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Speaker 4: with me as always Liam Napier.

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Speaker 3: Liam.

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Speaker 4: Another big weekends in rugby and we'll get to the

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Speaker 4: shield a bit later on. That was the most important

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Speaker 4: result of the weekend. Sides that they happen, No, no, no,

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Speaker 4: we'll get a deep dive into that a bit later on.

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Speaker 4: Don't worry about that. The Black Ferns beating Ireland as

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Speaker 4: well in a very impressive result. Australia beats Argentina. But

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Speaker 4: we are here to discuss primarily the All Blacks and

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Speaker 4: spring Box and the All Blacks twenty four to seventeen

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Speaker 4: winners over the Box. Leam in a weird way, like

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Speaker 4: it feels like Christmas is It's like a few days

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Speaker 4: after Christmas where you're sort of lying on the couch

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Speaker 4: the things have been and gone, you sort of you

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Speaker 4: play with the new toys and there's a bit of

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Speaker 4: a coumdown. We still have another test match to go

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Speaker 4: this weekend, which we'll get up for a few days.

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Speaker 4: But everything was building to that test match at Eden

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Speaker 4: Park on the weekend. Did it deliver?

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Speaker 2: It's a good analogy that.

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Speaker 5: I haven't got my sweatpants on and don't quite need

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Speaker 3: But the Boxing day test to watch either.

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Speaker 2: But the comedown is accurate, wasn't it.

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Speaker 5: That was just the hype, the anticipation, the build up,

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Speaker 5: all eyes trains fixed on Eden Park. It really was

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Speaker 5: an occasion to savor and I think it did largely deliver.

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Speaker 5: I can't remember certainly in recent times a comparable atmosphere

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Speaker 5: New Zealand context. Eden Park was buzzing, you know. Three

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Speaker 5: North Shore and bus stops are packed with South African fans.

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Speaker 5: As soon as the gates open, South African fans are

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Speaker 5: were a lot of South Africans, a lot of people

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Speaker 5: making gags about if you're going to raid.

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Speaker 2: The north Shore.

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Speaker 5: That was the night to do it, and the match itself,

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Speaker 5: look I had a bit of everything. The All Blacks

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Speaker 5: pulled away to fourteen point leads, but couldn't put the

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Speaker 5: and the All Blacks prevailed to preserve Eden Park. When

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Speaker 5: the euphoria dies down and the satisfaction for the All

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Speaker 5: Blacks and the soreness subsides, the spectacle itself wasn't amazing,

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Speaker 4: It did, and that all plays into it, doesn't it.

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Speaker 4: You look back in a couple of days on and

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Speaker 4: the Test match may not seem as good as you

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Speaker 4: thought in the moment. There were errors that a lot

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Speaker 4: you're swept up in that eighty minutes plus of rugby,

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Speaker 4: that doesn't matter because it delivered in all facets.

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Speaker 3: Let's break it down a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Great start from the All Blacks and ninety seconds Indy

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Speaker 5: Well, the first two tries are real ticks for the

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Speaker 2: But those were two massive ticks.

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Speaker 4: They were and the All Blacks scoring in the second

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Speaker 5: And I think another big tick there for Quinn to Pie.

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Speaker 5: the decisive score for the All Blacks put them up

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Speaker 5: for a second time in the second half by fourteen points,

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Speaker 5: There were was at least I think two penalties from

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Speaker 5: Then Ardie Severe gets that massive turnover and then the

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Speaker 5: it was high stakes drama. The match report almost went

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Speaker 5: They didn't make it an easy watch to finish the day.

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Speaker 5: They did, and I think one of the big wins

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Speaker 5: was enough composure there and their scrambling defense got them

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Speaker 2: There's some really good things they did.

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Speaker 5: Simon Parker switching to blindside, that's one hundred percent his

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Speaker 2: That was another big win.

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Speaker 5: So defensively the All Blacks really stepped up because I

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I think the context is important, isn't it,

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Speaker 5: Because there's so much pressure on this All Black team.

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Speaker 5: You're coming off a defeat the biggest test of Scott

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Speaker 5: to storm the fortress their first match. They haven't won

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Speaker 5: an Eton Park against the All Blacks in eighty eight years.

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Speaker 5: There was just so much on the line and if

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Speaker 4: No you can't, and that was the primary primary target

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Speaker 3: You've got to back it up and do it again.

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Speaker 5: You do and look, as with all every performances, things

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Speaker 5: to improve. The All Black set piece wasn't great. That

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Speaker 5: to Tyrol Lomax losing his footing and then massive eight

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Speaker 2: They lost a lot of ball there.

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Speaker 5: Malcolm Marx was penalized for decision whether it's throwing. I

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Speaker 2: Also stylistically highly predictable.

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Speaker 4: Yes, very predictable, and the All Blacks forced the box

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 5: It's very unrussy like to inject your props and hookers

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Speaker 5: it clear and the lead up to that game that

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Speaker 5: to beat the All Blacks in New Zealand, you have

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what to call that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the midfield line out sort of thing.

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Speaker 5: Girl Black shut that down. That that was the only

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Speaker 5: don't they they do?

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Speaker 4: I saw this morning and it was well telegraphed. It's

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Speaker 4: they saw them positioning for it. I suspect the Box

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Speaker 5: And the other element is It's been a lot made

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Speaker 5: I didn't see anything of Tony Brown's innovations in that performance.

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Speaker 4: Stephen Kittsoff spoke to our colleague Darcy Watergrave last week

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they do need to be a bit

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Speaker 5: and there is this question hanging over the Springbok team

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Speaker 5: It was wet, it was slippery, which made handling difficult,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and the All Blacks brought into that and they

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Speaker 4: The fifteens are going back and forth against each other.

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Speaker 4: It was a night for kicking. I think it was

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Speaker 4: I would like to see the All Blacks be a

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Speaker 4: hard for me, I think, to be a little to

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Speaker 4: any sorry to be too critical of that, because they yes,

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Speaker 4: they also beat it. The from what's game plan Russia

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Speaker 4: Rastlin's conceded post match that they were beaten in the

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Speaker 4: aerial battle. Now, fourteen days prior in Argentina and Buenos Aidres,

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Speaker 4: the All Blacks had been well beaten in their aerial contest.

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Speaker 5: I think in that match, a win is a win

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Speaker 5: But for me, raisor Robinson's Crusaders weren't overly ambitious either.

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Speaker 5: That they squeezed you, you know, when the pressure came on,

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Speaker 5: they went to their set piece, they kicked their goals

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Speaker 5: the lights of Richiemuwonga, but they weren't held to skelter,

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Speaker 4: Well no, you're right, they squeezed, put the pressure on

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and just on that, here's some state that's in.

