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Speaker 1: Setting the news agenda and digging into the issues.

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Speaker 2: The Mic Hosking.

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Speaker 1: Breakfast with Jaguar the Art of Performance News Talk said.

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Speaker 3: Be well again, Welcome today, more trains of caring.

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Speaker 2: Aura.

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Speaker 3: We're getting back to testing kids at primary school universally.

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Speaker 3: We're not buying a lot of cars. Worst June in years.

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Speaker 3: We've got a good news wall story for you though.

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Speaker 3: Hayden Padden looking forward to the catch up. He's in

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Speaker 3: the Stone, You're ahead of the weekend's rally and he's

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Speaker 3: doing well. He's tired for the league at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Catherine Field updates us from France and Rod is a

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Speaker 3: nervous wreck as he awaits his fate into night's election

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Speaker 3: in the UK Husky Welcome to the Dayly seven past six.

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Speaker 3: The uplifting story of the week. I reckon for me

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Speaker 3: is this thirty percent drop and parents taking kids out

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Speaker 3: of school for holidays. It's a single metric, I get it.

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Speaker 3: It's one travel agent all be at a big one

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Speaker 3: and it's hardly scientific. I understand that, and that's not

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Speaker 3: about to be published in lancet, but it's an insight

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Speaker 3: into what might be happening. And even if it's remotely accurate.

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Speaker 3: It is a sign of several things. Firstly, the power

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Speaker 3: and the necessity of government. Think about it all David

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Speaker 3: Symore said back in Febry was get your kids to school,

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Speaker 3: harden up. We will start keeping data. We will hold

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Speaker 3: schools and you to account and like magic, a problem

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Speaker 3: if not solved, we're starting to get addressed. A government

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Speaker 3: is leadership, and leadership in many, many areas is clearly needed,

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Speaker 3: which is a bit depressing for a person like me.

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Speaker 3: I like to believe in self determination and self starting

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Speaker 3: more you less government. But in a collective sense, we're

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Speaker 3: only as strong as the weakest link. And a social

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Speaker 3: experiment terms, what we have seen in recent years in

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Speaker 3: all sorts of areas is if you let the discipline

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Speaker 3: and the leadership slip, all social hell breaks loose. The

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Speaker 3: presence of police it works. As we heard the Copper

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Speaker 3: say on the program this week, it's based on the

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Speaker 3: British system which is over one hundred years old. Presence

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Speaker 3: and visibility works. Not hard are the testing and schools

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Speaker 3: they announced yesterday that'll have the same effect. If you

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Speaker 3: offer excuses, if you can't be bothered, if you let

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Speaker 3: the guidelines slip, there are those who will revel in

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Speaker 3: being ordinary, if not hopeless. You could, and I do,

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Speaker 3: argue that schools should have driven this absentee as an

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Speaker 3: argument themselves, but they didn't. But when they were told to,

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Speaker 3: it works. What a surprise. Phones in schools, the calamitors

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Speaker 3: mess they predicted. No you haven't heard of peep, have you? Why?

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Speaker 3: Because it works. All that needed was a bit of

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Speaker 3: discipline and a bit of leadership. These are the small

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Speaker 3: battles where the tangible outworkings provide hope. A lot of

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Speaker 3: people wondered and wondered, very loudly, whether the state of

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Speaker 3: this country was so bad it might take years to fix,

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Speaker 3: if it was even possible to fix it.

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Speaker 4: All.

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Speaker 3: Well, these examples this week, I think are a good

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Speaker 3: guy that we might actually be seeing some fruits of

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Speaker 3: some labor. Keep it simple, work hard, expect more. You'll

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Speaker 3: be amazed.

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Speaker 2: News of the world. In ninety seconds.

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Speaker 3: Of voting in the UK, the final polls are up.

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Speaker 5: Labor is on course for a landslide majority tomorrow with

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Speaker 5: a majority of get this two hundred and twelve seats. Now,

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Speaker 5: that would be the biggest majority for any single party

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Speaker 5: since eighteen thirty two. It would break a series of

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Speaker 3: Old mel here he's a Tory. In fact, he's the

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Speaker 3: working pension secretaries trying super hard not to cry.

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Speaker 6: We know there's going to be a labor landslide, but

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Speaker 6: think about having a party in there that is going

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Speaker 6: to be able to oppose some of the things that

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Speaker 6: this government does. When the shine has worn off in

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Speaker 6: six months time, when those taxes have gone up, when

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Speaker 6: your pension is being ready.

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Speaker 3: Lib dooms. After all that aquatic tom foolery, they're upbeat.

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Speaker 7: I think people want to move on from Boris Johnson

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Speaker 7: and Liz Trusts and Richie Sunak and all the damage

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Speaker 7: they've done to our country. And they want to know

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Speaker 7: what you're going to do the future, how you're going

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Speaker 7: to change our country, particularly how you sort of NHS

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Speaker 7: and care. And that's what liberal Democrats are talking about.

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Speaker 3: I've got another pole for you. Shortly meantime, the weather

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Speaker 3: Jamaica standing by to be whacked by Beryl the PM

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Speaker 3: taking the chance to blame climate change.

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Speaker 8: Hurricane further highlights the urgent need for global climate action

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Speaker 8: and targeted support to enhance resilience against the escalating dangers

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Speaker 8: of climate change.

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Speaker 3: I think to winder you with the religious festival went

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Speaker 3: horrifically wrong one hundred and twenty one and did people

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Speaker 9: Those who were crushed and died. People dare pulled them out.

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Speaker 3: And in Kenya they're still on the streets.

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Speaker 8: We wants jobs, we want money because to be doing

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Speaker 8: this everything on there because they want too late what

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Speaker 8: everything killing innocent people and I'm not abducting them.

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Speaker 10: This is nothing.

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Speaker 3: Finally I can reveal we have dinosaurs dying to think

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Speaker 3: for wine. I'm pretty sure I've never said that. New

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Speaker 3: research from a Chicago research center found that it was

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Speaker 3: only when the dinosaurs died out that grapes first started

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Speaker 3: to thrive. This according to grape fossils. They found, if

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Speaker 3: been able to sustain the great growth. Do you believe

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Speaker 3: any of that? News of the world in long bows?

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Speaker 3: In ninety private playroll's job market in America not as

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Speaker 3: cap Private companies had at one hundred and fifty thousand

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Speaker 3: fifty seven thousand made. Dow Jones consensus was one sixty

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Speaker 3: one fifty. They're well short, interesting times. Twelve past six,

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Speaker 3: the hosting breakfast. It's all on a Washington at the moment.

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Speaker 3: A couple of reports, one from the New York Times,

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Speaker 3: but Biden referred to an aid that he was thinking

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Speaker 3: staying in the race. The White House furiously denying it,

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Speaker 3: and as Jean Pierre has been rolled out yet again

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Speaker 3: to sort of elaborate on the yesterday's excuse, which was

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Speaker 3: he had jet leg.

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Speaker 2: It was, you know, indeed a.

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Speaker 11: Schedule where you know, the President traveled six times zones

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Speaker 11: And on top of that, he did have a called

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Speaker 11: much funny.

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Speaker 3: Never complain, never explained. Fifteen past six from j My

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Speaker 3: Wealth Andrew Keller had a good.

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Speaker 9: Morning, God body, Mike. Someone needs to remind Joe that

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Speaker 9: it's the fourth of July.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, he needs a holiday. Well, someone needs to

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Speaker 3: wake him up and tell them it's the fourth of July. Now,

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Speaker 3: retail spending the plus three, does that tell the story

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Speaker 11: Ah?

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Speaker 12: No, Yeah, a bit more data around spending in New Zealand.

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Speaker 12: So yesterday we had the reset of there was two

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Speaker 9: But I'm sort of being.

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Speaker 12: Hopeful that this plethora of data that we have here

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Speaker 9: The end of May.

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Speaker 12: And if you compare that the twenty four number against

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Speaker 12: the twenty three number, there was a three percent rise.

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Speaker 12: But yeah, the tyranny of statistics business you here, Mike,

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Speaker 12: is the corresponding period in twenty twenty three was adversely

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Speaker 12: Zoom out take the popular helicopter view, the longer term

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Speaker 12: trend is basically flatlining, and we've got to trot out

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Speaker 9: Got to take into effect the fact that prices went up.

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Speaker 12: Population growth is probably above two percent, so we might

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Speaker 12: have spent three percent more, but we're probably all taking

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Speaker 12: less stuff home now. Westpact do do an interesting exercise

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Speaker 9: No prizes for guessing what this tells us.

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Speaker 12: For the past eighty months, spending growth by those with

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Speaker 12: there if you've had loans. Breaking it down into categories

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Speaker 9: To last year, So tough for retails. There, you got

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Speaker 9: this question of whether post one July we see a

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Speaker 12: You get the tax changes, you get other policy changes

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Speaker 12: get more money in people's pockets my senses, it won't

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Speaker 12: won't do much. What's interesting, like the Worldline paymark figures

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Speaker 12: unsubstantiated but anecdodal elevens that June was actually took grim

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Speaker 12: to grimmer for retailers the first two weeks of June,

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Speaker 12: especially then they had Matariki weekend at the end, which

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Speaker 9: So Loom not expecting these numbers to improve in June. Either.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, look, there's the same same there. It's ugly.

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Speaker 3: It's not good, yes it is, but come on, in Southland,

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Speaker 3: we love a great school guard.

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Speaker 9: I mean, look, July is the greatest sporting month of

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Speaker 12: I mean, you've got the euro Football, you've got tord

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Speaker 12: de France, got the All Blacks, got.

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Speaker 9: The Olympics, so why not have an economic scoreboard as well? Well?

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Speaker 9: We also listens out there.

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Speaker 12: We'll probably have noticed we're talking a little bit more

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Speaker 12: about the agri sector, little bright light in the gloomy economy.

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Speaker 12: If we sort of park that global dairy trade auction yesterday, well,

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Speaker 12: the agri sector has helped propel Southland to the top

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Speaker 12: of the pile.

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Speaker 9: Go Invercargol.

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Speaker 12: You know, the Blues may have one Super Rugby, but

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Speaker 12: Southland has kicked Auckland off the top spot.

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Speaker 9: And there's the ASP regional scorecard.

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Speaker 12: It's not just agri down there though, construction sector, housing

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Speaker 12: well above average house price growth. Construction being helped by

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Speaker 12: non residential construction. You've had some flood protection construction down there.

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Speaker 9: But data centers were mentioned. Who would have thought Invercargol

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Speaker 12: We've got the halo effect going on because the Targo

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Speaker 2: Now between us, the home of big brand vitamins.

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Speaker 3: Now to turn that around at the last minute, what

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Speaker 3: but then came the question. The question was what's your

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Speaker 1: What would be Richie's dream final supper at number ten

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Speaker 1: before the nights of election.

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Speaker 2: You've got You've got a dinner planned with.

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Speaker 13: The girls and I'll be at home in North Yorkshire.

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Speaker 10: What made a dinner plan?

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Speaker 13: What My favorite meal generally is sandwiches, so that is

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Speaker 3: I like sandwiches.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you go pie, So I'm gonna have a pie anyway.

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Speaker 3: So that not surprisingly has gone off online. They got

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Speaker 1: You're trusted Home for News, for Entertainments, Opinion and Mike

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Speaker 3: Mike, they can't drop Biden out of the race due

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Speaker 3: period of and watching Karoneine Jean Pierre, you can, as

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Speaker 3: I keep saying, you cannot pay that woman enough money

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Speaker 3: half an hour now and they won't let her go home.

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Speaker 3: But how do you deal and explain a candidate like him?

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Speaker 3: Are we about, Mike to see another adon government disaster

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Speaker 3: But people don't go beyond that. They don't go into

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Speaker 3: they're electing. In twenty twenty in this country there was

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Speaker 3: the catch up. See how nervous he is anyway about

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Speaker 3: these NB figures around the future of our use of power?

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Speaker 3: So by twenty fifty years the claim, by twenty fifty

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Speaker 3: So how's this going to happen? The Market Manager Evidence

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Speaker 3: this Mike Morning, Good morning, Mike. How concrete are the numbers?

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Speaker 3: How confident do you feel about them?

