 --> 00:15:16,293 Speaker 3: Rizwan or Barbar or some you know, to run that 287 00:15:16,413 --> 00:15:17,533 Speaker 3: kind of total down. 288 00:15:17,973 --> 00:15:20,853 Speaker 2: Yes, Pakistan needed for car, but he got injured, and 289 00:15:20,893 --> 00:15:23,933 Speaker 2: that's one of the aspects of the game. I suppose 290 00:15:23,933 --> 00:15:25,973 Speaker 2: you just have to live with he won't sort of 291 00:15:26,373 --> 00:15:30,493 Speaker 2: play again. I wouldn't imagine. The other thing is New 292 00:15:30,573 --> 00:15:32,693 Speaker 2: Zealand can't really change this side, now, can they. They've 293 00:15:32,693 --> 00:15:35,813 Speaker 2: got Ravendra, They've got Jamison who is in pretty good 294 00:15:35,813 --> 00:15:38,693 Speaker 2: form at the moment. They've got a Duffy who's there. 295 00:15:38,853 --> 00:15:40,533 Speaker 2: They've got Chapman who had a good game in the 296 00:15:40,573 --> 00:15:43,213 Speaker 2: warm up against Afghanistan. I've got players there. But you 297 00:15:43,253 --> 00:15:47,573 Speaker 2: can't change that team now for certainly the next game, can. 298 00:15:47,453 --> 00:15:51,613 Speaker 3: You don't think so odds This is a very short tournament. 299 00:15:51,973 --> 00:15:55,013 Speaker 3: It's a knockout tournament. You've got to get to You've 300 00:15:55,013 --> 00:15:58,733 Speaker 3: only got three in the group stage, three games, so 301 00:15:58,893 --> 00:16:02,053 Speaker 3: you've got to win two. And New Zealand this next 302 00:16:02,093 --> 00:16:06,213 Speaker 3: game in roll Pindi against Bangladesh. There's going to be 303 00:16:06,253 --> 00:16:10,653 Speaker 3: important match and I don't think you would want to 304 00:16:10,733 --> 00:16:14,933 Speaker 3: change that side too much. I'm sure Revenger will be 305 00:16:15,013 --> 00:16:16,773 Speaker 3: keen to try and get back in there. But who 306 00:16:16,813 --> 00:16:20,093 Speaker 3: does he replace? So that's going to be an interesting 307 00:16:20,133 --> 00:16:23,453 Speaker 3: discussion for the selectors. Does he do they replace Conway 308 00:16:23,453 --> 00:16:27,013 Speaker 3: who's got some runs? Do they replay you know, do 309 00:16:27,093 --> 00:16:31,093 Speaker 3: they take Young who's gone one hundred? So well, you see, 310 00:16:31,093 --> 00:16:34,133 Speaker 3: these are these are the issues and so so it's 311 00:16:34,173 --> 00:16:39,093 Speaker 3: a nice problem to have in a way, and so 312 00:16:39,933 --> 00:16:44,053 Speaker 3: you know, I don't know what they'll do about that. 313 00:16:44,053 --> 00:16:46,013 Speaker 3: That's not going to be an easy meeting at all, 314 00:16:46,053 --> 00:16:50,893 Speaker 3: I don't think. But but just very quickly, you know, 315 00:16:51,013 --> 00:16:56,933 Speaker 3: you mentioned New Zealanders have had contributions from lots of people, 316 00:16:57,013 --> 00:17:01,173 Speaker 3: haven't they. You've mentioned the three main ones, and it 317 00:17:01,253 --> 00:17:04,293 Speaker 3: was interesting, wasn't it for me that Young and Latham, 318 00:17:04,613 --> 00:17:07,013 Speaker 3: of all the players, Young and Lathan were probably the 319 00:17:07,053 --> 00:17:10,333 Speaker 3: two men who you most need to join that contribution. 320 00:17:10,973 --> 00:17:11,933 Speaker 4: And there they were. 321 00:17:11,853 --> 00:17:17,773 Speaker 3: Last night actually playing a predominant part of the innings 322 00:17:17,373 --> 00:17:22,333 Speaker 3: and the whole business of it really so yeah, I 323 00:17:22,373 --> 00:17:26,333 Speaker 3: mean New Zealand basically they used to quicks and they 324 00:17:27,453 --> 00:17:29,573 Speaker 3: the Pakistan quicks at the end went for two hundred 325 00:17:29,573 --> 00:17:33,053 Speaker 3: and fourteen at seven's just over sevens then, and the 326 00:17:33,093 --> 00:17:37,253 Speaker 3: spinners even went for over fives, so that was good. 327 00:17:37,453 --> 00:17:42,053 Speaker 3: And listen, to be fair Latham. You mentioned Latham. It's 328 00:17:42,093 --> 00:17:46,213 Speaker 3: a big deal when a number five or a number 329 00:17:46,253 --> 00:17:50,053 Speaker 3: six gets one hundred in an ODI game. You don't 330 00:17:50,133 --> 00:17:55,093 Speaker 3: normally have that opportunity, and it means that you've had 331 00:17:55,093 --> 00:17:59,053 Speaker 3: a you know, a collapse and the pop order to 332 00:17:59,253 --> 00:18:02,093 Speaker 3: enable you to have enough overs to get through. 333 00:18:02,413 --> 00:18:07,133 Speaker 4: But he played very aggressively. He's a good sweeper. He 334 00:18:07,173 --> 00:18:10,453 Speaker 4: gets his head in line, he extends his hands. 335 00:18:10,093 --> 00:18:12,373 Speaker 3: Out towards the ball so he's at the length of 336 00:18:12,413 --> 00:18:15,653 Speaker 3: the ball and he's got a variety of sweets, little 337 00:18:15,733 --> 00:18:19,693 Speaker 3: laps that go far and then hardest weeps that go square. 338 00:18:20,093 --> 00:18:22,573 Speaker 3: He hit it, hit one for six and a couple 339 00:18:22,613 --> 00:18:26,653 Speaker 3: for six actually as well. So he's a difficult custament 340 00:18:26,693 --> 00:18:29,333 Speaker 3: to bowl too. And he's got the reverses as well. 341 00:18:29,493 --> 00:18:33,373 Speaker 3: So terrific effort from him, and he lifted the rate 342 00:18:33,933 --> 00:18:35,613 Speaker 3: and then helped, as I say. 343 00:18:35,453 --> 00:18:36,573 Speaker 4: Philip's get along. 344 00:18:37,173 --> 00:18:40,813 Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean I thought it was a I 345 00:18:40,853 --> 00:18:43,933 Speaker 3: didn't see the whole of the bowling in ings wads. 346 00:18:44,413 --> 00:18:46,093 Speaker 2: I was just going to talk about the bowlers. I think, 347 00:18:46,213 --> 00:18:49,413 Speaker 2: you know, Henry did what Henry does and he's a 348 00:18:49,453 --> 00:18:52,173 Speaker 2: great leader of the attack. A Rourke, to my mind, 349 00:18:52,613 --> 00:18:56,653 Speaker 2: is an amazing asset. You know, the pace, the bounce. 