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Speaker 5: It's very Unall Black like. Okay, so clean breaks in

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Speaker 5: this tournament the Wallabies have twenty two, South Africa twenty Argentina,

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Speaker 5: thirteen New Zealand six six six meters gained. The All

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Speaker 5: fifty nine compared to Argentina and Australia's eighty one. So

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Speaker 5: that really does speak to I guess the style that

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Speaker 5: Are those numbers alarming?

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Speaker 4: They are a little bit, But I'd hasten to add that,

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Speaker 4: Now they're very poor in as ideas, and that's where

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Speaker 4: they didn't quite get their game going. So I suppose

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Speaker 4: if you're two wins one loss from the tournament, you

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Speaker 3: The line out. I just want to see wins from

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if they play an exceptional brand of attacking rugby, great,

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Speaker 4: But primarily this team needs to win.

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Speaker 5: I think wins matter and test rugby right, and records matter,

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Speaker 5: first of almost one hundred percent, I think the All

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Speaker 5: All Blacks look really good when their forwards offload, you know,

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Speaker 5: Wallace to tt to Mighty williams Ardie severe. That second

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Speaker 5: the conditions of it being winter South Africa. Very good defensively,

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Speaker 5: I think missing cam Rugard as well as a big out.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I would like to see the All Blacks

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Speaker 4: In some of those stets areund the carries, line breaks,

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Speaker 4: the box played expansively. The Wallabies had to chase the game,

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Speaker 4: therefore they were playing expansively. So whether there's something in

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Speaker 4: the stats that you know, suggest that maybe they're above

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's aren't the beer or an end all.

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Speaker 5: They can be skewed, but I think it's very un

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Speaker 4: We talked a bit about the scrums earlier. Is that

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Speaker 4: him a couple of scrum penalties and then William's Lomax

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Speaker 4: come on scrum probably goes backwards even further. These are

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Speaker 5: I think it is a concern because, as you say,

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Speaker 5: Tomighty Williams entire Lomax, the expectation was those guys would

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Speaker 5: that certainly didn't happen. Maybe it's an element of playing

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Speaker 5: didn't he and he was talking about how the All

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Speaker 3: Might need to make a twelve this week, yeah, call.

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Speaker 5: But look, that's an area that they All Blacks pride

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Speaker 4: They will indeed anything through that add from the game

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Speaker 5: Oh mate, how good? And for me that really speaks

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Speaker 5: Yep, just South African anthem is probably my favorite in

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Speaker 2: I think they cut it after the.

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Speaker 3: Multi first.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was only half of it.

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Speaker 5: think for what's to come we do it all again

436
00:23:01,173 --> 00:23:02,053
Speaker 5: in Wellington this week.

437
00:23:02,133 --> 00:23:03,173
Speaker 3: How good?

438
00:23:03,693 --> 00:23:06,813
Speaker 4: Speaking of the all black side for this weekend, what

439
00:23:07,053 --> 00:23:09,853
Speaker 4: changes are you picking? I think there's a fairly obvious

440
00:23:09,893 --> 00:23:12,613
Speaker 4: one in terms of Cody Taylor not being there, Sammasoni Takya,

441
00:23:12,613 --> 00:23:15,093
Speaker 4: who will come in, Brody McAllister off the bench. There's

442
00:23:15,373 --> 00:23:20,253
Speaker 4: one change Jason Ryan described Murni Dandawah is highly unlikely.

443
00:23:20,333 --> 00:23:22,573
Speaker 4: We will not see him this sweek in So what

444
00:23:22,613 --> 00:23:24,333
Speaker 4: do you do there? Do you bring in Caleb Clark

445
00:23:24,373 --> 00:23:27,293
Speaker 4: on the left wing? Move Ricca Yuanni to the right

446
00:23:27,573 --> 00:23:30,053
Speaker 4: is at least defying a Nuoku time. What's your feeling

447
00:23:30,093 --> 00:23:30,893
Speaker 4: at this point of the week.

448
00:23:32,013 --> 00:23:35,773
Speaker 5: It's hard with Caleb Clark because he's a specialist left winger,

449
00:23:35,853 --> 00:23:38,573
Speaker 5: isn't he? So I would have picked him last week?

450
00:23:39,253 --> 00:23:41,613
Speaker 5: Would I would definitely pick him this week. He was

451
00:23:41,653 --> 00:23:44,453
Speaker 5: good for Auckland again, he's had those two games. He's

452
00:23:44,493 --> 00:23:46,693
Speaker 5: your best aerial exponent. You know that's where the box

453
00:23:46,693 --> 00:23:50,213
Speaker 5: are going to come for you get him in there. Personally,

454
00:23:50,253 --> 00:23:53,013
Speaker 5: I don't want to see Seva Reese recalled. I think

455
00:23:53,173 --> 00:23:56,573
Speaker 5: that that's the easy option. But you made the tough

456
00:23:56,613 --> 00:24:00,013
Speaker 5: call to drop him. I think he's a bit of

457
00:24:00,053 --> 00:24:02,773
Speaker 5: a liability from a card point of view, is quite

458
00:24:02,893 --> 00:24:07,413
Speaker 5: erratic in the way he buzzes about the fields. I

459
00:24:07,453 --> 00:24:09,093
Speaker 5: would love to see Lee were a car to get

460
00:24:09,093 --> 00:24:11,413
Speaker 5: to go. Yeah, I don't think they'll go that way.

461
00:24:11,413 --> 00:24:14,213
Speaker 5: I think they will potentially shift Rico to the right wing.

462
00:24:14,613 --> 00:24:18,693
Speaker 5: The other option is they finished the way they where

463
00:24:18,693 --> 00:24:22,533
Speaker 5: they start the way they finished Saturday night, Damien McKenzie

464
00:24:22,573 --> 00:24:24,533
Speaker 5: at fallback and Will Jordan on the wing. But Will

465
00:24:24,613 --> 00:24:27,653
Speaker 5: Jordan's not going great under the high ball, is he.

466
00:24:27,933 --> 00:24:30,973
Speaker 4: No, he's kind of off the last couple of games.

467
00:24:30,973 --> 00:24:33,293
Speaker 4: I know whether it's the escort rule that's maybe changed

468
00:24:33,533 --> 00:24:37,253
Speaker 4: some of the way that he catches the ball, and

469
00:24:37,453 --> 00:24:39,333
Speaker 4: whether he's struggling to adapt to that, but he's been

470
00:24:39,333 --> 00:24:42,453
Speaker 4: off his game the last couple of Test matches for

471
00:24:42,853 --> 00:24:47,773
Speaker 4: the All Blacks midfield. You retain the starting midfield BROLLI

472
00:24:48,053 --> 00:24:51,573
Speaker 4: drums still juries out for there were. The crossfield kick

473
00:24:51,573 --> 00:24:53,613
Speaker 4: in the twenty two was bizarre. I'm not sure whether

474
00:24:53,613 --> 00:24:56,373
Speaker 4: Will Jordan called for that or not, but that was

475
00:24:56,413 --> 00:24:59,773
Speaker 4: a little odds. He was serviceable on Saturday night, but

476
00:24:59,813 --> 00:25:02,853
Speaker 4: again just I'm not sure whether he's the long term

477
00:25:02,853 --> 00:25:04,493
Speaker 4: answer at thirteen is yet for the All Blacks.

