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Speaker 1: Setting the news agenda and digging into the issues the

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Speaker 2: He'd been Molli, you're welcome some money talk for the

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Speaker 2: banks this morning, now that Adrians come to the party,

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Speaker 2: are better days ahead? Are we going to go to Tampa?

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Speaker 2: Of course form where the Czech transpower has got a

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Speaker 2: deal for Northland after the pylon fell. Had Malcolm Gladwell

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Speaker 2: whose life changed forever when he write the tipping point

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Speaker 2: he is and for a word after write Joe McKenna's

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Speaker 2: and Italy and God lines up all the good stuff

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Speaker 2: in Britain as well. Hoscar, we go for Thursday seven

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Speaker 2: past six. We will deal with the wokeness of the

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Speaker 2: universities later on the program. But to good news for

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Speaker 2: sport for you this morning, as the government has instructed

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Speaker 2: Sport in New Zealand to change their guidelines around the

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Speaker 2: participation in the trans area. Fairness and safety are what

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Speaker 2: the government is after, not diversity, inclusion and equity, which

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Speaker 2: is currently what guides them. It's part of the coalition

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Speaker 2: agreement driven by New Zealand First, but also comes as

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Speaker 2: a result of fifty Olympians who put their names to

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Speaker 2: a plea that suggested the Labour Party view of sport

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Speaker 2: disrespect to the principles of fairness and safety. And I

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Speaker 2: admire those athletes because in this day and age is

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Speaker 2: sad as it is to say, speaking your mind freely

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Speaker 2: is not a pastime easily enjoyed in this country or

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Speaker 2: as common as it should be. The most egregious part

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Speaker 2: of the current rules are self identification of gender. In

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Speaker 2: other words, you decide you're a woman despite the fact

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Speaker 2: biologically you are not, and then that is all that's

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Speaker 2: required at community level. I mean, think about it. Let's

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Speaker 2: be honest. Someone twice the size or strength rocks up.

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Speaker 2: What sort of message in outworking is that sending? What

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Speaker 2: are you supposed to do with that as a coach

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Speaker 2: or administrator or a club captain. Like a lot of

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Speaker 2: what the last government did, it was all whiteboard, psycho babble,

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Speaker 2: all driven by fields. By the time you got to

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Speaker 2: And that's before you get to the elite end of matters.

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Speaker 2: Whether this area is being fiddled with sport by a

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Speaker 2: sport country by country administration by administration in a very messy,

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Speaker 2: very ad hoc way that does know in any favors.

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Speaker 2: This instruction to sport in New Zealand falls under the

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Speaker 2: title of what you would loosely call common sense, and

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Speaker 2: being common sense, it's not unfair to suggest it never

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Speaker 2: should have got as out of hand as it has.

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Speaker 2: Chris Bishop, the Minister, calls it a genuinely tricky area,

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Speaker 2: and he's right, but he's also being polite because it

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Speaker 2: didn't and doesn't have to be as tricky as they've

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Speaker 2: made it. Just making up your gender and then enrolling

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Speaker 2: in the sport with nothing more to it than that

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Speaker 2: not fair, and it should never have got to where

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Speaker 1: News of the world in ninety seconds.

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Speaker 2: Well Milton's Late Florida is being hit by the outer

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Speaker 2: reaches as we speak. But if you haven't left, they

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Speaker 2: haven't given up convincing you to do so.

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Speaker 3: We have a storm surge warning in effect for almost

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Speaker 3: the entire west coast of Florida from me A Yankee

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Speaker 3: town all the way to Flamingo. If you were in

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Speaker 3: those storm surge evacuation zones in that region. Please escape

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Speaker 3: now while you still can. Now, let's move on to

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Speaker 3: the wind threat.

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Speaker 2: In Tampa at the hospital, a bit worried about the sooge.

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Speaker 4: In the event that we saw higher water that would

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Speaker 3: We've strategically placed large pumps behind the fence that we

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Speaker 5: We don't think that's going to happen.

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Speaker 2: We hope not. We'll go to Florida shortly. Meantime, in Britain,

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Speaker 2: the penultimate round of the bike to find a Rishi replacement.

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Speaker 2: We've got a boil over.

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Speaker 6: Jimmy Badenoch forty two votes, James Cleverly thirty seven votes,

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Speaker 2: Others blike bags generic, but was genuinely surprised.

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Speaker 7: It's genuinely a good idea not to get too clever

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Speaker 7: for your own good and get into all these complex

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Speaker 2: It to win this house to cards business, This blike

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Speaker 8: As we look at the difficult rodback for us, the

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Speaker 8: and the need to reformulate some of our policies that

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Speaker 8: Kemy is the candidate in my view that can take

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Speaker 2: Course, to Kimmy Bednock. We'll talk to Rod later, but

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Speaker 2: we can't forget the Middle East where the bombing is

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Speaker 2: relentless and by route because the locals and on hiding

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Speaker 9: This Balla spent decades building up the stock bales of weapons,

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Speaker 9: including advanced precision gated missiles supplayed by Iran and deliberately

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Speaker 2: Finally got an eighteen year old from the Paul got

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Speaker 2: himself a new record this morning who has become the

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Speaker 2: youngest to climb the world's fourteen highest mountains. Nima Sherper

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Speaker 2: is his name. He's become just one of a few

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Speaker 2: climber who held the record at thirty years old. But

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Speaker 2: then again, when you're thirty you don't climb as well

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Speaker 2: as you do when you're eighteen, So I would have

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Speaker 2: now gone. So those final two Generic and Badknock, and

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Speaker 2: So Bad Knock and Generic go to the party membership,

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Speaker 2: of which there are many thousands. They have to think

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Speaker 2: about it, have a vote and we will know the outcome.

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Speaker 2: By November two, twelve past six.

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Speaker 2: In My never ending Fascination with Democracy, they've been voting,

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Speaker 2: as I told you about a week and a half ago,

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Speaker 2: a win bit of landslide. Meantime, in Huyana they got

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Speaker 2: so not only Congress to wind bit of landslide. Turns

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Speaker 2: out Mody's party of the BJP completely wrong. They're going

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Speaker 2: to get a third, an unprecedented third consecutive to fifteen

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Speaker 2: past six. Those poles, you can't trust the poles, right, oh,

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Speaker 2: fifteen past six, j My Wealth, Andrew.

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Speaker 10: Keller Haw, good morning, very good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Fifty it was.

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Speaker 10: Fifty, It was yep. We got the jumbo cut, didn't we.

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Speaker 6: Fifty basis points taken the Oceada four point seventy five,

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Speaker 6: completely in line with market expectations. Just on that fifty

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Speaker 6: There's nothing really that unusual about a fifty basis point

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Speaker 6: move in twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three when the

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Speaker 6: Reserve Bank was putting the rates up with gusto and enthusiasm.

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Speaker 10: So if they want to.

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Speaker 6: Move this fifty base one, nothing unusual in it, just

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Speaker 6: just on the fifty basis points. The Montrey Policy Committee

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Speaker 6: and they rightfully decided that fifty basis points was consistent

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Speaker 6: no real forward guidance there, Mike, It was quite a

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Speaker 6: short statement in a relatively concise summary of the Monetary

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Speaker 6: forward pricing in the money markets is saying another fifty

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Speaker 6: with the market this time around. We would suggest that

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Speaker 6: that continues. Just looking at the commentary, inflation is assessed

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Speaker 6: converging on the two percent midpoint. But when you get

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Speaker 6: of the New Zealand economy coming from a committee that

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Speaker 6: in May was in quite a different place, and they

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Speaker 6: mine economic growth is weak. We are in a position

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Speaker 6: setting to adjust to a low inflation economy. They do

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Speaker 6: say there are global risks as well. Looks important the committee.

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Speaker 6: The committee thinks that inflation will remain around the midpoint

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Speaker 6: in the medium term, and Mike, we had our Internal

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Speaker 6: Investment Committee meeting yesterday after the announcement. The question was asked,

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Speaker 6: if the economy is as described and inflation is expected

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Speaker 6: why wouldn't the RBNZ move faster to get the ocr

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Speaker 10: And that's the endpoint. Well, you know, that's a very

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Speaker 6: I looked in there to see is there any clues

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Speaker 10: Interest rate exchange rates.

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Speaker 6: They also said that, you know, domestic price setting behavior,

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Speaker 6: which is really the inflation driver still risks that further

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Speaker 6: adjustments might be faster or slower than currently expected. But

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Speaker 6: I do want to make the point the problem here

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Speaker 6: is even if you get a fifty point move in November,

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Speaker 6: you then get a big break till February.

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Speaker 10: At the current rate, you don't get to the neutral.

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Speaker 6: Rate until the middle of next years, months and months

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Speaker 6: and months away from here.

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Speaker 10: Data is important.

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Speaker 6: You got CPI next week early November, You've got labor

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Speaker 6: market data. There's they're keeping an eye on global developments.

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Speaker 6: You get a bit of We got a speech next

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Speaker 6: week on the transmission of monetary policy, so I think

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Speaker 10: Now, just another question.

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Speaker 6: If the CPI confirmation of where the CPI is is important,

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Speaker 6: the CPI announcement is next week, why wouldn't you schedule

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Speaker 6: the meeting around, you know, after the.

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Speaker 10: CPIM actually because every three months. Yeah, anyway, that's an

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Speaker 10: interesting question.

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Speaker 6: Anyway, market reaction interest rates, well, they barely moved because

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Speaker 6: it's all priced in New Zealand dollars quite a bit

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Speaker 10: Point six oh sixty two.

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Speaker 6: And I guess that's a risk moving forward if if

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Speaker 6: you know, monetary policy starts to divergeb it between US

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Speaker 6: and other places. Now you've got a good pop par

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Speaker 6: in the Sheer market at one point seventy five percent

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Speaker 6: gain there, So interesting days.

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Speaker 2: Mike, Ain't that the truth? On that note? Give us

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Speaker 2: the numbers, right?

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Speaker 10: So the US market, they're actually in positive territory.

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Speaker 6: So the the Dow Jones is up point nine two percent,

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Speaker 2: Like the UK, new governments still having trouble giving up

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Speaker 2: To be completely fair, who was there and you were there?

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Speaker 7: I paid for my tickets, but I pay for my tickets.

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Speaker 10: His tickets and eventually but he so please don't do that.

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Speaker 12: Well, I mean I went and I've declared that in

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Speaker 10: You know what yours.

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Speaker 11: But your suggestion is that's them how they shouldn't.

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Speaker 2: Precisely, Hey, listen, Starmer, this is how bad it's got Starmer.

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Speaker 2: some new plans for emergency response when things go pear shaped.

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Speaker 2: That's right. It's time for Nobel Prize of the Day,

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Speaker 2: which goes to the chemistry people today, and the winners

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Speaker 2: are David Baker, Demis Hassebis and John Jumper. Breakthrough work

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Speaker 2: Hassabis and Jumper both work at Google Deep Mind and London.

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Speaker 2: Baker designed the new protein in two thousand and three.

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Speaker 2: Once again i'm quoting the committee his research group has

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Speaker 2: course Mike Mitchell, who was with us. Good morning, Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 2: The broad claim and we've seen this for years that

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Speaker 12: Yes, so that is true. It hasn't always been a

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Speaker 12: You know, we are fully committed. We realize and recognize

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Speaker 2: So what does this mean? More money, more resource better

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Speaker 12: All of those things, so, you know, more training, more

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Speaker 12: We just got to make sure that we better support

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Speaker 2: See I wonder, and you'll argue back about this, but

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Speaker 2: Is that fair or unfair?

