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Speaker 1: Elison Moye is back. It all began a long time ago,

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Speaker 1: of course, with Yazoo instant fame. A year later it

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Speaker 1: all blew up. She went solo. Then it really took

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Speaker 1: off and here we are twenty three million albums later,

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Speaker 1: on a long gap between drinks with a new piece

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Speaker 1: of work and the tour which includes some stops. Here

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Speaker 1: all the details shortly, but firstly from Brighton in the UK.

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Speaker 1: Ellison Moye, good morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Good morning to you.

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Speaker 1: I was looking at your Radio two piano room. Does

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Speaker 1: the name Neil Finn mean anything to you, crowded house

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Speaker 1: split ends.

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Speaker 3: Yes, certainly, it certainly is a name. I don't know him,

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Speaker 3: but absolutely his name.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he was in the Radio two piano room a

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Speaker 1: couple of months ago when we talked to him on

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Speaker 1: the program and he said he was nervous as all

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Speaker 1: heck because it's done live. Was yours live?

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Speaker 2: No, it wasn't live.

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Speaker 3: It was a pre record, you know, So you know

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Speaker 3: it's a live recording in terms of the fact that

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Speaker 3: it's done there with the orchestra, and there's nothing there's

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Speaker 3: no Jiggree Pocria gas on, there's no editing, so it's

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Speaker 3: a live take, but it was a pre record.

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Speaker 1: Are you happy with it? It was beautiful?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 3: And I think the very fact that it doesn't go

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Speaker 3: out live at that minute it kind of really helps

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Speaker 3: me because otherwise, when it's live live, I just spend

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Speaker 3: the whole time thinking I'm going to forget the words,

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Speaker 3: going to forget the words, you know, and it just

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Speaker 3: really it's really stressful. So knowing the fact that if

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Speaker 3: you do mess up, you can go again is good.

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Speaker 3: And as it was, we didn't mess up, so so

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Speaker 3: you know, I was laughing.

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Speaker 1: Talk to me about your voice. It's got some magnificence.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the whole thing here is there's been a

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Speaker 1: gap between you know, records and tours and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: But so it's been a while since I listened to you.

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Speaker 1: There's something's happened to your voice. There's a gravitas, a weight,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, an age to it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so there.

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Speaker 3: I just think there's a kind of a great and

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Speaker 3: it as an expressive instrument. You know, and that you know,

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Speaker 3: it's less of a physical change and more of an

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Speaker 3: emotional change, just a greater understanding. You know. It's like

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Speaker 3: when you're young, you think it's all about you think

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Speaker 3: and as you get older you understand there's so much

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Speaker 3: more nuanced to emotion than that. Sometimes it can be

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Speaker 3: a you know, sometimes it can be a really dead

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Speaker 1: So take me through this process a gap between drinks,

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Speaker 1: as they say, So we have some new music, will

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Speaker 1: how emotionally do you deal with it?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm someone that really responds to the day.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I hyper focus, but my hyper focus can

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Speaker 3: Right before I started a recording this album, for example,

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Speaker 3: felt high time I wanted to re engage with music.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm fully aware of.

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Speaker 3: My age and the fact that that can stop at

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Speaker 1: I've got the impression correct me if I'm wrong over

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Speaker 2: No, I think that's absolutely fair. You know.

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Speaker 3: It's like I'm quite a cheap day. You know, it's

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Speaker 3: like I've never aspired to own lots of things, and

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Speaker 3: I'm comfortable, but that's because I am then in a

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Speaker 2: You know. That's like you say, that's the price you pay.

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Speaker 3: And that's not to disrespect anybody that's supported me, because

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Speaker 2: Grateful for that.

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Speaker 3: But I really do enjoy just being a part of

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Speaker 2: You know. I like living a regular life.

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Speaker 3: And it's and it's always a bit weird when someone

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Speaker 1: But that's the ideal, isn't it. Because there are so

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I think they struggle.

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Speaker 3: there's always been a you know, there's always been quite

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Speaker 3: So they're always thinking, you know, it's just I just

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Speaker 3: that suits a larger audience, and sometimes it doesn't garner

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Speaker 3: to me. It's not what I'm searching after. So I

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Speaker 2: What I am.

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Speaker 3: You know that then you carry on working and you

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Speaker 3: whether you've got people watching you or not. So you know,

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Speaker 3: a career is a series of sine waves.

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Speaker 2: You know you're going to go up.

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Speaker 3: People are going to notice, You're going to get a tension,

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Speaker 3: You know, that's just about the zeitgeist. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I think that's fair enough because you know, you can't

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's about your reason.

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Speaker 3: Why you're doing and if you're doing it to be

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's true. Now listen, any trepidation about stepping out.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's always there's always trepidation.

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Speaker 3: I think for me, the trepidation is based on the

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Speaker 3: fact that, you know, I have been working for forty years.

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Speaker 3: And obviously there are some people that are only going

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Speaker 3: So there is always that anxiety that sometimes people are

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Speaker 3: They in some ways, they can expect someone that's been

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Speaker 3: of those home alone moments where you scream at.

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Speaker 3: But then at the same time, I know I've also

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Speaker 3: I'm with granny, I'm all these kind of things. You know,

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Speaker 2: And I love the country.

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Speaker 1: That's brilliant. It's a retrospective. The Albument's off some new

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Speaker 3: Well, it's it's it's kind of a funny thing because

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Speaker 3: Alison Moye that has that was it's it's this is

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Speaker 3: quite schismatic. They're kind of the changes in style and

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Speaker 3: And so the whole purpose of choosing these songs, you know,

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Speaker 3: they are key songs, but they're by no means all

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Speaker 3: of the most important songs. For example, my last two

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Speaker 3: You know that they're recent enough to stand as they are.

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Speaker 3: But the point is is to pull in that whole

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Speaker 1: How did the study go, by the way, did you graduate?

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Speaker 1: Did you pass?

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Speaker 2: Yes? I did, I got a first.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic and you're going to do anything with her or

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Speaker 1: it was just an intellectual exercise.

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Speaker 2: No, no what it was it was.

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Speaker 3: I did a degree in fineite printmaking, and that's kind

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Speaker 3: remember saying to my dad, who's a Frenchman, so he

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Speaker 3: And I said to him, you know, I really wanted

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Speaker 2: He say, no, not ghost, no shop. You know.

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Speaker 3: So it was like one of those things that I

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Speaker 3: was kind of forbidden to go into it. So, you know,

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Speaker 3: I've always been a little bit you know, persistent, and

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Speaker 3: So when lockdown happened, and I say, I had a

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Speaker 3: I thought I'd go for it and then kind of hope.

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Speaker 3: I focused into it and yes, and so consequently I

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Speaker 1: Then fantastic, Well it is my next year. We look

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Speaker 1: forward to welcoming you back to New Zealand. Lovely to

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Speaker 1: catch up and talk with you, and I appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: Very very much, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Key is the album and She's here on Auckland, Wellington.

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Speaker 1: Christ j it'e May twenty one, twenty four, twenty sixth.

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