478
00:25:04,693 --> 00:25:08,013
Speaker 5: Hasn't convinced yet, but I don't think you pull that

479
00:25:08,093 --> 00:25:11,213
Speaker 5: leave for this game. I would be very tempted to

480
00:25:11,573 --> 00:25:14,933
Speaker 5: bring Lester Fining a Nooku in, but look, it'd be

481
00:25:14,973 --> 00:25:19,613
Speaker 5: harsh on Quinta Pye for me, Lisa's pushing for a

482
00:25:19,613 --> 00:25:23,613
Speaker 5: bench roll and I don't think he could drop Quinn

483
00:25:23,693 --> 00:25:25,973
Speaker 5: on the impact he had off the bench. So maybe

484
00:25:26,053 --> 00:25:32,773
Speaker 5: Lester has to sit idle for the Wallabies. Hard to

485
00:25:32,773 --> 00:25:34,773
Speaker 5: see too many other changes. The only other one is

486
00:25:34,813 --> 00:25:37,853
Speaker 5: Noah Hotham. Sounds like he is ahead of schedule. He

487
00:25:37,893 --> 00:25:41,853
Speaker 5: got through quite a bit of training in Auckland last week,

488
00:25:42,013 --> 00:25:43,933
Speaker 5: so does he come on to the bench.

489
00:25:44,613 --> 00:25:46,373
Speaker 4: I think he comes onto the bench if he's fits.

490
00:25:46,733 --> 00:25:50,093
Speaker 4: It didn't sound positive for Cortez Ratima. That may change

491
00:25:50,133 --> 00:25:51,933
Speaker 4: in the next couple of days. He was out training

492
00:25:52,013 --> 00:25:55,013
Speaker 4: last week, but certainly sounded like nah Hotham was more

493
00:25:55,133 --> 00:25:58,893
Speaker 4: likely than Ratama. I think you stick with Christy for

494
00:25:58,933 --> 00:26:02,053
Speaker 4: this week still what concerns about Christie's kicking, But I

495
00:26:02,053 --> 00:26:04,333
Speaker 4: think it'd be a lot to ask Kotham to come

496
00:26:04,373 --> 00:26:07,853
Speaker 4: in having not played a lot of rugby really since

497
00:26:08,813 --> 00:26:12,413
Speaker 4: well Super rugby. Apart from that twenty minute can be

498
00:26:12,453 --> 00:26:15,333
Speaker 4: off the bench against France and Hamilton to start against

499
00:26:15,333 --> 00:26:15,933
Speaker 4: the spring Box.

500
00:26:16,013 --> 00:26:18,773
Speaker 3: Christie did a serviceable job on Saturday night.

501
00:26:19,093 --> 00:26:21,213
Speaker 4: Don't think it's moved him into the top three rankings

502
00:26:21,213 --> 00:26:22,973
Speaker 4: of half backs in the country, but I would stick

503
00:26:22,973 --> 00:26:23,813
Speaker 4: with them for this weekend.

504
00:26:24,093 --> 00:26:25,613
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so too. And it's going to be

505
00:26:26,093 --> 00:26:30,653
Speaker 5: a similar scene in Wellington. I think rain likely, probably windy.

506
00:26:30,693 --> 00:26:33,013
Speaker 5: You can pretty much bank on that swirling one. There'll

507
00:26:33,013 --> 00:26:34,653
Speaker 5: be plenty of high ball kicks, so it's.

508
00:26:34,493 --> 00:26:35,573
Speaker 3: Just day ending and wife.

509
00:26:35,413 --> 00:26:39,493
Speaker 5: Well, Chris is going to be asked to replicate that

510
00:26:39,613 --> 00:26:43,373
Speaker 5: sort of performance, isn't it. The other point to note

511
00:26:43,453 --> 00:26:46,453
Speaker 5: is how good was Tupo VI going back into Locke

512
00:26:46,813 --> 00:26:50,493
Speaker 5: that he one hundred percent has to stay there that

513
00:26:50,573 --> 00:26:52,493
Speaker 5: you can pare his performance on the blind side to

514
00:26:52,533 --> 00:26:54,213
Speaker 5: lock the Poles apart.

515
00:26:54,253 --> 00:26:54,373
Speaker 1: Well.

516
00:26:54,413 --> 00:26:57,453
Speaker 4: I thought Scott Barrett was probably his best Test match

517
00:26:57,493 --> 00:26:59,533
Speaker 4: of the season as well, and it felt like maybe

518
00:26:59,573 --> 00:27:03,053
Speaker 4: just having two po Vi there helped. On Saturday night,

519
00:27:03,973 --> 00:27:05,693
Speaker 4: you know, Fabi in Holand I think he said a

520
00:27:05,733 --> 00:27:08,973
Speaker 4: really good introduction to test rugby. But that domination last

521
00:27:09,013 --> 00:27:10,693
Speaker 4: year of Barret and Viae was the All Blacks first

522
00:27:10,773 --> 00:27:13,133
Speaker 4: choice and I think they've now got back to that point.

523
00:27:14,733 --> 00:27:16,373
Speaker 4: I don't know what it means for Fabi and Holland,

524
00:27:16,413 --> 00:27:19,413
Speaker 4: I'm not sure that bench is his role necessarily and

525
00:27:19,573 --> 00:27:22,373
Speaker 4: a team we've seen what tweet be Lord you can do,

526
00:27:22,853 --> 00:27:24,893
Speaker 4: so there's a question mark there. But I wouldn't be

527
00:27:24,893 --> 00:27:26,613
Speaker 4: tampering with that for the weekend. And I thought Simon

528
00:27:26,693 --> 00:27:30,253
Speaker 4: Parker clearly showed that he may well be I'm not

529
00:27:30,253 --> 00:27:32,253
Speaker 4: calling it just yet, but may now be the answer

530
00:27:32,293 --> 00:27:33,533
Speaker 4: to the All Blacks at blindside.