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Speaker 12: No, that's that's not fair. That's very outstanding. And the

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Speaker 12: I mean, in all fairness, after the lessons lured after

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Speaker 12: lessons learned already. The Port Hills fires was a clessic

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Speaker 2: It was chalk and cheese, all right, So what about

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Speaker 2: I'm wrong. The River Mouth situation, where a lot of

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Speaker 15: Of course.

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Speaker 12: With Warra we put a we put a Crown Manager

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Speaker 2: But you go in here now with what a high

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I do have a high level of conference in

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Speaker 2: All right, good on you, Mark Mitchell, the Emergency Management Minister.

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Speaker 2: I reckon it's a top down thing. I think people

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Speaker 2: marks their man and that's why you've seen the improvement

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Speaker 2: you have have of like eighteen away from seven skating

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Speaker 2: housing this morning, given the fifty points and all that

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Speaker 2: sort of stuff. The massive University Home Affordability Report, it's

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Speaker 2: improved in the last three months has been a four

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Speaker 2: point four percent improvement. Have you seen that you're feeling

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Speaker 2: that now more affordable? Still only ten times, just ten times.

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Speaker 2: And the problem I've got with these DTIs these debt

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Speaker 2: to income ratios. They're set at six times and the

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Speaker 2: average house is ten times. So you know, join some

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Speaker 2: dots and find out where the problem is. Eighteen to two.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 2: I knew you would get some of this, Mike Gumboot.

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Speaker 2: Friday twenty four million, the government hauled up one point

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Speaker 2: nine million thrown at mental health and no improvement. Where

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Speaker 2: is the investigation? It's not a bad question, but we

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Speaker 2: need to dip into this after seven o'clock and we

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Speaker 2: will six forty.

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Speaker 1: Five international correspondence with ends at Eye Insurance, peace of

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Speaker 1: mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: Right itly go McKenna, how are you great?

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Speaker 16: How are you mine?

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Speaker 2: Very well? Indeed, so the league are gathering in Milan

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Speaker 2: or all the glad and the good and the happy

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Speaker 2: attending well.

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Speaker 16: This was last weekend and it was interesting to see

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Speaker 16: the lineup. The Hungarian Prime Minister Victor Auburn, the Dutch

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Speaker 16: right wing leader Geed Fielders. They were all there to

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Speaker 16: rally support for Matteo Salvini, hailing him as a hero

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Speaker 16: for defending Italy's borders and blocking migrant arrivals. But also

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Speaker 16: significantly they were there ahead of his court case which

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Speaker 16: is going on in Palermo. Prosecutors have requested a six

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Speaker 16: year prison term from mister Sloveni in relation to him

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Speaker 16: blocking migrants on border a ship when he stopped them

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Speaker 16: from landing at Lampaduza in August twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: How does this stuff play out in domestic Italian politics?

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Speaker 2: Is it Silvini who's done well with the border, or

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Speaker 2: is it Maloney who's done well with the border, or

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Speaker 2: do they scrap about that or are you just happy

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Speaker 2: they're doing well with the border?

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Speaker 16: Look, I think most people are getting on with it,

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Speaker 16: and I really do appreciate that the Coalitionion government has

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Speaker 16: done a lot to restrict the number of migrants. It's

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Speaker 16: certainly gone away as an issue, and I think, as

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Speaker 16: we know, there have been more arrivals in Spain in

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Speaker 16: recent months than in Italy, So I think that's considered

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Speaker 16: a plus for the moment for this government.

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Speaker 2: And how is it handled when you talk about builders

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Speaker 2: and all those guys. When you look at what happened

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Speaker 2: in Austria just the other weekend, you've got right wing,

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Speaker 2: far right wing, right right wing and then you got

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Speaker 2: say a Maloney Salvini, which you might regard as more

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Speaker 2: slightly more moderate. Do they differentiate between the levels of

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Speaker 2: extremism or not? Really they do?

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Speaker 16: I think in domestic politics not so much on an

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Speaker 16: international level. But we've seen just you and I have

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Speaker 16: been discussing differences that they've had over Ukraine and Russia.

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Speaker 16: For example, Slvini lines up much more pro Russian than

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Speaker 16: he does Ukrainian, and that is something that has been

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Speaker 16: a point of difference between these coalition partners.

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Speaker 2: Interesting now, I was thinking about this the other day

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Speaker 2: when I read it, So the Trivi Fountain. I first

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Speaker 2: discovered the Trivia Fountain purely by accident. I didn't even

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Speaker 2: know where I was, and I came around a corner

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Speaker 2: and there was the I thought, what's that. Why are

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Speaker 2: all these people gathered? And I thought, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: that's the Trivia Fountain. So how are they going to

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Speaker 2: charge you to do that if people like me can

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Speaker 2: just bumble upon it by accident.

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Speaker 16: Indeed, because anyone who's been there knows, as you just said,

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Speaker 16: it's in the middle of cross streets, so you just

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Speaker 16: sort of stroll across it. You don't actually know where

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Speaker 16: it is. They've closed it down for a two month cleanup,

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Speaker 16: and so at the moment visitors will be crossing a

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Speaker 16: suspended walkway to have a look at the empty fountain,

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Speaker 16: and then they're talking about charging visitors after that, and

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Speaker 16: how are they going to do that. It sounds like

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Speaker 16: they're going to have to put something around it to

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Speaker 16: minimize the access, and I'm not quite sure how that's

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Speaker 16: going to take place.

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Speaker 2: And it's the weirdest thing. How much would you charge

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Speaker 2: because I wouldn't pay you anything because that was I

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Speaker 2: saw it, and I thought, God, that's underwhelming.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I know, I mean, and everyone's still throwing the

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Speaker 16: coin over their shoulder. Just that whole myth about if

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Speaker 16: I throw a coin over my shoulder iver coming back.

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Speaker 16: So surely they've got enough money out of that. But

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Speaker 16: this sounds like a cynical money making exercise. I think

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Speaker 16: as we go into the Vatican Jubilee year next year.

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Speaker 2: It's the weirdest thing. What's that art gallery down the

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Speaker 2: other end of town? And I discovered that by accidents

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Speaker 2: as well. I win saw some Madigliani's there now that

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Speaker 2: with the one with the massive steps going up the front.

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Speaker 13: Oh, quite beautiful.

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Speaker 16: In the gardens, in the Bogazi gardens, it's a beautiful.

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Speaker 15: See.

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Speaker 2: I'd rather pay money to go see that than I

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Speaker 2: would be Tribu Fountain.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, absolutely, But you know there's still plenty of tourists

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Speaker 16: around Rome at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Mink good Hourrah, Now what's this. I've never heard of

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Speaker 2: this town that's blocking the migrants to play sport. What's

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Speaker 2: their problem?

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Speaker 13: Yep.

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Speaker 16: This is a small town up near Treist. It's called

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Speaker 16: mont Falcone and this is a town that has thirty

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Speaker 16: thousand people, one third of migrants, and it's got a

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Speaker 16: very right wing mayor at the moment and a Maria

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Speaker 16: Chistin who's aligned with Maloney and Salvini, and she's trying

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Speaker 16: to stop the Bangladeshis and the other South Asian migrants

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Speaker 16: from playing cricket in the town. She's also trying to

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Speaker 16: stop them from their Muslim worship and banning bukinis on

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Speaker 16: the beach. But the cricket is the main thing that's

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Speaker 16: making headlines because these these poor miagrants want to have

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Speaker 16: a go and practice their cricket and compete, and they

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Speaker 16: say that she says that there it's a danger to

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Speaker 16: the windows of houses and damaging parked cars.

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Speaker 2: All right, you go, well, Joe, we'll catch up on

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Speaker 2: next Thursday. And I appreciate it very much. That's Joe McKinnon.

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Speaker 2: Gallery of Boys, But geese actually it's geesee. Well the

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Speaker 2: villa is the other one. Is Joe still there? No,

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Speaker 2: it's a shame. The villa in the park is the

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Speaker 2: other one. I'd pay money. That's beautiful villa in the

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Speaker 2: park just down the road from my sister's place that

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Speaker 2: you paid to go see. But the Trivy Fountain, if

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Speaker 2: you've never seen the Trivy Fountain in life, it really

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Speaker 2: is fantastically underwhelming. Night Away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Called the Mike costing Breakfast with Us dog.

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Speaker 2: ZV like the market's now pricing in a fifty basis

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Speaker 2: point cut in November, a dune deal pricing in a

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Speaker 2: twenty percent chance of a seventy five percent cut there

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Speaker 2: as well. I don't see that coming because we've got

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Speaker 2: Adrian running the place. But we'll talk to the bank shortly. Meantime,

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Speaker 2: as we stand by for Milton, Biden's working hard on misinformation.

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Speaker 17: There's simply no place for this to happen. Former President

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Speaker 17: Trump has led the onslaught of lies. Assertions have been

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Speaker 17: made that property is being confiscated. That's simply not true.

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Speaker 17: They're saying people impacted by these storms will received seven

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Speaker 17: hundred and fifty dollars in cash and no more. That's

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Speaker 17: simply not true. They're saying the money is needed for

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Speaker 17: this crisis is being diverted to migrants. What a ridiculous

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Speaker 17: thing to say. It's not true. Now the claims are

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Speaker 17: getting even more bizarre. Congressroom Marjorie Taylor green E conmomssroom

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Speaker 17: in Georgia is now saying the federal government is literally

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Speaker 17: controlling the weather. We're controlling the weather. It's becund ridiculous.

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Speaker 17: It's got to stop.

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Speaker 1: Well, the ins and the outs. It's a bizs with

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Speaker 1: business fiber take your business productivity to the mixed level.

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Speaker 2: The losses in Tamper is with US south of seven

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Speaker 2: o'clock meantime, z Spree, they're looking to have another credit

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Speaker 2: this twelve month supply globally. So this is for their

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Speaker 2: sun gold products. So a couple of years ago, and

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Speaker 2: we covered it at the time. The idea they wanted

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Speaker 2: to get it done was to combat what China's doing.

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Speaker 2: Growers here had a vote, didn't like it, so now

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Speaker 2: they're having another draft proposal. So they want to basically

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Speaker 2: grow an additional four hundred and twenty hectares of sun

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Speaker 2: gold a year, and they want to do it in

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Speaker 2: literally France, Japan, South Korea and Greece. That would mean

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Speaker 2: that zespre banded fruit and this is the key that

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Speaker 2: zespre branded fruit could be sold all year round globally.

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Speaker 2: Still need seventy five percent by the growers, and there's

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Speaker 2: still a bit of pushback because the issue is a

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Speaker 2: lot of growers don't own shares. Less than fifty percent

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Speaker 2: of all kiwifruit supplies, by the way, don't own shares.

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Speaker 2: So they say there's not enough benefit in them from

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Speaker 2: the obyss's plan to go ahead. Anyway, Zesbury's full year

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Speaker 2: revenue for twenty four is four point two billion. They

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Speaker 2: say these extra four hundred and twenty hectares could mix

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Speaker 2: sixty percent demand for the twenty thirty three season and

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Speaker 2: limit the amount of damage in a bad season here.