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Speaker 15: They represent a range of scenarios the MBS investigator in

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Speaker 3: See twenty five years out. If you go back twenty

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Speaker 15: And that is the important part about having a range

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Speaker 3: So we're talking about a range heresay data centers, how

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Speaker 15: So we've certainly had a lot of signals from the

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Speaker 3: When you talk about electric vehicles, what percentage of the

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Speaker 15: So we do expect that the EV fleet in twenty

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Speaker 15: don't expect complete electrication of the vehicle fleet. There's still

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Speaker 3: And how much variability have you placed into your modeling

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Speaker 15: Obviously, there are decisions that any government can make that

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Speaker 3: How confident are you on our ability to scale up

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Speaker 3: because you bullish on wind apart from anything else, How

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Speaker 16: I think we're already shown that we can do it.

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Speaker 15: There's been substantial increases in solar and wind generation in

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Speaker 3: All right, nice to talk to you, Mike. I appreciate it,

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Speaker 3: and I'll get you back in twenty five years and

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Speaker 3: see if you're right. Mike Heyward, the NBA Market Manager

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Speaker 3: Evidence and Insights, eighteen minutes away from seven, ask anouncement

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Speaker 3: coming in Australia at all go. I think I'm ruling

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Speaker 3: out an early election in Australia. But the fact that

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Speaker 3: Dutton yesterday said stand by it's on. He's telling us

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Speaker 3: We've got miss payment today in mart Sing fatomer payment.

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Speaker 3: Labour's only got twenty six of those seats, the Opposition

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Speaker 3: thirty one, make that thirty two, cross Bench nineteen. Maybe

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Speaker 3: she goes to the cross penses twenty. In other words,

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Speaker 3: the numbers don't work. So the more people he loses,

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Speaker 3: the more problems he's got. But she's turned out to

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Speaker 3: be a complete Nutter disaster. Know and Steve told us

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Speaker 3: yesterday'd ever heard of her? And then suddenly she's wandering

446
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Speaker 3: off to be an independent slash member of the opposition.

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Speaker 3: So that announcement is coming today seventeen to two.

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Speaker 2: The My Costume Breakfast.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Mike. Whatever you think about any of the

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Speaker 3: other parties in the UK, the Tories have proved them

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Speaker 3: so over the last three years as totally unable and

452
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Speaker 3: unfit to govern. Their intersign war between factions means that

453
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Speaker 3: your artcom is even more opaque than your MMP system.

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Speaker 3: They've crashed, the economy, failed, to deliber on any of

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Speaker 3: their promises made in government. A large proportion of them

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Speaker 3: have shown themselves to be morally corrupt. They do not

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Speaker 3: deserve to win. Charles. As much as I may well

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Speaker 3: agree with you, that just doesn't mean you hand it

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Speaker 3: to the next dofis in line And that's the problem.

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Speaker 3: You see fourteen two international correspondence with ends and eye insurance.

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Speaker 2: Peace of mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 3: I think that's Ma Connor's living through at this present

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Speaker 3: point in time. And France, Catherine feel very good morning

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Speaker 3: to you. Good morning mate. Get to the election in

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Speaker 3: just a couple of moments. But we haven't talked about

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Speaker 3: the Olympics. Just let me rule a couple of things out.

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Speaker 3: First of all, there's too many poohs in the Seine

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Speaker 3: U and it's hot and there might not be as

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Speaker 3: many people coming to watch. Is that about it?

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Speaker 17: That's about it. And the other thing, of course, which

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Speaker 17: we heard about for the last what was it eighteen months,

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Speaker 17: is that they'd be carbon emissions and that would be

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Speaker 17: because there'd be no air con units in the Olympic village. Well,

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Speaker 17: big turn on that they have now ordered two thousand,

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Speaker 17: five hundred air con units for the Olympic village. They

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Speaker 17: say that originally they thought they could do without them,

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Speaker 17: but it seems that the seven thousand rooms that will

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Speaker 17: be available for Olympians and Paralympians will now need air

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Speaker 17: corn units. They're saying that their comfort and recovery is

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Speaker 17: going to be better. That's how they're spinning up MIC.

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Speaker 17: But the truth is big nations such as the United States,

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Speaker 17: also America, Nansetts and Australia had said they were going

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Speaker 17: to bring their own air con units. So this is

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Speaker 17: I think just their way of sort of getting out

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Speaker 17: in front of watching a lot of American athletes and

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Speaker 17: Australian athletes wheeling their air con units into the Olympic village.

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Speaker 3: Now France got to say, are millions coming or not?

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Speaker 18: No, No, they're not.

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Speaker 17: Actually they reckon. There's going to be some fifteen million

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Speaker 17: visitors to the games, but only two million of those

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Speaker 17: are going to come from abroad, and they expect to

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Speaker 17: have a drop in revenue over the July September period

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Speaker 17: of around one hundred and eighty million euros. This actually

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Speaker 17: is not When you flick back through other Olympic Games,

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Speaker 17: it's not that unusual London experience. The same people stayed

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Speaker 17: away the year of the Olympics because they thought it

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Speaker 17: would be crowded, wouldn't actually be that good to go

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Speaker 17: there is a simple tourist. So they're expecting this to

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Speaker 17: just be what they call a blip. But they've got

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Speaker 17: no plans to scale back on in the airlines. But

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Speaker 17: what they do say is they're hoping that once the

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Speaker 17: Para Olympics are over on the eighth of September, that

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Speaker 17: perhaps people then think late summer early autumn will be

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Speaker 17: a great time to come to Paris.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's get to the election, and this weekend it's

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Speaker 3: Michael breaks everyone coalist around what they need to coalist

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Speaker 3: around to beat the so called far right or we're

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Speaker 3: still sorting that out.

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Speaker 17: You people are still being a little bit cautious of it.

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Speaker 17: But we have had this tactical voting system worked out

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Speaker 17: with the candidates. There's been some two hundred and twenty

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Speaker 17: four candidates who've withdrawn from the second round the Sunday

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Speaker 17: here in Paris, saying that they just did not want

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Speaker 17: to stand in the way of someone other than the

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Speaker 17: far right getting to power. So what we're looking at

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Speaker 17: at the moment again, you know, be cautious about this.

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Speaker 17: Mic is that the far right National Rully will take

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Speaker 17: between one hundred and ninety and two hundred and twenty seats.

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Speaker 17: The left will take perhaps one hundred and sixty to

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Speaker 17: one hundred and eighty seats. So nevertheless, Mic, we still

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Speaker 17: are looking at the far right being the largest block

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Speaker 17: in Parliament and all the others just going to have

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Speaker 17: to work out how to get around it.

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Speaker 3: But short because they want the majority, do you does

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Speaker 3: everyone believe? Butella like, unless he gets the majority, he's

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Speaker 3: not going to do the job. Is that like sit

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Speaker 3: and concrete? Or could he change his mind on thee No.

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Speaker 17: Marine Leapen, president of the party, started rowing back on

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Speaker 17: that yesterday, Mike. She said that there's enough other MPs

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Speaker 17: from the right, some of the independent MP's and perhaps

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Speaker 17: some from the right wing parties that have expressed a

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Speaker 17: willingness to go into coalition with them, but they're just

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Speaker 17: if they're at the bottom ended predictions, which is what

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Speaker 17: one hundred and ninety seats, they still won't have enough.

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Speaker 17: So we're back where we were a couple of days ago.

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Speaker 17: I was looking down the barrel of a lot of instability,

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Speaker 17: unable to have a parliament, a government that is actually

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Speaker 17: going to be able to work, and we can't have

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Speaker 17: elections again for at least another year.

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Speaker 3: Jeez, what a fascinating time. Go well, Catherine, ketch up

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Speaker 3: next week look forward to it. Are Catherine Field and

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Speaker 3: France at ten to seven.

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Speaker 2: My hosting Breakfast with Januine News.

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Speaker 3: To discussion on the program. Other guy was very bullish

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Speaker 3: that we talked to about tourism in this country and

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Speaker 3: we're sort of thrilled that we're back to eighty percent

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Speaker 3: of what we were, which is not good enough as

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Speaker 3: far as I'm concerned. And I note this morning just

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Speaker 3: to back that up, Spain are on track. Major new report.

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Speaker 3: Google and Deloitte's have got together. They've got their nixt

551
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Speaker 3: gen Traveler's Destinations trajectory through to twenty forty. This is glow.

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Speaker 3: Of course, Spain's on track to become the world's most

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Speaker 3: visited nation one hundred and ten million. One hundred and

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Speaker 3: ten million. We're scraping up to three. And I know

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Speaker 3: we're not Spain, I get it, but three is quite

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Speaker 3: a long way away from one hundred and ten, and no,

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Speaker 3: we don't want one hundred and ten.

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Speaker 10: I get it.

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Speaker 3: And if you ask the people in New Yorker, they

560
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Speaker 3: don't want one hundred and ten either, But we want

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Speaker 3: more than what we've got. And what I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: say over and over again is that the world is moving,

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Speaker 3: people are flying, they are spending the money, and there

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Speaker 3: are people reaping the rewards of the foreign income that

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Speaker 3: tourism does bring in. And once upon a time we

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Speaker 3: had a couple of really big cash cows. What it

567
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Speaker 3: was cows and the other one was tourism. And so

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Speaker 3: there's not anymore. And that's the sad thing about it.

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Speaker 3: So France is going to get knocked off. They're going

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Speaker 3: to hold the top spot until next year, and then

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Speaker 3: Spain takes over the US and China third and fourth

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Speaker 3: Mexico is going to push Italy down to sixth place

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Speaker 3: as Mexico moves into fifth.

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Speaker 14: So like, if we're not doing dairy and we're not

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Speaker 14: doing tourism, how is that slag will coming the slag?

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Speaker 3: Well, funnily you should say that, Glenn. We've got a

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Speaker 3: wall story for you later on in the program, just

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Speaker 3: to keep you happy. Five minutes away from seven.

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Speaker 1: All the ins and the outs, it's the fizz on

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Speaker 1: the Mike Husking Breakfast on News Talk z B.

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Speaker 3: It's the wall dynamics course solely, I'll be asking about

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Speaker 3: the slag section to see where that fit's in. Right,

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Speaker 3: Let's talk zero, zero and zero and on Housing's what's

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Speaker 3: happening in housing? Are subdued, I think is the word

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Speaker 3: we're using at the moments in Dipson price number of delistings.

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Speaker 3: According to core Logic, the smalling house prices in June

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Speaker 3: down zero point five percent. That means for Q two

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Speaker 3: they're down zero point eight percent overall. Bigger picture, zoom

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Speaker 3: on out. Can you zoom on out or just extract

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Speaker 3: yourself out, doesn't really matter. There's been an increase of

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Speaker 3: one point eight percent for house prices in the last year.

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Speaker 3: That's the important point. So you've added sixteen thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: on average to the value of your house. Are you

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Speaker 3: feeling wealth? Are you feeling better about that? That increase

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Speaker 3: has been propped up by a three point two percent

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Speaker 3: increase between September and March, so that was over the

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Speaker 3: Christmas summer period. Then it's basically unfortunately been downhill since then.

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Speaker 3: The best performers in the country as usual christ Church,

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Speaker 3: everybody loves christ Church. Also done is here's another indication

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Speaker 3: that the real estate market's a bit flat. We've got

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Speaker 3: these very interesting delisting. Twenty four percent of new residential

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Speaker 3: mortgage lending was in fact from borrowers who were changing banks,

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Speaker 3: so it's not new money, it's just money shifting from

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Speaker 3: one side of the bank to another side of the

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Speaker 3: bank or another bank. Then we've got the delisting thing.

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Speaker 3: So you go houses on the market, you get a

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Speaker 3: couple of offers, and you go nap prices and good enough,

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Speaker 3: you delist. So more than thirty five percent of houses

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Speaker 3: for sale and Auckland were delisted, forty five percent in Northon.

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Speaker 3: Having looked around the rest of the country is not

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Speaker 3: as bad. Wellington pretty good, and the further south you

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Speaker 3: go the more bullish they become. But certainly forty five

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Speaker 3: percent of everything that got listed in Northland got delisted

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Speaker 3: over the last six months. So that's a lot of houses.

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Speaker 3: So part of the equation around housing is, of course,

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Speaker 3: go oh, but there's so much choice on the market

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Speaker 3: at the moment and lots of houses to choose from.

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Speaker 3: That's only momentary, really true until the person says I

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Speaker 3: can't get the money I want and so I'm out,

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Speaker 3: which also gives you an insight into how many houses

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Speaker 3: are actually for sale because they need to be for sale.