531
00:27:33,693 --> 00:27:39,653
Speaker 5: Yeah, early doors second test, but what that is the

532
00:27:39,653 --> 00:27:42,733
Speaker 5: type of performance the All Blacks want from their blindside

533
00:27:43,013 --> 00:27:47,533
Speaker 5: just really combative and what it does do is gives

534
00:27:47,573 --> 00:27:51,173
Speaker 5: that loose trio the balance it needs yep, because you've

535
00:27:51,173 --> 00:27:53,573
Speaker 5: got Wallace to Tito, who's your ball carrier, who's got

536
00:27:53,613 --> 00:27:56,973
Speaker 5: great feet at the line. He brings those offloads Artie

537
00:27:56,973 --> 00:28:00,413
Speaker 5: severe allows him to potentially attack the breakdown. It just

538
00:28:00,453 --> 00:28:04,453
Speaker 5: frees those two guys up where Simon Parker's contesting defensive rucks,

539
00:28:04,453 --> 00:28:07,293
Speaker 5: he's knocking over defenders. He's making those hard ball carries,

540
00:28:07,893 --> 00:28:10,493
Speaker 5: doing that grunt work. That's what you want, and he

541
00:28:10,653 --> 00:28:13,253
Speaker 5: was His presence was evident at the line out as well.

542
00:28:13,293 --> 00:28:16,453
Speaker 5: He's a big man. So look, the All Blacks have

543
00:28:16,493 --> 00:28:19,813
Speaker 5: been keen on him, haven't they this year? And you're

544
00:28:19,853 --> 00:28:22,013
Speaker 5: starting to see why. And if you're going to put

545
00:28:22,013 --> 00:28:24,413
Speaker 5: a performance like that and against the spring box, that

546
00:28:24,573 --> 00:28:25,453
Speaker 5: is a real marker.

547
00:28:25,613 --> 00:28:28,053
Speaker 4: Indeed, right, we will take a break here on Rugby Direct.

548
00:28:28,053 --> 00:28:30,413
Speaker 4: Come back with the second half after this we have

549
00:28:30,453 --> 00:28:32,613
Speaker 4: the black Ferns to talk about saying we have a

550
00:28:32,613 --> 00:28:34,493
Speaker 4: shield changing hands, as well as a couple of other

551
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Speaker 4: rugby matters.

552
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553
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Speaker 4: Every try try ten sixty second, every tackle tackles, get

554
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557
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558
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Speaker 4: you and your business to a higher level. Let's talk

559
00:29:00,533 --> 00:29:03,253
Speaker 4: to Black Ferns and Ireland. Forty neil. I was quite

560
00:29:03,253 --> 00:29:06,253
Speaker 4: concerned about this game heading into it final game of

561
00:29:06,293 --> 00:29:10,973
Speaker 4: the pool stages. You lose this a very tricky quarter

562
00:29:11,013 --> 00:29:15,653
Speaker 4: final in prospect, not saying South Africa won't be next week,

563
00:29:15,733 --> 00:29:19,733
Speaker 4: but holy hecker, the Black Funds delivered forty nil against

564
00:29:19,733 --> 00:29:23,013
Speaker 4: the team they lost to last year, and two of

565
00:29:23,053 --> 00:29:26,533
Speaker 4: the players again that stood up weren't there last year.

566
00:29:27,053 --> 00:29:30,293
Speaker 4: Braxton signs and McGee scores a hat trick. Georgia Miller

567
00:29:30,413 --> 00:29:34,493
Speaker 4: again redefining what it means to be an open side

568
00:29:34,533 --> 00:29:38,853
Speaker 4: flanker in men's or women's rugby. I thought it was

569
00:29:39,133 --> 00:29:41,573
Speaker 4: a top shelf performance from the Black Ferns as they

570
00:29:41,653 --> 00:29:43,733
Speaker 4: head into the pointy end of this tournament.

571
00:29:43,973 --> 00:29:46,693
Speaker 5: It was they'll take a lot of confidence from that performance.

572
00:29:47,093 --> 00:29:51,493
Speaker 5: Island I think have a winning recent record against the

573
00:29:51,533 --> 00:29:55,973
Speaker 5: Black Ferns, which you speaks to the level of preparation

574
00:29:56,053 --> 00:29:57,973
Speaker 5: the Black Friends would have done going into that game,

575
00:29:58,013 --> 00:30:00,893
Speaker 5: the homework where they would have been at mentally, and

576
00:30:00,933 --> 00:30:04,693
Speaker 5: I think it showed Sylvia Brunt was superb again just

577
00:30:04,733 --> 00:30:08,013
Speaker 5: to direct powerful ball carrying really gets the Black Funds

578
00:30:08,053 --> 00:30:09,813
Speaker 5: on the front. And I think we saw from the

579
00:30:10,173 --> 00:30:15,213
Speaker 5: forward pack the level of commitments and physicality they're going

580
00:30:15,293 --> 00:30:17,293
Speaker 5: to need later in this tournament as well.

581
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Speaker 2: So a surprising result, wasn't it. Forty? And then the

582
00:30:21,173 --> 00:30:22,613
Speaker 2: nill is the impressive part.

583
00:30:22,453 --> 00:30:25,333
Speaker 4: And there was the impressive part as well, and they

584
00:30:25,333 --> 00:30:27,733
Speaker 4: didn't have it easy in the first spell. They had

585
00:30:27,733 --> 00:30:30,013
Speaker 4: to really work. I mean, Island had some great flashes

586
00:30:30,013 --> 00:30:34,013
Speaker 4: in the opening ten minutes also, and we're right in

587
00:30:34,013 --> 00:30:36,613
Speaker 4: the contest is I don't think it was as like

588
00:30:36,693 --> 00:30:39,293
Speaker 4: Ireland playing badly. It was the Black Ferns just delivering

589
00:30:39,373 --> 00:30:41,733
Speaker 4: a really top shelf performance. You look at some of

590
00:30:41,733 --> 00:30:44,693
Speaker 4: the stats and I was looking through them earlier territory

591
00:30:45,053 --> 00:30:47,773
Speaker 4: position forty nine to fifty one, that's, you know, bang

592
00:30:47,813 --> 00:30:52,453
Speaker 4: on even territory Island fifty five Black Ferns forty four

593
00:30:53,453 --> 00:30:56,373
Speaker 4: entries into the twenty two. Island had seven didn't score

594
00:30:56,373 --> 00:30:59,293
Speaker 4: obviously a single point. The Black Fans had twelve, so

595
00:30:59,413 --> 00:31:02,733
Speaker 4: it wasn't like they ran the ship for the entire game.

596
00:31:02,773 --> 00:31:04,053
Speaker 3: They'll put under pressure.

597
00:31:03,733 --> 00:31:05,853
Speaker 4: By Island and there was a lot to like from

598
00:31:05,893 --> 00:31:08,133
Speaker 4: that performance as they head into playing South Africa next

599
00:31:08,133 --> 00:31:09,133
Speaker 4: week in the quarters.

600
00:31:09,493 --> 00:31:13,973
Speaker 5: That's right, What about I guess the context of that tournaments.