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Speaker 2: In other words, you're growing more fruit and you're covering

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Speaker 2: your bases internationally so that Chinese don't sneak in and say, well,

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Speaker 2: you can't get the real things. So here's some of ours. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: they decide shortly whether to take it to another vote.

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Speaker 2: There's a little bit has proven going on as politics

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Speaker 2: at play here. They claim they're seeing a material increase

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Speaker 2: in support, so they think they're increasingly bullish, whether they

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Speaker 2: go again for another vote, they can get it across

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Speaker 2: the line. I'm all in favor of them. The sooner

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Speaker 2: they do it, the better, and I was very disappointed

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two they didn't do it. But nevertheless,

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Speaker 2: you know, if your own cheers, your own chairs, and

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Speaker 2: he's entitled the vote. Vittoria's short runs a bank, so

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Speaker 2: she's in a good position to be able to tell

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Speaker 2: us what fifty bases points mean, whether fifty more is coming,

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Speaker 2: whether people suddenly ask for more money, whether borrowing more

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Speaker 2: money is actually the answer to our economic woes, whether

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Speaker 2: we just feel a bit better, whether Nikola Willis is

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Speaker 2: right and better days are coming. As I mentioned Dave's

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Speaker 2: in Tampa, he's standing by Malcolm Gladwell looking forward to

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Speaker 2: the catch up. He hasn't been with us for a

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Speaker 2: couple of years. But there's a bloke writes a book.

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Speaker 2: His whole world changes, his whole life is tipped upside down.

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Speaker 2: So he's decided to write another book and see if

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Speaker 2: it all happens again. Malcolm Gladwell is with us after

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Speaker 2: a meantime. News is next. You're a news talking said.

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Speaker 1: By the newspeakers and the personalities the big names talk to,

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Speaker 1: like the costing breakfast with Bailey's real Estate, your local

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Speaker 2: Had been seven past seven, so fifty points it was.

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Speaker 2: The Reserve Bank tells us the cash right remains restrictive,

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Speaker 2: so another fifteen next month isn't a guarantee, but the

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Speaker 2: momentum appears to be there now. The politicians left all

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Speaker 2: over and of course suggesting better days are ahead. ASP

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Speaker 2: Chief Executive Victoria short with us Victoria Morning.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 2: As an exercise and fiscal management over the last couple

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Speaker 2: of years, as we come out the other side of this,

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Speaker 2: how would you judge this this move?

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Speaker 13: Look, I think it's great news for households and it's

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Speaker 13: great news for businesses. It means that inflation is getting

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Speaker 13: down to a net target range and even though it's

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Speaker 13: going to take time to flow through. I think the

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Speaker 13: big question everyone's asking now is where too from here?

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Speaker 13: So I think that's the thing that we're really turning

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Speaker 2: Do you have any answers on that? Because the commentary

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Speaker 2: leading into yesterday was anywhere between twenty five and seventy five,

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Speaker 2: and I've not seen that before, and there seems to

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Speaker 2: be some ankst around what comes next as well. Does

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Speaker 2: anyone actually know what's going on?

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Speaker 13: Well, I mean, obviously the our central Bank will make

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Speaker 13: their own independent decisions. But what we think is that

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Speaker 13: four seventy five the cash rate is still what we

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Speaker 13: describe as restrictive, and we think that the neutral rate

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Speaker 13: is around three point two five. So you can take

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Speaker 13: from that that there's a bit to go and we

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Speaker 13: always have to be careful though that. You know, world

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Speaker 13: events can change, but we do think that there is

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Speaker 13: further cuts ahead. We think it could be another fifty

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Speaker 13: basis points in November, but we think that will continue

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Speaker 13: next year. You know, we're just going to make sure

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Speaker 13: that inflation keeps coming down to their target range.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's your sense on that? I was reading an

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Speaker 2: interesting thing Australia. Are the savings rates in Australia are

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Speaker 2: way higher there than they have been here through this

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Speaker 2: whole COVID period? In other words, are we the sort

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Speaker 2: of people who, when given a chance, will run with

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Speaker 2: it and start spending with alacrity or not?

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Speaker 13: Yes, we do like to spend the carries and we

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Speaker 13: certainly borrow more than we save, so you know, we

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Speaker 13: would always say that you go think about your financial

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Speaker 13: us and we can help.

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Speaker 2: What I also read yesterday was zero point I think

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Speaker 2: it was zero point four percent or might be zero

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Speaker 2: point six percent of mortgages were under some sort of

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Speaker 2: stress in general, which means the vast majority art are

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Speaker 2: we actually okay, and that will be going into the

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Speaker 2: reserve banks thinking in other words, for all the dire talk,

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Speaker 2: it's not as dire as it could be. Therefore they

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Speaker 2: need to be careful.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, so look, I think that's certainly what we're seeing.

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Speaker 13: We're actually saying that households and businesses have actually navigated

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Speaker 13: this difficult period pretty well well. And when I have

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Speaker 13: a look at our data of customers who are getting

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Speaker 13: extra support, those who are feeling stressed because of the

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Speaker 13: interest rates are about a third of our customers that

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Speaker 13: we're supporting. The other customers it's for actual sort of

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Speaker 13: life events. It's health reasons, losing a job, it's divorced,

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Speaker 13: it's things like that. So it's true that the majority

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Speaker 13: of the people that we're supporting as a result of

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Speaker 2: Good insight appreciated very much. Victoria Short, who's the ASP

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Speaker 2: chief executive. Ten minutes past seven, tasket right to Milton.

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Speaker 2: It's just starting to arrive in Florida. And it is

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Speaker 18: Weighing into any company that or individual that might use

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Speaker 18: this crisis to exploit people who are desperate for help

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Speaker 18: through illegal fraud or price gouging, whether it be at

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Speaker 18: the gas pump, the airport, or the hotel counter. Know

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Speaker 18: that we are monitoring these big behaviors and the situation

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Speaker 18: on the ground very closely, and anyone taking advantage of

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Speaker 18: consumers will be held accountable.

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Speaker 2: All right. Diavalas is a reporter in the area. He's

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Speaker 2: with us dive morning.

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Speaker 5: To you, Good morning, How are you very well?

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Speaker 2: Indeed see you're in Fort Myz. Are you in the

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Speaker 2: middle of it YETO or not?

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Speaker 4: No, we are not. But I can tell you that

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Speaker 4: the outer bands are starting to hit us here and

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Speaker 4: we have had probably about a half dozen confirmed tornado

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Speaker 4: reports here in southwest Florida this morning. It's been a

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Speaker 4: chaotic morning just trying to get ready to go to work.

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Speaker 4: There is now a slight break, and I'm actually driving

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Speaker 4: into the television station now on my way to work

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Speaker 4: for what's going to be.

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Speaker 19: A very long day.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, you're going to work for obvious reasons, and most

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Speaker 2: people leaving the site.

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Speaker 4: They are And I drive into Myers now, I'm driving

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Speaker 4: across one of our many bridges into the city, and

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Speaker 4: I am not seeing any cars out on the roadway.

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Speaker 4: And for good reason. I've been monitoring social media, and

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Speaker 4: there has already been a lot of damage just from

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Speaker 4: the tornadoes and the very heavy rains that we have

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Speaker 4: coming in this morning, and the worst is yet to come.

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Speaker 2: Is this accepted broadly as being accurate? In other words,

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Speaker 2: that I've built this up for several days as being

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Speaker 2: bigger than anything we've seen in a century. Your life

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Speaker 2: is at risk. This is going to be like something

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Speaker 2: you've never seen before. Is that true?

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, according to our weather forecasters, our meteorologists,

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Speaker 4: and from everything that I'm seeing, absolutely yes. With the

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Speaker 4: rapid intensification that occurred was unlike anything we've seen. Now,

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Speaker 4: whether or not it slows down before it slams in

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Speaker 4: to the Gulf coast, that remains to be seen. But

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Speaker 4: that is certainly what people in all of all the

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Speaker 4: golf coasts are hoping for, because we don't know exactly

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Speaker 4: where it's going to hit yet, but we have had

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Speaker 4: so I lived through Ian. I was here through Hurricane

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Speaker 4: Ian and covered it. Fort Myers Beach was devastated, sent

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Speaker 4: about island. These are all tourists areas, uh and those

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Speaker 4: areas still as we speak, we're recovering. We just had

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Speaker 4: Hurricane Helene just over a week ago. There was extensive

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Speaker 4: flooding from that. This area can't take much more. And

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Speaker 4: I've talked to a lot of people who have said,

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Speaker 4: we're just not sure how much longer we can.

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Speaker 2: Stay here a little up to two in the afternoon

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Speaker 2: where you are wins it hit Wins winds, you know

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Speaker 2: the doc ol.

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Speaker 4: We are looking for later tonight, I believe they're saying

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Speaker 4: around at eight o'clock is when it's going to get

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Speaker 4: pretty bad for us. But conditions are going to continue

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Speaker 4: to deteriorate throughout the afternoon and well into the evening.

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Speaker 4: But after midnight here our time, we are expecting some

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Speaker 4: of the worst that Milton has to offer.

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Speaker 5: And what means to.

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Speaker 2: What's the big fear way you dive is that the

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Speaker 2: rhine is that the wind is at the suge.

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Speaker 4: It is the storm surge here, and that we're looking

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Speaker 4: at ten to fifteen feet of storm surge that's being

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Speaker 4: predicted for some of our coastal areas. Hurricane Ian was

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Speaker 4: twelve feet and it consumed again a big part of

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Speaker 4: our coastal region. Ten to fifteen is going to do

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Speaker 4: the same thing and perhaps even worse. And we've already

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Speaker 4: seen evacuations here and I can tell you most people

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Speaker 4: heeded those warnings that saw them.

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Speaker 2: Divey, well, we'll stay in touch. You appreciate it very much.

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Speaker 2: Dive A Loss, who's Tampa based reporter in Florida. Obviously

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Speaker 2: fourteen past seven.

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Speaker 2: Who's handing out a million dollars to Northland from tres

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Speaker 2: Power for you in about fifteen minutes time. Seventeen past seven.

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Speaker 2: Got some issues around this new family boost scheme. This

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Speaker 2: is where you get money for childcare. But if you've

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Speaker 2: got a register with your ece receipts. So far, three

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Speaker 2: early Childhood counsel by Simon labor is with us on

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Speaker 2: this Simon morning to you, morning mate. I know the

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Speaker 2: Labour Party are trying to make a thing of this,

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Speaker 2: but I mean, yeah, it's tens of thousands of people

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Speaker 2: are registered so far, it's only three weeks. I'm not

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Speaker 2: overly exercise to you.

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Speaker 11: I think it's a really impressive start. That's to compare

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Speaker 11: that to how long it would take us to deliver

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Speaker 11: the same kind of changes through ECE funding, which would

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Speaker 11: be three or four years. I think it's a really

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Speaker 2: I also argue there's something to be said about self responsibility.

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Speaker 2: If you want the money, the money is there, and

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Speaker 2: if you've got to spend a couple of minutes on

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Speaker 2: a computer filing a few forms, that's not the end

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Speaker 2: of the world, because we do it with a lot

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Speaker 2: of stuff in life, don't we.

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Speaker 11: That's right. It's annoying having that admin burden. But if

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Speaker 11: you actually have a look on the website, they have

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Speaker 11: made it as easy as they possibly can. And if

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Speaker 11: here you go. You can go and get it if

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Speaker 11: That's over to you.