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Speaker 3: In other words, you're moving from Auckland to christ Church

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Speaker 3: or whether you're just going to go let's let's give

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Speaker 3: it a crack. And I found a house over there,

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Speaker 3: and if I can sell my house where a good price,

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Speaker 3: will sell it. And if I can't, we won't. There's

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Speaker 3: a lot of that going on at the moment right

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Speaker 3: They're going to flood the country with land. They're going

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Speaker 3: to open up land. That's today's big housing announcement. Chris Bishop,

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Speaker 3: the Housing Minister, with us after the news here re.

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Speaker 1: Us talk the sea, the newsmakers and the personalities, the

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Speaker 1: big names talk to like my Cosking, Breakfast with a.

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Speaker 2: Veda, Live the Age You Feel, News Talks env.

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Speaker 3: Full seven past seven. So change is rolling on at

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Speaker 3: coing Ura. We've got a letter of expectation from the

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Speaker 3: Housing Minister. Our financial stability is the top priority and

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Speaker 3: further enhancing that is an announcement coming today more land

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Speaker 3: availability around the country to build more houses at a

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Speaker 3: cheaper price. Housing Minister Chris Bishop with us good morning,

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Speaker 3: Good morning reportages. This morning, you are going to quote

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Speaker 3: unquote flood the country with land in today's announcement. That's true.

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Speaker 19: We're going to let cities grow. It's really important. We've

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Speaker 19: got a housing crisis. We need to allow our cities

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Speaker 19: to throw. We need to get rid of the Auckland

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Speaker 19: metropolitan urban limit. Let auck can grow out at the fringe,

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Speaker 19: but also do sensible density around transit corridors and around

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Speaker 19: our train stations. More apartments by train stations, more mixture sowning.

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Speaker 19: Let our cities grow and get on top of this

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Speaker 19: multi generational problem of housing and affordable of it.

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Speaker 3: You've got council buy in.

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Speaker 4: Well, the councils have got to follow the rules set

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Speaker 4: by central government. I think most councils will be on

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Speaker 4: board with it. I think it'll be a bit spicy

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Speaker 4: with a few of them, but we will just work

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Speaker 4: our way through that in good path.

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Speaker 3: And when you say spicy, what are you going to do?

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Speaker 3: Just tell them what to do. It is what it is.

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Speaker 9: Get on with it.

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Speaker 19: Well, that's the way the rules Already there's a thing

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Speaker 19: called the National Policy State Movement Development which sets the

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Speaker 19: rules of going to councils make thems to housing that

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Speaker 19: was introduced by the last government, so we're building on

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Speaker 19: that and so we'll just work our way through.

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Speaker 18: It with them.

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Speaker 3: Is this mainly metropolitan rural New Zealand. Provincial New Zealand

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Speaker 3: doesn't really need to worry about any of this because

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Speaker 3: it's not really a problem for them or not.

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Speaker 19: Yes, what we call Tier one and two cities, so Auckland, Wellington,

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Speaker 19: christ Church, Hamilton, Toronto. We're not talking about provincial and

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Speaker 19: regional and rural councils. You know they've they've got growth

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Speaker 19: ambitions as well, but we're really talking about our big cities.

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Speaker 3: Where does kaying Aura fit into this?

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Speaker 19: Well, kai Aura is a financially troubled organization. As a

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Speaker 19: government we've made it a real priority to get that

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Speaker 19: under control. It's a forty five billion dollar company, very

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Speaker 19: important institution for the Crown. As we put in place

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Speaker 19: a new chair in Simon Meeta, and we've just replaced

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Speaker 19: and refreshed the board so we've got five new board

679
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Speaker 19: members have started there and Nicolais I made it's very

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Speaker 19: clear to them that we want them to eliminate losses,

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Speaker 19: cut their costs and get back to their core business,

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Speaker 19: which is.

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Speaker 20: Actually being a landlord.

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Speaker 19: We often quite vulnerable people and maintaining a state housing

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Speaker 19: stops at in some cases very old and in a

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Speaker 19: very bad state.

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Speaker 9: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Counter argument to that is we need more houses and

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Speaker 3: they're not building them. We won't be building as many

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Speaker 3: and who fills that gap, Well, we'll be building social houses.

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Speaker 19: Coying Oil will build around three thousand social houses in

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Speaker 19: the next year alone, for example, and we're funded fifteen

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Speaker 19: hundred new social housing places from twenty twenty five onwards

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Speaker 19: via the community housing sector. And once we've got a

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Speaker 19: turnaround plan in place with kind Or we may well

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Speaker 19: put more money into KO for them to build more

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Speaker 19: state houses. But we're not going to do that. It

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Speaker 19: would be irresponsible to give them a blank check to

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Speaker 19: build more houses until we're confident they've got their costs

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Speaker 19: under control and they're financially sustainable as an organization. So

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Speaker 19: that's what we're doing.

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Speaker 3: And what's the turnaround time.

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Speaker 19: And all this waiting for a plan from them by

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Speaker 19: November this year and we'll make decisions after that, And

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Speaker 19: how much.

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Speaker 3: Of this is about building houses not incurring debt, or

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Speaker 3: how much of it's about them not being bastards of landlords,

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Speaker 3: never evicting anybody and having gang members traumatize people.

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Speaker 19: Oh, it's a bit of everything, to be honest, I mean,

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Speaker 19: they need to be a better landlord. We've made that

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Speaker 19: very clear. We're actually seeing a few green shirts have

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Speaker 19: changed there. Don't want to get too excited about it,

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Speaker 19: but we are seeing some good numbers coming through. So

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Speaker 19: they do need to be a better landlord. They need

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Speaker 19: to look after their tenants well, and they do need

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Speaker 19: to maintain their properties properly, and they need to cut

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Speaker 19: their costs. Let's get rid of those sort of bespoke

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Speaker 19: designs to get some architects all over the place. At

719
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Speaker 19: the end of the day, we're just building good quality

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Speaker 19: state houses. They don't have to be mentioned. They just

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Speaker 19: have to be good quality state houses that often quite

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Speaker 19: vulnerable quick people can have as I hope.

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Speaker 3: I got a text the other day from a builder

724
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Speaker 3: who was claiming the average build price in this country's

725
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Speaker 3: about four and a half thousand dollars a square meter

726
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Speaker 3: acaying or seven a half thousand. Do you know if

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Speaker 3: that's true or not.

728
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Speaker 19: It could possibly be true. It's definitely the fact that

729
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Speaker 19: kind of or has engaged in some very expensive developments

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Speaker 19: that I've been pretty worried about, and so we've made

731
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Speaker 19: it clear to the board, cut your costs, focus on

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Speaker 19: your care roles and responsibilities, and just deliver good quality,

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Speaker 19: affordable state houses for people who need them.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate time, Chris Bishop, Housing Minister, eleven minutes past seven

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Speaker 3: passing change also coming to education from next year. We're

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Speaker 3: testing new entrants on phonics twice a year. We test

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Speaker 3: years three through eight on reading, writing, and math. Sixty

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Speaker 3: percent of schools already used testing, but it's not consistent

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Speaker 3: and we are not using the results how we should

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Speaker 3: apparently according to the government. May Road School principal Linda

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Speaker 3: Stewart's with us on all of this. Linda morning, Good

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Speaker 3: morning Mike. You do test, First of all, Why do

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Speaker 3: you test and other schools don't?

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Speaker 21: I think I think schools do test. I think they're

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Speaker 21: assessing all the time. There is a difference between those

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Speaker 21: formal standardized testing mechanisms, which is what has been talked

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Speaker 21: about at the moment, and the ongoing assessment that teachers

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Speaker 21: are doing every day in their class thrones. I think

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Speaker 21: schools are during those assessments. What we're seeing is our

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Speaker 21: schools are actually crying out for supports so they know

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Speaker 21: which students are struggling. And I heard the minister last

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Speaker 21: night say that this was in order to find out

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Speaker 21: which students are struggling in our schools. Schools already know

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Speaker 21: who the children are. What we're doing is we're crying

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Speaker 21: out for those resources to help our children who are

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Speaker 21: struggling with their learning.

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Speaker 3: Do you buy into the consistency argument of everyone does

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Speaker 3: one of the two tests, you get a universal picture

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Speaker 3: and that gives us a better insight into where we're at.

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Speaker 21: I think the issue with those assessments is that we

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Speaker 21: don't and I'm speaking as a principle of my own

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Speaker 21: school at the moment, we don't test every child with

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Speaker 21: ESTEL from year three to yes six, nor do we

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Speaker 21: test every child for pat We know that there are

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Speaker 21: some children for whom those tests are simply not appropriate.

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Speaker 21: They either have English as a second language, so they're

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Speaker 21: going to struggle. We know that they need the support

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Speaker 21: in English. It may be that we need to scaffold

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Speaker 21: some children into assessments because they have high anxiety. There

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Speaker 21: are a number of reasons that teachers and principles decide

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Speaker 21: that there are specific children who will not benefit from

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Speaker 21: the process of going through an assessment like that, and

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Speaker 21: I think saying that it is mandatory takes it away

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Speaker 21: from the professionalism of the teacher or the principle.

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Speaker 3: All right, Linda, appreciate your time, Linda Stewart. You can

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Speaker 3: hear the ideological difference between what we've got and what

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Speaker 3: we're aiming for country. Thirteen minutes past seven, pasking now

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Speaker 3: the final moments of the campaign here is Rushi.

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Speaker 13: Just think what a labor government with a super majority

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Speaker 13: would do. That government has no plan to tackle migration.

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Speaker 13: You saw it in the debates. Did Kirstell have a

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Speaker 13: single answer to my question about migration?

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Speaker 2: Nothing?

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Speaker 13: She would make us the soft touch of Europe when

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Speaker 13: it comes to this issue. That's why they're queuing up

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Speaker 13: in Calais.

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Speaker 3: Right now and that is happening just moments ago. That's

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Speaker 3: his final final word for this campaign of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Rod with us in a bit over and our fourteen

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Speaker 3: past thanks Newstalk severe seventeen past seven to the UK

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Speaker 3: election after seven thirty eight and Padden, by the way,

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Speaker 3: catch up after right. He's in Estonia staying up late

793
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Speaker 3: for us tonight the Estonian Rally. He's leading the competition,

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Speaker 3: or jointly leading the competition, so we'll look forward to

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Speaker 3: that particular catch up. Meantime, speaking of cars, we're not

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Speaker 3: buying a lot of cars right now. A new stats

797
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Speaker 3: show last month worse June in more than a decade.

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Speaker 3: Motor Industry Association CEO Amy Wiley back with the same

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Speaker 3: very good morning to you.

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Speaker 22: Good morning Mike.

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon we've reached the bottom or is there

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Speaker 3: more to come in July and August?

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Speaker 10: You think.

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Speaker 22: It's tough times? I think I think the next six

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Speaker 22: months continue to be tough.

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Speaker 3: I think business sales versus personal sales. Are we seeing

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Speaker 3: any sort of variational disparity in there?

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Speaker 22: Yes, we are. Business sales a lot, but personal sales

809
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Speaker 22: are even lighter. Total industry around about twenty five percent,

810
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Speaker 22: but light passenger which is cars and SUVs are down

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Speaker 22: between thirty and thirty five percent.

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Speaker 3: Do we break it down? I know the EV market's

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Speaker 3: fallen off a cliff. Has it fallen off more of

814
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Speaker 3: a cliff once all the subsidies have gone versus the

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Speaker 3: cliff that we're falling off with the regular counts?

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Speaker 22: Correct?

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Speaker 10: Yep?

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Speaker 3: It has, so it's evs are dead.

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Speaker 22: Well, I wouldn't the dead, but there's a bit of

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Speaker 22: a promising uplift in June. So this time a year ago,

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Speaker 22: when we had the clean tab discount, EV's were making

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Speaker 22: up twenty fifteen and twenty percent of this year. That

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Speaker 22: dropped to two percent in January, three percent in February,

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Speaker 22: then they got to five percent. This month for the

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Speaker 22: first time, they're at eight and a half percent.

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Speaker 3: So it's it's but eight and a half percent of

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Speaker 3: what eight and half percent of the smaller market.

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Speaker 22: Correct, So they're still we're selling less of everything, but

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Speaker 22: we're selling a lot lease of evs.

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Speaker 3: Are you putting this down forget the EV thing for

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Speaker 3: a moment, just overall, Are you putting this down purely

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Speaker 3: to the cost of living crisis?

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Speaker 22: I think so yes. I think this is ectomics, and

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Speaker 22: I think the impact is bitten in from the interest

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Speaker 22: rates in the ocr.

