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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from newstalk z EDB.

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Speaker 2: The Chiefs have booked their spot in the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: four Super Rugby Pacific Final against the Blues, beating the

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Speaker 2: Hurricanes thirty points to nineteen in yesterday's second semi and Wellington.

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Speaker 1: And decepted by Sir Tit.

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Speaker 2: He's over halfway, he's over the ten. He's over the

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Speaker 2: twenty two beat, chased hard at a great tackle by

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Speaker 2: Devin Flanders. It's still there for the Chiefs. Go out

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Speaker 2: towards the left and they will score in the corner

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Speaker 2: through Daniel Roona Wallace. A tt has been massive tonight.

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Speaker 2: He sprinted fifteen meters, tackled by Flanders, but they recycled

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Speaker 2: quickly Daniel Rona and in the corner. There was a

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Speaker 2: terrific performance from the Chiefs and Wallace of Tit my days.

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Speaker 2: What a player. He reminds me of SIONI Lwaukee the

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Speaker 2: way he plays the game. And he just seems to

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Speaker 2: have a tremendous future, doesn't he Already? I see there

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Speaker 2: are calls for him to be fast tracked into the

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Speaker 2: All Blacks. I guess we and see there's some pretty

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Speaker 2: handy loose forwards going around and Brady and Jose's had

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Speaker 2: a good season two But Wallace Setiti last night Criikee

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs out to a fourteen nil lead after just

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Speaker 2: seven minutes. They led seventeen to seven at halftime. Both

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Speaker 2: score both sides rather scored three tries in the game.

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Speaker 2: The difference a perfect goal kicking performance from Chiefs playmaker

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Speaker 2: Damien McKenzie three penalties as well as three conversions. The

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Speaker 2: Chiefs also played twenty minutes of the game with just

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Speaker 2: fourteen men. Yellow cards to Summer Penny Fenale for head

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Speaker 2: to head contact against TJ Petinada and Luke Jacobson for

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Speaker 2: a late tackle on Jordy Barrett. So the Blues will

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Speaker 2: host the Chiefs in next Saturday's final at Eden Park.

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Speaker 2: Very surely going to chat to Chiefs head coach Clayton

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Speaker 2: McMillan just quickly though. Damien McKenzie a standout last night.

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Speaker 2: He spoke briefly with our sideline I Matt Buck after

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Speaker 2: the final whistle to give his assessment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was tough, probably commend our forwards, you know,

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Speaker 3: last couple of games we've played them, We've we've probably

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Speaker 3: been beating up front, and she's the boys come out

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Speaker 3: and fired right from the star. We had a great

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Speaker 3: start and then so absorbed the pressure under fourteen men

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Speaker 3: for a couple of times was outstanding.

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Speaker 4: So our forwards were awesome.

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Speaker 3: I thought we kicked well, put pressure on through a

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Speaker 3: kicking game, and then come with us some good points

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Speaker 3: and just proud of the aphans of defense, this championship

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Speaker 3: defense and hope were going to take this next week.

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Speaker 4: Damien. The kicking game, you talked about a lot of

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Speaker 4: aerial ping pong? Did that play into your hands? Do

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Speaker 4: you enjoy that you were kicking the ball well? But

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Speaker 4: were you surprised how much ball the Hurricanes kicked back

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Speaker 4: to you although obviously a lot of threats.

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Speaker 3: Back there in their back three. And oh, you know

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Speaker 3: when you come down the caketon, the ones around you

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Speaker 3: just don't know what the ones really doing. So I

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Speaker 3: guess it's about putting us in the right ears of

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Speaker 3: the field. You know, our fords had done a lot

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Speaker 3: front of them, and I thought we did a really

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Speaker 3: good job with that tonight, and our kickchase is excellence.

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Speaker 3: Put them under pressure with their back three are very dangerous,

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Speaker 3: so very heavy.

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Speaker 4: You look very heavy as well. There's a couple of

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Speaker 4: quick ones before I let you go and join your teammates.

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Speaker 4: You've got a pretty hot number of eight unning around

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Speaker 4: at the moment, haven't you made?

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Speaker 3: He's outstandings. He's a young kid, he's he's still learning them,

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Speaker 3: but he's sat right right into his role this year

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Speaker 3: and every week he keeps standing up and he's got

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Speaker 3: of our team. We're going to need him next week.