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Speaker 2: Exactly have you seen or dealt with people who have

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Speaker 2: done it. It's working if you can make it work,

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Speaker 2: it's not actually a big deal if you don't want

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Speaker 2: to make it a big deal.

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Speaker 11: Definitely, there's no issues with the system they've designed so far,

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Speaker 11: but everyone's just getting their heads around it. In the

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Speaker 11: you know, to get our heads around new systems and things.

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Speaker 11: And parents are going to be no different. It will

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Speaker 11: take them a while to get the hang of it.

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Speaker 11: Once they've done it, it's just rinse and repeat.

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Speaker 2: Good on you.

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Speaker 11: So I'd encourage people to discover it to go all.

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Speaker 2: Right, okay, especially for free money, Simon thell nothing's free obviously,

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Speaker 2: but you know what I mean. Simon Labor, who's the

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Speaker 2: Early Childhood Council CEO. Speaking of which morning, Mike what

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Speaker 2: and that's their problem. And listen and let you know

871
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: if you want of those people go I don't know

872
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: how to do that. That's the party for you. Seven

873
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: twenty three Right Universities a little bit of a mind

874
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 2: field at the moment. Grant Robinson's gone to run a

875
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 2: target of course. Auckland's introduced to Mari related compulsory course,

876
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: which has received surprise and a lot of pushback. Aut

877
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 2: we've told you about this. They've been giving out three

878
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: points in a race based travel wrought, whereas if you're

879
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 2: Maori you get a better chance of travel funding than

880
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: if you're not Mari. So when the latest university rankings

881
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 2: were released as they were yesterday afternoon, the facto Targer

882
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 2: is now at its lowest ranking ever will come as

883
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: a good chance to offer a decent serve to old grant.

884
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: Can't run an economy, can't run a yuni Auckland. It

885
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: was another who fell out of the top one hundred

886
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: and fifty for the first time, so once again a

887
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: chance to have a crack. There are other rankings, and

888
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: depending on which ones you look at depends on how

889
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: they're judged. Overall, you can argue we are not particularly

890
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: high up in global terms. Auckland as our top facility

891
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 2: outside the top one hundred and fifty doesn't sound very encouraging,

892
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 2: does it. You know why, because it isn't A Targo

893
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: is so far down the list now they don't even

894
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 2: rank them specifically, it's just a band, and they've gone

895
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: from the three hundred and one to three hundred and

896
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: fifty band down to the three hundred fifty one to

897
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: four hundred band, so they might be three hundred and

898
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: ninety ninth in the world. Surely some reputational work to

899
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: be done there. Otago I note defended themselves by saying,

900
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 2: one they were disappointed, but two no, New Zealand University

901
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 2: had improved, sort of in a well we're all a

902
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 2: bit useless then, aren't we kind of way. Having had

903
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: a little bit of experience with universities these past few years,

904
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: two of our five kids have or are attending, and

905
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: a third is about to go. The unmistakable reality that

906
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: smacks you in the face is the wokeness of it all,

907
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 2: the stench of indoctrination about the place these days. They're

908
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 2: there to fill your head basically with the stuff they

909
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 2: believe to be correct. You think that you're their way,

910
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: or basically you're wrong. A lot of it's race based,

911
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 2: and it's very very unappealing. Mind you, I'm older. Maybe

912
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 2: young kids lap this stuff up, or or think they

913
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,919
Speaker 2: lap it up until they're mature a bit. But even

914
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 2: the teaching brigade at some of these places have voiced

915
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: their concerns around freedom of speech, and when you add

916
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 2: the concerns to the rankings, the overall picture painted is

917
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: not flattering. And because they're so woke, my fear is

918
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 2: a ranking like this will not be seen as a

919
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 2: reason to change or improve, but yet another reason to

920
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: dismiss those who can't possibly know what they're talking about,

921
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 2: asking Gumboot Friday, so let's address this particular elephant in

922
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: the room, shall we? I defend ingrid Leary and the

923
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 2: Labor Party based on this. The Auditor General came out

924
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 2: yesterday and a six page letter from the Director General

925
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 2: to the Director General Health Rather Dianasa part He said, look,

926
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: there's a whole bunch of concerns here. They didn't follow

927
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: the rules. There was no clear justification for invoking the

928
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: opt out clause. Several aspects of the process are unusual

929
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: and inconsistent with good practice. All of that's indisputably true.

930
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 2: Why because the rules are very simple. You hold an

931
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: open tender. If you want to throw money at mental health,

932
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 2: you say, hey, everybody in mental health, let's have a word.

933
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: Put an attender, tell us what you're about and will

934
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: dibby up the money. That's how the rules apply. So

935
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 2: the rules were broken, there's no question about that. And

936
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: that then goes to governance. Here's where I defend the government.

937
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: Do you know why they can do what they can

938
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 2: do because they're the government. If they don't like the rules,

939
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 2: they don't have to follow them. And they decided, rightly

940
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 2: or wrongly, that Mike King's the man for the money.

941
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 2: They gave him the money, and they're allowed to do that.

942
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: Now the question will be if Mike King blows the

943
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 2: money and the service provided isn't any good. That's on

944
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: the government, not on the ministry. And yet there was

945
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 2: the next twist in the story, and I'll come back

946
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 2: to that in just a couple of moments. Also talk

947
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: to transpower. But meantime, the news is next.

948
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: The Breakfast Show You Can Trust, the mic asking, Breakfast

949
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: with al Vida, Retirement Communities, Life Your Way, News, togsad be.

950
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: Just to wrap up the business of gunboot Friday. So

951
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: I stand with the government. They're allowed to make any

952
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 2: decision they want, but in making that decision, they've got

953
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 2: to then justify the twenty four million dollars in other words,

954
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 2: you've got to at some point be able to show

955
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 2: the twenty four million dollars was well spent. It wouldn't

956
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 2: have been better spent elsewhere. The service that you gave

957
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: the twenty four million dollars to gave value for money.

958
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 2: Where it went wrong for the government yesterday was Matt Doucy,

959
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: who is still yet to front. Who's the minister responsible.

960
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 2: They told him throughout the process, this is the order

961
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 2: to General that we're talking about. John Ryan Deucey said

962
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 2: or told Ryan that he had, throughout the process sought

963
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 2: and received assurances that the implementation option chosen by the

964
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: Ministry complied with the rules. Now, Ryan obviously doesn't agree

965
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 2: with that, and the reason he doesn't agree is because

966
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 2: it's not true, because what happened was and Ryan, I mean,

967
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 2: there's nothing complicated about this. What Ryan points out in

968
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: his letter is the government of the day, instead of

969
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: having a tender process, made up their mind that Mike

970
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 2: King was going to get the money, and so it

971
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: was all retrospective after that, so there wasn't any need

972
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 2: for a tender process. They just said he's getting the

973
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: money beginning middle an end. So the ministry, who were

974
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 2: supposed to run the process couldn't run a process because

975
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 2: there was no process to run. So therefore Deucey, saying

976
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: that he had throughout the process, sought and received assurances

977
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: that the implementation option chosen by the Ministry. The Ministry

978
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: didn't choose the implementation option, Docy chose it. So to

979
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 2: say they'd chosen it was bollocks, unless, of course, the

980
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 2: Ministry went to the minister and went, hey, Mike King,

981
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 2: Mike King all day long, don't look at anyone else

982
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,439
Speaker 2: than Mike King, Matt, and Matt went, oh, really cool,

983
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: we'll do that. But that's not how it worked. So

984
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: he's thrown the Ministry under the bus, and he should

985
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 2: be called out for that. So it's a win and

986
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: a loss of the government. But as regards the twenty

987
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: four million dollars, they better hope that it's money well spent.

988
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 2: Twenty two to eight. She speak your money well speed

989
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 2: By the way, Malcolm glad Will of Tipping Point claim

990
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 2: after eight but speaking money well spent. Bitter movement out

991
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 2: of the power pylon, per Lava, Transpower and Mixim have

992
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: donated a million bucks to a fund that will support

993
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: northern projects in the economy. It's a good will gest

994
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: to Transpower CEO John Clark with us on this morning.

995
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 2: I've already heard this morning people including local MPs saying

996
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 2: this is not enough, it's a joke, all of that

997
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 2: sort of thing. Were you expecting that level of pushback

998
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 2: or are you disappointed?

999
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 19: We've believe we've done our best to offer Northland fump

1000
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 19: things back that will help improve the energy resilience and

1001
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 19: also help plan for the future and make sure we've

1002
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 19: got between ourselves and our two distribution partners up there,

1003
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 19: we've got for purpose network.

1004
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 2: And when you say things, when you say increase resilience,

1005
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 2: what what's the money actually for? And can't they do

1006
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 2: with it whatever they want.

1007
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 19: Certainly we've left with the community, Northland community, in Northland INK.

1008
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 19: We've indicated along with Northland INKS that you know, if

1009
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 19: it's used the community resilience projects, things that help communities

1010
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 19: cope with storms and the other challenges that Northland have,

1011
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 19: or things that help economic development in Oakland, other sort

1012
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 19: of things that we've been seen. But we are leaving

1013
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 19: it your right to Northland and the Northland community.

1014
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 2: How do you come up with a million? Apart from

1015
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: the fact that's a round number.

1016
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 19: And make some both talk between ourselves and in our

1017
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 19: case we idea by what things we could put aside

1018
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 19: so that we could bring up some money to do

1019
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 19: this community initiative.

1020
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: Has insurance played a part at all or not?

1021
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 19: Insurance has nothing to do with us. This is not

1022
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 19: about compensations. As we've reiterated, compensation is not something that

1023
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 19: happens with utility services. You know, the scale of any

1024
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 19: economic loss is often far more significant than the cost

1025
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 19: of utility service. For instance, you know, the costs will

1026
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 19: we recover from Northland for the transmission GROD, which does

1027
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 19: need a lot of maintenance up there, works out on

1028
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 19: average to about one dollar per for each of the

1029
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 19: electricity consumers in North London.

1030
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: So you do accept that the damage done was somewhere

1031
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: between thirty and eighty and so one million is just

1032
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: a gesture.

1033
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 19: The economic loss of not having a service like electricity

1034
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 19: or water or gas is always way higher than what

1035
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 19: has charged there, So we do acknowledge their economic loss

1036
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 19: if you work that out, is in what we've arranged.

1037
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 19: Different people have come to calculate.

1038
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: That and is compensation still on the table or as

1039
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: a millionaire thanks for coming by by and go away.

1040
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 19: Well, we've reiterated that domestic eidential consumers can talk to

1041
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 19: their retailer if they have suffer loss. Obviously, larger industries

1042
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 19: approaching us with their insurance claims, we'll deal with those.

1043
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 19: That's you know, those seven years are open. But this

1044
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 19: is something back to the Northland community to allow it

1045
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 19: to move aws and for us to help them with

1046
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 19: not only their electricity supply but some of the other

1047
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 19: challenges they have.

1048
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 2: Well, I can't understand, John. I mean, ultimately you are

1049
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 2: responsible because you employer MIXIM. I get that part, But

1050
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 2: essentially they're idiots that didn't do their job. Why aren't

1051
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 2: they paying nine hundred and ninety nine thy nine hundred

1052
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 2: and ninety nine and U toss and the scent.

1053
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 19: Well, we are responsible and we while we could argue

1054
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 19: who how much should be shared, we're comfortable that it's

1055
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 19: a fifty fifty arrangement that seems appropriate. And we're doing

1056
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 19: a lot of work and you've seen the various supports

1057
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 19: and recommendations which we're all on to make sure we

1058
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 19: support our providers like a MIXIM so that they get

1059
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,959
Speaker 19: things right and something like this never happens again.