350 00:18:56,933 --> 00:19:00,413 Speaker 2: He's starting to starting to think batsman out too, isn't 351 00:19:00,413 --> 00:19:04,413 Speaker 2: he using the bouncer effectively? And they've got Smith, who 352 00:19:04,813 --> 00:19:08,053 Speaker 2: a new boy on the block, probably needs to tighten 353 00:19:08,213 --> 00:19:10,693 Speaker 2: up a little bit. That will take some time, but 354 00:19:10,813 --> 00:19:12,653 Speaker 2: I think they've got the balance there. And you add 355 00:19:13,173 --> 00:19:16,733 Speaker 2: Jamison and Duffy to the lineup, I think they've got that. 356 00:19:16,973 --> 00:19:21,493 Speaker 2: Along with the bowling of Santana Bracefill, who was getting 357 00:19:21,493 --> 00:19:24,413 Speaker 2: the ball to turn quite sharply and Phillips. They've got 358 00:19:24,693 --> 00:19:29,333 Speaker 2: a nice varied bowling attack that Santa can use. And 359 00:19:29,373 --> 00:19:33,173 Speaker 2: I think he did it perfectly against the Pakistan top order, 360 00:19:33,173 --> 00:19:35,333 Speaker 2: who know the conditions pretty well. 361 00:19:36,453 --> 00:19:38,573 Speaker 4: Held himself back, didn't he. 362 00:19:38,573 --> 00:19:42,013 Speaker 3: He bowled He bought Bracewollan in the eleventh over and 363 00:19:42,013 --> 00:19:46,213 Speaker 3: then he bowled Phillips almost straight away. There was a 364 00:19:46,293 --> 00:19:49,253 Speaker 3: left hander in I think at that stage fuck Zaman 365 00:19:49,453 --> 00:19:51,733 Speaker 3: was in. Why did he come in at four? I 366 00:19:51,773 --> 00:19:53,973 Speaker 3: know he had to come out later because of his injury, 367 00:19:54,813 --> 00:19:59,453 Speaker 3: but if he couldn't run a single, which is you 368 00:19:59,493 --> 00:20:01,973 Speaker 3: could see that he just I mean not only for 369 00:20:02,013 --> 00:20:04,533 Speaker 3: his own not only for his own total, and he 370 00:20:04,613 --> 00:20:06,733 Speaker 3: only got he got a twenty odd, didn't he? But 371 00:20:06,773 --> 00:20:09,253 Speaker 3: he couldn't run the other bats, and that he couldn't 372 00:20:09,293 --> 00:20:13,133 Speaker 3: run his two's, So why didn't they leave him down 373 00:20:13,173 --> 00:20:14,013 Speaker 3: until the slogging? 374 00:20:14,493 --> 00:20:17,413 Speaker 2: You know time they had a couple of useful hitters, 375 00:20:17,453 --> 00:20:17,893 Speaker 2: didn't they. 376 00:20:18,613 --> 00:20:22,293 Speaker 3: Yeah, Kushtild got a sixty odd, didn't he? And I 377 00:20:22,293 --> 00:20:25,893 Speaker 3: think I was at Salman got a forty. So yeah, 378 00:20:25,973 --> 00:20:28,053 Speaker 3: know that helped them and that'll keep their net run 379 00:20:28,133 --> 00:20:29,453 Speaker 3: rate a little bit better, I guess. 380 00:20:29,973 --> 00:20:33,053 Speaker 4: But you know, I just wondered whether fuck I. 381 00:20:32,973 --> 00:20:35,933 Speaker 3: Should have actually been left a little bit later in 382 00:20:36,013 --> 00:20:40,893 Speaker 3: case they got close and when he could just slog, 383 00:20:41,373 --> 00:20:44,093 Speaker 3: you know, because he was he couldn't run really. 384 00:20:45,013 --> 00:20:49,133 Speaker 2: And he wasn't able to pass the strikeover to Baba Adahm, 385 00:20:49,213 --> 00:20:52,013 Speaker 2: who was obviously wanting it. But you know, he was 386 00:20:52,053 --> 00:20:54,733 Speaker 2: then getting tied down because you couldn't afford to take 387 00:20:54,773 --> 00:20:58,093 Speaker 2: too many risks. He couldn't play any free range shots 388 00:20:58,653 --> 00:21:01,613 Speaker 2: and that cost them and New Zealand exploited it. Well, 389 00:21:01,733 --> 00:21:04,533 Speaker 2: that's why he was full of credit for Santa and 390 00:21:04,573 --> 00:21:07,853 Speaker 2: his captaincy and the bowling changes and feeling changes he made. 391 00:21:07,853 --> 00:21:10,013 Speaker 2: I thought they were outstanding. 392 00:21:11,533 --> 00:21:14,493 Speaker 4: He's a smart He's a smart captain. Was he's a 393 00:21:14,533 --> 00:21:15,293 Speaker 4: smart captain? 394 00:21:16,453 --> 00:21:18,013 Speaker 2: Yeah, I quite agree. 395 00:21:18,773 --> 00:21:23,173 Speaker 3: And the players are with him because that they know 396 00:21:23,413 --> 00:21:27,493 Speaker 3: Baba doesn't sweep, and so he could bowl two off spinners, 397 00:21:28,973 --> 00:21:31,613 Speaker 3: taking the ball away from Fakar at that stage, so 398 00:21:31,773 --> 00:21:34,893 Speaker 3: that was always a chance as the ball leaves him 399 00:21:35,213 --> 00:21:38,293 Speaker 3: and then to Baba who doesn't sweep. He just plays 400 00:21:38,333 --> 00:21:45,053 Speaker 3: a forward defense sixty four off ninety Baba. Why so, Timid, 401 00:21:45,453 --> 00:21:47,573 Speaker 3: I did not see him try and move his feet 402 00:21:47,653 --> 00:21:51,373 Speaker 3: once I did not see him try and stand out 403 00:21:51,453 --> 00:21:55,573 Speaker 3: or go deep in his crease once and as soon 404 00:21:55,613 --> 00:21:57,733 Speaker 3: as he tucked it round the corner there were people 405 00:21:58,133 --> 00:22:00,613 Speaker 3: you know, at forty five and just by the umpire 406 00:22:00,653 --> 00:22:03,173 Speaker 3: and so on. He couldn't get a single because Fuka 407 00:22:03,253 --> 00:22:08,573 Speaker 3: couldn't run it, so he was actually lost. He he 408 00:22:08,813 --> 00:22:12,373 Speaker 3: scores quicker when the ball's going away for him, like Sentner, 409 00:22:13,373 --> 00:22:16,333 Speaker 3: he scores more quickly there, but against the ball turning 410 00:22:16,373 --> 00:22:18,293 Speaker 3: back into him, he doesn't score as far. So it 411 00:22:18,373 --> 00:22:22,693 Speaker 3: was smart Captaincy, I think from Satna at that point, 412 00:22:22,933 --> 00:22:29,493 Speaker 3: but very timid from Baba really, to be honest. So yeah, 413 00:22:29,533 --> 00:22:31,893 Speaker 3: and as I say, no sweep just showed up. So 414 00:22:31,973 --> 00:22:36,013 Speaker 3: there were dots all over the place for Baba and 415 00:22:36,053 --> 00:22:39,613 Speaker 3: it was lucky really that little necessary cameos that you've 416 00:22:39,653 --> 00:22:44,813 Speaker 3: talked about from those two lower players. But yeah, I mean, 417 00:22:44,853 --> 00:22:47,653 Speaker 3: and I think, to be honest with you, Sentna at 418 00:22:47,653 --> 00:22:50,693 Speaker 3: the end kept on trying to just get wickets. 419 00:22:50,933 --> 00:22:52,253 Speaker 4: He looked so dangerous. 420 00:22:52,733 --> 00:22:54,413 Speaker 3: I went to bed after he bowled about two or 421 00:22:54,453 --> 00:22:57,173 Speaker 3: three overs and he looked like he was going to 422 00:22:57,213 --> 00:23:00,493 Speaker 3: just bowl him out with his quality and his change 423 00:23:00,533 --> 00:23:03,293 Speaker 3: of flight. And there's gone. He was getting a bit 424 00:23:03,333 --> 00:23:05,893 Speaker 3: of turn as well. I just thought he was trying 425 00:23:05,893 --> 00:23:10,213 Speaker 3: to bowl him out rather than going for you know, 426 00:23:10,533 --> 00:23:12,733 Speaker 3: sort of economies, if you know what I mean. 427 00:23:13,733 --> 00:23:15,333 Speaker 4: He just wanted wickets. 