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Speaker 1: Jamie mckaye, Host of the Countries with Us Jamie, welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Good to be back. Heather.

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Speaker 1: Where have you been?

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Speaker 2: I was up in Towonga for the break between Easter

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Speaker 2: and Anzac the long the short week. Should I say,

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Speaker 2: a new grandchild, the first time i'd met her? Oh?

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Speaker 1: How old, Jamie?

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Speaker 2: Well, I they're too embarrassed to tell you my wife

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Speaker 2: on humorous visits.

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Speaker 1: Hey, not your age? How old?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: How old is?

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Speaker 2: She?

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Speaker 1: Is like a scandal that you haven't been to see her?

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Speaker 2: You bough, it's a family scandal. But let's just move

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Speaker 2: on to things. I'm more comfortable and no, it's not

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Speaker 2: a scandal at all. I've just been busy. So she's

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Speaker 2: four months old.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, that's okay. I think that's okay. And they're

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Speaker 1: cute at four months, aren't they? They just gorgeous.

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Speaker 2: Well but before that, Heather as well, you'll know with

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Speaker 2: ween MacKaye. Honestly, and I'll get in trouble for saying this,

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Speaker 2: but I've started the snow stopping now in the early

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Speaker 2: days and months, they just poo themselves and react with you.

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Speaker 2: They're boring. Yeah, they are boring. Be honest about it.

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Speaker 2: Not politically correct, but that's true. When they can react

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Speaker 2: with you and laugh, or you can make them laugh,

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Speaker 2: that's when they get interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, four months, four months they're doing the little giggle

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Speaker 1: at you and stuff. So no, I think your toming

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Speaker 1: is bang on. I don't blame it all. Plus you

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Speaker 1: get a little bit more concession as a man, so

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Speaker 1: you know, just own it. Now, what is going on

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Speaker 1: here with Fontira deciding it's going to close its planning

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Speaker 1: and pack it's canning and packaging facility.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess Fontira is ultimately answerable to its ten

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Speaker 2: thousand farmers, shareholders and supplies and this is just a continuation.

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Speaker 2: This is my take on it anyhow, on their decision

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Speaker 2: to ditch the consumer brands for the ingredients business. So

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Speaker 2: it's sad, really, it's sad. In these tough economic times.

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Speaker 2: Have seen the bad news from Nikola Willis this morning. Well,

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Speaker 2: here's another one hundred and twenty jobs on the chopping block.

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Speaker 2: I know they're going to go through the consultation process,

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Speaker 2: but we all know how that ends. So they're going

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Speaker 2: to lose their jobs in Hamilton. They currently or the

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Speaker 2: site currently packs up to four thousand metric tons of

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Speaker 2: powder per year. And while that sounds a lot, Heather,

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Speaker 2: it's not really. It's less than one percent of the

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Speaker 2: co ops total product volume. So what they're saying is

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Speaker 2: they're going to get out of these blends and packaged

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Speaker 2: milk powders doing it, and they're going to focus on

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Speaker 2: the higher value ingredients such as the advanced proteins, you know,

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Speaker 2: the sports stuff and the medical nutrition. And that's the

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Speaker 2: way it is heading, and they believe this is the

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Speaker 2: best way to focus on farmer returns because I guess

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, with Fonterra, it is

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Speaker 2: a co op and unless the farmers get a meaningful return,

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Speaker 2: they might take their business elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: Jamie listen, I am glad that you've raised this with

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Speaker 1: me as something you want to talk about, because I

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Speaker 1: meant to talk about this earlier in the week. But

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Speaker 1: Thomas Cogland did a great piece, didn't he about the

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Speaker 1: climate debate within the National Party and how much trouble

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Speaker 1: Simon Wat's got himself into.

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Speaker 2: Well, it was a rare treat for me, Heather, as

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Speaker 2: someone who's based in Dunedin to physically grab a weekend Herald.

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Speaker 2: I always read it online, but to physically grab a

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Speaker 2: weekend Herald and read this. I thought he did a

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Speaker 2: fantastic job. The story was inside the climate debate that

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Speaker 2: quietly rocked the National Party. It's all about Simon Watson,

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Speaker 2: these new emissions targets, and he's stuck. This is Simon

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Speaker 2: Watts really between a rock and a hard place, because

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Speaker 2: the right think he's gone he's been excessively ambitious. In reality,

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Speaker 2: he hardly increased it at all. But the original argument

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Speaker 2: is the fifty percent reduction by twenty thirty was never

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Speaker 2: realistic and those on the left suggested New Zealand would

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Speaker 2: be doing next to nothing to reduce its admissions between

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Speaker 2: twenty thirty and thirty five, which is probably true. And

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Speaker 2: you know, you've got all these factions at play, as

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Speaker 2: he pointed out, there's the National Party who perhaps are

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Speaker 2: a bit more socially enlightened than act in New Zealand. First,

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Speaker 2: is that a nice way of saying, You've said it,

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Speaker 2: they're perhaps a little bit more woke than National and

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Speaker 2: New Zealand first, I don't know. But you've got Winston

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Speaker 2: who's coming out and he's saying we're going to get

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Speaker 2: out of We're pulling out of Paris, and David Seymour

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Speaker 2: made a really interesting comment on this. He said, look,

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Speaker 2: eventually the cost of staying in Paris could eventually outweigh

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Speaker 2: the penalty for leaving, so he's thinking that way as well.

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Speaker 2: And you've got to remember the other dynamic play here.

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Speaker 2: Final shot from me here that this is New Zealand

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Speaker 2: First and Act who are both actively campaigning for the

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Speaker 2: farmer vote from national and certainly anecdotally I would say

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Speaker 2: they're being reasonably successful at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Jamie. Thank you, Jamie McKay, host of the Country.

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