1060
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 2: Well the type not John go Well, John Clark, who's

1061
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: the transparer CEO seventeen away from mate past quite great

1062
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 2: peace on the universities for the first time ever, I

1063
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: got great concerns about the future prosperity of the country.

1064
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 2: Education is vital for us to keep up with the world,

1065
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 2: and these figures show decline of academic standards in New Zealand.

1066
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 2: Doesn't scare the pants off the public, then we're doomed. Yeah,

1067
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 2: there's not enough coverage of that sort of thing. There

1068
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 2: are rankings, and there are rankings, and the universities will

1069
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 2: defend them, but we're not particularly higher. When you can't

1070
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 2: even breach one hundred and fifty in the world, you've

1071
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: got to say, possibly there's something wrong morning, Mike. I

1072
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 2: just like how you hit the nail on the head

1073
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 2: of labor and the universities and they're woke, race based policies.

1074
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: So much for a multicultural New Zealand. Mike Gumboots or

1075
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: anyone for that matter. What happened to auditing on a

1076
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 2: three month basis? Anyone receiving government money and a lot

1077
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 2: of it needs oversight. Oh, they'll have oversight. The point

1078
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 2: is not the oversight. The point is that they were

1079
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 2: so bullish on Mike King that he's the person to

1080
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 2: do the job. They just better be right on it,

1081
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 2: because you don't want to when you get audited to

1082
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 2: find out the money could have gone better somebody else.

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Speaker 2: Mike unfortunately remind us about the labor MP and who

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Speaker 2: gave the Mongrel Mob was that the two million dollars

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00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 2: without any tender process. My counter argument to you, and

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00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: a lot of you have texted about the Mongrel Mob

1087
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 2: money probably will forever. My counter argument to that is

1088
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 2: you can't justify bad behavior with examples of more bad behavior.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't make bad behavior suddenly better. Sixteen two good.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 1: by News Talks at B where.

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Speaker 2: It's thirteen away from eight. The headline is Mike Hosking

1093
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 2: Reign Supreme? But could an AI DJ replace the radio King?

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00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 2: So that was brought to my attention yesterday. It's an

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Speaker 2: article in the Listener I no longer subscribe to the

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Speaker 2: Listener by Peter Griffin. It's not a particularly good article.

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00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 2: It's I'm not meaning to denigrate Peter's writing, but any

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Speaker 2: article involving me as well worth reading in my humble opinion. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: he's been to San Francisco as Peter, and he went

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Speaker 2: to a conference there where will I Am was there,

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00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 2: and he was showing off as new AI powered radio

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00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 2: station which is called Radio Fyi, and it features a

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Speaker 2: series of AI generated radios. And the first clue that

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00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: Pete is not really up to speed with how radio

1105
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 2: works is you don't call people radio DJs. The other

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00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 2: mistake in the article he makes it talks about talkback.

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00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 2: I don't do talkback. Talkback is a separate thing to

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Speaker 2: what we do on this program. Be that as it may,

1109
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 2: mind you, it's the listener. They operate from about nineteen

1110
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 2: sixty two through nineteen sixty four, so you can forgive them.

1111
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 2: And anyway, his point being is that will I AM's

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00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 2: radio station, although even he concedes by the end of

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00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 2: the article it's not really that good. Yes, the point

1114
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Speaker 2: being that by the time I retire, they are going

1115
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: to hear at enz me have an AI version of

1116
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 2: me that is going to be so good. By the

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00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: time Hosking is considering hanging up his microphone, there's a

1118
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 2: good chance ZB bosses will have Hosking GPT Transcripts of

1119
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 2: Hosking's thousands of past radio shows could be used to

1120
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 2: train it, emulating his take on current affairs, mimicking his

1121
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 2: MIC's me its segments. Now they're already trying it. Let

1122
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 2: me just a little secret here. They have already tried it.

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00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 2: Two people I know of have tried it. One tried

1124
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 2: it and spin it. As far as I understand, quite

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00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 2: a lot of time and energy making me sing. And

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00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: it was a disaster. It was a little short of

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Speaker 2: an absolute disaster.

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Speaker 14: Mean, anybody who knows you knows that you don't sing.

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00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 2: Precisely, you whistle.

1130
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 14: If for some reason you whistle jingle bells all year long.

1131
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 2: I don't know, well Christmas tunes, not just jingle bells.

1132
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Speaker 14: Just just talking to somebody about this yesterday. They said,

1133
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 14: I always hear my whistling as he comes down the stairs.

1134
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 14: And I said, jingle bells. They said, yeah, what's that about.

1135
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Speaker 2: Who knows what it's about? Is I'm mental? Is what

1136
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,439
Speaker 2: it's about. But then the boss tried it because he's

1137
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 2: constantly threatening to get rid of me, and he goes,

1138
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 2: AI is going to replace you. I said, you drum

1139
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 2: up an Ai thing for me and play it to me,

1140
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 2: and I guarantee you it'll be crap. And he went no, no, no, no,

1141
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 2: no no, because that's how Jason talks. He goes no, no, no, no,

1142
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 2: no Nana. Anyway, he drummed it up and we played

1143
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 2: it the next day and I just looked at him

1144
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 2: and he knew what I knew, and I knew what

1145
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 2: he knew, And I said, it is, isn't it? And

1146
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 2: he goes, yes, it is. It was crap. And so

1147
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to be dead before chat gpt AI or

1148
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 2: whatever comes up with anything that even comes close to

1149
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 2: the real deal.

1150
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 14: And you've already gone way past Griffinth's timeline.

1151
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 5: Anyway.

1152
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 14: You you consider hanging up near the microphone pretty much

1153
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 14: at the interview show.

1154
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 2: Pretty much pretty much. But there's just the gap. If

1155
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 2: I quit today, they're not ready. All I'm saying now

1156
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 2: after this, they're never going to be ready. You got

1157
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 2: to have the real me or there is nothing nie

1158
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 2: away from it.

1159
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Speaker 1: The mic hosting breakfast with Alvida, retirement communities.

1160
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 2: Stitch away from it. Interesting developments in the wine industry,

1161
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 2: Taiwanga restate this and hawks By it's on the market,

1162
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 2: because the owner wants to concentrate on exporting to the US.

1163
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 2: So if you fancy a restaurant, vineyard and seller door,

1164
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 2: this could be for you. The owner Rod McDonald's with us, Rod, Morning, Morning,

1165
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 2: How are you well? Thank you? How much of this

1166
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 2: is about the domestic hospo market being a bit hard

1167
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 2: work versus you wanting to be in the US.

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00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 20: Look, you know it's always going to be a combination

1169
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 20: of both. We've got a really exciting opportunity in the US,

1170
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 20: but it's capital hungry. So weighing up the opportunities between

1171
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:29,479
Speaker 20: operating that continuing to operate the vineyard, particularly in cellar door,

1172
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 20: compared to what lies the head potentially in the US,

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00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 20: is what.

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Speaker 2: Lies ahead potentially in the US super exciting. Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 20: Look where we've recently got some listenings in Costco. We're

1176
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 20: going to be in about one hundred and sixteen stores

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00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 20: come the next quarter of trading, and we've got national distribution.

1178
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Speaker 20: But it's really early days for us. So it just

1179
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 20: takes a lot of money to continue to build and

1180
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Speaker 20: invest in that platform.

1181
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 2: Yes, it does having it. So you are you one

1182
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 2: of those people who started out with you know, you

1183
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 2: could look at your grapes out your window and you

1184
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 2: could crush them yourself and think that's fantastic. You've moved

1185
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 2: into be a sort of a mega entrepreneur. Are you

1186
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 2: one of those sort of people?

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00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 20: Yeah, I wouldn't say mega entrepreneur, but certainly labeling at

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Speaker 20: the kitchen table and getting out with a weed waker

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00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 20: and dealing with you know, dealing with a vignyard on

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00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 20: a daily basis. That's where it all started for sure, exactly.

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Speaker 2: So you want to lease back, though, don't you, because

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00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 2: you can't get into the US and expand if you

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00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 2: don't have any grapes, and if you sell your grapes,

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00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 2: you're sort of out of wine making, aren't you.

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 20: So there's a few different parts of the business. We

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Speaker 20: leased a couple of vineyards and we work with growers

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Speaker 20: and they've all been incredibly supportive and a big part

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Speaker 20: of the journey to get to this point. So we'll

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Speaker 20: continue to do that. You know, a vignyard at Tijwonga

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Speaker 20: we planted with Merlow's son, Blanc Chadney and sah. It's

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00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 20: you know, most of what we're selling overseas is sauvinyon

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00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 20: blanc and and not at the sort of super premium

1204
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 20: price point that we grow out at Tijuwanna. So we're

1205
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Speaker 20: fully certified organic out there. That's a big part of

1206
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Speaker 20: the story for us as well. But to get some

1207
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Speaker 20: scale and build momentum in the US, you know, sustainability

1208
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,919
Speaker 20: is part of the story. And hawks face servinon Blanc

1209
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 20: believe it or not.

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00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 15: So I think it's.

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Speaker 20: It's a really exciting thing for hawks Bay and us.

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Speaker 20: But you've got to cut your cloth. You've got to

1213
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 20: you've got to allocate your resources where you think they're

1214
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 20: going to get your best return.

1215
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Speaker 2: Exactly. Well, I wish you all the very best with it,

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Speaker 2: Rod Rod McDonald, who is the owner currently of Taowanga Estate.

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Speaker 2: They make some very good wines, so full range of wines.

1218
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 2: Actually you get some of the sabs and the high

1219
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 2: teens and they make a very good top endrah. So

1220
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 2: best Sarah in the country comes out of hawks Bay.

1221
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 2: Of course. I think that I can say that without

1222
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 2: any real dispute, can't I? In a moment, Malcolm glad

1223
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 2: will So he's a blogger, bit of a writer, rights

1224
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 2: a thing called tipping point. The whole world changes, most

1225
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 2: incredible thing and it changed so much that he wrote

1226
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 2: another one called Revenge of the Tipping Point, which is

1227
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Speaker 2: just coming up now, So we'll get Malcolm glad Will

1228
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 2: back on the program after the News, which is next.

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Speaker 1: They use bold opinions the mic Hosking Breakfast with the

1230
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: range Rover bela designed to intrigue and use togs ed bast.

1231
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 2: Some of the best ar comes from way hicky, but

1232
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 2: fair enough.

1233
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: I don't want a bit of the.

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Speaker 2: Jeer grat will scrap you go seven minutes past o

1235
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 2: Malcolm Gladwill. He writes an article for a magazine, gets attention,

1236
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 2: and he gets a book that you'll off the back

1237
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 2: of bed. He writes The Tipping Point. It goes off

1238
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 2: from there. It's tours at six more best selling books,

1239
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 2: and we caught up with them last time in twenty seventeen.

1240
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 2: This latest as Revenge of the Tipping Point. It explores

1241
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 2: older new tipping points. Twenty five years on and Malcolm

1242
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 2: Gladwell is with us from New York. Good morning, good morning,

1243
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 2: the twenty five years. Are you celebrating the twenty five

1244
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 2: years since the very start of this wonderment that is

1245
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 2: your life?