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Speaker 3: And there's money a problem. I mean, do you break

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Speaker 3: those sort of figures down people who finance cars and

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Speaker 3: stuff and they can't get it count afford whatever the

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Speaker 3: case may be, is that is that a handbreak as well?

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Speaker 3: No pun intended.

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Speaker 22: I think overall, business and consumer confidence as low right now.

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Speaker 22: I don't know that there's many people that either have

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Speaker 22: funds or want to buy vehicles right now, and that's

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Speaker 22: a shame because vehicles have never been at better prices.

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Speaker 3: Exactly. There are deals to be done, aren't there. Amy

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Speaker 3: appreciate the insighte Amy Wiley, Motor Industry Association CEO, just

847
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Speaker 3: to give you an insight on the EV's. The biggest

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Speaker 3: selling EV of the month was the byd at O three.

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Speaker 3: They sold forty seven of them and there will be

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Speaker 3: a lot of pre orders. Australia. Interestingly enough numbers came

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Speaker 3: out yesterday. They've been on a tear. They've been on

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Speaker 3: the longest increased streak for twenty years, but in June

853
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Speaker 3: they had their first decline for fourteen months. Across in America,

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Speaker 3: Ford gave you GM yesterday Ford Q two. They're up.

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Speaker 3: They're still buying more cars, truck sales, truck sales with engines,

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Speaker 3: what a surprise, three hundred and eighty nine hundred and twenty.

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Speaker 3: So they're selling more. Australia selling less. We're selling way less.

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Speaker 3: Seven twenty My costkil breakfast news tooks'd be coming up

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Speaker 3: twenty three minutes past seven. I think it's fair to

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Speaker 3: suggest that the business of snap elections is not turning

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Speaker 3: out to be the cure all that some suggest they

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Speaker 3: have the potential to do. Macron, of course, in a

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Speaker 3: fit of peak after the euro vote, decided heading off

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Speaker 3: to the polls in short order with some sort of

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Speaker 3: reality check for the French voter. And as we have

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Speaker 3: seen over the weekend and will most likely see this

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Speaker 3: coming weekend, it didn't work. A Rishish sonic too, decided

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Speaker 3: that an election no one saw coming would take so

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Speaker 3: many people by surprise, namely as opponents, that he could

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Speaker 3: save his beleagued administration from destruction. Obviously it ain't over,

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Speaker 3: but let's be honest, it's over, and there has been

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Speaker 3: no indication from anyone anywhere that it isn't going to

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Speaker 3: be the blood bath most had thought it would be.

874
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 3: Trudeau tried it in the middle of COVID you might

875
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 3: remember remember that failed as well. He got back, but

876
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 3: the plan was to get back with the majority, not

877
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 3: the minority he went into the election with. He still

878
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 3: got the minority, so it didn't work. As always, a

879
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 3: lot of analytics will be at play se why things

880
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 3: played out the way they did, But in this race

881
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 3: there isn't a lot of nuance. Your answer basically is time.

882
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter who you are or what you've done.

883
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,479
Speaker 3: If you are serving at the will of the people,

884
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 3: time will get you one way or another. Of course

885
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 3: your record counts, of course it does. But the clue

886
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 3: that time is the ultimate arbiter is in what the

887
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 3: outgoing party gets replaced with. Kostarmer leads a vastly better

888
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 3: version of the British Labour Party than Jeremy Corbyn did,

889
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 3: so in that sense he can quite rightly claim to

890
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 3: have reformed it. But it was such a basket case

891
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 3: that trick wasn't particularly hard to pull off. But whatever

892
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 3: it is they are these days doesn't really matter, the

893
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 3: same way that whatever it was the New Zealand Labor

894
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 3: Party was in twenty twenty didn't really matter. People don't

895
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 3: pay attention to the detail. Will They should, but they don't.

896
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 3: They either don't care, or they don't inquire, or both

897
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 3: in both are dangerous. Which is not to say the

898
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 3: British Labor government will be a disaster. Maybe they will,

899
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 3: maybe they won't. Forces well beyond governments control or tends

900
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 3: to shape the national mood of the day unless you

901
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 3: are particularly bad, famously bad, historically bad, as New Zealand

902
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 3: labor very quickly showed twenty twenty through twenty twenty three.

903
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 3: But it is a lesson in not looking for too

904
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: much MINUTII to explain a demise is about as complicated

905
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 3: as it gets hsky like. Once again, a school principle

906
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 3: shows that the ideological position they take is about social change,

907
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:25,959
Speaker 3: not about education. You know, I want to be honest,

908
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 3: I'm sick and tired of it. I am bored witless

909
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: by listening to the education sector, a failed sector, who

910
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 3: will not recognize their failure or even begin to accept

911
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 3: it and therefore look to do something different. It is

912
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 3: the same boring line over and over again. They run

913
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 3: this line of band anxiety. God forbid their children should

914
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 3: be anxious about a test. Let's cotton wol them for

915
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 3: the rest of their lives. God forbid that we actually

916
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 3: measure ourselves against anything. And if if it wasn't so

917
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 3: obviously broken, this is the thing that infuriates me. It's

918
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 3: not like there's a debate around whether the education system

919
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 3: in this country. Is broken. It's broken. Look at the

920
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 3: kids who don't go to school. Look at the kids

921
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 3: who do go to school but leave school at fifteen

922
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 3: or sixteen years old without a qualification to their name.

923
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 3: Look at these kids who aren't in education, or aren't

924
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 3: in training, or aren't in school at the age of sixteen, seventeen,

925
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 3: and eighty. They're abject social failures and time bombs for

926
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Speaker 3: the rest of their lives. For this country cost of

927
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 3: billions of dollars. But all the while know what we're doing,

928
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 3: and all they ever do is the unions ask for

929
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 3: more money. Just we want more money. We want to

930
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 3: pay the teachers more, and we want more support, more

931
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: of this and more of that. And all we're doing

932
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 3: is put trying to do something different. If something is

933
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 3: so obviously broken, do something different. Here's the other interesting thing,

934
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 3: residential development. Mike over kaikoe a grade soils. So the

935
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 3: problem with the solution in housing this is as soon

936
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: as you come up with a solution, people have a

937
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 3: problem with a solution. So everyone agrees we've got a

938
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 3: problem with housing. So then when they come up with

939
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 3: a solution i e. Moore Land to make it cheaper

940
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 3: to build, immediately we have a problem with the solution.

941
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 3: So you know that run around we go, Mike, we

942
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: live in semi rural area. Developer wants to develop three

943
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 3: thousand more units in an already over developed area. Well,

944
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: who says it's over developed to you? And are you right?

945
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 3: One road in, one road out, more deaths than should be,

946
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 3: no sign of road development. And that, of course is

947
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 3: the great council debate and whether or not they pay

948
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 3: for it, and if they pay for it, that means

949
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 3: you pay for it by your rates. And it's all

950
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,439
Speaker 3: very well. The government's saying that land's got to be free,

951
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 3: but then the council's got to put in the roads

952
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 3: and the pipes and the lights and all that sort

953
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 3: of thing, and that adds to the cost of the

954
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 3: housing and around and around we go. So she is

955
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 3: a convoluted and complex old problem. Now the UK election

956
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 3: back to it and historic perspective for you from an

957
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 3: expert in the field. Right after the news which is

958
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Speaker 3: next here of News.

959
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Speaker 1: Talks Feeds, The Breakfast Show You Can Trust, The Mike

960
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: Hosking Breakfast with Jaguar, The Art of Performance News.

961
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 3: Togs dB and twenty three minutes away from it, Hayton

962
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: Padden by the way in Estonia, the Ustonian rally this

963
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Speaker 3: coming weekend. He's with us after ride clock this morning.

964
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 3: He currently co leads their particular conte. So we'll look

965
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 3: toward the catch up. So they're wrapping it up. Just

966
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 3: hours to go until the polls open in Britain. The

967
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 3: final words from kiyostama.

968
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Speaker 23: If people don't go out and vote, people who want change,

969
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 23: you need change or entitles change, don't go out and vote.

970
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 20: I don't do it.

971
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 23: We'll wake up Imagine it or Friday morning with five

972
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 23: more years of a Tory government feeling entitled, emboldened that

973
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 23: they can get away with anything. Imagine that and fight

974
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 23: against that all the way through to ten o'clock tomorrow evening.

975
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 3: The final words from rushis sunek it is.

976
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 13: Only US Conservatives that ultimately can stand up to the

977
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 13: Labor Party.

978
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 10: So I say it again, we.

979
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 13: Have twenty four hours left. We do not surrender to Labor.

980
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 13: We will fight for every vote, we will fight for

981
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 13: our values and we will fight for our vision of Britain.

982
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 3: Now, professoral Modern History University, that makes Richard Toys back

983
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 3: for this Richard, very good morning to you and to

984
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 3: you the snap election aspect of this how unusual is

985
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 3: a snap.

986
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 20: Election in Britain, well, they come along every so often,

987
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 20: so we famously had one in twenty seventeen when Theresa

988
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 20: May thought she was going to get a big majority

989
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 20: and then lost a majority. There's been previous examples going

990
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 20: back to nineteen twenty three February nineteen seventy four, so

991
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 20: you know, it is the case that prime ministers always

992
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 20: trying to time elections if they can to sort of

993
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 20: gain maximum advantage. I think that in a sense Ritchie

994
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 20: Seine probably did it this time, where people speculate but

995
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 20: perhaps he wanted to keep the right wing Reform Party

996
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 20: put them on the back foot. There's speculation he wanted

997
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 20: to do it because otherwise he would face a change

998
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 20: to his own leadership within the party.

999
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 3: Is there any evidence any of that's happened. I've looked

1000
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 3: at the polls the whole time. They seem to have

1001
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 3: been broadly speaking unchanged. The Tories we're going to lose,

1002
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 3: are going to lose, Labour's going to be swept to power.

1003
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 20: I think that's almost certainly the case. I think that

1004
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 20: Nigel Farage deciding that he would come back essentially enclose

1005
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 20: himself as leader of the Reform party, which is actually

1006
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 20: really a kind of a private company rather than a

1007
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 20: normal political party, sort of prevented Sunak from gaining any

1008
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 20: advantage from a snap election. He's also made various missteps.

1009
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 20: I would say there's not a huge amount of enthusiasm

1010
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 20: for Labor. I mean, the irony is perhaps that at

1011
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 20: the moment, if the polls is believe he believed, they'll

1012
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 20: get about forty percent of the vote, possibly slightly less,

1013
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 20: possibly slightly more, but nevertheless come out with an absolutely

1014
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 20: enormous majority, very probably the largest majority that they've had.

1015
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 3: Is history instructive on that matter. In other words, if

1016
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 3: you hand too much power to too few people, you're

1017
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 3: asking for trouble.

1018
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 20: Well. I mean, this is certainly a general problem with

1019
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 20: the British first part the post system. That does create majorities,

1020
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 20: which can be whether they're the left or right, they

1021
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 20: can be problematic. Of course, it becomes problematic for the

1022
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 20: prime minister to control that majority. In some ways. They

1023
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 20: obviously get a lot of legislation through they want, but

1024
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 20: also people then feel well, it doesn't really matter too

1025
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 20: much if I rebel, so I might as well, which

1026
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 20: can create sort of longer term problems for party unity.

1027
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 3: Do you believe what's going to one for the legiservation poll.

1028
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 3: I looked out a couple of hours ago suggesting the

1029
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 3: Tories are going to end up with sixty four seats.

1030
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 3: They're going to blow blairs lead out of the water,

1031
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 3: and with the Libdems sixty one sixty four to sixty one,

1032
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 3: the Tories will barely be the opposition. Is history about

1033
00:48:58,719 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 3: to unfold?

1034
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 20: Well? I mean, it certainly is, irrespective of the precise

1035
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 20: number of results. I mean, on the assumption that the

1036
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Speaker 20: Conservatives get at the minute, they're about twenty two percent

1037
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 20: in the poll. If they get less than thirty, I mean,

1038
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 20: to get thirty in itself would be a complete catastroph

1039
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 20: catastrophe for them. How things have volved out unfold in

1040
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 20: terms of seats is of course, really quite unpredictable. I

1041
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 20: think that I would probably be if I were a Conservative,

1042
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 20: a bit more optimistic. I wouldn't quite think that it

1043
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 20: was going to go down to them only getting sixty seats.