428 00:23:15,693 --> 00:23:17,653 Speaker 2: Pull on the throat stuff was what was needed at 429 00:23:17,653 --> 00:23:20,373 Speaker 2: that stage. Pakistan, I've got it all to play for now. 430 00:23:20,413 --> 00:23:23,573 Speaker 2: They're in a deal of trouble. They've got to win 431 00:23:23,613 --> 00:23:26,373 Speaker 2: both their games now. I'm beating India is going to 432 00:23:26,413 --> 00:23:29,293 Speaker 2: be a real tough task for them. But New Zealand 433 00:23:29,453 --> 00:23:34,133 Speaker 2: have got to play Bangladesh. They can put the Pakistan 434 00:23:34,213 --> 00:23:36,613 Speaker 2: game behind them, the lessons they will have taken from 435 00:23:36,613 --> 00:23:40,333 Speaker 2: that and prepare for Bangladesh and we look forward to 436 00:23:40,973 --> 00:23:41,493 Speaker 2: that jury. 437 00:23:42,253 --> 00:23:44,573 Speaker 3: The only thing I'd like to mention about that next 438 00:23:44,613 --> 00:23:48,613 Speaker 3: match was we know the Bangladesh side and you know 439 00:23:48,653 --> 00:23:53,053 Speaker 3: people like Shamaya and Mushfaka and Mahmadullah and Ridoy and 440 00:23:53,213 --> 00:23:56,413 Speaker 3: Mayadi of those people. The new boy on the block 441 00:23:57,493 --> 00:24:00,813 Speaker 3: is a quick which is most unusual. 442 00:24:00,253 --> 00:24:01,613 Speaker 4: Really for Bangladesh. 443 00:24:01,933 --> 00:24:06,533 Speaker 3: Nahid Rana, he's only twenty two, he's had six Tests, 444 00:24:06,573 --> 00:24:11,133 Speaker 3: he's got twenty odd wickets. He's played against Sri Lanka 445 00:24:11,173 --> 00:24:14,733 Speaker 3: at home, he's played Pakistan twice. That's when they beat 446 00:24:14,773 --> 00:24:17,813 Speaker 3: banglad Dish beat Pakistan, tou Nilda at home. You know 447 00:24:17,853 --> 00:24:21,653 Speaker 3: in Pakistan, he played India and he's played South Africa and. 448 00:24:21,613 --> 00:24:22,333 Speaker 4: The West Indies. 449 00:24:22,373 --> 00:24:25,973 Speaker 3: So he's played a range of teams and he's picked 450 00:24:26,013 --> 00:24:27,973 Speaker 3: up a four wickets and he's picked up a five 451 00:24:28,093 --> 00:24:33,333 Speaker 3: for So just keep your eye on Nahid Rana in 452 00:24:33,373 --> 00:24:35,173 Speaker 3: that metchip against New Zealand. 453 00:24:35,893 --> 00:24:39,613 Speaker 1: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot. 454 00:24:39,773 --> 00:24:40,933 Speaker 2: Remember this this. 455 00:24:41,133 --> 00:24:45,973 Speaker 9: Cairns New Zealand all round Theer're on ninety nine twelve 456 00:24:46,093 --> 00:24:53,093 Speaker 9: from eleven needed by New Zealand. Slower ball, that's Kansas hundred. 457 00:24:53,133 --> 00:24:55,533 Speaker 9: What a finding is that is punch is the air 458 00:24:55,653 --> 00:24:58,493 Speaker 9: in delight. That is a marvelous effort from the man 459 00:24:58,813 --> 00:25:01,053 Speaker 9: who wasn't even sure he was going to play this morning. 460 00:25:01,853 --> 00:25:05,453 Speaker 9: One hundred from one hundred and ten balls full task, 461 00:25:05,493 --> 00:25:09,533 Speaker 9: they've gone New Zealand and that away for the single 462 00:25:09,573 --> 00:25:13,373 Speaker 9: that gives New Zealand victory two sixty five for six. 463 00:25:14,053 --> 00:25:16,573 Speaker 9: What a stunning effort that is New Zealand. When this 464 00:25:17,053 --> 00:25:23,173 Speaker 9: ICC knockout trophy by four wickets. Chris Cans, who wasn't 465 00:25:23,213 --> 00:25:26,053 Speaker 9: even sure that he could play this morning because of 466 00:25:26,133 --> 00:25:29,373 Speaker 9: that injured knee has got an unbeaten one hundred and 467 00:25:29,413 --> 00:25:33,613 Speaker 9: two under steered New Zealand to a wonderful win. 468 00:25:34,493 --> 00:25:38,453 Speaker 2: Oh I remember it vividly. It was a great occasion. 469 00:25:38,733 --> 00:25:42,333 Speaker 2: It was our first and only International Cricket award. And 470 00:25:42,413 --> 00:25:45,373 Speaker 2: someone I know who remember it pretty vividly as well, 471 00:25:45,573 --> 00:25:47,613 Speaker 2: not so much for the commentary but for being there 472 00:25:48,373 --> 00:25:52,573 Speaker 2: was Craig McMillan, and he joins us to remember that 473 00:25:52,773 --> 00:25:56,173 Speaker 2: title in Nairobi and Kenya, of all places, one of 474 00:25:56,173 --> 00:26:00,853 Speaker 2: the strangest areas. Do you imagine Mecca to be in 475 00:26:01,093 --> 00:26:02,773 Speaker 2: Nairobi winning an ICC title? 476 00:26:03,093 --> 00:26:06,053 Speaker 5: Hello, Onejie and most unusuals, The first and early time 477 00:26:06,493 --> 00:26:09,973 Speaker 5: I've actually been to Kenya. Been back since then, you 478 00:26:09,973 --> 00:26:12,653 Speaker 5: know interested listening to that commentary, it sort of feels 479 00:26:12,693 --> 00:26:14,813 Speaker 5: like it was yesterday, but then you look at the 480 00:26:14,893 --> 00:26:17,053 Speaker 5: dates and it was twenty five years ago, which was 481 00:26:17,093 --> 00:26:19,853 Speaker 5: obviously a long time, but still a lot of great 482 00:26:19,893 --> 00:26:24,133 Speaker 5: memories around that tournament and especially that final where to 483 00:26:24,173 --> 00:26:25,653 Speaker 5: get up and beat the mice of India in a 484 00:26:25,733 --> 00:26:31,093 Speaker 5: final in an ICC Champions Trophy was something grew special. 485 00:26:31,453 --> 00:26:33,413 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a great endings by Cans, but it's 486 00:26:33,453 --> 00:26:36,053 Speaker 2: not about one person is it. I mean, he's a 487 00:26:36,093 --> 00:26:38,413 Speaker 2: match when on always was a match winner at times. 488 00:26:38,893 --> 00:26:41,773 Speaker 2: But to get to the final and actually win the final, 489 00:26:42,013 --> 00:26:45,853 Speaker 2: it needed other players to play a significant role, and 490 00:26:45,893 --> 00:26:47,053 Speaker 2: you were one of those. You've got a couple of 491 00:26:47,053 --> 00:26:48,933 Speaker 2: half centuries in the lead up games, didn't you. 492 00:26:49,013 --> 00:26:49,213 Speaker 4: Yeah. 493 00:26:49,573 --> 00:26:51,773 Speaker 5: It was a really short tournament, so you had to 494 00:26:51,853 --> 00:26:54,493 Speaker 5: hit the ground running. We had Zimbabwe first up and 495 00:26:54,933 --> 00:26:57,693 Speaker 5: we'd actually just come from Zimbabwe with beating us to 496 00:26:57,693 --> 00:26:59,693 Speaker 5: one in a one day series. They were a very 497 00:26:59,693 --> 00:27:03,013 Speaker 5: strong team through that mid to late nineties, if you remember. 