1246
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 5: I am, I am, yes, it is which one is

1247
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 5: that twenty five years is? What is that silver? I've

1248
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 5: forgotten what that annivers is.

1249
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 2: I think it is silver. It's not golden, but so

1250
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 2: you'll take silver twenty five. Here's the funny. Here's the

1251
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 2: funny thing about it. When I read the book when

1252
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 2: it came out originally, I for whatever reason, had no

1253
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 2: concept of how old you might have been comparatively speaking,

1254
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 2: you were young. How was it dealing with that level

1255
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 2: of what I'm assuming was life changing success?

1256
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you know it wasn't It had no I

1257
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 5: expected to have a much greater impact on my life

1258
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 5: than it did. Nothing, you know, nothing changes like my

1259
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 5: friends were still the same. I lived in the same apartment.

1260
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Speaker 10: You know.

1261
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Speaker 5: It was the surprising, a surprisingly kind of I mean,

1262
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 5: I suppose it it it it it changed. People would

1263
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 5: return my phone calls and I wanted to interview them

1264
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:48,439
Speaker 5: for stories. So that was big. But and it freed

1265
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 5: me up because I began to I lasked my anxiety

1266
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 5: about whether my writing would would would please an audience,

1267
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 5: you know. So that made that That made that allowed

1268
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 5: me to be a bit more adventurous. But it didn't

1269
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 5: otherwise have much of it didn't create the change that

1270
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 5: one would have thought.

1271
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 2: Although that will be down in some way to you,

1272
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 2: because presumably you could have bought a bigger apartment and

1273
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 2: changed your friends and your lots.

1274
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Speaker 5: I eventually did, But no, the friends part. It's funny.

1275
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 5: You know, you look at you know, writers, successful writer

1276
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 5: are not true celebrities. So all of us look at

1277
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 5: true celebrities and we assume that on the occasion of

1278
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 5: their celebrity, their life turned upside down. But I think

1279
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 5: as a general rule, that's not what happens. I think

1280
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 5: you you know, I was talking to some friend about

1281
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 5: of mine about he knew a guy who was one

1282
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 5: of the has become one of those tech billionaires, and

1283
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 5: I said, well, who is friends? And my friend said, oh,

1284
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 5: just guys you knew in high school.

1285
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 15: Wow.

1286
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 5: Like, oh, he's like the rest of you know. I

1287
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 5: don't think that's that's normal, totally normal, Like, well, well,

1288
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 5: who else would his friends be? Right? You know, they'll

1289
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 5: cease to be his friends because he is a billion

1290
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 5: and they only have you know, a very modest amount.

1291
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 5: There's he still has the same things in common with him.

1292
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 5: It's just I guess he's picking up the check for dinner.

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Speaker 2: I guess, so but in tick it would be different.

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Speaker 2: I'm suspecting because the reason these guys got successful in

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Speaker 2: tech is because they followed their passion. The fact that

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Speaker 2: money came along is of no consequence to them, because

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Speaker 2: what they were doing was being geeky and techy, and

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Speaker 2: that's what that truly drive the which I suppose applies

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Speaker 2: to you as well. Do you think if it hadn't

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Speaker 2: been tipping point it would have been something else? You

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Speaker 2: would have got there anyway?

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Speaker 5: Probably not, I don't know. I mean, it's an impossible

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Speaker 5: question to answer. I'm powerfully convinced of the randomness of success,

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Speaker 5: so I don't think there's anything inevitable about anyone's success.

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Speaker 5: I think, if you're you know, so, my best guess

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01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 5: is that I got spectacularly lucky. I mean, I read

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01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 5: lots and lots and lots of books which I think

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01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 5: are first class, and that sell vanishingly smaller amounts of copies.

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Speaker 5: So I don't think that writing a brilliant book is

1310
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Speaker 5: is a guarantee of success. I think, you know, to

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01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 5: be successful, you must have some healthy doll up of luck,

1312
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 5: and I had a healthy doll up of luck for

1313
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 5: reasons I don't particularly understand and so, and after that

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Speaker 5: it becomes in writing books, success becomes a self fulfilling

1315
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 5: prophecy after a while, right, I mean, you know your

1316
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 5: publisher promotes your book because you've sold a lot of

1317
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 5: books and books, so you saw your lot's set a

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01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 5: lot of books. So it's like you no longer used

1319
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 5: of you know, am I deserving of all this? You

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Speaker 5: know I've lost track of that.

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Speaker 2: Do you second guess yourself though, because once you got success,

1322
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 2: do you think, well, it's the sophomore album discussion, doesn't it? Like,

1323
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 2: you know, everyone gets a hit and then hang on

1324
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 2: sophomore album. So when you get to the sophomore are

1325
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 2: you thinking I'm genuinely telling that this is bound to

1326
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Speaker 2: go well? Or you just don't have a clue.

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Speaker 5: I did have anxiety, but my second book, yes, along

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01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 5: those lines. But no, My perspective has been that what

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01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 5: the last thing you should do is change. What you

1330
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 5: should do is what you've always done, and you should

1331
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 5: continue to write the things that make you happy, and

1332
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 5: that if you're lucky, you know some number of people

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01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 5: will be interested in the same things you're interested in.

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Speaker 5: You have to have confidence, in other words, that your

1335
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Speaker 5: interests are shared by others. And I think that one

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Speaker 5: of the things I've always tried to do, even more

1337
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 5: so as I've gotten older, is that I do a lot.

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Speaker 5: I do all my own reporting, and I get out

1339
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 5: of my comfort zone as much as I can. I

1340
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 5: try to talk to as many people as I can

1341
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 5: and spend time with people, and I think guards against

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Speaker 5: the kind of of narrowness that ends a That's what

1343
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 5: ends at creative person's career is when they start to

1344
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 5: be to live inside their own little bubble and never

1345
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Speaker 5: leave it.

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Speaker 2: You must always be inquisitive. I've always argued that being

1347
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 2: inquisitive is is a God given gift. You are born

1348
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Speaker 2: with him.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I also think you can develop habits and disciplines

1350
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 5: that encourage your curiosity that you you know that there

1351
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 5: are routines you can have. So for example, I've been

1352
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 5: doing this podcast, Version's History for ten years and I

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01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 5: do ten some of between ten and twenty episodes a year. Now,

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01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 5: that's a routine that forces me to be curious. I

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01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 5: have to come up with ideas for fifteen or twenty episodes,

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01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 5: and that's a discipline that there's no way to do

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Speaker 5: that just by interrogating my own thoughts, right, Yeah, exactly,

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01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 5: I have to go out in the world if you've

1359
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 5: got that kind of a obligation. So that's a structural

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Speaker 5: part of my life that forces me to be curious.

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Speaker 2: Listen, hold on, Malcolm, I want to talk more about

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Speaker 2: these podcasts. In just a capital of a couple of moments,

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Speaker 2: Malcolm glaed will more shortly fullteen past the.

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Speaker 1: Mic Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, pw it

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Speaker 1: by News Talk Zippy News.

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Speaker 2: Talks, sixteen past Malcolm glad Well out of New York,

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Speaker 2: Revenge at the Tipping Point is the is the book?

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Speaker 2: By the way these podcasts, mal confessed night me because

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Speaker 2: what do you reckon podcasts are doing or have done,

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Speaker 2: or will do to books?

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Speaker 5: I think enhance in some sense, enhance them because there

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01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 5: are another mechanism by which people can build audiences and

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01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 5: develop material. So if you think about it, historically, what

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01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 5: magazines did was they were away for authors to develop

1375
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 5: their abilities, to test ideas and to develop audiences. That's

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Speaker 5: what they did. They were like a farm system for books.

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Speaker 5: And then when you had when you had an idea

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01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 5: that made sense to you and an audience that knew

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01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 5: who you were, and you developed as a writer, you

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01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 5: went out and your wrote books. Well, the magaz seeing

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01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 5: world has kind of dried up and something had to

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Speaker 5: take its place, and I think it's a podcast that

1383
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 5: taken its place. So I find a lot of ideas

1384
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 5: that are found in my Ltus book Revenge at Tipping Point.

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01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 5: Some of those ideas were developed as a podcasts first,

1386
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 5: or inspired by work I did in the podcast, and

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01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 5: I was able to test out concept theory and idea

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01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,679
Speaker 5: a story and see whether it made sense, see whether

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Speaker 5: people were interested in it, see whether it it had legs,

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Speaker 5: And then I was able to take what I learned

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Speaker 5: and use that in a book. So I think that

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Speaker 5: there's a there's a very there's a wonderful kind of

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Speaker 5: synergy between those two forms.

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Speaker 2: The stories from Tipping Point to Revenge of the Tipping Point,

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01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 2: in a why you can argue, are the same stories. Therefore,

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Speaker 2: nothing's happened in the ensuing twenty five years. Weird stuff,

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01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 2: tile stories made up. It still all happens. We're exactly

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01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 2: the same as we were twenty five years ago. Is

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Speaker 2: that fair or not?

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Speaker 5: Fear well, we live as we did twenty five years

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01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 5: ago in a world that is rife with epidemic change.

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01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 5: I think that we're quicker to recognize it today, and

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01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 5: I think the nature of the epidemics around us has

1404
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 5: They've grown more frequent and more complex, But fundamentally we

1405
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 5: are still you know, it's not like the Internet invented

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01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:37,719
Speaker 5: contagious social phenomenon, right. Some people act as if it did,

1407
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,759
Speaker 5: and they forget that, Oh no, no, that was happening

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Speaker 5: before the Internet. It's just the Internet maybe was an

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01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 5: accelerant to those kinds of things, or it made them appear,

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01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 5: move faster and be bigger than they might have otherwise,

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Speaker 5: but it didn't fundamentally change the way human beings interact

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Speaker 5: with each other.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 5: Contagion is the idea that we would be influenced by others,

1415
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 5: catch behaviors and ideas from others in the way that

1416
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 5: we catch a cold from them is something that's fundamental

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01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 5: to who we are. What is new is how profoundly

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01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 5: kind of ahistorical some of our perspectives on our world are.

1419
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 5: And one of the advantages of being an old guy

1420
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 5: like I am, and you're kind of I don't think

1421
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 5: you're my age, but I think you're kind of an

1422
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 5: old guy. With those of us who are all guys,

1423
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,640
Speaker 5: you know, we have some perspective we can tell our children.

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01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 5: You know, it was ever Thus that's funny.

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01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 2: Guess. So look, how old are you? I got you

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01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:43,759
Speaker 2: at fifty five, I'm sixty one, sixty one, I'm fifty nine.

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Speaker 2: Let me just ask you this because I got to

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01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 2: wind this up. But let me ask what I listened

1429
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 2: to your thing with Paul Simon, who I've been endlessly

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01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 2: fascinated with my entire life.

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Speaker 5: Me too.

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Speaker 2: And you started off with the question about critics. He

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01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 2: doesn't read the reviews, he's not interested. You started off

1434
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 2: with your question saying you do you get a lot

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01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,599
Speaker 2: of the forgot? Do the critics bother you in any way,

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01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 2: shape or form now, given what you've managed to achieve?

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01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 5: No, nominally do they not bother me. I don't think

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01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 5: they matter. I mean, I actually weirdly think they did

1439
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 5: matter when I was starting out. I think you're review

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01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 5: in the New York Times in nineteen ninety nine or

1441
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 5: two thousand matter. It was a central But now the

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01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 5: kind of the media world has been chopped into a

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01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:32,600
Speaker 5: thousand pieces. So any one bit of criticism makes no

1444
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 5: more than a ripple. So it's not something I spend

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01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 5: a life time on.