1044
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 20: I think they might get somewhere in the region of

1045
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Speaker 20: one hundred. The Lib Dams probably will do much better

1046
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 20: than in the last few elections, but I'd be amazed.

1047
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 20: I mean, if they became got so many seats that

1048
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 20: they became the official opposition. That would be everything that

1049
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 20: happened is going to be historic, but that would be

1050
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 20: you know, it would kind of at once in a

1051
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Speaker 20: century type of n.

1052
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Speaker 3: What's your sense of turnout? Is the complacency at play

1053
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 3: he had given it's a foregone conclusion.

1054
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 20: Well, I don't think the Labor Party itself is complacent.

1055
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 20: I think that they realized that there's dangers to that

1056
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 20: if their voters don't turn out. They also think that

1057
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Speaker 20: they might lose some votes to the Reform Party, and

1058
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 20: so I think that they know it is a slightly

1059
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 20: odd situation where the Conservatives have been kind of really saying,

1060
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 20: well that the Labor Party is bound to get an

1061
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 20: enormous majority, so as the Scottish National Party for example.

1062
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 20: So the Conservatives is saying that Labor's bound to get

1063
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 20: an enormous majority, you ought to vote conservative or to

1064
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 20: keep that majority down and Labor and sort of saying, oh,

1065
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 20: it's definitely not in the bag yet. I would be

1066
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Speaker 20: not surprised if turnout was low. Maybe voters may assume

1067
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 20: that he's all done and dusted. I don't think, at

1068
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Speaker 20: least on the labor side that they are.

1069
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Speaker 3: Richard Joy, your expertise very much. Richard Toy, professor of

1070
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 3: modern History at the University of Exeter with us this morning,

1071
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 3: seventeen away from mates. Little our UK correspondent, of course,

1072
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Speaker 3: candidate is going to be with us after Rake thirty

1073
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Speaker 3: this morning, Mike. I would go as far as to

1074
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Speaker 3: say both the US and the UK are ungovernable until

1075
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Speaker 3: they implement proportional representation. It's an interesting insight, isn't it.

1076
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 3: I'd tend to agree they're a very good example. I

1077
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 3: didn't argue for MMP when we voted for it. I

1078
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 3: keep saying I can't remember what I voted for, but

1079
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 3: I suspect it was first past the post and I've

1080
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Speaker 3: argued against MMP. But I think when I look at

1081
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Speaker 3: what's happening in those two countries at the moment, I mean,

1082
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 3: it's hard to argue against a greater level of proportionality,

1083
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 3: isn't it. Morning. My daughter has moved from a public

1084
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Speaker 3: school to a private school. Every Friday involves a cycle

1085
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 3: test on course subjects. Every Thursday evening, we have an

1086
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Speaker 3: anxious child. We also have a child who is learning

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00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 3: how to manage the process and is getting better results

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00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 3: every week, and that is the key to do all.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with being anxious, not enjoyable at the time,

1090
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 3: but it's not the end of the world, and that's

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Speaker 3: part of growing and understanding the world and participating in it.

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00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 3: And the education unions don't seem to understand any of that.

1093
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 3: Sixteen to wait, costume breakfast thirteen away from eight morning.

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00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 3: Make public transport in Auckland's joke. All trains canceled, no alerts.

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00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 2: On the app.

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Speaker 3: Have you heard anything, Graham. What we're doing now is

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Speaker 3: looking at changing the way we deal with public transport

1098
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 3: on this program. What we're going to do is let

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Speaker 3: you know when it's running, and by doing that we'll

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00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 3: be sort of talking about a lot less often. I

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00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 3: think that's the best way we can do. I note

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Speaker 3: the Herald's running the story this morning that the inter

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00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 3: Islander Ferries stabilizer, the stabilizer Finn was missing for more

1104
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 3: than eighteen months, so a bit wobbly, but at least

1105
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 3: it was moving. I mean, it's hard not to tell

1106
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 3: you these stories without laughing. I mean, we should do

1107
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 3: that definitely.

1108
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Speaker 10: With the fairies.

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00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 14: Oh there's a fery running today.

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00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,919
Speaker 3: It's definitely today exactly go now, because very good piece

1111
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 3: of writing by Georgina Campbell yesterday out of the Capital

1112
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 3: about the government writing to KiwiRail. And you got to

1113
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 3: the more you look into Kiwi Rail, the more troubled

1114
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 3: you've got to be. And I'll come to their conclusion

1115
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 3: in a minute, and potentially how delusional they are. They

1116
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 3: employed mackenzie Willis got involved. They employed McKenzie and Company,

1117
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 3: which is a you know, it's a consultancy firm to

1118
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 3: look at all sorts of business. And that bill was

1119
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 3: apparently she's not allowed to say it out loud. I

1120
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 3: don't know why, but anyway, they asked it the other

1121
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 3: day they said how much weare their spinish goes. I've

1122
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 3: been told I'm not allowed to say the number out loud,

1123
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 3: and I thought, why, why the hell not? What are

1124
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 3: you key? You're the one in the gun for this.

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00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 3: It was, as I understand, was eight million dollars and

1126
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 3: at which point you looked at it and went to

1127
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 3: the board and went, are you serious? So anyway, they're

1128
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 3: right to the Kiwi Rail people, we have so and

1129
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 3: you know what's happened. The chairman's gone early and the

1130
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 3: other board members are resigning, left, right and center. We

1131
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 3: have serious questions about whether the ki Wei Rail, operating

1132
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 3: under its current business model, we'll be able to operate

1133
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 3: without going ongoing dependence on the government subsidies and support

1134
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 3: see Keiwi Rail. I think this is probably a surprise

1135
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 3: to most of us. Has a target to achieve commercial

1136
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 3: self sustainability. This is the very same company that were

1137
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 3: wanting to spend while they thought hundreds of millions of dollars,

1138
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 3: but it turned out to be billions of dollars on

1139
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 3: these new fairies, and the twenty percent of the cost

1140
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 3: was the fairies, eighty percent of the cost was the

1141
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 3: infrastructure on the land. And the only reason I know

1142
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 3: this is because they kept writing to the government for

1143
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 3: more money. So this is a this is a company

1144
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 3: that's going to be sustainable and profitable and successful. But

1145
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 3: in the meantime, if we could just have a couple

1146
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 3: of hundred million dollars, actually, can we have a couple

1147
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 3: of hundred million bore dollars? Actually it's blown out of

1148
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 3: three and a half billion dollars? Do you mind Grant?

1149
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 3: Even Grant Robertson at three and a half billion went ah,

1150
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 3: you serious. So there's two governments now saying the same

1151
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 3: thing to them anyway, Reedy Peter, who's the boss. He says,

1152
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 3: despite the tough economic cycle climate or the economic climate,

1153
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 3: key We Rail self sustainable target remain the objective of

1154
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 3: the board.

1155
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 9: In the management.

1156
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 3: So the problem with saying something like that, this is

1157
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 3: my ongoing concern with New Zealand inco in general, is

1158
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 3: saying it doesn't make it true. And that's what we

1159
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 3: learned from the Labor government of the last six years.

1160
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 3: Just because you say it doesn't make it real. So

1161
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 3: you can sit down until you're blue in the face

1162
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 3: as the head of ki We Rail and go it's

1163
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 3: our objective even though you're writing to the minister asking

1164
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 3: for hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars and

1165
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 3: it's blatantly clear you aren't sustainable idiots.

1166
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 14: Next you'll be telling me you can't push water uphell

1167
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:18,439
Speaker 14: to generate power, and tell you what, and you can't

1168
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 14: sell carbon for thousands and thousands of dollars a credit.

1169
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 3: I could give them that advice and save I'd do

1170
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 3: it for seven million, no problems at all. You're a

1171
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 3: million better off ten to eight.

1172
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Speaker 2: On my costool, breakfasit with Bailey's real Estate.

1173
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 3: News Talks the seven away from make good news for

1174
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 3: one of our most important export sectors. The Woolen Schools

1175
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 3: Program is expanding across primary schools this month to highlight

1176
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 3: the insulating et cetera all the good things about wool,

1177
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,280
Speaker 3: and a tertiary pilot program called Wall Dynamics is encouraging

1178
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 3: students to bring their own innovative ideas to the wall industry.

1179
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 3: Now the GM for Campaign for Wool in New Zealand,

1180
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 3: cra Biggs, is with us on all of this. Carara,

1181
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 3: very good morning to you.

1182
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Speaker 24: Good morning Mike, It's good to be here.

1183
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 9: Now.

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00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 3: What is the state of play in wool from your

1185
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 3: point of view? How good?

1186
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 10: How bad?

1187
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 3: Where are we at?

1188
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 24: Well, well's in a bit of a tough position at

1189
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 24: the moment, but I think there's a whole lot of

1190
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 24: optimism and positivity out there as well. You know, there's

1191
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 24: some really good stuff happening. You know, there's a lot

1192
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 24: of green shirts going on out there, and particularly you know,

1193
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 24: we're pretty excited about a new education program expanding all

1194
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 24: in schools out across three new pilot programs, both in

1195
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 24: primary schools, but also in ECE early childhood education and

1196
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 24: the jewel in the crown is this wall Dynamics program,

1197
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 24: which is really exciting for us.

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Speaker 3: How much of it is in school so city kids

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Speaker 3: who know about well where it comes from, what you

1200
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,439
Speaker 3: can do with the science behind, the economics behind about

1201
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 3: how much is out there?

1202
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 24: Well do you mean as far as education guy? Yeah, Well, look,

1203
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 24: I mean our Woolen Schools program gets to about forty

1204
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 24: schools a year at the moment, so you know, we

1205
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 24: would love to do more. That's why we've really put

1206
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 24: a lot of pressure on ourselves to increase the size

1207
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 24: of our education program. So what we're looking to do

1208
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 24: with our Woolen Schools program, and if you're not familiar

1209
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 24: with it, it's been going for about ten years. It's

1210
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,879
Speaker 24: two twenty foot containers that circulate you know, the northern

1211
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 24: South Island. We're looking to triple our reach to one

1212
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 24: hundred and twenty schools every year just with our new

1213
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 24: wooll Week program. This is the schools that are too

1214
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 24: remote or too small or they can't physically fit a

1215
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 24: twenty foot container on their school site. So this is

1216
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 24: really exciting to expand the reach there.

1217
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 22: But tertiary education.

1218
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 24: If we're really talking about how much is knowne out there,

1219
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 24: that's where we need to be. So you know, here

1220
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 24: we're talking about architecture and product designing students, and we've

1221
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 24: created a modular course which means that every architecture and

1222
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 24: every product design student are going to be able to

1223
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 24: be exposed to wool, and not just wolves a superfiber,

1224
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 24: but the performance properties of it. You know, they need

1225
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 24: to create a product that has good sound absorption qualities. Okay,

1226
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 24: let's use wool because that can solve that problem. So

1227
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 24: it really is about solving problems with wool. So this

1228
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 24: teristory education piece that is going to be the bit

1229
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 24: that moves the needle.

1230
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 3: Fantastic you speak so eloquently and passionately about it. I

1231
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 3: loved Karra Bigs, who's the GM for the campaign for

1232
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 3: wool in New Zealand. And I did my bit last

1233
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 3: week by buying an a Reno jersey, which is more

1234
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 3: fine woo than strong Will. But nevertheless, in fact, not

1235
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 3: only did I buy a Marino jersey let me in on,

1236
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 3: I ordered another one in a different color. Mike, I'm

1237
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 3: a farmer, wanted to put carpet and I felt, being

1238
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 3: a farmer, I should replace with wall. Synthetic was five k.

1239
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 3: Woll was fifteen k. I get fifty cent return on

1240
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 3: every dollar I spend on getting the wool off the sheep.

1241
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 3: I provide this product and everyone apart from me makes money.

1242
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 3: It's a tough story, there's no question about that. It's

1243
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 3: a hard row to hoe.

1244
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 2: As they say.

1245
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 3: Now, Hayden Patten has very kindly stayed up labors. But

1246
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 3: eleven o'clock in Estonia, he's probably on the source. I

1247
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 3: don't know. We'll find out shortly. Anyway, he's got the

1248
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 3: Rally of Estonia. Can I say stuff like that anyway?

1249
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 3: Too late? Now, what are you going to do? Sack

1250
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 3: me anyway? Rally of Estonia. Hayden Patten is next.

1251
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: News Bold Opinions, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate,

1252
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: doing real estate differently since nineteen seventy three, News togs

1253
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: ed B.