498 00:27:03,053 --> 00:27:07,253 Speaker 5: They had the likes of his Streak and the Flower brothers, 499 00:27:07,613 --> 00:27:10,933 Speaker 5: Paul Strang. We're just very good one day international side. 500 00:27:11,013 --> 00:27:13,653 Speaker 5: So we just come from Zimbabwe where they bet us. 501 00:27:13,693 --> 00:27:16,853 Speaker 5: They were our first up match, so it wasn't an 502 00:27:16,853 --> 00:27:19,733 Speaker 5: easy starts. We got through that and then we faced 503 00:27:19,733 --> 00:27:23,013 Speaker 5: the mind of Pakistan in the semi final, who in 504 00:27:23,053 --> 00:27:26,173 Speaker 5: the conditions that we faced over in Nairobi, which was 505 00:27:26,813 --> 00:27:30,613 Speaker 5: very low and slow and suited the spinners, So the 506 00:27:30,813 --> 00:27:34,133 Speaker 5: likes of India and Pakistan with dangerous sides in those conditions. 507 00:27:34,133 --> 00:27:37,933 Speaker 5: So to beat Pakistan in that semi final, which was 508 00:27:37,933 --> 00:27:39,733 Speaker 5: a close match, they had a very good side, obviously 509 00:27:39,773 --> 00:27:43,133 Speaker 5: with the likes of was em Atkram leading them, they 510 00:27:43,133 --> 00:27:46,773 Speaker 5: had a very strong side, and then we managed to 511 00:27:47,133 --> 00:27:49,213 Speaker 5: have India in the final and that was a bit 512 00:27:49,213 --> 00:27:52,173 Speaker 5: of an epic match. But you're right, the ken things 513 00:27:52,173 --> 00:27:55,013 Speaker 5: did stand out when you were chasing. But what led 514 00:27:55,093 --> 00:27:56,893 Speaker 5: up to that to actually give us a chance to 515 00:27:56,933 --> 00:27:59,933 Speaker 5: win was the bowling performance. Because at one stage, I 516 00:27:59,933 --> 00:28:02,813 Speaker 5: think Angouli and Tendolka had India one hundred and forty 517 00:28:02,813 --> 00:28:05,053 Speaker 5: without loss, and it looked like they were going to 518 00:28:05,053 --> 00:28:07,333 Speaker 5: score three hundred plus, which probably would have been a 519 00:28:07,333 --> 00:28:11,053 Speaker 5: winning score, but the bowlers did a fantastic job and 520 00:28:11,133 --> 00:28:14,253 Speaker 5: actually pulling India back to a score around that to 521 00:28:14,293 --> 00:28:17,693 Speaker 5: sixty mark, which was achievable and we felt was going 522 00:28:17,733 --> 00:28:18,933 Speaker 5: to be chasable, which we did. 523 00:28:19,333 --> 00:28:22,613 Speaker 2: Yeah, two sixty in those days, though, was still quite 524 00:28:23,253 --> 00:28:26,853 Speaker 2: a large task, wasn't. I mean now, three hundred is 525 00:28:27,573 --> 00:28:29,813 Speaker 2: nothing in terms of a task, but two sixty in 526 00:28:29,853 --> 00:28:33,013 Speaker 2: those days wasn't considered an easy, gettable target. Wasn't. 527 00:28:33,493 --> 00:28:35,933 Speaker 5: No, it wasn't it was it was on the high 528 00:28:35,973 --> 00:28:38,773 Speaker 5: side in those days, wasn't it anything about above two 529 00:28:38,813 --> 00:28:41,373 Speaker 5: fifty you felt like you had a pretty good shot 530 00:28:41,413 --> 00:28:44,333 Speaker 5: of winning the match if you bowled and fielded half decent. 531 00:28:44,493 --> 00:28:47,693 Speaker 5: So I think perhaps the confidence came towards from the 532 00:28:47,733 --> 00:28:50,133 Speaker 5: fact that we'd chased two sixty in the semi final 533 00:28:50,533 --> 00:28:53,893 Speaker 5: against Pakistan and they had a very strong, violent line 534 00:28:53,933 --> 00:28:57,053 Speaker 5: up the lights of to claim rushtack as well, and 535 00:28:57,093 --> 00:28:59,453 Speaker 5: we managed to chase that down, so there was confidence 536 00:28:59,453 --> 00:29:01,853 Speaker 5: that we could do that. We lost some wickets at 537 00:29:01,893 --> 00:29:03,773 Speaker 5: different stages and we knew that it was going to 538 00:29:03,773 --> 00:29:07,053 Speaker 5: take something exceptional to get us over the line, and 539 00:29:07,093 --> 00:29:09,213 Speaker 5: that was really where the innings from Chris Kens came in. 540 00:29:09,293 --> 00:29:11,173 Speaker 5: Then he got some help from some others. I think 541 00:29:11,173 --> 00:29:13,693 Speaker 5: it was a partnership with Chris Harris that just steadied 542 00:29:13,693 --> 00:29:15,853 Speaker 5: the ship at a time when we wobbled a little 543 00:29:15,853 --> 00:29:18,293 Speaker 5: bit and lost a few wickets. But again I go 544 00:29:18,373 --> 00:29:20,213 Speaker 5: back to the point that we were only chasing two 545 00:29:20,253 --> 00:29:23,173 Speaker 5: sixty instead of two to eighty two ninety three hundred, 546 00:29:23,253 --> 00:29:24,613 Speaker 5: which would have been a different story. 547 00:29:25,093 --> 00:29:28,413 Speaker 2: I think sometimes we tend to underplay our team that 548 00:29:28,693 --> 00:29:31,973 Speaker 2: was in that tournament because you look at the Indian 549 00:29:32,133 --> 00:29:35,853 Speaker 2: side Ganngoli ten darker ratherd you've rustling and on and 550 00:29:35,893 --> 00:29:38,653 Speaker 2: on and on, and the Pakistan side were a very 551 00:29:38,653 --> 00:29:41,573 Speaker 2: good side as well. To beat both of them had 552 00:29:41,613 --> 00:29:44,813 Speaker 2: to be an outstanding performance. And I suppose there are 553 00:29:44,813 --> 00:29:48,333 Speaker 2: some parallels between that side and this current side at 554 00:29:48,373 --> 00:29:52,013 Speaker 2: the champions Trophy right across the board. Team performance. 555 00:29:52,933 --> 00:29:55,493 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's one of the strengths of New Zealand teams 556 00:29:55,853 --> 00:29:58,653 Speaker 5: over the years, isn't it That we don't and we 557 00:29:58,693 --> 00:30:00,653 Speaker 5: can't rely on one or two players. Some of the 558 00:30:00,693 --> 00:30:04,093 Speaker 5: other sides have that star quality, but we rely on 559 00:30:04,613 --> 00:30:07,533 Speaker 5: every player and that Plane eleven or even the squad 560 00:30:07,573 --> 00:30:09,613 Speaker 5: because we had got that came in and out of 561 00:30:10,013 --> 00:30:12,733 Speaker 5: out of the squad, the Plane leven over those three games, 562 00:30:12,773 --> 00:30:15,413 Speaker 5: just coming in and doing their job and every everyone 563 00:30:15,533 --> 00:30:17,493 Speaker 5: does that, then we know that we're going to have 564 00:30:17,533 --> 00:30:19,573 Speaker 5: a good day. And we had a very good side. 565 00:30:19,653 --> 00:30:21,453 Speaker 5: You know, Roger Teos was probably at the peak of 566 00:30:21,493 --> 00:30:24,293 Speaker 5: his powers in terms of being one of the best 567 00:30:24,293 --> 00:30:27,053 Speaker 5: One day International batters in the world at that stage. 