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01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 2: Fun game. I think about this all the time. Paul

1447
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 2: Simon or Bob Dylan greatest writers of our age.

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01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 5: Not even close. Paul Simon, Yeah, Al Simon, I agree,

1449
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 5: it's not. I mean the longevity his career. It's funny.

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01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 5: I was just talking to a Kiwi about this. Why

1451
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,919
Speaker 5: I believe Nick Willis is the greatest miler of his generation.

1452
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 5: Why because because Nick Willis ran sub formulute miles for

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01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 5: twenty consecutive years, and at some point you have to

1454
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 5: understand that longevity is a greater achievement than peak performance.

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01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 5: He was never the fastest in the world, but he

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01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 5: very close to being the fastest world But he was.

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Speaker 5: He managed to sustain world class level performers to his

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01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 5: late teens, twenties, thirties, and early forties. You must, at

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01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 5: a certain point understand what an accomplishment that is. I

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01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 5: would as Paul Simon.

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Speaker 2: I would also argue with Simon, not just with Willis,

1462
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 2: not just middle distance, but he went long to Simon

1463
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 2: went Graceland, Africa, different genres over a long period of

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Speaker 2: time as well.

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01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Nick, The idea somewhere Nick Willis should be

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Speaker 5: very pleased that we are comparing him to Paul Simon.

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01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 5: I reasonly Paul Simon of middle distance running. Tell you what,

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01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 5: given we're both aging so brilliantly. On the fiftieth anniversary

1469
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 5: of Tipping Point, we'll get back together and talk some more.

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Speaker 5: How is that from our nursing homes?

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Speaker 2: Exactly?

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Speaker 15: All right?

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01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 2: Might go well, appreciate it. Malcolm glad Well the Revenge

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01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 2: of the Tipping Point at twenty two.

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Speaker 1: School Breakfast with the Range of a Villa News Talks.

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Speaker 4: Mike.

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01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 2: Malcolm did a documentary called Autonomy that was back in

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01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen from memory Rie well Worth watching Lindsay very

1479
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 2: good recommendation. Appreciate it. Mike Outliers is another cracker written

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01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 2: by Malcolm. You are correct as well. I discovered purely

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Speaker 2: by accident. Yesterday Billy Joel's concert back in April at

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01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 2: the Madison Square Garden. So he's been doing Madison Square Garden.

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01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,879
Speaker 2: And he said, originally and it goes back to the nineties,

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01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:30,639
Speaker 2: I will play Madison Square Garden. I think it's about

1485
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 2: once a month for as long as it sells out.

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01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 2: And he got to the one hundred in April, and

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01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:36,720
Speaker 2: I thought, why are they ever going to film this thing?

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01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 2: Because that'll be well worth watching, as it turns out,

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01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 2: And I'd forgotten about it. As it turns out, I

1490
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 2: discovered yesterday they did and what And I'm I'm we're

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01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,680
Speaker 2: all Billy Joel fans to a degree. But would I

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01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 2: go to a Billy Joel concert? Would I watch him?

1493
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 2: But this thing is unbelievable. First of all, Madison Square

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01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:55,640
Speaker 2: Gardens one of the great venues in the world. The

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01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 2: way they've staged it, rigged it, lighted it was is

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01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 2: absolutely sensational. They've got some amazing guests who just come

1497
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,680
Speaker 2: out and know where first one out Seinfeld bang, just

1498
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 2: like that, their next Sting and Sting. And here's the

1499
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 2: risk of bringing guests on. And they've done this throughout

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Speaker 2: the times he's been at Madison Square Garden. Whoever happens

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01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 2: to be in New York performing at the time, they

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01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 2: invite them along their singer song whatever. The problem with

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01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:23,839
Speaker 2: inviting Sting along is it's dangerously close to being outperformed

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01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 2: by Sting because Sting is brilliant. Springsteen turns up so

1505
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 2: you can see where this thing's going. And Billy Joel

1506
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 2: is in fantastic voice for a guy well into his seventies.

1507
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 2: A lot of those guys have lost their voice. He hasn't.

1508
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 2: And the test is on a stage in front of

1509
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 2: an intimate audience at Madison Square Garden. And this show,

1510
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 2: if you've never seen Billy Joel, it's worth watching. If

1511
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 2: you've seen Billy Joel eight hundred times, it's still worth watching.

1512
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 2: It's on kneon. And if you only ever watch one

1513
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 2: Billy Joel thing, watch this. We were all apps, including

1514
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:01,520
Speaker 2: our seventeen year old. We were all absolutely mesmerized.

1515
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 1: Your trusted source for news and fews, the Mic Hosking,

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Speaker 1: Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate, your local experts across residential,

1517
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Speaker 1: commercial and rural news togs.

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Speaker 2: He'd be my Billy Joel's voice has got better with age.

1519
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 2: I don't know, because I haven't followed him closely enough,

1520
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 2: but what I do know, in his seventies and well

1521
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 2: into his seventies. In fact, the other thing I learned

1522
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 2: yesterday is that the opening of the document documentary is

1523
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,599
Speaker 2: a concert. The opening of the concert is a very

1524
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:35,640
Speaker 2: clever animated, highly stylized version of him going to the

1525
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 2: concert via the train and I couldn't quite work out

1526
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 2: why that is. And the answer is he takes to

1527
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 2: the train every time he goes to Mediicine Square Garden.

1528
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 2: His house, by the way, is for sale at the moment.

1529
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 2: And when we last had him on the program, I

1530
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 2: jokingly asked how his renovations were going, because the house

1531
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 2: he's gotten Long Island was being renovated. In fact, he's

1532
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 2: got a couple of houses and on Long Island, and

1533
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 2: his house was being renovated, but it had been renovated

1534
01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:59,640
Speaker 2: for about three years. And so when we had him

1535
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 2: on the program, I said, a ureno's done. He goes, No,

1536
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 2: They're never over, and they just keep going and going. Anyway,

1537
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 2: They're finally finished, and he put his house on the

1538
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 2: market literally the other day. I discovered this by accident

1539
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 2: as well. It is absolutely gob smackingly beautiful.

1540
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 14: Has he put the seventy seven inch in the shoe

1541
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 14: room or.

1542
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 2: I don't know where he's put a seventy seven inch?

1543
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 2: But I tell you what it is. It's on a peninsula,

1544
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 2: it's got a lot of land, it's got a beautiful

1545
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 2: pool looking over the ocean. It's in an old style

1546
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 2: of architecture, brick architecture, and it's all yours for fifty

1547
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,679
Speaker 2: million US. But even when you look at it, even

1548
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,600
Speaker 2: at fifty million US, when you look at it, you go,

1549
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 2: you know what, it's probably worth it. It's that good

1550
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 2: a house. Where was I? Anyway? So this highly stylized

1551
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:49,799
Speaker 2: start to the program. He's taking the train. He takes

1552
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 2: the train each time to Mediicine Square Garden to do

1553
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 2: the concert because he used to take a helicopter. But

1554
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 2: then he got into trouble with a helicopter because he

1555
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,599
Speaker 2: got he struck some turbulence and he got so freaked

1556
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 2: out he said, I'm never taking a helicopter ever again.

1557
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 2: I'm going to take a train. And so he does,

1558
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 2: and they're in the Billy Joel Stories twenty two.

1559
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 1: To nine International correspondence with insitn Eye Insurance Peace of

1560
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 1: Mind for New Zealand Business.

1561
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 2: Now I look little not though, and I look forward

1562
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 2: to you every time we talk, Rod. But this morning

1563
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 2: a good morning, first of all, But this morning, how

1564
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:21,640
Speaker 2: exciting is this vote that yesterday.

1565
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 15: You had very exciting?

1566
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 2: You know, you had a surprise leader, and now the

1567
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 2: surprise leader's gone.

1568
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 15: Yes indeed, and a bit of chicaney has been applied

1569
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 15: I think by people who supported Amie Olafunto. Added Gookie Badenoch,

1570
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 15: who is almost certain to become the next leader of

1571
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:47,719
Speaker 15: the Conservative Party, a middle class girl from a middle

1572
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 15: class Nigerian background in Southwest London, who has worked in science,

1573
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 15: primarily as a computer engineer, and is regarded as being

1574
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 15: a little bit prickly, but also very competent and is

1575
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 15: unquestionably this is the important point, I suppose, on the

1576
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 15: right of the party. Certainly socially, she is a social

1577
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:18,640
Speaker 15: conservative as you would imagine people from a Nigerian or

1578
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 15: gun Ayan or West African background might be. So this

1579
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 15: is bad news firstly for Keir Starmer because of all

1580
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:31,679
Speaker 15: the candidates who were lined up possibly to replace Richie

1581
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 15: Sunaka's leader, she's the one who will cause the most

1582
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 15: damage of the dispatch Box partners with her intellect, of course,

1583
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:43,799
Speaker 15: because she's combative and she knows her brief Partly also

1584
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 15: because once again the Conservative Party has shown that it

1585
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 15: is capable of electing people from people of color to

1586
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 15: positions of very very high authority in the party. That's

1587
01:18:56,920 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 15: the second consecutive leader a third if you mistrust who

1588
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 15: to all intents and purposes, did look like a white

1589
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 15: middle class lady from the Home Counties who was actually

1590
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 15: from the planet Sark, which is in a spiral arm

1591
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 15: of the Andromeda galaxy. So she is actually the third,

1592
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 15: the second black leader of the party, and I suspect

1593
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 15: will do very well. Now I say that she's almost

1594
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 15: certain to become I think that when this vote goes

1595
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 15: out to the activists and the party, she will crush

1596
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:37,599
Speaker 15: Robert Jenerck very very easily. Indeed, But one always has

1597
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 15: to bear in mind that the Conservative Party is a

1598
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 15: bizarre convocation of human beings and that the surprise could occur.

1599
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:48,600
Speaker 15: But to all intents and purposes, she will be the

1600
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 15: next leader.

1601
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 2: Okay, so just work me through what's happened the last

1602
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 2: twenty four hours. So Generic leads pretty much until the

1603
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 2: vote before yesterday. He led the whole time, so he

1604
01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 2: was the alleged hot favorite cleverly to the leader lipped

1605
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 2: into the lead yesterday. The skulduggery or whatever has gone on.

1606
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:10,560
Speaker 2: What went on for suddenly Bedterock to be there or thereabouts,

1607
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 2: but they now suddenly boomed this she as the leader.

1608
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 15: I'm a decent friend of someone who ran Badanock's campaign,

1609
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:21,719
Speaker 15: and I remember talking to him five or six weeks

1610
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 15: ago and saying, my guess is that it gets to

1611
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 15: the final two and that will be Badenoch, Badenoch versus Generic,

1612
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 15: and Badenock wins. And he said yes, unless she gets

1613
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 15: kicked out. Well, it's down to four people, three or

1614
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 15: four people, and that was the thing they had to

1615
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 15: guard against. So I think what clearly happened, and this

1616
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 15: is whether she Canery was involved, was that people who

1617
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 15: would have voted for Badanock in the last round transferred

1618
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 15: their votes to Cleverly, James Cleverly, who was the kind

1619
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 15: of aimable, comfortable center candidate, also of course from an

1620
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 15: ethnic minority background, right, and that they then switched them

1621
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 15: back very very rapidly today. And so for a couple

1622
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 15: of days, you know, we've been saying James clever has

1623
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 15: come from nowhere, he's the man to lead the party. No,

1624
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 15: he really isn't. And it never occurred to me really

1625
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 15: that he would win.