1254
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 3: Now look it a seven past eight. Never easily been

1255
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 3: the defending champion, but Hayden Padden started the season off

1256
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 3: very nicely. Indeed, they're in Estonia this weekend for the

1257
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 3: FIA European Rally Championship. Hadden goes in as joint leader

1258
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 3: of course, in between rallies. He's signed up lately a

1259
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 3: new trail Light ambassador, which is good. And after winning,

1260
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 3: of course a great deal of success at the Rally

1261
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 3: of South for the New Zealand Rally Championship a couple

1262
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 3: of weeks ago. Anyway to Estonia, we go Hayden Padden's well,

1263
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 3: it's Hayden morning, money way. Very kind of you to

1264
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 3: stay up so late. I've got you at seven minutes

1265
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 3: past eleven. Are you normally up this later? Or we

1266
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 3: holding you up?

1267
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 17: No?

1268
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 16: No, it's not too bad. Actually the bill of jet

1269
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 16: leg and the b fam my body clock has no

1270
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 16: idea what Tom dated is, so it just does what

1271
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 16: I tell it to.

1272
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 3: What's the mood in Estonia? Does Estonia get excited about

1273
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 3: the rally? They're a rallying nation in that sense.

1274
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 16: They're a really crazy country. To be fair, we were

1275
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 16: being this week. Everyone knows who we are, what the

1276
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 16: name is. You know, it doesn't matter where you go.

1277
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 16: And you know eight ten x obviously an ex world champion.

1278
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 16: I think he's really put rally on the map here

1279
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 16: and it is much like what Redgy is to us

1280
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 16: is what rally is to Estonia.

1281
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 3: It's amazing. Where are you at How are you feeling?

1282
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 18: Yeah?

1283
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 16: Good, Yeah, looking forward to this week. Obviously it's been

1284
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 16: a pretty busy period for us over the last month

1285
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 16: between rallies back home in New Zealand and and of

1286
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 16: course the European Championship to travel back and forth and

1287
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 16: you know, partnerships, you know, obviously with a new partnership

1288
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 16: with trail like caravans and working on things back at home.

1289
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 16: So yeah, busy times, but looking forward to getting back

1290
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 16: in the car this weekend and doing what we do best.

1291
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 3: I want to talk about the trail and the economic

1292
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 3: side of it in just a couple of moments, But

1293
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 3: as far as getting in and out of a car,

1294
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 3: how big does the gap need to be before it

1295
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 3: becomes a problem? Or is once you're good? You're good.

1296
01:00:59,520 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 20: Now?

1297
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 16: I think, what's you good? You're good? You know I've

1298
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Speaker 16: been doing this for so long now that you just

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Speaker 16: trust your INNT thinks you know, you going week in,

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01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 16: week in that on both sides of the world. You know,

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01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 16: it's amazing what the adrellaline does here once again in

1302
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 16: that zone and get back into your happy place, so

1303
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 16: to speak. You just you know, you do what comes

1304
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 16: naturally and it's what you back yourself to do.

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Speaker 3: How do you handle the flying and the time zones

1306
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 3: and the travel and do you ever get used to it?

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Speaker 16: I don't think you can get used to it. It

1308
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 16: definitely gets a bit exhausted after a while. But as

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01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 16: I say that, the best medicine for me is hopping

1310
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 16: in the race cart the other end, and it makes

1311
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 16: you sort of forget about it.

1312
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 20: You know.

1313
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 16: As a year goes on, it definitely compoles, you know.

1314
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 16: I think last year we had eight New Zealand European

1315
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 16: return flights and a lot of, as I say, back

1316
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 16: to back events, you know, one weekend in New Zealand

1317
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 16: and the next weekend in Europe and vice versa. So yeah,

1318
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 16: as a season gets on, you definitely get a little

1319
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 16: bit more tired, but you just try and prepare yourself

1320
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 16: a piece you can.

1321
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 3: And how hard is that? I mean, how much of

1322
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 3: that piecing together a season do you do versus other

1323
01:01:59,040 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 3: people do for you.

1324
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 16: Know, between myself and our team, we do it all ourselves.

1325
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 16: So it's really just a matter of at the start

1326
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 16: of season sitting down and working at what we're gonna do.

1327
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 16: You know, we're obviously trying to keep ourselves current in Europe. Still,

1328
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 16: we've still got aspirations over here we're trying to achieve.

1329
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 16: But it's important for us and our partners that we

1330
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 16: have to keep competing in New Zealand because our sponsors

1331
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 16: are not going to invest in us to be competing

1332
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 16: on the other side of the world. We're almost invisible

1333
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 16: in New Zealand, so it's important that we sort of

1334
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 16: got to make both programs grow together.

1335
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 3: And how does the New Zealand signup but work? I mean,

1336
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 3: without to put it bluntly pissing in your pocket, do

1337
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 3: you go into each rally in New Zealand with the well,

1338
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 3: you better win it because you are Hayden Padden pressure.

1339
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 16: Yeah, it is difficult in New Zealand because we've got

1340
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 16: nothing in the gain and everything to lose, so to speak.

1341
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 16: You know, it's obviously a privileged position that we're in

1342
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 16: that you know everyone's trying to beat us and you've

1343
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 16: got that target on your back. But you know, at

1344
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 16: the end of the day, I throve off that as

1345
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 16: well because I know that you know, we can't afford

1346
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 16: to make mistakes and we're always trying to I guess

1347
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 16: search for perfection, which is almost impossible the sport, but

1348
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 16: it keeps you on your toes, and it keeps you

1349
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 16: trying to I guess keep pushing forward, and I guess

1350
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 16: not resting your laurels.

1351
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 3: And where do you reckon? You at as a driver

1352
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 3: in totality, how do you see yourself in this career

1353
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 3: of yours at this point in time?

1354
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 16: Definitely driving as good as they ever have. I think

1355
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 16: when you're younger you probably take a few more risks

1356
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 16: in some places. But I think as you get older,

1357
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 16: you get wiser, not just in life, but just and

1358
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 16: how you drive, how you feel in the car. You

1359
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 16: know what's fast, you know what's not fast, and you

1360
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 16: can take a chump, you know if it's not going

1361
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:36,919
Speaker 16: your way on a particular stage or a particular section

1362
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 16: where you may have got it under your skin in

1363
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 16: the past, nowadays you can sort of put it behind

1364
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 16: you and move on. And Yeah, I think when you

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01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 16: look at an overall rally over the course of a

1366
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 16: whole week, I think I can put together a better

1367
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 16: performance now than what I did when I was maybe younger.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and what about the relationship with your co pilot

1369
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 3: and John, I mean as that matures goes on, I

1370
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 3: mean that must be special in and of itself and

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01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 3: must bring you a level of reassurance just can't get

1372
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 3: with with a you know, ever changing group of people.

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Speaker 16: Oh, definitely, like nineteen years you know he's got his

1374
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 16: gold card this year actually so. But you know, John

1375
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 16: and I, like nineteen years ago, we would have never

1376
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 16: thought we'll still be doing this together and we're still

1377
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 16: as competative for each other and still loving it. And

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01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 16: obviously now we're both working with a young co druv

1379
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 16: and Zealan Jared Hudson, who's doing the New Zealand rallies

1380
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 16: with us, so we both work on that next generation

1381
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 16: as well.

1382
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 3: But yeah, is what he does when you talk about

1383
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 3: a new co pilot is what he does art or science.

1384
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 18: Both.

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Speaker 16: I would say. All I know is I couldn't do

1386
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 16: There's no way I'd be sitting on the passenger sick

1387
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 16: with my head down reading pace notes while we're hurling

1388
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 16: through the forested up the turn and commas are.

1389
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Speaker 3: Now that's amazing, isn't it. What sort of series, well,

1390
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 3: what sort of race is the Estonia Race? What sort

1391
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 3: of roads you're dealing with? Is soft roads, you know,

1392
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 3: is it your sort of road or not?

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01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 16: Are you very fast? A bit like New Zealand in

1394
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 16: terms of the speed, but here the roads are a

1395
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:03,439
Speaker 16: lot softer, almost like a sandy top surface gets quite

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01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 16: rough on the second past. The biggest thing here those

1397
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 16: are jumps. They build a lot of man made jumps

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Speaker 16: into the stages, so we're jumping up to fifty sixty

1399
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 16: seventy meters long in the air. So yeah, it's a

1400
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 16: good sensation when you get that right.

1401
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Speaker 3: That's sensational. Hold on, mate, don't go wait. We'll come

1402
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 3: back with more Hayden pattern with us out of a

1403
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 3: stone y'ear ahead of the weekends rally this morning thirteen

1404
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 3: past eight.

1405
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 2: The Mike Hosking Breakfast News dogs.

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01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 3: There'll be sixteen past eight Hayden patterns with us out

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01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 3: of Estonia staying up late for us, which is very

1408
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 3: kind and we do appreciate that. As far as the

1409
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 3: quality of the comp you're in Hayden, how would you

1410
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 3: describe it?

1411
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 16: Definitely the most competitive fields that I've ever been in.

1412
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 16: You know, when we're in wic you had sort of

1413
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 16: eighteen fast drivers at the top, and this field it's

1414
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 16: all probably funded team, So same boat as us, but

1415
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 16: you've got thirty fast drivers and you know you have

1416
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 16: a bad stage. You're out of the top twenty. So yeah,

1417
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 16: it's fiercely competitive.

1418
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 18: Which I love.

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01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 3: Fantastic. Now we mentioned trail Light earlier on, so you

1420
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 3: got the association. How difficult is it? First of all?

1421
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 3: Two part question are you at the face of the

1422
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 3: global economy and cost of living crises and all that

1423
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 3: sort of stuff when it comes to sponsorship and support?

1424
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 3: And part two, how is it currently for you?

1425
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 2: It is tough.

1426
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 16: You know, our business is the motorsport business that we

1427
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 16: have in New Zealand. We have teen employees, so we're

1428
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 16: a small business like a lot of other people in

1429
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 16: the country. And and you know a big part of

1430
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 16: what we do is through partnerships. And you know we're

1431
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 16: down forty percent this year. You know, in tough times

1432
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 16: like this, the first thing that gets called out of

1433
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 16: people's budgets is marketing and sponsorship. So us and we

1434
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 16: as a company, we need to be thinking outside the

1435
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 16: box and on how we provide value. And you know,

1436
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 16: without sponsors, we ultimately can't raise that's you know, that's

1437
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 16: a crack fit.

1438
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 3: So and how much of you needs to be an

1439
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 3: entrepreneur in that sense or do other people handle that

1440
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 3: for you?

1441
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 16: It's probably the biggest part of what I do to

1442
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 16: be fair so more so than driving, and you know,

1443
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 16: and I enjoy it working with our partners so that

1444
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 16: we're so lucky to have so many loyal partners behind us,

1445
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 16: you know, particularly Candan, New Zealand and a lot of

1446
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 16: key iconic Kiwi brands. So yeah, obviously we're going to

1447
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 16: keep I guess pushing a barrow and doing something different

1448
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 16: every year to keep that fresh.

1449
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 18: See.

1450
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:16,919
Speaker 3: Being a motorsport fan, this stuff fascinates me how much

1451
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 3: of the support that's out there, because I'm sawing the

1452
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 3: Liam Lawson relatively recently and he's supported by forty one

1453
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 3: different people, and a lot of that's going to be

1454
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 3: passion as opposed to I don't want the money back

1455
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 3: if it comes fantastic whatever, it's passionate. How much of

1456
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 3: what motorsport is about in your experience in terms of support,

1457
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 3: is passion as opposed to business.

1458
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 16: Yeah, it depends on what phasing your career you're in.

1459
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 16: I think through my early years in WC it was

1460
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 16: definitely passion. We had similar you know, we had like

1461
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 16: up to one hundred sheerholders involved in what we're doing,

1462
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 16: people investing in our future. Nowadays it's a bit more corporate. Obviously,

1463
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 16: you're still passion involved, particularly you know through Hendan new

1464
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 16: Zellen's and people who have been behind us for up

1465
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 16: to ten years. But we have to give a return

1466
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 16: on investment now because at ain't a donation. You know,

1467
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 16: you need to give that point a difference. And you know,

1468
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 16: for us, it's it's not really about the sticker on

1469
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 16: the car. It's actually about the experiences that we provide,

1470
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 16: and you strap people in a rally car and take

1471
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 16: the for a once in a lifetime opportunity that they'll

1472
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 16: remember forever. Providing experiences. It's the stuff outside the car

1473
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,759
Speaker 16: that can actually give the value to the partnerships exactly.

