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Speaker 1: Heather Dupless Allen, I'll tell yeah, Actually, this guy turns

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Speaker 1: out to be fascinating. I'm we give you so many

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Speaker 1: more Pope facts, more Pope facts, and you know what

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Speaker 1: to do with over drinkies. This evening standard text fees apply.

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Speaker 1: By the way. Now, on dogs, the issue of dog

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Speaker 1: attacks is back front and center. After a vicious attack

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Speaker 1: on a child at a West Auckland sports field, Auckland

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Speaker 1: Council is again putting the warning out. They say the

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Speaker 1: rise of off leash dogs at sports fields is a

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Speaker 1: disturbing trend. The issue was wider than that. Last year

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Speaker 1: in Auckland alone, there were five hundred and ninety two

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Speaker 1: dog attacks. There were only six hundred six. Euthanasia. Euthanasia.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what the word is. Euthanizations, euthanizations

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Speaker 1: of dogs. Lord, honestly mercy killings. Rob Irvine's Auckland Council's

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Speaker 1: General manager of Licensing and Compliance. And with me now, Rob,

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Speaker 1: I'm off to a good start. How about you, Hi?

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Speaker 2: Hi?

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Speaker 3: Topic to follow after listening to stuff about the Pope.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you go to pope and then you go to

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Speaker 1: dead dogs. Ok Now, listen, what is the situation here?

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Speaker 1: Have we got people walking into parks that there are

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Speaker 1: no full well of parks that are not supposed to

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Speaker 1: have dogs in them off the leash, and then they're

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Speaker 1: letting the dogs off the leash.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I think it's just generally that I think,

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Speaker 3: you know, largely getting a lot of people out and

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Speaker 3: about taking their dogs for a walk and they're just

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Speaker 3: using I guess sports fields is a great opportunity to

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Speaker 3: get their dog off the leash and you know, throw

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Speaker 3: a stick and let their dog roam.

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Speaker 1: Are you and so what happens if you find out

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Speaker 1: that this has happened? What can you do?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So look, you know, we are doing proactive patrols

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Speaker 3: across areas where we know there's you know, the high

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Speaker 3: risk spots. But in terms of if you're a member

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Speaker 3: of the public, you know what we do recommend just

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Speaker 3: just calling us on zero hundred four six two six

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Speaker 3: eight five if you're seeing a dog that's roaming and

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Speaker 3: we will come in and dress that.

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Speaker 1: How fast will you come?

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Speaker 3: Well, when we see a dog of LEAs or roamings,

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Speaker 3: particularly in an era like a sports field where that's

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Speaker 3: a higher risk, we classify that as a p one

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Speaker 3: which is effectively that sixty minute an hour.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's not fast enough because that dog I mean,

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Speaker 2: because because by the time I've called you on eight

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Speaker 2: hundred whatever that number was, and then the dog, the

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Speaker 2: dog is wandering around you tune up an hour laying

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Speaker 2: so that dog's already gone on somewhere else or attack.

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Speaker 3: Or yeah, I mean the dogs. We recognize dogs move

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Speaker 3: so quickly. And that's why I always keep on coming

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Speaker 3: back to actually the cause of problems if a dog. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: if these areas that are high risk, when a dog

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Speaker 3: shouldn't be all fleash, you know, that is the problem

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Speaker 3: with it. You know, we've got to be educating out

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Speaker 3: the owners themselves to actually be keeping the dog on

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Speaker 3: leash when when in these sort of like Higherst. Garria.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. I do sympathize with you all. Cland's

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Speaker 1: a big place, right and so getting anywhere it takes

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Speaker 1: a long time. Now, Okay, Robert, if we had five

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Speaker 1: hundred and ninety two dog attacks but we only put

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Speaker 1: down six dogs, can you explain that to me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not so sure where you got those figures,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, we had you know, sadly, sadly we had

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Speaker 3: a lot more.

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Speaker 1: Those figures from Auckland Council.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, because last year around we're fourteen hundred dog

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Speaker 3: attacks on people perandom and we last year we put

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Speaker 3: you know, sadly, we powdered about eight thousand dogs, of

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Speaker 3: which sadly we eternaze about half of those fourth ounds.

