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Speaker 1: Speaking of the Prime Minister and speaking of Japan. This

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Speaker 1: is part of as we are open for business world tour.

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Speaker 1: Japan as our fourth largest export partner. Of course, on

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Speaker 1: the trip carries a significant business delegation if they ever

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Speaker 1: get there. A professor of international relations at a Tager University,

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Speaker 1: Robert Patman, is, whether it's Robert, very good morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, Good morning mine.

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Speaker 1: What's your impression of Japan. Mine of Japan is, yes,

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Speaker 1: they're big, and yes they're influential. But of all the

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Speaker 1: countries we do business with, we think of the US,

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Speaker 1: we think of China, we think of the EU. Ahead

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Speaker 1: of Japan, Japan seems to fly under the radar. Rabit.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you in terms of perception. But since

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Speaker 2: all governments since twenty seventeen have made up elevating relations

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Speaker 2: with the Japan a priority, and it's no. And that's

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Speaker 2: not surprising because all governments since about that period have

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Speaker 2: been desperate to diversify trade, reduce trade dependence on China.

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Speaker 2: Japan is a partner with US in the Transpacific Partnership,

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Speaker 2: comprehend of the progressive Transpacific Partnership. In fact, they were

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Speaker 2: a leading player after the United States pulled out of

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Speaker 2: that under mister Trump. So you know, we are seeing

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Speaker 2: stead of the improving trade with them as part of

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Speaker 2: that arrangement, but obviously we'd like to give it a boost.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's you know, I think it's a

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Speaker 2: really smart move on the part of the government to

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Speaker 2: signal the priority of really boosting relations with Japan, liberal democracy,

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Speaker 2: big economy.

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Speaker 1: Are they open traders. I mean, there's very conservative around

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Speaker 1: certain as being a rice and cultural bits and pieces.

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Speaker 2: But they are like minded, Mike. They do believe in

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Speaker 2: multilateralism and they do believe in the rules based orders.

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Speaker 2: So if we can really boost trade relations with them,

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Speaker 2: we're not going to have the sort of complications we

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Speaker 2: have dealing with authoritarian states where we really only have

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Speaker 2: economics or business in comments. So there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: potential in this relationship, and it's it's it's just frustrating.

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Speaker 2: But as you saying just before we started speaking about

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Speaker 2: this breakdown in the plane, is not a good look

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Speaker 2: for the country when we're trying to sell ourselves as

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Speaker 2: having really impressive business sector. It just doesn't you know,

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Speaker 2: it's about time the game I've got on top of this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, will security be an issue, things like aucust,

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Speaker 1: the specific geopolitics of the area.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand that Japan is a like New Zealand

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Speaker 2: exploring the option of Pillar two. But we already actually

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Speaker 2: have an upgraded intelligence relationship with Japan, and I think

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Speaker 2: there's my senses, there's a lot that can be done

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Speaker 2: to boost by natural security cooperation, and I understand that

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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister will be saying more about that in

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Speaker 2: the course of his visit.

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Speaker 1: All right, Robert, good to catch up with you appreciate

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Speaker 1: it very much, Robert Patman, Professor of International Reactions, Out

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