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Speaker 2: That is Damien mckinns, who will leave it there with

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Speaker 2: Matt buck sideline because Clayton McMillan joins us on weekend Sport.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking the time, Clayton after the overnight test.

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Speaker 2: How pleased are you with last last night's performance?

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Speaker 5: You're got fining pretty pretty good mate. It's always going

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Speaker 5: to be a really tough ass to go down and

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Speaker 5: it'll be a quality Hurricanes team at and Wellington. A

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Speaker 5: lot of teams have gone down there in the past

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Speaker 5: and failed and was really satisfying to get the result

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Speaker 5: and how we look forward to another week.

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Speaker 2: How crucial was your fast start to build a bit

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Speaker 2: of scoreboard pressure on them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we talked about as part of our build up

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Speaker 5: felt that, you know, watching the Hurricanes a week before

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Speaker 5: that expectation that at home to keep winning. So it

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Speaker 5: was important for us to start well and we run

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Speaker 5: a few opportunities which we we we nailed, and you know,

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Speaker 5: we really didn't really reliquish the lead from that point on.

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Speaker 2: Can you just expand on that a bit. You said

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Speaker 2: it in the post match as well, that you sensed

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Speaker 2: some anxiety and the Hurricanes went over the Rebels in

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Speaker 2: their quarter final last weekend. How did you factor that

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Speaker 2: into your game preparation for us today.

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Speaker 5: We're just we just understand from having been in a

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Speaker 5: similar situation fairly recently around how that expectation can you know,

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Speaker 5: way heavy on your mind at times, and we just

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Speaker 5: saw little things in their game that weren't really consistent

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Speaker 5: just that's natural that just that just happens to teams.

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Speaker 5: We felt it, and it's that's why. Yes, as I

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Speaker 5: team like the Crusaders, who everybody's been chasing over the

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Speaker 5: last seven or eight years, and they managed to keep

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Speaker 5: keep winding away. Look, we're just we had to create

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Speaker 5: potentially be chasing the game. And that's what I'm folded.

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Speaker 2: Do you see anything similar in the Blues.

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Speaker 5: Now? The Blues are probably at the other end of

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Speaker 5: the spectrum. I think they're pretty confident with the way

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Speaker 5: they've been going and they were they were pretty impressive

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Speaker 5: for around how they went about their business against the Brumbies,

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Speaker 5: another extremely tough place to go and win. Eden Park.

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Speaker 5: Blues playing a very direct, competive game and even though

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Speaker 5: they've had their fair share of injuries that really care

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Speaker 5: but we won't have to do too much work to understand,

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Speaker 5: you know, how they're going to play the game, what

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Speaker 5: they're going to throw at us on the weekend. But

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Speaker 5: it's a it's a challenge that we're relishing.

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Speaker 2: You lost both of your hookers last night, Summersauny Tokyo

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Speaker 2: who limped off on the first half, Bradley Slater in

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Speaker 2: the SEC and any update you can give us on

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Speaker 5: It's not looking great for Simmasony. He's sort of an

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Speaker 5: at less than the immediate future. And Brenley Slater are

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Speaker 5: back out the next week. But we've got young Tyrone

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Speaker 5: over the last two or three years. He's been sitting

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Speaker 5: get it on the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Sean Stevenson a late withdrawal from yesterday's game. Will he

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Speaker 2: be okay for the final? Do you think?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Well, he's a much stronger chance. So they trained

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Speaker 5: all week with us, but it just wasn't quite at

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Speaker 5: you know, we made a tough decision to leave him out.

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Speaker 5: But the silver lining is that he is potentially going

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Speaker 5: to be in a better space this week, and you

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Speaker 5: know there's another experienced body that would love to have

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Speaker 2: Wallace sa Titi turned a lot of heads last night.

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Speaker 2: In fact, not just last night, He's been doing that

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Speaker 2: right across the season. What have you made of his

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Speaker 2: progress as a Super Rugby player this season?