601
00:31:14,973 --> 00:31:16,653
Speaker 5: Is anyone going to be able to stop England because

602
00:31:16,693 --> 00:31:19,493
Speaker 5: they put a fair score on Australia. Is at any

603
00:31:19,493 --> 00:31:21,133
Speaker 5: sort of gauge of where they're at?

604
00:31:21,253 --> 00:31:22,013
Speaker 3: Yeah?

605
00:31:22,133 --> 00:31:26,453
Speaker 4: I think the Black fans performance this morning solidified that.

606
00:31:26,533 --> 00:31:28,773
Speaker 4: I believe they can if they get England on the

607
00:31:28,853 --> 00:31:31,293
Speaker 4: right day, which would not be a good day for

608
00:31:31,333 --> 00:31:34,053
Speaker 4: England because I still think they're the heavy and hot

609
00:31:34,053 --> 00:31:36,693
Speaker 4: favorites for the tournament. But I can see a path

610
00:31:36,693 --> 00:31:39,493
Speaker 4: where the Black Fans might be able to win the tournament.

611
00:31:39,533 --> 00:31:44,613
Speaker 4: And I didn't see that earlier on the year, but

612
00:31:44,693 --> 00:31:46,653
Speaker 4: I can potentially see a path now to the Black

613
00:31:46,653 --> 00:31:48,533
Speaker 4: Fans winning the tournament. Not saying they're going to, but

614
00:31:48,573 --> 00:31:51,493
Speaker 4: I just think that Yep, England put on a score

615
00:31:51,573 --> 00:31:54,053
Speaker 4: over the course of the weekend and you know, looking

616
00:31:54,173 --> 00:31:58,213
Speaker 4: and really comfortable touch at home, but on a day

617
00:31:58,253 --> 00:32:00,293
Speaker 4: the Black Fans might be able to tip them up.

618
00:32:00,853 --> 00:32:03,813
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think so too, when you've got athletes and

619
00:32:04,773 --> 00:32:08,333
Speaker 5: a brand of rugby that England perhaps aren't used to either.

620
00:32:08,613 --> 00:32:09,813
Speaker 2: I think the Black friends are.

621
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Speaker 5: They're clearly getting better a tournament team and you get

622
00:32:13,973 --> 00:32:16,573
Speaker 5: to a one off knockout match as we saw Eden Park.

623
00:32:16,813 --> 00:32:21,373
Speaker 5: You know, anything, anything as possible, so you give you know,

624
00:32:21,573 --> 00:32:26,653
Speaker 5: Brextons on some McGhee, Alicia, letting these sort of athletes

625
00:32:27,653 --> 00:32:28,173
Speaker 5: a chance.

626
00:32:28,973 --> 00:32:30,693
Speaker 4: Yeah, they could knock them over on their day. What

627
00:32:30,733 --> 00:32:33,653
Speaker 4: do you make of the scheduling for the World Cup?

628
00:32:33,893 --> 00:32:39,013
Speaker 4: I think New Zealand's been dudded a little bit. Second

629
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Speaker 4: or third biggest rugby women's rugby market, not in terms

630
00:32:41,813 --> 00:32:46,053
Speaker 4: of population numbers, but in terms of where the game

631
00:32:46,133 --> 00:32:50,053
Speaker 4: sits in terms of interest levels. And I get why,

632
00:32:50,693 --> 00:32:54,573
Speaker 4: but it's been largely a UK friendly time zone. Now,

633
00:32:54,733 --> 00:32:56,813
Speaker 4: not asking for you because you know you think of

634
00:32:56,813 --> 00:32:58,493
Speaker 4: the All Blacks and the times that they play out North,

635
00:32:58,533 --> 00:33:02,533
Speaker 4: but you know that Island game this morning. How many

636
00:33:02,613 --> 00:33:05,413
Speaker 4: young school girls all boys for that matter, at one

637
00:33:05,493 --> 00:33:07,813
Speaker 4: forty five am on a Monday morning and getting up

638
00:33:07,813 --> 00:33:10,413
Speaker 4: and watching that. Yeah, there are replays, but you connect

639
00:33:10,453 --> 00:33:12,693
Speaker 4: to the game most when you see it live. And

640
00:33:13,333 --> 00:33:15,733
Speaker 4: if that was a Sunday morning at eight am New

641
00:33:15,813 --> 00:33:19,293
Speaker 4: Zealand Times seven, a New Zealand time, you would have

642
00:33:19,293 --> 00:33:22,333
Speaker 4: had a bigger audience. You would have helped grow the game,

643
00:33:22,333 --> 00:33:24,453
Speaker 4: which is what would Rugby adamant about. I think they've

644
00:33:24,533 --> 00:33:26,413
Speaker 4: kind of been sold up the reverend a little bit here.

645
00:33:26,853 --> 00:33:29,773
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think there's been any consideration whatsoever of that.

646
00:33:29,893 --> 00:33:33,773
Speaker 5: And the key point there is it doesn't make any

647
00:33:33,813 --> 00:33:36,933
Speaker 5: difference for islands. Yeah, you know with the tuning in

648
00:33:36,973 --> 00:33:40,453
Speaker 5: at seven at night or two in the afternoon. Yeah,

649
00:33:40,493 --> 00:33:44,173
Speaker 5: it might be a better spectacle. But you'd like to

650
00:33:44,213 --> 00:33:47,213
Speaker 5: think you take those things into consideration when you're doing

651
00:33:47,253 --> 00:33:48,733
Speaker 5: the scheduling, and clearly they haven't.

652
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Speaker 3: No, they haven't.

653
00:33:49,893 --> 00:33:53,453
Speaker 4: Topic number two smart Mouthguards. They came to the four

654
00:33:53,533 --> 00:33:57,173
Speaker 4: on Saturday night was at three Triggers of the smart Mouthguards.

655
00:33:57,733 --> 00:34:00,173
Speaker 4: We had Cody Taylor go off, will its a TD

656
00:34:00,253 --> 00:34:06,533
Speaker 4: and Jordie Barrett went off then came back on whereabouts

657
00:34:06,613 --> 00:34:08,253
Speaker 4: you sit on that? We obviously you know last week

658
00:34:08,413 --> 00:34:13,213
Speaker 4: the podcast touched on the very sad death of Shane Christy.

659
00:34:13,813 --> 00:34:19,093
Speaker 4: But for me, the smart smart Mouthguards almost seem like

660
00:34:20,413 --> 00:34:24,213
Speaker 4: for show. Are they actually if it's not been caught

661
00:34:24,213 --> 00:34:27,093
Speaker 4: by an independent doctor on the sidelines, are they actually helping?