1626
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:28,600
Speaker 2: Okay, then, having said that, and just to explain to

1627
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:30,680
Speaker 2: people who haven't followed this closely, this has all been

1628
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 2: in the realms of the MP's as you say, it

1629
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 2: goes to the party members if they pervade knock. Are

1630
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 2: the MP's and the party members in unison and universally happy.

1631
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 15: Not entirely, No, there will be a large rump of

1632
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 15: the Conservative Party which objects to the stridency of Kenny

1633
01:21:51,360 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 15: Badeno's rightish concerns, particularly on social issues, particularly on so

1634
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 15: for example, she very much upset the apple cart earlier

1635
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 15: in her campaign where she said that she didn't agree

1636
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 15: with some of the welfare payments to within and she

1637
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 15: is very much you know, traditional family, traditional gender ideologies,

1638
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 15: sexual ideology. She is very much of that trunch which

1639
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 15: exists within the West African community but also exists very

1640
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:34,599
Speaker 15: very strongly within a large proportion of the Conservative community

1641
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 15: in this country.

1642
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 2: Being reported this morning in the Australian media that Starmer,

1643
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 2: who I am assuming was going given the Kings going

1644
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:46,639
Speaker 2: to Chogham and Samoa, was going with the King's canceled

1645
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 2: a trip to Australia because the miss that he's created

1646
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 2: for himself is so severely coountiful to be out of

1647
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 2: the country.

1648
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:58,760
Speaker 15: Is that fear, Yeah, I think that is. For it

1649
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 15: is remarked the ball that a party which has such

1650
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 15: a huge majority can now find itself only one point

1651
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:09,639
Speaker 15: ahead in the opinion polls, and with Keir Starmer, who's

1652
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 15: great plaim hitherto was that he never succumbed to press

1653
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 15: pressure and sacks anybody and gets rid of his chief

1654
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 15: of staff is most important appointment. So he is in

1655
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:23,799
Speaker 15: real trouble. And as I mentioned, I think last week

1656
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 15: on the program to header you know, my own party

1657
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 15: leader gave him a ten percent chance of leading Labor

1658
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 15: at the next election. I think that's maybe especially a

1659
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 15: bit far, but I wouldn't put it much more than

1660
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 15: thirty percent.

1661
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 2: Wow, all right, might go well, well, catch up next week.

1662
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Rod little that reference. At one point he

1663
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 2: refers to as the more uncommon survey that came out yesterday.

1664
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 2: Labor on twenty nine, Conservatives twenty eight, Reform nineteen lib

1665
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 2: DIMSI Live in the Greens on seven eight forty five.

1666
01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 1: The Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on High Heart

1667
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:02,479
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1668
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Speaker 2: A bit of work has been done. One of the

1669
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 2: reasons that Stars in so much trouble at the moment,

1670
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 2: as he promised to tax a whole lot of rich

1671
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 2: people more money, and he was going to shuffle it

1672
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:12,680
Speaker 2: all off in high nurses and doctors and all that

1673
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:14,639
Speaker 2: labour sort of stuff that they're into. But they've worked

1674
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 2: out that all the rich people are going to leave

1675
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 2: the country. So a number of people have been doing

1676
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:20,719
Speaker 2: work on this. They've worked out that there are sixty

1677
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 2: individuals that have an income annually of at least fifty

1678
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 2: million pounds per year, and that the amount of money

1679
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 2: that they collectively would contribute is in excess of three

1680
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 2: billion dollars or three billion pounds as it were.

1681
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 10: Now.

1682
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 2: The problem with that is if they leave the country,

1683
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 2: which they're more than entitled and easily can do because

1684
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 2: wealthy people are very mobile, of course, that would leave

1685
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 2: the country short of a lot of money. This from

1686
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:47,679
Speaker 2: the Institute of Fiscal Studies. They said the Treasury needed

1687
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:49,759
Speaker 2: to be aware that a small number of the super

1688
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 2: rich group leaving the country would create a relatively big

1689
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:55,719
Speaker 2: hole in the finances. So the total income tax receipt

1690
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:58,799
Speaker 2: for Britain's two hundred twenty five billion pounds, the sixty people,

1691
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:01,599
Speaker 2: just sixty of them who make more than fifty million

1692
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 2: pounds a year, make up just zero point zero zero

1693
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 2: zero two percent of taxpayers. Because there were thirty three

1694
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:12,719
Speaker 2: million taxpayers, but together they paid one point four percent

1695
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:14,599
Speaker 2: of the total income tax receipts the same all over

1696
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 2: the world. The wealthy payer greater percentage, but nevertheless that's

1697
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 2: disproportionately high in that particular part of the world. Mike,

1698
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 2: a few weeks ago you were comparing yourself to an

1699
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 2: Australian radio host. It wasn't It was a television host

1700
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 2: who chucked in the towel, and you explained your strength

1701
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 2: as just turning up and I think you do more

1702
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 2: than that. But maybe you're the Nick Willis of radio.

1703
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:31,920
Speaker 2: It's very nice of me to say. This person was

1704
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 2: Tony Armstrong, who had worked on the ABC Breakfast Show

1705
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 2: on television for the full three and a half years,

1706
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 2: and he'd decided that it was all a bit much

1707
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 2: for him. It was all a bit tiring and wearing

1708
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 2: him down and he needed to be a different person

1709
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 2: and so we quit. But longevity as the key, and

1710
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 2: I was talking to the boss about this just a

1711
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:48,799
Speaker 2: couple of months ago. It's a guy called John Laws

1712
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 2: and Australian radio, who's a legend who you retired. I

1713
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:54,719
Speaker 2: think from memory, I'm making this up a little bit retired.

1714
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 2: I think in twenty eleven, after many, many, many years

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Speaker 2: on the radio and fantastically success well, certainly one of

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01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 2: the biggest names ever in the history of Australian radio,

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01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:05,639
Speaker 2: retired in twenty eleven, came back three or four years

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01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:08,000
Speaker 2: later and has been on radio again for the last

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01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 2: seven or eight years. And then the other day, literally

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01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:11,799
Speaker 2: a couple of days ago, he out of the blue

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01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 2: read a text out on air from a guy who

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01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 2: just retired and said, no, I started listening to you

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01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 2: when I was fifteen years old, and I'm now sixty

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01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 2: five and I've just retired, and I'll be able to

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01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 2: listen to you more. And he said, well, as it

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01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 2: turns out, not for much longer. Because I'm retiring. I've

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01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 2: decided I think it's probably time to call it a date.

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01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 2: I want to be greedy, and I think the start

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Speaker 2: of November, as in like a couple of weeks time

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01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 2: will be it. And he will be celebrating in November

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01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:43,840
Speaker 2: seventy one years on Australian radio. And you can't argue

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01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 2: with that, can you? Night Away from nine.

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Speaker 1: The Mistle Breakfast with News.

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Speaker 10: Talk, says Mike.

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01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 2: If I agree with you, we'd both be wrong. It's Dylan.

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01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 2: This goes back to Malcolm Gladwell and who's better Dylan

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01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:57,599
Speaker 2: and Simon. I'm glad he came and if you can

1738
01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 2: be bothered paying for it, Gladwell did this this in

1739
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 2: depth conversation podcast with Paul Simon, and it's well worth

1740
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 2: listening to because Paul Slimon is a sensationally deep, fascinating

1741
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 2: and I suspect extraordinarily bright individual and the way he

1742
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 2: thinks about the world and you can hear it in

1743
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 2: his lyrics is amazing. But if you look at Dylan,

1744
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:22,360
Speaker 2: and I'm a big fan of Dylan, but Dylan really

1745
01:27:22,439 --> 01:27:24,599
Speaker 2: is confined to the sixties. I mean, yes, he's done

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01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:26,600
Speaker 2: some work in the seven He's done some work, but

1747
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:30,240
Speaker 2: he's not current, whereas Paul Simon is current and seven

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01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 2: Psalms is a very good example of that. And Paul

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01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 2: Simon has evolved over the years. And if you're looking

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01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 2: at true greatness and you're comparing the two of them,

1751
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 2: you'd have to look at commercial success. I'd argue that

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01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 2: Paul Simon has been vastly more commercially successful over in

1753
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 2: a sustained period of time that Dylan has. He's been

1754
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 2: different in different genres over a sustained period of time,

1755
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 2: more so than Dylan has. I mean, they're both geniuses,

1756
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:53,639
Speaker 2: so it's an interesting debate they have. But speaking which

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01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 2: five to nine.

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01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:58,800
Speaker 1: Trending now Quill Chemist ware House the home of Big

1759
01:27:58,840 --> 01:27:59,919
Speaker 1: brand ftal Mens.

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01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 2: Got the biopic of Dylan. This caused real upset last

1761
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 2: night in the house. It's called a complete unknown and

1762
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:08,679
Speaker 2: apparently it's one of the years must see films.

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01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 5: You trapped all the way from Minnesota? Why is that?

1764
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 1: Let it catch a spark, little winds hit heavy on.

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01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 10: The board line? Who wrote this? He did?

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01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 14: Remember me? How about that John Bass?

1767
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 10: Folks?

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01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 14: Because he's pretty.

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01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 5: He sings pretty mean.

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01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 1: Ones, maybe love two, pretty true love.

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01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:38,640
Speaker 13: Your signs are like an oil painting and the dentist's office.

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01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 5: You're kind of an asshole, Bob.

1773
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:44,679
Speaker 2: If you go with snow face arm.

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01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 5: I hear Bob is playing electric.

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01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 11: It's not a lot of stage, Isn't he just funny

1776
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 11: singing blowing in the land for the rest of my

1777
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 11: God damn Lafe.

1778
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:58,120
Speaker 2: I don't know this to be true, but my wife,

1779
01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:00,120
Speaker 2: who knows a lot more about stuff than I, to

1780
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:02,920
Speaker 2: inform me Bob doesn't like this, and nor should he

1781
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 2: because Timothy Chamalay is playing Bob, and Timothy Chamalay is

1782
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 2: a charlatan. He's a lightweight, go nowhere, talentless clown.

1783
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 14: What about Timothy Challo.

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01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 2: May Chamalay, challow may Shamla mala Malay. He's he's a

1785
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:22,760
Speaker 2: go nowhere and Bob's not head.

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01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 14: He's never gonna catch on that that that Challo May.

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01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 2: Guy, no, because he did what was the one he

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01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 2: did that people thought he liked recently? We had this

1789
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 2: discussion last so he wasn't something that people thought was

1790
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 2: relatively good. But June no, it wasn't. It was much

1791
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 2: more commercial than that. Something said, what don't you play?

1792
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:39,719
Speaker 2: Give me some of his parts?

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01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 14: Well, he's been in everything lately. He's been like like

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01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:43,520
Speaker 14: every second film.

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01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 2: Give me give me the last one? Who was it?

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01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 2: So you can't even name a single party he's been

1797
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:53,640
Speaker 2: him Wonka it was. He was quite good in that apparently.

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01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 2: But anyway, upshot is she doesn't think he's up to much.

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01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 2: He's no Bob Dylan, and Bob Dylan says he's no

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Speaker 2: Bob Dylan. And on that note, we wish you were happy.

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