568 00:30:27,653 --> 00:30:30,253 Speaker 5: We had likes of Astor and Spaming at the top, 569 00:30:30,293 --> 00:30:33,493 Speaker 5: who generally got us off to an explosive start. We 570 00:30:33,573 --> 00:30:36,133 Speaker 5: had a lot of guys that we're all around us 571 00:30:36,133 --> 00:30:39,493 Speaker 5: who could bowl a few overs chipping here, but it's 572 00:30:39,493 --> 00:30:42,653 Speaker 5: a lot of all around cricketers that could do the job. 573 00:30:42,773 --> 00:30:45,293 Speaker 5: So it was a good, well blended New Zealand side 574 00:30:45,293 --> 00:30:48,253 Speaker 5: that you know, it's still remarkable was that that's the 575 00:30:48,293 --> 00:30:51,733 Speaker 5: only I guess white ball trophy that were won over 576 00:30:51,773 --> 00:30:53,853 Speaker 5: all the years. We've got close in some other tournaments 577 00:30:53,893 --> 00:30:54,293 Speaker 5: and we. 578 00:30:55,453 --> 00:30:57,853 Speaker 2: Yes we have indeed, but we won't bring those up. 579 00:30:58,573 --> 00:31:00,053 Speaker 2: Chris Kens one hundred and two. You know, it was 580 00:31:00,093 --> 00:31:04,013 Speaker 2: a run of ball innings. He could be a dynamic player. 581 00:31:04,053 --> 00:31:07,693 Speaker 2: I'm sure you batted with and against him at times 582 00:31:08,053 --> 00:31:10,493 Speaker 2: in in games where he was a dominant feature. 583 00:31:11,173 --> 00:31:13,493 Speaker 5: Yeah, I did obviously playing for Canterbury over the years 584 00:31:13,493 --> 00:31:15,573 Speaker 5: with Chris as well, we spent a lot of time 585 00:31:15,773 --> 00:31:18,693 Speaker 5: in the middle and I was just you know, always 586 00:31:18,733 --> 00:31:21,773 Speaker 5: loved batting with him because he scored quickly for a start, 587 00:31:21,813 --> 00:31:23,893 Speaker 5: so there was never any scoring pressure when you're out 588 00:31:23,893 --> 00:31:26,973 Speaker 5: in the middle with Chris Kens, and you know, just 589 00:31:27,013 --> 00:31:29,413 Speaker 5: the ability to hit the ball so hard that you 590 00:31:29,453 --> 00:31:32,013 Speaker 5: could see it put fear in opposition bowling lineups at 591 00:31:32,053 --> 00:31:35,893 Speaker 5: times because if he got going and he was in 592 00:31:35,933 --> 00:31:37,493 Speaker 5: a mood, then you know that there was going to 593 00:31:37,493 --> 00:31:40,013 Speaker 5: be some habit to pay. So I think the thing 594 00:31:40,053 --> 00:31:42,293 Speaker 5: that stood out about that innings in that final against 595 00:31:42,333 --> 00:31:45,413 Speaker 5: India was just the calmness because I think it was 596 00:31:45,533 --> 00:31:47,533 Speaker 5: one hundred and two from one hundred and thirteen balls, 597 00:31:47,573 --> 00:31:49,893 Speaker 5: which for Chris you would probably say this a little 598 00:31:49,893 --> 00:31:52,053 Speaker 5: bit on the slow side, but he actually assessed the 599 00:31:52,093 --> 00:31:55,453 Speaker 5: conditions and the situation of the game really well because 600 00:31:55,493 --> 00:31:57,933 Speaker 5: we'd lost some wickets as I mentioned, and we just 601 00:31:58,013 --> 00:32:01,573 Speaker 5: needed a partnership Chris Harris, who did that in a 602 00:32:01,693 --> 00:32:03,933 Speaker 5: number of times for New Zealand over the years, with 603 00:32:04,053 --> 00:32:07,533 Speaker 5: probably the perfect foil in that partnership. And once they 604 00:32:07,533 --> 00:32:09,613 Speaker 5: had sort of done that and got that partnership going, 605 00:32:09,693 --> 00:32:11,653 Speaker 5: and I just sort of you could feel within the 606 00:32:11,773 --> 00:32:14,213 Speaker 5: changing room too, the guy sitting there watching there was 607 00:32:14,533 --> 00:32:16,773 Speaker 5: a thing to belief that, yes, we can do this 608 00:32:17,613 --> 00:32:19,733 Speaker 5: sort of started to grow within the group, which was 609 00:32:19,813 --> 00:32:20,613 Speaker 5: quite cool. 610 00:32:20,973 --> 00:32:23,693 Speaker 2: Yeah, And there was reports that Cans might not have 611 00:32:23,773 --> 00:32:25,973 Speaker 2: played that game. He had an injury and didn't play 612 00:32:26,013 --> 00:32:28,693 Speaker 2: in the semifinal against PAKISTANSI right. 613 00:32:29,013 --> 00:32:32,173 Speaker 5: Yeah, it is right. He didn't play against Pakistan in 614 00:32:32,173 --> 00:32:35,853 Speaker 5: the semifinal. He was having an initie with his knee, 615 00:32:36,453 --> 00:32:39,693 Speaker 5: so I think it was one of those fifty to 616 00:32:39,733 --> 00:32:42,573 Speaker 5: fifty calls and in the end it was decided that 617 00:32:43,693 --> 00:32:46,213 Speaker 5: he wouldn't play. Watching the end proved to be a 618 00:32:46,213 --> 00:32:48,893 Speaker 5: bit of a master stroke because we got up over 619 00:32:48,973 --> 00:32:51,093 Speaker 5: Pakistan and then he was fit enough to play in 620 00:32:51,093 --> 00:32:54,453 Speaker 5: the final. So I mean, he perhaps might have played 621 00:32:54,453 --> 00:32:57,733 Speaker 5: in that semi final, but it would have been disappointing 622 00:32:57,773 --> 00:32:59,813 Speaker 5: if we hadn't got up there, and then he was 623 00:32:59,853 --> 00:33:02,333 Speaker 5: available for the final, so that was I guess another 624 00:33:02,373 --> 00:33:05,333 Speaker 5: confidence booster have him back for that final after he 625 00:33:05,413 --> 00:33:08,213 Speaker 5: was unavailable or not quite fit enough for that semi 626 00:33:08,333 --> 00:33:09,493 Speaker 5: final against Bogustan. 