1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,599 Speaker 1: On the huddle of this this evening, we have Tris 2 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Shurson Shurson, Willis pr and Joseph a Gunny, chief executive 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: of Child Found. Hello, you too. 4 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 2: Hello. 5 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: I regret I regret how I regret, Trish, the deep 6 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: type that we just did into that. 7 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wandered off. I think I was somewhere back 8 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 3: when I was eighteen on a trip to Russia. 9 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: All I know is these dudes get paid maye much. 10 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: But here's the thing, though, Trish, because it's set by 11 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: the remuneration Authority, there's literally nothing we can do about today. 12 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: We just have to suck up how much these people 13 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: get paid. 14 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: Yes we do. But kudos to Jeff from the Remuneration 15 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 2: Authority because I think when he said, look, these things 16 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 2: are complicated to explain on radio, I think he's right. 17 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: I think it's easy for us right to look at 18 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: these headline figures and make assumptions, but there is a 19 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: lot more to it in the background. And I also 20 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: think you can't just take the rays. You've got to 21 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: look at where that remuneration was set. And if I 22 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 2: was reading the numbers rightly, it was around forty seven K. 23 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: I think currently for a counselor. If you went and 24 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 2: divided that by the amount of hours that a really good, 25 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 2: hard working counselor was putting in, I think you would 26 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 2: find the hourly rate on that would be fairly low. 27 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: So I think that's the part of it that you 28 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: have to think about. And we can all look at 29 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: a figure and go wow, eighty seven thousand dollars for 30 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 2: a counselor is a lot. But again I always break 31 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:29,839 Speaker 2: these things down into an hourly rate and the risk 32 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 2: and the hours that these guys do have to put in. 33 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 2: Regardless of what we think of, you know, what comes 34 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: out of councils, it is a really big, time intensive job. 35 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: I agree with that. But Josie, is the problem here though, 36 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: not that we are so dissatisfied with our counselors and 37 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: we're so grumpy about the service we're getting that any 38 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: money actually frankly feels like too much. 39 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 2: Right. 40 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: So that's the bigger problem, isn't it. Because the problem 41 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 3: we don't have is that we've got way too talented 42 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 3: counselors who are being paid too much. 43 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: That's not the problem we have. 44 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 3: We have a problem where running for counsel is something 45 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 3: you do if you've got nothing else. 46 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: You have Tory Farno as your mayor. Like that is 47 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: how low equality is? Yeah or yeah. 48 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 3: Or it's a golden handshake for an ex MP let alone. 49 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 3: I want to be MP like Tory Farno was. So 50 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 3: you get so you end up having these sort of 51 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 3: you know, retirement jobs for former MPs or somebody who's 52 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 3: done something in the in the community. And so we 53 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 3: want better candidates. And why on earth would you stand 54 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 3: for local government? I mean, it's hard enough to get 55 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 3: people to stand for central government. Why would you stand 56 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 3: for local government. So I think that's actually the bigger problem. 57 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 3: And I agree Trish, I don't begrudge, you know, I 58 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 3: don't begrudge people who decide to do public service and 59 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 3: put in the hours and do it. We need them 60 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 3: to do it. 61 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay. What do you think, Trisha of the move 62 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: on powers? 63 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 2: I think that moving a problem too blocks over isn't 64 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: solving it. I have a problem with the fourteen limit, 65 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: fourteen year age limit in terms of these new powers. 66 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 2: I do feel for police, this is another problem that's 67 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: been shunted down the line for them. And let's remember 68 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 2: what's mixed up in this problem is a whole lot 69 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 2: of stuff, not least of which mental health problems. On 70 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: the flip side of that, I have been very saddened 71 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: by the state of central Auckland, particularly in the last 72 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: six years. When I moved to Auckland at sixteen in 73 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety and we would come into town on a Friday, 74 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: and to me, it was like going to New York. 75 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 2: I just thought it was so amazing. There was a 76 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: huge vibe. I think the culture shift in town after 77 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: COVID has really impacted it. We're on a Friday. Everyone 78 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: would finish work and they'd go to drinks and that 79 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: just fill the city right up with a lot of life. 80 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 2: Now everyone just wants to get out and go home. 81 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 2: But we've talked a lot in the huddle between the 82 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: three of us about sort of headline policies that when 83 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,119 Speaker 2: you get under the skin of them, aren't really addressing 84 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: the are key problems. And that's my fear with this. 85 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, Okay, I want your thoughts, but I 86 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: want them after the break. If that's okay, Josie, and 87 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: you're back with the huddle Trischerson and Joe Spaghani, Right, Josie, 88 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on the move on orders, Well, 89 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: I agree with Trish. 90 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 3: You don't solve it simpeople I'm moving at two blocks down. 91 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 3: You've got to consult with the housing charities that are 92 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 3: out there. If they're saying there's nowhere for them to go, 93 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 3: then there's nowhere for them to go. But I also 94 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 3: know that you don't solve it by doing on the 95 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 3: other side of the political spectrum of sort of renaming 96 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 3: it unhoused and like that in San Francisco where they 97 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 3: just allocated a whole area and everybody put up their 98 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 3: tents and basically they're destroyed the city. So we need 99 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 3: better ideas than that when and we do need to 100 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 3: resource the call problems. I mean, that's that's the obvious thing. 101 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 3: So and everybody knows that we're just pulling a hat. 102 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: I thought Carl Tiffan Barker of Wellington City Council kind 103 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 1: of hit the nail on the head. It was like, 104 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: everybody's calling this a homelessness problem, it's actually a drug 105 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: addiction problem and a mental health problem. And just from 106 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: what I am seeing when I walk around Auckland, that's 107 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, all right now, Josie, what do 108 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: you think of chip speech? Were you convinced, you're like, 109 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: this is the guy to fix the problems? 