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Speaker 1: Now internationally, they're on the streets of Israel, as we've

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Speaker 1: told you this morning. After the bodies of those six

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Speaker 1: hostages were recovered at the weekend. Of course, Netanyahu and

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Speaker 1: his government accused him not doing enough to reach a deal.

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Speaker 1: The strikes are gaining real momentum. Political analyst Or Goldberg

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Speaker 1: as well as from Tel.

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Speaker 2: Aviv morning, Good morning to you Mane.

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Speaker 1: Given this has been going on for a while and

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Speaker 1: I've just been watching netan Yahoo defend himself once again.

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Speaker 1: Has the pressure or does the pressure this time round

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Speaker 1: feel different on him?

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Speaker 2: It does. It seems to be more intense, and it

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Speaker 2: seems to be less sectorial. There seems to be a

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Speaker 2: real popular outrage against the government because now Israelis feel

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Speaker 2: that the government's incompetence is risking their lives.

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Speaker 1: When he asks for forgiveness, as he did just a

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Speaker 1: couple of hours ago, does he get it or not?

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Speaker 2: Oh, he really doesn't. I think he's held responsible. He

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Speaker 2: has diehard supporters, think of the MAGA base in the

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Speaker 2: United States, for whom he can do no wrong. But

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Speaker 2: the country does not like him. They may support his policies,

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Speaker 2: they may not see an alternative to his war but

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Speaker 2: they definitely consider him to be incompetent and riddled with

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Speaker 2: corruption and personal interests.

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Speaker 1: And the general argument that he's keeping this going for

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Speaker 1: political purposes is that the view generally of people in Israel.

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Speaker 2: Do you think, well, I don't know if people really

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Speaker 2: think he's doing it for political or that means personal reasons,

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Speaker 2: but they definitely don't trust his judgment. They do, however,

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Speaker 2: understand what he's doing in the sense that no other

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Speaker 2: politician has offered an alternative to his war. So a

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Speaker 2: lot of them are saying, well, you know, if he's

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Speaker 2: the one who started this war, and he's the one

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Speaker 2: who's led it, no one else appears to be offering

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Speaker 2: any kind of different vision, Let's at least vote for

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Speaker 2: the source rather than pick some pale imitation.

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Speaker 1: Has the mood chin in Israel? I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: cut a deal to what extent, yes, you get to

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Speaker 1: some hostages home, But if you solved the Hamass problem, Now,

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Speaker 1: which was the original intent of the war, wasn't it?

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Speaker 2: It was? But one thing became abundantly clear when the

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Speaker 2: six hostages were discovered, and that is I mean, we

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Speaker 2: thought for a very long time that the two goals

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Speaker 2: of the war as defined by the government, destroy comas

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Speaker 2: and return the hostages were commensurate and maybe even complimentary.

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Speaker 2: That link has snapped. Israelis now understand that there's an

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Speaker 2: innate contradiction between returning the hostages and quote unquote destroying Ramas.

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Speaker 2: More and more people also understand that destroying Comas is

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Speaker 2: an unachievable goal, the price of which will rend Israel

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Speaker 2: a pariah pretty much forever. So the emotional attachment to

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Speaker 2: this war is waning, even though no other political solution

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Speaker 2: has been suggested by other politicians. So most Israeli support

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Speaker 2: this war. But ask them and they will tell you

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Speaker 2: they're doing so reluctantly, if only because nobody has given

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Speaker 2: them any kind of other hope.

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Speaker 1: All right, I appreciate time. Rick Goldberg out of tele

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Speaker 1: Aviv this Morning's a guy called Elon Levy, who you

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Speaker 1: may remember his name. He was a government spokesperson for Israel.

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Speaker 1: He got a little bit cantankerous and they sacked him.

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Speaker 1: He's in Australia at the moment. He's accusing Australia of

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Speaker 1: losing the initial moral clarity that it initially showed. But

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Speaker 1: his main point is that it's ntnya who's fear of

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Speaker 1: losing power That explains why he's behaving the way he

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