627 00:33:10,173 --> 00:33:12,173 Speaker 2: You had some personal highs on those right through a 628 00:33:12,213 --> 00:33:17,653 Speaker 2: long career and the ability to win matches and pick 629 00:33:17,733 --> 00:33:20,173 Speaker 2: up results that might not have been expected. Where does 630 00:33:20,213 --> 00:33:23,413 Speaker 2: something like this sit personally for you? And winning an 631 00:33:23,613 --> 00:33:25,893 Speaker 2: ICC title just to. 632 00:33:25,853 --> 00:33:27,613 Speaker 5: Sit right up near the top one is to be 633 00:33:27,653 --> 00:33:32,093 Speaker 5: fair because of the opposition and because it was effectively 634 00:33:32,133 --> 00:33:35,213 Speaker 5: a mini World Cup, it was a new format. I 635 00:33:35,213 --> 00:33:38,453 Speaker 5: think we'd played a previous one in ninety seven. I 636 00:33:38,493 --> 00:33:41,213 Speaker 5: think I think we played that in Bangladesh and actually 637 00:33:41,293 --> 00:33:43,333 Speaker 5: I think Zimbabwe might have even knocked us out of 638 00:33:43,373 --> 00:33:46,333 Speaker 5: the tournament. So it was one of those tournaments that 639 00:33:46,573 --> 00:33:49,413 Speaker 5: was a straight knockout, so that always put pressure on 640 00:33:49,893 --> 00:33:53,293 Speaker 5: we've done well previously at World Cups and got to 641 00:33:53,373 --> 00:33:56,973 Speaker 5: semi finals. For the team to actually get over the 642 00:33:56,973 --> 00:33:59,533 Speaker 5: line and win a final was something very special and 643 00:33:59,573 --> 00:34:03,693 Speaker 5: something that we cherished very highly because you know, we 644 00:34:03,813 --> 00:34:06,333 Speaker 5: never in New Zealand teams went into any tournament, whether 645 00:34:06,333 --> 00:34:09,093 Speaker 5: it was a champions Trophy or a will Cut, we 646 00:34:09,093 --> 00:34:12,413 Speaker 5: were never the favorites. We were generally one of the 647 00:34:12,493 --> 00:34:15,093 Speaker 5: dark horses that people didn't talk a lot about. So 648 00:34:15,573 --> 00:34:18,453 Speaker 5: to actually come away with the silverware from that tournament 649 00:34:18,573 --> 00:34:19,573 Speaker 5: was something very special. 650 00:34:19,933 --> 00:34:23,933 Speaker 2: Was that because you didn't have obviously potential match whiners. 651 00:34:23,973 --> 00:34:26,173 Speaker 2: I mean we look at that side now we know 652 00:34:26,253 --> 00:34:30,973 Speaker 2: what type of cricketer Nathan Asta was, Fleming two's kens, etc. 653 00:34:31,573 --> 00:34:34,933 Speaker 2: But there were some players that didn't make a lot 654 00:34:34,973 --> 00:34:39,173 Speaker 2: of international impact that Shane O'Connor was an outstanding left 655 00:34:39,293 --> 00:34:44,333 Speaker 2: unbliso was Jeff Allott and they played significant roles around 656 00:34:44,373 --> 00:34:45,213 Speaker 2: that era. 657 00:34:45,013 --> 00:34:47,973 Speaker 5: Didn't they They surely did. Yeah, there was a number 658 00:34:48,013 --> 00:34:51,973 Speaker 5: of players through that era that probably didn't have long 659 00:34:52,013 --> 00:34:55,213 Speaker 5: international careers and an injury for a number of them 660 00:34:55,333 --> 00:34:58,373 Speaker 5: was the reason for that. Jeff Ellot in a prime example, 661 00:34:58,373 --> 00:35:02,133 Speaker 5: who had back issues and didn't play half as many 662 00:35:02,133 --> 00:35:04,053 Speaker 5: games as what he could have or should have if 663 00:35:04,053 --> 00:35:06,973 Speaker 5: he had been injury free. I think once when I 664 00:35:07,013 --> 00:35:10,373 Speaker 5: look back at it, that era international crifting here was 665 00:35:10,453 --> 00:35:13,573 Speaker 5: very strong and I look at Australia, I look at Pakistan, 666 00:35:13,693 --> 00:35:16,573 Speaker 5: I look at India, I look at South Africa and 667 00:35:16,693 --> 00:35:19,173 Speaker 5: they were very very strong sides. And if you go 668 00:35:19,293 --> 00:35:22,693 Speaker 5: back through time and you look at those teams through 669 00:35:22,733 --> 00:35:25,773 Speaker 5: that period, there'd be probably half a dozen players in 670 00:35:25,853 --> 00:35:29,253 Speaker 5: each of those sides that would be their greatest, would 671 00:35:29,293 --> 00:35:31,253 Speaker 5: make their greatest all time eleven. So it was a 672 00:35:31,373 --> 00:35:33,893 Speaker 5: very strong era that you know, we had very good 673 00:35:33,893 --> 00:35:39,773 Speaker 5: players as we mentioned, good expected players, but we're up 674 00:35:39,853 --> 00:35:42,253 Speaker 5: against them, some of the greats of the world at 675 00:35:42,253 --> 00:35:45,253 Speaker 5: that particular time for them, very strong side, so we've 676 00:35:45,253 --> 00:35:47,533 Speaker 5: got most of the present and I guess was in 677 00:35:47,533 --> 00:35:49,213 Speaker 5: the New Zealand way, we were quite happy with that. 678 00:35:49,333 --> 00:35:51,813 Speaker 5: We were happy being the underdogs and just going about 679 00:35:51,813 --> 00:35:54,573 Speaker 5: our work and trying to surprise people and that's what 680 00:35:54,573 --> 00:35:56,333 Speaker 5: we managed to do in that Champions Trophy. 681 00:35:56,613 --> 00:36:00,533 Speaker 2: Yeah, lovely memories there from Craig McMillan and a good 682 00:36:00,613 --> 00:36:04,013 Speaker 2: victory for New Zealand. As we mentioned, they beat two 683 00:36:04,453 --> 00:36:09,973 Speaker 2: quality sides, Pakistan and the Indian side in the final. 684 00:36:10,013 --> 00:36:13,213 Speaker 2: I remember it because I called it off the TV 685 00:36:13,613 --> 00:36:17,733 Speaker 2: on the telephone. I don't know why I was doing that. 686 00:36:19,213 --> 00:36:22,693 Speaker 2: We didn't go to the competition in those days because 687 00:36:22,693 --> 00:36:26,333 Speaker 2: it was costing too much. So I do have those memories. 688 00:36:26,373 --> 00:36:29,133 Speaker 2: I don't know whether you remember that tournament. I just 689 00:36:29,173 --> 00:36:31,773 Speaker 2: remember it because of the kens and things and the 690 00:36:31,813 --> 00:36:32,453 Speaker 2: fact we won. 691 00:36:33,293 --> 00:36:37,093 Speaker 3: Well, especially yeah, especially because we won, and because it 692 00:36:37,133 --> 00:36:39,413 Speaker 3: was it was over pretty quickly, wasn't it. 693 00:36:39,533 --> 00:36:41,293 Speaker 4: What did they play? Three matches games? 694 00:36:42,653 --> 00:36:42,893 Speaker 9: Yeah? 695 00:36:42,933 --> 00:36:48,413 Speaker 3: Well yeah, well and three pretty strong. I mean those 696 00:36:48,453 --> 00:36:53,693 Speaker 3: two other sides they played. I know Maca mentioned Zimbabwe 697 00:36:53,853 --> 00:36:56,413 Speaker 3: was strong, but they you know, it was that they 698 00:36:56,493 --> 00:36:58,773 Speaker 3: came to New Zealand. I can remember you and I 699 00:36:58,853 --> 00:37:01,293 Speaker 3: are commentating on it on the Test Series and I 700 00:37:01,333 --> 00:37:04,653 Speaker 3: think Zimbabwe won it with the one of the Test 701 00:37:04,733 --> 00:37:06,853 Speaker 3: Series against New Zealand here in New Zealand. 