662
00:34:28,453 --> 00:34:32,653
Speaker 5: I think there's clearly still teething issues. And look, it's

663
00:34:32,653 --> 00:34:36,173
Speaker 5: hard because you can't sit back and criticize Rugby for

664
00:34:36,213 --> 00:34:38,853
Speaker 5: not doing enough, and then criticize them for doing something

665
00:34:39,773 --> 00:34:42,973
Speaker 5: to try and prevent head knocks or protect players.

666
00:34:43,013 --> 00:34:45,253
Speaker 2: But put yourself in a player's shoes.

667
00:34:45,253 --> 00:34:47,533
Speaker 5: If you're Jordi Barrett and Wallace a teas, you get

668
00:34:47,613 --> 00:34:54,373
Speaker 5: dragged for ten minutes, you miss ten minutes of massive contest,

669
00:34:54,853 --> 00:34:57,253
Speaker 5: and then you get back in so it's very stop, start,

670
00:34:57,333 --> 00:35:01,173
Speaker 5: you get cold. You'd be incredibly frustrated, right, So I

671
00:35:01,173 --> 00:35:05,533
Speaker 5: think there's work to do around the threshold, around the accuracy,

672
00:35:06,453 --> 00:35:10,453
Speaker 5: because not just players but coach would be incredibly frustrated

673
00:35:10,493 --> 00:35:13,253
Speaker 5: to lose influential figures for a certain period of time.

674
00:35:13,813 --> 00:35:17,053
Speaker 5: It's quite chaotic, isn't it, Players coming on, coming off.

675
00:35:17,613 --> 00:35:21,573
Speaker 5: So I think there's real work to be done. I

676
00:35:21,573 --> 00:35:27,293
Speaker 5: don't know whether long term that's the way forward, because

677
00:35:27,293 --> 00:35:29,573
Speaker 5: in a contest like that, when you've got such big

678
00:35:29,653 --> 00:35:32,333
Speaker 5: humans coming together, there's always going to be massive collisions.

679
00:35:32,333 --> 00:35:34,973
Speaker 5: And that doesn't necessarily mean that there's been a head clash.

680
00:35:35,253 --> 00:35:41,213
Speaker 4: Yeah, to me, it seems like pseudo science isn't the

681
00:35:41,253 --> 00:35:43,773
Speaker 4: word necessarily, but it feels like something that's been implemented

682
00:35:43,813 --> 00:35:49,373
Speaker 4: perhaps before it's time to make people feel better and

683
00:35:49,453 --> 00:35:52,013
Speaker 4: to feel people feel like there's been progress made on

684
00:35:52,053 --> 00:35:54,253
Speaker 4: this matter. Head injuries is obviously something you've got to

685
00:35:54,253 --> 00:35:57,053
Speaker 4: take very very seriously, but there have been so many,

686
00:35:57,853 --> 00:36:00,773
Speaker 4: as you said, and excuse the punt teething issues that

687
00:36:00,853 --> 00:36:03,853
Speaker 4: I'm not sure that they are necessarily the answer, especially

688
00:36:03,853 --> 00:36:07,853
Speaker 4: at the top level, and especially when you've got professional

689
00:36:07,933 --> 00:36:11,773
Speaker 4: players using them compared to levels below that this is

690
00:36:11,773 --> 00:36:15,293
Speaker 4: the best of the best playing it, I just don't

691
00:36:15,293 --> 00:36:18,733
Speaker 4: know whether it's entirely suited to that. Watch the space

692
00:36:18,813 --> 00:36:22,413
Speaker 4: topic number three ran for the Shield, change his hands.

693
00:36:22,413 --> 00:36:27,493
Speaker 4: Anything you want to congratulate me on or adds to that.

694
00:36:28,773 --> 00:36:30,653
Speaker 4: Just demolishing Southland.

695
00:36:30,173 --> 00:36:32,773
Speaker 5: Pass me by. Actually you wouldn't believe it? Yeah, really,

696
00:36:32,893 --> 00:36:34,533
Speaker 5: yeah it didn't, didn't hear.

697
00:36:34,733 --> 00:36:36,733
Speaker 4: I've got I've got a full replay home you can

698
00:36:36,813 --> 00:36:39,853
Speaker 4: can cover around this afternoon or grab some popcorn and

699
00:36:39,933 --> 00:36:40,453
Speaker 4: relive it.

700
00:36:40,533 --> 00:36:42,413
Speaker 2: I'm quite busy actually right.

701
00:36:43,253 --> 00:36:44,693
Speaker 3: Just dominant formance from Canterbury.

702
00:36:45,013 --> 00:36:47,053
Speaker 4: You know, Southland had has had a couple of great

703
00:36:47,053 --> 00:36:49,053
Speaker 4: shield eras in the last fifteen or so years.

704
00:36:49,613 --> 00:36:51,253
Speaker 3: That will not be one of them.

705
00:36:51,613 --> 00:36:54,253
Speaker 4: But it's great to see the Shield on the move

706
00:36:54,413 --> 00:36:57,333
Speaker 4: and Tasman's got a challenge this weekend in christ Church.

707
00:36:58,533 --> 00:37:01,653
Speaker 4: They lost to Auckland obviously yesterday they have they have

708
00:37:01,733 --> 00:37:03,973
Speaker 4: been a bit hot and cold so far the season, tasm.

709
00:37:04,053 --> 00:37:06,653
Speaker 4: But again they will get up for the Shield Challenge

710
00:37:06,893 --> 00:37:09,613
Speaker 4: this weekend and it should be absolute doozy and crush Church.

711
00:37:10,093 --> 00:37:12,093
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is good to see the Shield on the move,

712
00:37:12,173 --> 00:37:18,493
Speaker 5: not necessarily to crush Church, but special massive special scenes

713
00:37:18,573 --> 00:37:22,333
Speaker 5: in the cargo, you know, bagpipes playing crowd at the airports.

714
00:37:23,013 --> 00:37:25,813
Speaker 5: So it is great to see the love affair with

715
00:37:25,813 --> 00:37:29,013
Speaker 5: with the logger Woods. I don't know are their parades

716
00:37:29,053 --> 00:37:32,013
Speaker 5: and crush Church it should be maybe you take it

717
00:37:32,013 --> 00:37:33,933
Speaker 5: for granted or what's happening.

718
00:37:33,773 --> 00:37:35,773
Speaker 4: But it's just hard when you win so much you

719
00:37:35,773 --> 00:37:38,613
Speaker 4: think of Super Rugby title obviously this year the Tactics

720
00:37:38,653 --> 00:37:42,493
Speaker 4: winning the a Z Premiership. You know, Chrussia City Council

721
00:37:42,533 --> 00:37:45,253
Speaker 4: has only got a finite amount of money to pay

722
00:37:45,613 --> 00:37:47,853
Speaker 4: for parades and it might have been blown out already.