1474
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 3: And when you talk about this, there's link between the

1475
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 3: tech and the Hyundai for example, is it still as

1476
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,600
Speaker 3: applicable as it ever was? So in other words, you

1477
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 3: are in rallying as a car brand to roll technology

1478
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 3: down the track to a road car and get people

1479
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 3: invested in your car, et cetera, not just.

1480
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 16: A road car. I think a lot of things within

1481
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 16: the industry, like obviously that's where electric rally car comes in.

1482
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:45,680
Speaker 16: It sort of pits us in a position as a

1483
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 16: team that we're pushing forward and innovation and engineering, and

1484
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 16: that's where the lights of even Traillight, who are very

1485
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 16: similar to us, or a small New Zealand company pushing

1486
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 16: forward in their industry with engineering and technology the same

1487
01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 16: way as what we are in motorsports. So it's not

1488
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 16: just relevant motive industry, it's all our partners. We're trying

1489
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 16: to portray that we're doing the same as what they are,

1490
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 16: and that's what gives us that point of difference.

1491
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 3: Tell you what's interesting. I try as hard as I

1492
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 3: can to follow Formula E and I'm still not on

1493
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 3: board because of the battery. It doesn't sound right. The

1494
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 3: cars don't sit on the road the same way. But

1495
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 3: I look at you in an EV and the stuff

1496
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 3: you're doing, it looks normal to me. Do you know

1497
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 3: what I mean?

1498
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:28,640
Speaker 16: You Well, to be honest, I'm a little bit the

1499
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 16: similar the same.

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01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 20: You know.

1501
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 16: Our EV car is a prototype where we're doing it

1502
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 16: to prove and show how a rally car can go fast.

1503
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 16: And at the end of the day, rallying is about

1504
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:40,600
Speaker 16: taking a car you can buy on the show and

1505
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 16: floor and go and racing with it. You know, formerly

1506
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 16: one you can't do that. You can't buy a Ferrari

1507
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 16: or McLaren or whatever at your local car dealership. So

1508
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 16: that's our point of difference. But also you know, it's

1509
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 16: not just the electrification, it's also the hydrogen that's coming

1510
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 16: in now. It's a biofuels, is all these different forms

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Speaker 16: of energy that you know, us as a motors work

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Speaker 16: company we have to take hold of and utilize to

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Speaker 16: see what's the best solution.

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Speaker 3: I like hydrogen. Do you like hydrogen?

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Speaker 16: To be fair, we asked, don't a devil on it?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 16: Quietly we've got some hydrogen charging solutions now that we're

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01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 16: now working with with Candan Yellen, which is the first,

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Speaker 16: and then I think hydrogen will play a big partner

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Speaker 16: sport as well. So it's certainly something that we're looking

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Speaker 16: into at the present.

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Speaker 3: Fantastic, Hey listen, go well this weekend and always good

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Speaker 3: to catch up with you. Appreciate it very much and

1524
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Speaker 3: staying up late and all that sort of stuff, and

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Speaker 3: we'll talk again soon.

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Speaker 16: Great appreciate it.

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Speaker 9: Thanks Mane Coodner mate.

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Speaker 3: enjoyed the Hayden Paddent interview. Mike motor Race is also

1555
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Speaker 3: articulate and interesting. Couldn't agree more. Mike Hayden's such a

1556
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 3: down to earth Q Guy's brilliant guy. Y see, he

1557
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 3: is a very nice guy. I note reported again on

1558
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:53,719
Speaker 3: the Herald yesterday. I don't know what's happening with Helmet,

1559
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 3: Marco and f one, but he's repeated what he said

1560
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 3: earlier this week about Liam Lawson. He said it in

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Speaker 3: Austria initially, and now he's gone the build in Germany

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01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 3: builds a major outlet. We will be offering him something

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01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 3: quote unquote a cockpit for next year. It is clear

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01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 3: that the Racing Bulls are a junior team that has

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01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 3: been communicated internally and everyone has understood that. What he

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01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 3: means by junior team is we are a team that

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01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:22,799
Speaker 3: feeds through drivers to the top team. Eventually, Daniel Ricardo

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01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 3: is not young and he's not a driver we're feeding

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01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 3: through to the first team that's the point he's trying

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Speaker 3: to make. So Lawson's team don't know whether that's true

1571
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 3: or not, but the fact that Marco's made the point

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01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:36,799
Speaker 3: twice means one of two things to me. Either something's

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01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 3: happening and Lawson's going to end up in RB next

1574
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 3: year as the full time driver along with Yuki Sonoda,

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01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 3: or there's a battle going on and there's politics at

1576
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 3: play and Helmet Marco is trying to force somebody's hand,

1577
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:55,640
Speaker 3: and Christian Horner likes Ricardo and Marco likes Lawson, and

1578
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:59,639
Speaker 3: by going public, he's trying to flush them out. Got

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01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 3: some holding post the debate, as Biden this morning says

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01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 3: he's in it till the end. Early reported suggesting that

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01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 3: he had told an ally that he didn't know whether

1582
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 3: he was staying in or but he needed to get

1583
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 3: his act together and if he couldn't, he thought it

1584
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 3: was over. They denied all of that. New York Times

1585
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Speaker 3: Siena College poll among likely voters Trump forty nine, Biden

1586
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 3: forty three. Material change among registered voters Trump forty nine,

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01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 3: Biden forty one. Material change. How material is it?

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01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 2: Well?

1589
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 3: Third most recent New York Times poll Trump anywhear from

1590
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 3: plus three to plus six. Second most recent New York

1591
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 3: Times poll Trump anywhere from plus six to plus nine.

1592
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,639
Speaker 3: Average polls over the lot Trump plus one to plus three.

1593
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 3: So there has been a measurable shift in sentiment since

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01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:48,680
Speaker 3: that debate performance, which gives you an indication as to

1595
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 3: why the Democrats are busy in panic mode. Speaking of elections,

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Speaker 3: Rod Little is.

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Speaker 1: Next your trusted source for news and fews, The Mic

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Speaker 3: Edb Badding Mike, I've got the H two number plate.

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Speaker 3: If you want to invest, you do you a good deal.

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01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 3: The problem with the H two number plate would be,

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01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that people would necessarily automatically get it.

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01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 3: There's nothing worse than a personalized plate where you're wandering

1604
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 3: around going hang on, what are they trying to say?

1605
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 3: Is that an extra and I or an A. The

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01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 3: other thing is, if you got an H two plate,

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01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,799
Speaker 3: you'd need a car that ran on H two. Otherwise

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01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 3: people are going, why is that guy with AH two

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01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 3: not driving hydrogen? And that seems to dou they know

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01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 3: though well exactly defect Woll Yeah, No, very good point.

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01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 3: You could just pretend that you were you could just

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01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 3: win your park and go sniff the sniff the tail

1613
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 3: pipe and see if if you fell over, it wasn't

1614
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:47,560
Speaker 3: if you'd quenched your thirst, it was geez. Let me

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01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 3: talk to you about the election, Sir ed Davy. LIB

1616
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 3: Dems trying to rise above the chaos.

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Speaker 7: We want to make sure we build a caring nation

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01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 7: where the importance of social care and family cares is

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01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 7: really at the front, so we can both give them

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Speaker 7: the support they need but also transform our NHS at

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Speaker 7: the same time by investing in care.

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Speaker 2: And that's what warre In people want to hear about.

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01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 3: Absolutely boring. He drive a tractor today, so he tried

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01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 3: to live in himself. Up Rashi with the.

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Speaker 13: Warning the dangers of a labor government with an unchecked majority,

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01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 13: a blank check to do what they want. And that

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01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 13: means people's taxes are going to go up. It means

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01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 13: they're going to pay tax on the state pension for

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01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,680
Speaker 13: the first time in our country's history. It means we'll

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01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 13: make no progress on migration. So if you don't want

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01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 13: those things to happen, if you want your taxes cut

1632
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 13: and our border secure and your pension protected, then you've

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01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 13: got to vote Conservative.

1634
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:40,679
Speaker 3: And Kia, who will be the Prime Minister in about

1635
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 3: twenty four hours, is trying to pretend that it's not

1636
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 3: all liber We will.

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Speaker 23: Continue to fight until ten o'clock tomorrow night, making the

1638
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:50,720
Speaker 23: case that change only happens if you vote for it.

1639
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 23: But it is a huge opportunity for our country. This

1640
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 23: is the opportunity to turn the page and to.

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01:15:56,600 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 1: Move forward international correspondence with insurance, peace of mind for

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01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 1: New Zealand business in.

1643
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 3: The middle of it all love little who's us money?

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01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 18: My good morning to you mate.

1645
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 3: Am I talking to the candidate for the Middlesbrough South

1646
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:11,640
Speaker 3: and East Cleveland constituency.

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01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 18: You are indeed, yes, yes, you are speaking to one

1648
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 18: of them.

1649
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, and so so Simon Clark. Tell me about

1650
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 3: Simon Clark currently in Pasince twenty seventeen. Is he going

1651
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 3: to get rolled by you in the next handful of hours.

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01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 18: Robert, He is going to get robbed by the Labor Party.

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01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:33,640
Speaker 18: I said, I've just seen the latest poll for my constituency.

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01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 18: I get fifteen percent, he gets thirty four, and the

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01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 18: Labor Party gets forty four and the Greens and the

1656
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 18: lip Dems come nowhere. That's a massive turnover. If the

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01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 18: poll is right for the Labor Party, you've got a

1658
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 18: very nice, young, bright candidate who's who's done a good job,

1659
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 18: and it's looking back that for the rest of the country.

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01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 18: To be honest, Mike, you know, there is no susy

1661
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 18: at them out there. The thing I keep hearing from

1662
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 18: people when you know, asking them you know who you're

1663
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 18: going to vote for, is well, they can't do any worse,

1664
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 18: can they? Meaning Labor could not possibly do any worse?

1665
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 18: In the Tories, well, that remains to be seen, frankly,

1666
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:25,759
Speaker 18: I mean, but that is the overwhelming feeling, a great

1667
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 18: tiredness with the Tories. The polls haven't budged very much.

1668
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 18: If truth be told, over the last six weeks of

1669
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 18: this campaign, it's been a very lackluster campaign. Labor has

1670
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 18: told us nothing that it's going to do. It's all

1671
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 18: been soundbites and platitudes, and even in their last addresses

1672
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 18: there was nothing really to be gleaned from Mosakia Starma

1673
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 18: had to say. Meanwhile, at David the leader of the

1674
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:57,679
Speaker 18: Liberal Democrats, hare's done a bungee jump to attract attention

1675
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 18: to his own party. It's made the sort of thing

1676
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 18: I should have done to boost my campaign, but I

1677
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:04,799
Speaker 18: still have a sense of dignity.

1678
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 11: Mike.

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01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:09,640
Speaker 3: You know, I saw the servation work that they do,

1680
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 3: teams of thousands of people. They've got the Tories coming

1681
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 3: in at sixty four, which is one historically low, but

1682
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 3: two they've got them coming in at sixty four to

1683
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 3: the Libdium sixty one, so they within a whisker of

1684
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:23,680
Speaker 3: not actually being the official opposition. Do you believe that?

1685
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 18: No, I don't quite. I think it will be narrower

1686
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 18: than that. I don't know how much narrower than that.

1687
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 18: I think the latest poll puts Labor on something like

1688
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:38,640
Speaker 18: four hundred and twenty seats, which doesn't leave much to

1689
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 18: be divided between the rest. But my suspicion is that

1690
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:44,599
Speaker 18: there are still a lot of shy Tories out there,

1691
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 18: of people who are going to vote conservative, despite the

1692
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:53,560
Speaker 18: fact that everyone is saying that nobody is vote in conservative.

1693
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 18: It's a psychological problem, I think. Which we have had

1694
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 18: these shy Tory votes before twenty fifteen was the obvious

1695
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 18: case when nobody affected the tourist to but they did.

1696
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 18: I don't think it's going to be anything like that

1697
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 18: this time, but I do think it will mitigate the

1698
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,640
Speaker 18: size of Labour's majority and then it might be you know,

1699
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 18: one hundred and fifty or so, or one hundred and

1700
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 18: twenty rather than what they're looking of.

1701
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 3: At the moment, but reasonably confident and being able to

1702
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 3: say it'll be a bigger sweep than blear.