702 00:37:07,213 --> 00:37:07,933 Speaker 4: And it was the. 703 00:37:07,813 --> 00:37:11,493 Speaker 3: Players like Streak and the Longer and Paul strang And 704 00:37:11,493 --> 00:37:15,973 Speaker 3: and you know the two Flower brothers, Alistair campbell Is 705 00:37:15,973 --> 00:37:19,693 Speaker 3: and they guy Whittle remember him. He bowled for mediums 706 00:37:19,733 --> 00:37:23,093 Speaker 3: and could hit it as well. Yeah, as Stuart Carlisle 707 00:37:23,133 --> 00:37:26,253 Speaker 3: and so on. So they were a strong side. They 708 00:37:26,333 --> 00:37:29,053 Speaker 3: got you know New Zealand got two sixty and bowled 709 00:37:29,093 --> 00:37:34,253 Speaker 3: them out. But then the Pakistan side was said, Mohammed 710 00:37:34,333 --> 00:37:38,013 Speaker 3: Yusuf in zam arm Remember that jogger e jaz armored. 711 00:37:38,053 --> 00:37:40,133 Speaker 3: He looked like he had spent his life on a track, 712 00:37:40,773 --> 00:37:44,933 Speaker 3: very bandy legg and yeah, that's right. And then it 713 00:37:44,973 --> 00:37:49,293 Speaker 3: was he mentioned was Hem and Saklay Mushtak of course, 714 00:37:49,613 --> 00:37:52,613 Speaker 3: but then there was Azama Mood and he was I 715 00:37:52,653 --> 00:37:55,613 Speaker 3: think either Azra abd Razak. I think he's the bowling 716 00:37:55,613 --> 00:37:58,013 Speaker 3: coach at the moment. I saw him the last night 717 00:37:58,133 --> 00:38:03,013 Speaker 3: actually in the Yeah. So, and then Mowen Kahan was 718 00:38:03,013 --> 00:38:05,893 Speaker 3: the captain, he was the wike keeper I think. So 719 00:38:06,053 --> 00:38:08,293 Speaker 3: that was a strong side and they managed to be 720 00:38:08,453 --> 00:38:11,653 Speaker 3: then that was a similar kind of total two fifty odd. 721 00:38:12,693 --> 00:38:15,493 Speaker 3: So well done in New Zealand there. I mean, that 722 00:38:15,613 --> 00:38:17,493 Speaker 3: was a fantastic effort make us. 723 00:38:17,453 --> 00:38:17,773 Speaker 5: To all this. 724 00:38:18,133 --> 00:38:20,853 Speaker 2: And I just wonder whether you have any thoughts on 725 00:38:20,893 --> 00:38:26,253 Speaker 2: the lack cap performance of beating the pakistanis three times. 726 00:38:26,533 --> 00:38:29,733 Speaker 5: Yeah, it shouldn't be underestimated how difficult that is to do, 727 00:38:29,853 --> 00:38:32,293 Speaker 5: to be Pakistan and their own conditions not only once 728 00:38:32,733 --> 00:38:35,493 Speaker 5: but three times within a sort of two week period. 729 00:38:35,613 --> 00:38:38,773 Speaker 5: So an excellent start from the New Zealand boys. And 730 00:38:38,813 --> 00:38:41,653 Speaker 5: one of the key things about these champions Trophies and 731 00:38:41,693 --> 00:38:45,013 Speaker 5: Will Cups as momentum, and once you have momentum, then 732 00:38:45,053 --> 00:38:47,013 Speaker 5: you can be a very hard thing to stop. So 733 00:38:47,493 --> 00:38:50,493 Speaker 5: New Zealand looks. I thought they did an excellent job 734 00:38:50,533 --> 00:38:53,093 Speaker 5: with the bat. Having two guys get hundreds always helps, 735 00:38:54,093 --> 00:38:57,933 Speaker 5: but they just seem really comfortable in those Pakistan conditions. 736 00:38:57,933 --> 00:39:01,013 Speaker 5: So guys did a good job with the ball. Fielding 737 00:39:01,093 --> 00:39:04,253 Speaker 5: was good. So yeah, the perfect start and it's one 738 00:39:04,253 --> 00:39:06,293 Speaker 5: of those ones where you lose a game and you're 739 00:39:06,293 --> 00:39:09,733 Speaker 5: almost out of the tournament. So it was just what 740 00:39:09,773 --> 00:39:11,853 Speaker 5: they needed. And I guess now with that went over 741 00:39:11,933 --> 00:39:15,253 Speaker 5: Pakistan with two matches left to play, destiny is in 742 00:39:15,293 --> 00:39:17,213 Speaker 5: their own hands and that's what you always want at 743 00:39:17,253 --> 00:39:18,173 Speaker 5: these tournaments. 744 00:39:18,613 --> 00:39:20,533 Speaker 2: As I was saying to you, I was eating a 745 00:39:20,573 --> 00:39:23,533 Speaker 2: little bit of humble pie because I had reservations about 746 00:39:23,733 --> 00:39:26,093 Speaker 2: Tom Latham batting at number five. He hadn't been in 747 00:39:26,173 --> 00:39:30,133 Speaker 2: great form. I'm happy to eat that humble pint it out. 748 00:39:30,653 --> 00:39:32,133 Speaker 2: What a good way to answer your critics. 749 00:39:33,093 --> 00:39:35,133 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, he's a quantity player and has been over 750 00:39:35,173 --> 00:39:37,773 Speaker 5: a long period of time. I think, if he would 751 00:39:37,813 --> 00:39:39,773 Speaker 5: say himself, he's probably been a little bit of shorter 752 00:39:39,893 --> 00:39:42,613 Speaker 5: runs in terms of his high standard over the last 753 00:39:42,613 --> 00:39:45,733 Speaker 5: season was But I guess what you get with the 754 00:39:45,893 --> 00:39:49,213 Speaker 5: likes of Tom Latham that when they play well, they 755 00:39:49,253 --> 00:39:52,573 Speaker 5: win your matches. And that hundred was crucial. Really seventy 756 00:39:52,613 --> 00:39:54,253 Speaker 5: for three. There was a little bit of a wobble, 757 00:39:54,333 --> 00:39:58,173 Speaker 5: wasn't there for New Zealand. But Will Young and Tom 758 00:39:58,253 --> 00:40:03,373 Speaker 5: Latham really sort of solidified that New Zealand batting performance 759 00:40:03,533 --> 00:40:06,173 Speaker 5: and allowed the likes of Glen Phillips to come in 760 00:40:06,253 --> 00:40:09,333 Speaker 5: and put the finishing touches on. So, yeah, we know 761 00:40:09,373 --> 00:40:12,053 Speaker 5: what a quality player. Tom Latham is one of the 762 00:40:12,133 --> 00:40:14,973 Speaker 5: experienced players in that side. And I guess that's the 763 00:40:15,013 --> 00:40:17,973 Speaker 5: other thing from back in two thousand is the experienced 764 00:40:17,973 --> 00:40:20,733 Speaker 5: players that stand up and lead the way in New Zealand. 765 00:40:20,773 --> 00:40:22,893 Speaker 5: Will need that this tournament as well. So that was 766 00:40:22,893 --> 00:40:23,733 Speaker 5: an excellent start. 