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Speaker 1: But how much how many of those dogs are dogs

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Speaker 1: that are directly related to the attacks rather than just

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Speaker 1: abandoned dogs. Do you know what I mean? Like, how

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Speaker 1: many dogs that attacks people did you put down?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So I think it would be I don't have

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Speaker 3: exact figures, but it would be roughly about We have

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Speaker 3: about one hundred and fifty investigations on the go at

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Speaker 3: the moment around attacks. And you know, if we go

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Speaker 3: through to prosecution, those end up you know how any of.

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Speaker 1: Them would go to prosecution?

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Speaker 3: Well, we chained to mostly. We'll take them through to prosecution.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and then most of the dogs end up being deaded.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the Yeah, judge agrees that the dog is

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Speaker 3: actually until Oh.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of Robert, there's a lot of listen. Okay,

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Speaker 1: tell me something, Okay, tell me what happens if I

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Speaker 1: let's say that I get a video of somebody's dog

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Speaker 1: running off the leash at the local park and I

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Speaker 1: give it to you, what are the chances, like, what

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Speaker 1: are you going to do about that? If I can

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Speaker 1: identify where the dog lives and give you all the information,

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Speaker 1: what will you do?

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Speaker 3: Yes, we'll go and investigate that, and they will the

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Speaker 3: likely then end up being an infringement.

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Speaker 1: And what is an infringement's punishment?

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Speaker 3: Fine? Yeah, So, Robert, what.

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Speaker 1: I'm starting to come the view that I'm starting to

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Speaker 1: come around to is that we need to stop playing

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Speaker 1: silly buggers here, and we need to give people three strikes,

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Speaker 1: and if they do things three times, we just kill

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Speaker 1: the dog. What do you think?

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Speaker 3: You know, that's that's quote.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not hard out aim.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You know.

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Speaker 1: What's more heard out, though, Robert, is when a dog

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Speaker 1: kills a kid or scars a kid, like just happened

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Speaker 1: the other day. So what do you think? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So, I think you know, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: the key thing for us, and I keep on coming

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Speaker 3: back to it, it's a key thing for us is

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Speaker 3: actually making sure dog owners themselves are taking that response

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Speaker 3: and they, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean many dog owners are actual numpties.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of the times. You know, again, this

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Speaker 3: is our part of a big process that we've got

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Speaker 3: in a way around educating and making sure yet that

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Speaker 3: those dog owners know the rules, understand they keep the dogs.

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Speaker 3: Just like you said earlier, it happens so quickly. A

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Speaker 3: dog can be out of a property within seconds and

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Speaker 3: attack someone in the road, and we can't always be there.

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Speaker 3: And that's why we do need those dog owners.

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Speaker 1: I have to wrap us up. But I want to

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Speaker 1: know that dog that attacked that little girl on Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: what's happened to the dog?

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Speaker 3: Look, that will be under investigation at the moment. So again,

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Speaker 3: like I said earlier, we go through the process of

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Speaker 3: us we'll investigate that fully.

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Speaker 1: And I don't get it, Robert, Why do we need

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Speaker 1: to investigate it the dog but a girl kill it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there's process. Yeah, they'd get and lack of everything,

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Speaker 3: and you know, in the normal any other situation like

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Speaker 3: have to go through investigation.

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Speaker 1: Pity, isn't it, Robert? Thank you? I appreciate it. Robert Irvine,

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Speaker 1: who was obviously you know, with the dogs and stuff

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Speaker 1: at Auckland Council, tell you what happened to that dog.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've caught up on the story,

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Speaker 1: but what happened was this little girl was watching and

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Speaker 1: we don't know the age, but she was a young

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Speaker 1: girl watching football training with her family members at Crumb

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Speaker 1: Park and Sitarangi in west Auckland and she was attacked

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Speaker 1: by a dog that was off a leash. The dog

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Speaker 1: was seized, has since been released on strict conditions pending

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Speaker 1: potential prosecution. It was a mongrel of no discernible breed.

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't I tell you what if I was in

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Speaker 1: charge of those dogs at dog wouldn't be released, dog

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Speaker 1: be taken out the back. You wouldn't see the dog again.

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