1703
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 18: Yeah, or in that neck of the woods, isn't that

1704
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 18: neck of I was there was talking to a Tory

1705
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 18: EDP the night before last who thought he could still

1706
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 18: be a hung parliament. I don't know what sort of

1707
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 18: cracker caine they're feeding these people. It certainly doesn't steam

1708
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 18: like that to me.

1709
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 9: That moved.

1710
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 18: The tide has got out on the Conservative Party and

1711
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 18: the tide is coming in on Labor. I think that's

1712
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 18: pretty straightforward.

1713
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 3: And we think Faraje will get a seat and according

1714
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:55,560
Speaker 3: to this pole, he'll get a handful of seats. Is

1715
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 3: that one of those things? And we've seen in this

1716
01:19:57,200 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 3: country as well, because you know, governments are swept in

1717
01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 3: a swipped out tremendous numbers of people arrive and in

1718
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,040
Speaker 3: the next election tremendous number of people leave because you

1719
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 3: will never replicate this result again.

1720
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, I think that's probably right. I think that's

1721
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:17,680
Speaker 18: probably right. I mean the fat reform thing. As soon

1722
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 18: as Nigel Ferrat announced this candidacy, that did change the

1723
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:24,639
Speaker 18: whole tenor of the election, and it's made the defeat

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Speaker 18: far worse for the Conservative Party that he would otherwise

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01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:32,679
Speaker 18: have been. That being said, the reform vote does seem

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01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,639
Speaker 18: to have plateaued and I'm not sure how many seats

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Speaker 18: he will get.

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Speaker 3: Maybe three or four, okay does Rischie. So what happens

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Speaker 3: to Rushie obviously is gone in time, and then there's

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Speaker 3: the leadership discussion. Who replaces him.

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Speaker 18: Well, the favorite at the moment comes from the right

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Speaker 18: of the party and that's Kenny Badenoch. There was some

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Speaker 18: question about whether she be eligible to standard and leadership

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Speaker 18: contest because there's a sort of a problem with the

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Speaker 18: postal votes in her area and various other little problems

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Speaker 18: as well, but she, Suelle Braverman, from the right of

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01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 18: the party, will be pretty heavy favorite to win. The

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Speaker 18: Reform Party, for its part, seems to think that some

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01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 18: new form of rightly block can be established. I'm not

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01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 18: so sure about that either, and there have been a

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01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 18: few missteps by Nigel Faraj in this election campaign. There's

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01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 18: not really a very credible candidate from the Tory leftow

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01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 18: or indeed the center. I can't see one at the moment.

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Speaker 18: I mean it would be nice to think there was.

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01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 18: Perhaps Penny Mordant would be the closest to that.

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Speaker 3: All right, might listen, sleep well, go well, and good

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01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 3: luck tomorrow. Rod little, as I say, in the Middlesborough

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01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 3: South and East Cleveland constituency, currently held by the Tory

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01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 3: Simon Clark since twenty seventeen. But it looks like, according

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01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 3: to Rod's polling, Luke Meyer of the Labor Party will

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01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 3: bowl in with some forty four percent of the vote.

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01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:09,720
Speaker 3: And if that sort of swing is replicated around the

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01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 3: rest of the country, well, at twenty four hours it's

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01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:17,679
Speaker 3: going to be eight forty five. The Mike Costing Breakfast, Mike,

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01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 3: you really love the selection stuff, don't you, marry? No

1756
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:22,480
Speaker 3: one loves it more than I do. It's history unfolding.

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01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 3: It says the democracy in action. No one loves that more.

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01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 3: You share. Everyone should love it, Mike. England just needs

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01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 3: to look at New Zealand to see how things will

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01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 3: go If Labour it's a huge majority. Janet not so

1761
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 3: in the sense that not all Labour parties are created equal.

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01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 3: I mean Labor runs America at the moment, in part

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01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 3: I mean the equivalent of labor Labor runs Australia. You

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01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 3: could probably argue that's a bit of a disaster. I

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01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 3: think the labor government of seventeen through twenty three is

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01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 3: different to the Labor government of twenty through twenty three.

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01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 3: The Labor government of twenty through twenty three is probably

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01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 3: the biggest disaster we've seen since Muldoon. I don't know

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01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:55,680
Speaker 3: that Keios Starmer is the Labor government will necessarily be

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01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:57,680
Speaker 3: that big a disaster. He'll certainly take them in a

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01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 3: different direction. So you've got to separate out ideological difference

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01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 3: and direction and whether they actually execute what they believe

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01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 3: in well versus you just not liking the fact that

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01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 3: they may have gone slightly to the left. Here's my

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01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:14,160
Speaker 3: new theory. I was just watching Biden. Biden's handing out

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01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 3: some medals of honor at the moment later on this

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01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 3: afternoon his time, I think it's two thirty his time,

1778
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 3: and it's not four thirty his time, which is ten

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01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:22,719
Speaker 3: thirty out time. He's meeting with some of the governors

1780
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 3: who are a bit angsty about his performance of late. Anyway,

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01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 3: the point being is all the television networks are now

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01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 3: going to Biden. Every time Biden literally gets out of bed,

1783
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 3: the television cameras are covering him. Bad thing about that

1784
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 3: for him is if he blows, it's over. But the

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01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 3: good thing for him if he doesn't blow it, if

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01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:39,759
Speaker 3: he looks normal, if he looks feisty. Given the amount

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01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 3: of coverage, no one is getting more coverage globally at

1788
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:45,799
Speaker 3: the moment than Biden because they are desperate for something

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01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 3: to happen, and that's why every camera in the world

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01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 3: has trained on him. That's good coverage, and coverage in

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01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 3: an election year, you can't buy Mike I like the

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01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 3: Michelle Obama Trump poll. Yeah, most people do, but Michelle

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01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 3: Obama's not running and isn't going to run, and you

1794
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 3: can like it. Look, if you put Mickey Mouse up

1795
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,559
Speaker 3: against Trump, you know, maybe Mickey Mouse, but guess Mickey

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01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 3: Mouse ain't running either. Don't put fantasy ideas up in

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01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 3: a poll and go tell your well, I like that call,

1798
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 3: because unless it's real, it doesn't make any difference. And gee,

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01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 3: there's been a lot of reaction on this this morning.

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01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 3: Anxious exclamation mark, exclamation mark, exclamation mark, reminds me of

1801
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 3: my martial arts training. We go back to the teaching

1802
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 3: and all these people, including the Labour party, that worry

1803
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 3: that little kids are going to get anxious about testing

1804
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 3: reminds me of my martial arts training and gradings tests.

1805
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 3: No matter how hard you trained, instructor would find an

1806
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 3: area to test you on anxious soft I got to

1807
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 3: second Dan over fourteen years. Good on you, Debbie. Second

1808
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 3: Dan's not as many Dans as I've got, But I

1809
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 3: don't like to scoute Night Away from nine the.

1810
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:49,640
Speaker 2: Mike hosting Breakfast with Jaguar News TOGSDB.

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 3: If you've got a rural or lifestyle property and you

1813
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:54,640
Speaker 3: own one of those, are you lucky. But when it

1814
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 3: comes time to sell it, you want to connect with

1815
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 3: the rural real estate agent that you really is going

1816
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 3: to do the business for you. And when it's time

1817
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 3: to sell the name as Bailey's, obviously Bailey's are the one.

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01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 3: It's not just another real estate agent. They are proudly

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01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:07,560
Speaker 3: one hundred percent key we going to operate it in

1820
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 3: impress of twenty five years. Rural Rural real Estate Experience

1821
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 3: are their rural and lifestyle agents. They bring their deep

1822
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 3: rural knowledge and experience to the table, ensuring top notch

1823
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:19,839
Speaker 3: results with exceptional service. They don't just make big promises,

1824
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 3: they deliver and that's the key to a good relationship.

1825
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 3: From Northland to Southland, across all the rural sectors. Bailey's

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01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 3: boasts the expertise, the professionalism and the proven track record

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01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 3: to find the buyers that others can't. So Bailey's dot

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01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 3: co dot in z slash country is what you're looking for.

1829
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 3: Right Bailey's dot co dot in z slash country. To

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01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 3: see why Bailey's is all together better for the rural

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01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 3: and lifestyle properties. Remember the name when it comes time

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01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 3: to sell Bailey's licensed ri double a two thousand and

1833
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 3: eight hoscinormation as Trump made it.

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01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 9: Got through spe.

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Speaker 3: Can we get Thank god I'm not running. Imagine if

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01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 3: I was running, who would vote for that had idiot?

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01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 3: He doesn't even know who So five minutes away from nine.

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01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 1: Trending now as wells keeping Kiwi's healthy all year round.

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01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:11,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Biden got through it unscathed, So he's handing out

1840
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:12,640
Speaker 3: some medals at the moment. Then he's going to go

1841
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 3: deal with some governors. Now we got got a sandwich

1842
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 3: update earlier on We told you about the Internet taking

1843
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 3: the mickey out of poor old Rishie when he was

1844
01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 3: on This Morning Program, This Morning Program, answering the question

1845
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:24,679
Speaker 3: about his favorite meal.

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01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:28,680
Speaker 13: My favorite meal generally is sandwiches, So that is I'm

1847
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:29,719
Speaker 13: a big sandwich person.

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01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 3: He doesn't even say it right. Sandwiches, really, I love

1849
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 3: a sandwiche.

1850
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 14: Was like one of the favorous fives, a dirty old sandwich.

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01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:43,680
Speaker 3: Anyway, our next question was, of course, what sort of

1852
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 3: sandwich Richie? He said he was He was partial to

1853
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 3: a ham, cheese and tomato. Course pushed he was his

1854
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 3: favorite meal. It gets worse. His favorite meal is a

1855
01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 3: club sanwige and chips and a coke. So for the

1856
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:06,560
Speaker 3: club sandwich, chicken, bacon, lettuce, tomato and mayonnaise. That's a

1857
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 3: club sandwich. Once again, the Internet went off. Happy election Eve.

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01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 3: Remember to leave out a nondescript sandwich for Rishi before bed.

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01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 10: I'm a big sandwich puzz it, a.

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01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 3: Big sandwich person. I love sandwiches. Sandwiches are my favorite food.

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01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 3: Anything can be a sandwich. Sandwiches are awesome. But now

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01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:25,680
Speaker 3: Rishie likes them. I'll always think Rushie would love this

1863
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,959
Speaker 3: whenever I have one. Thanks Rishie, You've even ruined sandwiches

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01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 3: for me.

1865
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 10: Now, I'm a big sandwich puss it, big.

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01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:34,880
Speaker 3: Sandwich person, and they call Kia Starma boring.

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01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:38,759
Speaker 10: I'm a big sandwich puss it, I heard.

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01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 3: Says another. I heard Rushie left t day to get

1869
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 3: a proper chicken sandwich.

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01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:43,679
Speaker 10: I a beg sandwich, buzzed.

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01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 14: The really depressing thing about this is that we know

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01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 14: that he hardly eats anything anyway.

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01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 3: Well certainly not on a Sunday night through Monday.

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01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 14: Correct and so the rest of the time he's just

1875
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 14: eating boring.

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01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:56,599
Speaker 3: Sandwiches jes Anyway, I got a bit excited there when

1877
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 3: I heard about the chips and the coke.

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01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 14: I thought, from split second, I or is he making

1879
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 14: a chip sandwich, you know, putting chips in a sandwich,

1880
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 14: because that's actually pretty.

1881
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 3: But no, No, I admire a stamina. It must be

1882
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 3: amazing to run a campaign knowing you're going to get thrashed,

1883
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 3: working all ours God Send, despite all of that, knowing

1884
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 3: you're going to get thrashed, and must be like working

1885
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 3: on a music station with no audience. Mu wasn't it?

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01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:22,560
Speaker 9: You know?

1887
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 14: Still, I wouldn't know the Merino jersey that he's been

1888
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:29,560
Speaker 14: wearing the last couple of days. Is that similar to

1889
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:30,439
Speaker 14: the one that you've bought.

1890
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 3: I've got a little I got in Mind's got a

1891
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 3: slightly more edge to it, but it doesn't have a

1892
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 3: zip for a simple I mean, who people have zip

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01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 3: jerseys tend to weep. Sandwiches is my summation of life.

1894
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 2: Anyway.

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01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 3: That's enough of me for the day, probably more than

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01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:44,639
Speaker 3: a half. I hear some people say happy days.

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