110 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 3: Well, I know it was full of platitudes. It did 111 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 3: sound a little bit like it had been run through 112 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 3: a translation service three times. But he's trying to be boring, right, 113 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 3: and he succeeded. So he's trying to do a different 114 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 3: thing than what Jacinda did. So he's not promising everything. 115 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 3: He's not giving a whole list of things that he's 116 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 3: going to do. He's going to say, you know, we're 117 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 3: going to do jobs, health, housing and so on. So 118 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 3: he's hitting the right notes. The problem he's got is 119 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 3: he hasn't ruled out some of the daft things that 120 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 3: happened Undersindra A Dune's labor government. So all of those 121 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 3: things that we look at now, like the ban on 122 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,119 Speaker 3: oil and gas, like the electric car subsidy, the cycle 123 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 3: way across the Harbor Bridge, none of those were in 124 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 3: the pre election manifestos for labor. They were all surprises. 125 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 3: So I think what he needs to do to get 126 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 3: you know, people like you and others saying okay, I 127 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 3: get it that you've seen what we've seen. He needs 128 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 3: to go yep, that stuff was not in the election manifesto. 129 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 3: There wasn't really a mandate for it, and we did 130 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 3: muck that up, you know, and I am ruling that 131 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 3: out because otherwise he's just going to get every question 132 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 3: like will you rule out this? Will you rule out 133 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 3: Lake Onslow? And as Trisha said, you know already kind 134 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 3: of saying we were talking about this in the break, 135 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 3: but already ruling out the LNG you know, facility. So 136 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 3: you might not like that, but it's something that we're 137 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 3: trying to get investors to come in and invest in 138 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 3: infrastructure here. And if you've got an opposition MP an 139 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 3: opposition leader saying well, we'll rule it out the minute 140 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 3: we get in. So there's a bit of negativity there, 141 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 3: and I think Labor have to be really careful that 142 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,799 Speaker 3: they don't do a Peter Dutton. You know, Peter Dutton 143 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 3: in Australia was ahead in the polls for two years, 144 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 3: you know, in opposition to the government, Labor Albanesi government, 145 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 3: and then something happened, and that's something was Trump and 146 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 3: he got found out that he didn't have any policies, 147 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 3: didn't have a vision. Because you don't get the feeling 148 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 3: that Labour's set around for the last three years working 149 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 3: out what they're going to do in government. So everything's 150 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 3: going to rest on that promise that should be made 151 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 3: to announce good policies and citing. 152 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: Polonies after May. Yeah, what do you think, triush Well? 153 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: I was there at the speech and what interested me 154 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 2: is that Chris Hopkins I think is trying to reinvent 155 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 2: himself as the anti politician. So he's now been in 156 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 2: Parliament since two thousand and eight, so almost twenty years, 157 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 2: eighteen years. So he's talking about only going to the 158 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 2: election with policies that are affordable and that can actually work. 159 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: He is talking about those basics like you know, housing 160 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: and health and. 161 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 3: So nothing anyone would disagree with. 162 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: Nothing out of the problem, No exactly, but a lot 163 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: of it. I think the problem for Chippy is that 164 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 2: credibility problem. It's very hard even when I went today 165 00:07:56,040 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: with a beginner's mind, but it's very hard to feel 166 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 2: any of that is credible. And I think the other problem, 167 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: and cutos for doing the speech in Auckland because that's 168 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,679 Speaker 2: where the fighters and where a labor absolutely lost business 169 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 2: last time. But standing in a room of Auckland business 170 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 2: people and just repeating words like productivity and innovation and 171 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 2: R and D. I can't tell you how many labor 172 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 2: press releases I saw under the previous government that talked 173 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: about the need for more of those and didn't get there, 174 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 2: and business bingo. Yeah, and overall it reminded me of 175 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 2: that saying of Barack Obama where he said, I have 176 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 2: a lot of people who can tell me the what, 177 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 2: but very few who can tell me the why. And 178 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: I think that's Hipkins's problem. 179 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 3: To be fair, he is trying and you can see 180 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: this in the narrative by saying, you know, we got 181 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 3: some things wrong last time. We've got a not over promise. 182 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 3: We can't over promise one hundred thousand ki we houses 183 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 3: and then not deliver them. 184 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: So he knows welcome to basic like this. 185 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 3: Yes, but at least he's saying the right thing. And 186 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 3: this is what I mean. If they come up with 187 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 3: some policies, and they have come up with capital gains tax, 188 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 3: a very very tiny, small one. It's the sort of 189 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 3: slim you know, Latin. But yeah, if they come up 190 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 3: with some good policies and may then then that narrative 191 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 3: will start to set in that is not going to 192 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 3: do a justinder doing government. 193 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 2: But the problem is, and this is where the to 194 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 2: be saying categorically today that if they are government, they 195 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 2: will absolutely not go through with the L and G 196 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 2: terminal that the government's committed to. So the problem with 197 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: that is, on the other hand, he's saying, when it 198 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 2: comes to infrastructure, we have to have a long stable 199 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 2: pipeline and we have to work together, not on this one, 200 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 2: but not anything national, not on this one. So already 201 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 2: you're like, well, what else is? Are we just going 202 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 2: to have governments from here that are a pendulum that 203 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 2: swing and most of your time in government is just 204 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 2: checking out what the other lot did. 205 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a fair point to make. 206 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: Guys. 207 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: It's always lovely to talk to you. Thank you so much. Appreciated, 208 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: Tricious and Joe Beganni hour Hudle this evening. 209 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 3: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 210 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 3: News Talks it B from four pm weekdays, or follow 211 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 3: the podcast on iHeartRadio.