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Speaker 5: Are pretty rapid, But we always were confident that he

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Speaker 5: had a lot of potential, a very high ceiling. Mean

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Speaker 5: to be fair, probably never really expected him to deliver

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Speaker 5: the sort of performances that he's been able to deliver

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Speaker 5: us first opportunity in about round five of Super ag

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Speaker 5: this year. But look, he's a smart young man, real

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Speaker 5: just a genuinely good human. So he's got all the

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Speaker 5: physical attributes, he's got the mental attitude to go a

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Speaker 5: long way in the game. He's still young men with

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Speaker 2: Window, that's for sure. That's for sure. He had a

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Speaker 2: couple of guys go to the bin last night, Clayton,

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Speaker 2: there was also an incident that appeared to annoy you,

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Speaker 2: actually involving Teacher and Wallace to Titi, is it the

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Speaker 2: inconsistency that is most frustrating for you in these things?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 5: It is to be fair, and I wouldn't be the

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Speaker 5: guess the inconsistency of how some of these tackles have

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Speaker 5: been officiated. And was that pains to point out last

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Speaker 5: night that nothing against you know, the referees and the

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Speaker 5: TMO that made decisions last night, Like we all will

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Speaker 5: ourselves in a position where we just don't know what

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Speaker 5: red card is, what mitigation looks like, from one instance

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Speaker 5: those decisions wrong. But the fact that we can't have

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Speaker 5: out with some agreement around what, you know, what each

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Speaker 5: more money than me at some stage, because you can,

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of our listeners are nodding their

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Speaker 2: Blues coach for and Cotta, who I know you know well,

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Speaker 2: was asked if he'd rather play the Chiefs or the

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Speaker 2: Hurricanes in the final, he said, that's like choosing between

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Speaker 2: cholera and the plague. So which one do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: You guys are.

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Speaker 3: He's he's a.

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Speaker 5: Good man view and he's you know, he's an experience

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Speaker 5: an experienced coach that has got a good way with words.

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Speaker 5: I don't care which one we are or we'll just

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Speaker 5: bring the best version of ourselves and we'll hope that

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Speaker 5: that will cause them a few problems and and then

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Speaker 5: a lot of claire or damage after the last night.

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Speaker 5: So imagine our week. We'll look a little bit different.

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Speaker 5: That will largely be about just getting the bodies right

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Speaker 2: So apart from Summersauny, is there anybody who's definitely out

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Speaker 5: I'll make this Yeah. I don't want to speculate too

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Speaker 2: Japers, All right, Well, I'll let you get into the

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Speaker 2: to do. Just before you go, I do want to

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Speaker 2: thank you for your access. You gave us both here

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Speaker 2: today but also on here last night. It's not every

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Speaker 2: head coach you'll join a radio broadcast before a game

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Speaker 2: and also at halftime. Clayton, we greatly appreciate that. All

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Speaker 2: the best for the week ahead and for the Grand

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Speaker 2: Final as.

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Speaker 5: Well, mate, Yeah, no worries, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: All the best, Clayton McMullan, head coach of the Chiefs,

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Speaker 2: with a big week ahead of him, a second success

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Speaker 2: That is interesting what he said at the end there,

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Speaker 2: So definitely no summer sauny talkie are that's a given

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Speaker 2: Killy's problem. He's out and may well be out of

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Speaker 2: scratcher for Scott Robertson as he plans for his first

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Speaker 2: Tests as All Blacks head coach. He names that side.

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Speaker 2: Incidentally a week tomorrow a thirty two man squad will

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Speaker 2: be named a week tomorrow Monday the twenty what will

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Speaker 2: that be, the twenty fourth of June five point thirty

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Speaker 2: Somemer Sauny trkiyahle Cody Taylor you have to think is

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Speaker 2: And then you start thinking to yourself, who is the

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Speaker 2: oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty anything that

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Speaker 2: you heard from Clayton McMillan, Now, I really really like

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Speaker 2: Clayton McMillan. I must say. I really like the way

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Speaker 2: that he goes about things, just very considered but makes

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Speaker 2: good logical points, coaches that team terrifically well, obviously has

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Speaker 2: the respect of his fellow coaches and all of those

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Speaker 2: players too. And yeah, just just listening to him there

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Speaker 2: and also having the chance to listen to him in

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Speaker 2: the postmatch media conference in Wellington yesterday, it's obvious just

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Speaker 2: what a quality coach and a quality human being he is.

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