767 00:40:25,253 --> 00:40:28,333 Speaker 2: Did you ever take a catch like Glenn Thilpe's too, I. 768 00:40:28,293 --> 00:40:31,453 Speaker 5: Couldn't move like that was to begin with, so no, no, 769 00:40:31,533 --> 00:40:33,893 Speaker 5: I don't remember ever taking a catch like that. I 770 00:40:33,893 --> 00:40:36,573 Speaker 5: remember occasionally the ball would five past you and you'd 771 00:40:36,573 --> 00:40:38,213 Speaker 5: stick up a hand to the guy on the boundary 772 00:40:38,253 --> 00:40:40,533 Speaker 5: that it was coming his way. But that's the thing 773 00:40:40,533 --> 00:40:42,773 Speaker 5: with Glen Phillips. He takes those catches. I've seen him 774 00:40:42,853 --> 00:40:45,253 Speaker 5: drop some really easy catches as well, which sort of 775 00:40:45,693 --> 00:40:47,453 Speaker 5: you shake your head and think, how can he take 776 00:40:47,493 --> 00:40:50,733 Speaker 5: those catches and drop the odd easy one? But he 777 00:40:50,813 --> 00:40:52,813 Speaker 5: is electric to hea in the field. He just gives 778 00:40:52,853 --> 00:40:56,493 Speaker 5: you that energy which everyone feeds off and quite often 779 00:40:56,613 --> 00:40:58,533 Speaker 5: some of those catches that he pulls off. Have seen 780 00:40:58,573 --> 00:41:01,253 Speaker 5: it in test matches back home, haven't we. It can 781 00:41:01,293 --> 00:41:03,733 Speaker 5: be game changing and that's why he's such an important 782 00:41:03,733 --> 00:41:07,773 Speaker 5: player and expected player in this New Zealand lineup and. 783 00:41:08,493 --> 00:41:11,853 Speaker 2: Roll with the White Fans. You celebrated something with them, 784 00:41:11,853 --> 00:41:17,293 Speaker 2: of course, they won a title and you've continued that 785 00:41:17,453 --> 00:41:18,613 Speaker 2: involvement in enjoying. 786 00:41:18,293 --> 00:41:21,413 Speaker 5: That, loving it was. It's just great to be back 787 00:41:21,453 --> 00:41:25,453 Speaker 5: in coaching. I had five to six years out of 788 00:41:25,493 --> 00:41:29,973 Speaker 5: coaching doing the commentary and after finishing up with the 789 00:41:30,013 --> 00:41:32,253 Speaker 5: men's side as Banning coach, So it's nice to be 790 00:41:32,293 --> 00:41:34,893 Speaker 5: back in coaching and loving being part of the White 791 00:41:34,893 --> 00:41:39,213 Speaker 5: Fans coaching set up. The girls did something very special 792 00:41:39,333 --> 00:41:42,013 Speaker 5: in Dubai last year, winning the T twenty World Cup, 793 00:41:42,093 --> 00:41:45,053 Speaker 5: which you know, we had gone into that tournament under 794 00:41:45,053 --> 00:41:47,333 Speaker 5: a bit of pressure. We've had a number of losses, 795 00:41:47,333 --> 00:41:49,973 Speaker 5: but I guess as coaching stuff, we saw the improvements 796 00:41:50,013 --> 00:41:52,973 Speaker 5: that the girls were making and despite not getting the 797 00:41:52,973 --> 00:41:55,173 Speaker 5: winds on the board, we saw those improvements and then 798 00:41:55,213 --> 00:41:59,013 Speaker 5: we had a three week period where everything clicked, the 799 00:41:59,053 --> 00:42:01,413 Speaker 5: stars aligned and the girls just played out of their 800 00:42:01,413 --> 00:42:04,373 Speaker 5: skin as we knew they could do. So that was 801 00:42:04,413 --> 00:42:07,413 Speaker 5: a very special three week period that you know, we'll 802 00:42:07,413 --> 00:42:10,653 Speaker 5: go down to New Zealand history is something very special. 803 00:42:10,773 --> 00:42:12,853 Speaker 5: So yeah, I am loving it. It's great to be 804 00:42:12,853 --> 00:42:16,493 Speaker 5: back involved. We've got Sri Lanka in Australia coming to 805 00:42:16,533 --> 00:42:17,733 Speaker 5: our shores later in the summer. 806 00:42:17,773 --> 00:42:18,133 Speaker 3: Sies. 807 00:42:19,173 --> 00:42:21,813 Speaker 5: It's a busy summer ahead in the next week while, 808 00:42:21,893 --> 00:42:24,173 Speaker 5: so looking forward to that. But yeah, great to be 809 00:42:24,213 --> 00:42:25,093 Speaker 5: back involved again. 810 00:42:25,413 --> 00:42:29,333 Speaker 2: Yeah, lovely memories there from Craig McMillan and a good 811 00:42:29,413 --> 00:42:32,813 Speaker 2: victory for New Zealand. As we mentioned, they beat two 812 00:42:33,253 --> 00:42:36,493 Speaker 2: quality sides where a couple more games to go New 813 00:42:36,573 --> 00:42:40,253 Speaker 2: Zealand can qualify for a semi final that we will 814 00:42:40,253 --> 00:42:45,253 Speaker 2: be watching with the great anticipation Bangladesh and then the India. 815 00:42:45,693 --> 00:42:49,373 Speaker 2: So that is all a hitless. You're going to get 816 00:42:49,413 --> 00:42:52,413 Speaker 2: some sleep, JC, because we're going to need it. There 817 00:42:52,493 --> 00:42:55,933 Speaker 2: are a lot, a lot of games to be played 818 00:42:56,413 --> 00:42:59,373 Speaker 2: in a very short space of time, and I don't 819 00:42:59,373 --> 00:43:04,293 Speaker 2: want you having an out on the town nightlife. 820 00:43:04,693 --> 00:43:07,213 Speaker 3: I've got I've got my brother and his wife coming 821 00:43:07,253 --> 00:43:11,053 Speaker 3: down once, dear me, and they've they've insisted that we 822 00:43:11,093 --> 00:43:11,533 Speaker 3: go out. 823 00:43:12,453 --> 00:43:15,213 Speaker 4: Look, I promise, I promise. 824 00:43:15,253 --> 00:43:19,053 Speaker 3: I'll just drink sort of a sparkling water, of course, 825 00:43:19,173 --> 00:43:21,773 Speaker 3: and he'll be bringing some of his product, of course. 826 00:43:22,253 --> 00:43:25,333 Speaker 4: That's right, he will, he will, mate, you know that. 827 00:43:26,373 --> 00:43:28,613 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking forward to Monday's the next game, isn't 828 00:43:28,613 --> 00:43:29,693 Speaker 3: it Monday Night? 829 00:43:29,853 --> 00:43:32,293 Speaker 2: It is, indeed, yep, Yeah, yeah, we'll look forward to 830 00:43:32,293 --> 00:43:35,493 Speaker 2: that one. And then the game against India will reflect 831 00:43:35,533 --> 00:43:38,653 Speaker 2: on those two games in our next on the ground foot, 832 00:43:38,693 --> 00:43:38,973 Speaker 2: shall we. 833 00:43:39,413 --> 00:43:42,733 Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely looking forward to it, all right, Take care, jeez, 834 00:43:43,133 --> 00:43:45,053 Speaker 3: cheer mate, as long as one of us are away. 835 00:43:48,293 --> 00:43:48,653 Speaker 5: Summer. 836 00:43:55,453 --> 00:43:58,413 Speaker 1: For more from News Talks B listen live on air 837 00:43:58,613 --> 00:44:01,293 Speaker 1: or online, and keep our shows with you wherever you 838 00:44:01,373 --> 00:44:03,733 Speaker 1: go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.