723
00:37:47,933 --> 00:37:51,573
Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, yeah, Well Paul Cully tells me, I

724
00:37:51,613 --> 00:37:55,253
Speaker 5: think that otago of a challenge, so I'll just I'll

725
00:37:55,293 --> 00:38:03,373
Speaker 5: be adopting the otago. What's the nickname the Razorbacks.

726
00:38:03,573 --> 00:38:04,613
Speaker 3: Yes, I Canterbury defend it.

727
00:38:04,693 --> 00:38:10,733
Speaker 4: Then they defended against Otago the following weekend. Dougle Okay

728
00:38:10,893 --> 00:38:17,373
Speaker 4: topic number four Australia Argentina. This was a great game Argentina.

729
00:38:17,413 --> 00:38:20,173
Speaker 4: I mean almost the proverbial game of two harbs. Argentina

730
00:38:20,333 --> 00:38:22,813
Speaker 4: very very good in the first bell couldn't quite recapture that.

731
00:38:23,173 --> 00:38:26,213
Speaker 4: After halftime Australia tightened up a little bit. I felt

732
00:38:26,773 --> 00:38:29,373
Speaker 4: played a little bit more direct after the break, paid

733
00:38:29,413 --> 00:38:35,093
Speaker 4: dividends and grandstand finish. It was a great game of

734
00:38:35,173 --> 00:38:39,893
Speaker 4: rugby and you know, not much between it. Argentina could

735
00:38:39,893 --> 00:38:42,093
Speaker 4: have first sneaked the win, maybe even should have sneaked

736
00:38:42,133 --> 00:38:44,453
Speaker 4: the win on the afternoon man.

737
00:38:44,653 --> 00:38:45,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a game.

738
00:38:45,493 --> 00:38:48,573
Speaker 5: And I guess we're a critical of the blackfurre and

739
00:38:48,613 --> 00:38:53,533
Speaker 5: scheduling before, but this match speaks to afternoon forty does that?

740
00:38:53,613 --> 00:38:56,573
Speaker 5: And we talked about that game at Alice Park as well.

741
00:38:56,693 --> 00:39:01,093
Speaker 5: Played in sunshine. This was in Townsville, sunbeaming down and

742
00:39:02,173 --> 00:39:04,733
Speaker 5: the Pumas are a great team to watch. They scored

743
00:39:04,773 --> 00:39:12,613
Speaker 5: two brilliant tries offloading can phase pace that they have

744
00:39:12,693 --> 00:39:18,013
Speaker 5: some exceptional talents in that back line in particular, they

745
00:39:18,013 --> 00:39:20,093
Speaker 5: were all over the Wallabies in that first st half

746
00:39:20,133 --> 00:39:22,053
Speaker 5: and then didn't really fire a shot on the second,

747
00:39:22,093 --> 00:39:25,973
Speaker 5: gave away a string of penalties and you've just got

748
00:39:26,013 --> 00:39:28,413
Speaker 5: to stand and applaud the decision at the end from

749
00:39:28,413 --> 00:39:31,053
Speaker 5: Harry Wilson to put his balls on the line and

750
00:39:31,453 --> 00:39:33,293
Speaker 5: go for the corner, go for the win when they

751
00:39:33,333 --> 00:39:35,773
Speaker 5: could have easily just banked the draw, and to pull

752
00:39:35,853 --> 00:39:38,293
Speaker 5: that out of the bag. I think that really does

753
00:39:38,373 --> 00:39:42,373
Speaker 5: speak to the transformation of the Wallabies where they're at

754
00:39:42,453 --> 00:39:46,493
Speaker 5: with their self confidence, their belief to say no, we

755
00:39:46,533 --> 00:39:50,413
Speaker 5: don't want to draw, we want the win. And it's

756
00:39:50,453 --> 00:39:51,973
Speaker 5: great for the Rape Championship as well.

757
00:39:52,133 --> 00:39:55,053
Speaker 4: It is it is on a knife edge and Australia

758
00:39:55,613 --> 00:39:57,213
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks out from the Blitter's Low Cup

759
00:39:57,213 --> 00:39:59,653
Speaker 4: obviously still got a argenty to plague in this weekend,

760
00:39:59,693 --> 00:40:02,133
Speaker 4: but they'll get to even Park in a couple of weeks.

761
00:40:02,533 --> 00:40:05,453
Speaker 4: Being confident that you know they win. That gives them

762
00:40:05,493 --> 00:40:07,293
Speaker 4: a chance as they head to Perth of winning the

763
00:40:07,293 --> 00:40:09,533
Speaker 4: Blitter's like Up for the first and twenty plus years.

764
00:40:09,653 --> 00:40:14,253
Speaker 5: That's right, and Joseph Sui Lee's best test performance. He

765
00:40:14,333 --> 00:40:16,973
Speaker 5: was great at Twickenham, I think on de Boos when

766
00:40:16,973 --> 00:40:19,853
Speaker 5: he started there, but he scored two tries, his combination

767
00:40:19,973 --> 00:40:24,213
Speaker 5: with Lenny Ektau really coming along Max Jorgensen.

768
00:40:24,413 --> 00:40:25,173
Speaker 2: What of talents?

769
00:40:25,893 --> 00:40:28,693
Speaker 5: The Wallabies have lost a lot of players and they

770
00:40:28,733 --> 00:40:32,333
Speaker 5: don't have great depth, No, Tom writs Tom Liner started

771
00:40:32,333 --> 00:40:32,733
Speaker 5: that game.

772
00:40:33,093 --> 00:40:34,853
Speaker 2: They made the change of James O'Connor.

773
00:40:35,773 --> 00:40:39,893
Speaker 5: But yeah, Joe Smith is doing a fantastic job and

774
00:40:40,173 --> 00:40:42,253
Speaker 5: there was a lot of hype, wasn't there around Eden Park?

775
00:40:42,333 --> 00:40:45,613
Speaker 5: And the record wouldn't it be something if the Wallabies

776
00:40:45,613 --> 00:40:46,413
Speaker 5: were the ones in there?

777
00:40:46,413 --> 00:40:46,693
Speaker 2: Streak?

778
00:40:46,813 --> 00:40:50,453
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely could well happen in a couple of weeks time.

779
00:40:51,173 --> 00:40:56,653
Speaker 5: Just before we go, You're bug bear. The TMO barely

780
00:40:56,693 --> 00:41:02,133
Speaker 5: saw them on Saturday Night, which was added to the

781
00:41:02,173 --> 00:41:05,813
Speaker 5: spectacle all the occasion of the match. So I just

782
00:41:05,813 --> 00:41:08,213
Speaker 5: want to give a shout out there. What about Carl Dixon.

783
00:41:09,173 --> 00:41:11,693
Speaker 5: There's been a fair bit of consternation from South African

784
00:41:11,773 --> 00:41:13,853
Speaker 5: quarters around his performance.

785
00:41:14,573 --> 00:41:15,533
Speaker 2: What was your feeling.

786
00:41:16,013 --> 00:41:19,213
Speaker 4: I've been critical of Carl Dixon previously on the podcast.

787
00:41:20,133 --> 00:41:23,693
Speaker 4: I don't think he's previously had great feels and that's

788
00:41:23,733 --> 00:41:26,453
Speaker 4: such an intangible thing, but great fields for Test matches

789
00:41:26,933 --> 00:41:30,093
Speaker 4: technical refrae. Yeah, I thought Saturday Night was probably his

790
00:41:30,173 --> 00:41:31,973
Speaker 4: best Test match from what I saw yet he's always

791
00:41:32,013 --> 00:41:34,173
Speaker 4: going to miss a couple of things. Any referee will

792
00:41:34,173 --> 00:41:37,333
Speaker 4: miss a couple of things. But I thought that was

793
00:41:37,413 --> 00:41:40,053
Speaker 4: his best test match just from keeping the game flowing,

794
00:41:42,613 --> 00:41:46,213
Speaker 4: was confident in his own decisions. In the commentary for

795
00:41:46,493 --> 00:41:49,533
Speaker 4: News Talk ZB and gold Sport, I had Bret cronin

796
00:41:49,733 --> 00:41:52,453
Speaker 4: in my ear the entire time and he was offering

797
00:41:52,853 --> 00:41:56,173
Speaker 4: some advice to Dixon around placement on the field of

798
00:41:56,173 --> 00:41:59,533
Speaker 4: penalties and scrums and various things, and he was sweeping through.

799
00:42:00,653 --> 00:42:03,853
Speaker 4: But he didn't interject himself overly into the game. And

800
00:42:03,893 --> 00:42:06,253
Speaker 4: I think that's what we wanted. And we're not sitting well,

801
00:42:06,333 --> 00:42:08,093
Speaker 4: maybe South African fans are, but we're not sitting here

802
00:42:08,093 --> 00:42:12,293
Speaker 4: on a talking about the referee and his influence on

803
00:42:12,333 --> 00:42:15,173
Speaker 4: a performance. I thought that was in a big test

804
00:42:15,213 --> 00:42:17,253
Speaker 4: match with a lot of scrutiny on it, that was

805
00:42:17,333 --> 00:42:19,213
Speaker 4: about as good as you could hope for from a

806
00:42:19,333 --> 00:42:20,133
Speaker 4: from a referee.

807
00:42:20,853 --> 00:42:23,133
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think the biggest compliment you can give a

808
00:42:23,173 --> 00:42:27,413
Speaker 5: referee is that you don't overly notice them, right. They

809
00:42:27,533 --> 00:42:31,133
Speaker 5: let the players take control of a contest. That's what

810
00:42:31,173 --> 00:42:32,893
Speaker 5: you want and the same for it from a TMO.

811
00:42:33,013 --> 00:42:42,453
Speaker 5: You don't want constant stoppages and reviews and unnecessary obtrusive officiating.

812
00:42:42,613 --> 00:42:45,333
Speaker 5: So yeah, I thought they got the balance right.

813
00:42:45,533 --> 00:42:45,893
Speaker 3: They did.

814
00:42:46,853 --> 00:42:49,853
Speaker 4: Nika Amishakelli from Georgia is the referee this weekend. Who's

815
00:42:50,533 --> 00:42:54,053
Speaker 4: not one of my favorites either. So Carl Dixon heard

816
00:42:54,133 --> 00:42:57,413
Speaker 4: Rugby Direct last week maybe and rose to the occasion.

817
00:42:58,093 --> 00:43:01,093
Speaker 3: Nieka, it's on you this weekend Saturday night.

818
00:43:01,773 --> 00:43:06,133
Speaker 5: Great food in Georgia, but referees, I think it's been

819
00:43:06,173 --> 00:43:08,973
Speaker 5: elevated way too a lotter than he was.

820
00:43:09,893 --> 00:43:13,533
Speaker 4: We'll see. We'll judge that next week. Rugby directs done

821
00:43:13,573 --> 00:43:15,733
Speaker 4: and dusted. We might pop back in like we did

822
00:43:15,773 --> 00:43:19,133
Speaker 4: last week for a we midweek chicken, but later on

823
00:43:19,173 --> 00:43:21,533
Speaker 4: in the week once your black side is out to say,

824
00:43:21,533 --> 00:43:23,413
Speaker 4: you can catch up with Russy Arrasthmas is the spring

825
00:43:23,413 --> 00:43:26,293
Speaker 4: Box team on the New Zealand Herald website and across

826
00:43:26,333 --> 00:43:28,813
Speaker 4: News Talk ZB and Gold Sport. Once that is named

827
00:43:28,813 --> 00:43:32,293
Speaker 4: at seven pm on Monday. Fascinating to see what he

828
00:43:32,333 --> 00:43:34,653
Speaker 4: goes with six two seven one eight zero.

829
00:43:34,693 --> 00:43:35,853
Speaker 3: What are you going? He goes with five to.

830
00:43:35,813 --> 00:43:38,773
Speaker 5: Three, seven to one. The Springboks have never lost with

831
00:43:38,813 --> 00:43:41,053
Speaker 5: a seven to one bench. There we go against the

832
00:43:41,093 --> 00:43:43,733
Speaker 5: All Blacks I'm going six too. Okay, if anyone's got

833
00:43:43,773 --> 00:43:49,133
Speaker 5: any Brie or Bulltong recommendations and Wellington, it's only fitting,

834
00:43:49,693 --> 00:43:50,253
Speaker 5: let us know.

835
00:43:50,813 --> 00:43:53,213
Speaker 3: It is it is fitting. Yep, we'll absolutely do that.

836
00:43:53,653 --> 00:43:56,573
Speaker 5: Jamiel Wall was munching on bulltong right throughout that manute.

837
00:43:56,933 --> 00:44:02,613
Speaker 4: You can't go wrong with Billtong. Delicious, delicious, wee morsels

838
00:44:02,653 --> 00:44:03,093
Speaker 4: of food.

839
00:44:03,573 --> 00:44:04,893
Speaker 3: Yeah right, that'll do us.

840
00:44:04,973 --> 00:44:07,693
Speaker 4: Rugby Direct Power by Excess Solutions elevating you and your

841
00:44:07,733 --> 00:44:09,253
Speaker 4: business to a hig Lee. Well thanks to last In

842
00:44:09,333 --> 00:44:11,853
Speaker 4: Viaz English as well for his production work. We'll see you.

843
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Speaker 3: Later in the week.

844
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845
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