1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Tame podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:11,693 Speaker 1: from News Talks at Me. 3 00:00:12,733 --> 00:00:16,533 Speaker 2: Kyle Pushman is here with this week's screen time picks 4 00:00:16,573 --> 00:00:19,053 Speaker 2: shows to watch or stream from the comfort of your 5 00:00:19,173 --> 00:00:22,693 Speaker 2: catch gid A Carl Hi, Jack. Hey, let's start off 6 00:00:22,773 --> 00:00:28,173 Speaker 2: with the keenly anticipated reality check inside America's Next Top Model, 7 00:00:28,213 --> 00:00:29,693 Speaker 2: which is streaming on Netflix. 8 00:00:30,573 --> 00:00:32,253 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's been a bit of a trend recently to 9 00:00:32,373 --> 00:00:35,813 Speaker 3: deep dive into those naughties era reality shows that we 10 00:00:35,893 --> 00:00:38,773 Speaker 3: all remember. Last year was Fit for TV The Reality 11 00:00:38,813 --> 00:00:41,493 Speaker 3: of the Biggest Loser, and now this three part series 12 00:00:41,533 --> 00:00:43,533 Speaker 3: goes beyond the glamour to reveal what was really going 13 00:00:43,573 --> 00:00:46,813 Speaker 3: on behind the scenes of what was arguably the biggest 14 00:00:46,853 --> 00:00:50,013 Speaker 3: reality juggernaut of that era. For such a frivolous topic, 15 00:00:50,053 --> 00:00:52,893 Speaker 3: America's Next Top Model was a hot mess of controversy, 16 00:00:53,133 --> 00:00:55,173 Speaker 3: most of it's stemming from its host, series creator and 17 00:00:55,333 --> 00:00:57,813 Speaker 3: X Top Model Tyra Banks, but a lot of it 18 00:00:57,853 --> 00:01:02,053 Speaker 3: to also do with the production of the series itself 19 00:01:02,093 --> 00:01:06,493 Speaker 3: and how little it actually cared about its contestants. Arra 20 00:01:06,573 --> 00:01:08,973 Speaker 3: Banks's credit, she does face up to the documentary makers. 21 00:01:09,173 --> 00:01:12,333 Speaker 3: She sort of swaps between her breathless TV speech patterns 22 00:01:12,413 --> 00:01:14,813 Speaker 3: and also just talking normally like a normal human being, 23 00:01:14,893 --> 00:01:17,533 Speaker 3: depending on the line of questioning she's facing at the time. 24 00:01:18,453 --> 00:01:20,813 Speaker 3: The intentions behind the series, which ran for a decade, 25 00:01:20,973 --> 00:01:23,213 Speaker 3: was watched by over one hundred million people at its peak, 26 00:01:23,253 --> 00:01:26,133 Speaker 3: which is insanely massive and even spawned our own local 27 00:01:26,213 --> 00:01:30,253 Speaker 3: version here you might remember, We're initially honorable. She relates 28 00:01:30,253 --> 00:01:32,893 Speaker 3: how important it was for her that there was ethnic 29 00:01:32,933 --> 00:01:35,973 Speaker 3: diversity between the contestants, and how she really wanted to 30 00:01:36,053 --> 00:01:39,253 Speaker 3: challenge the conventional norms of what was considered beautiful at 31 00:01:39,293 --> 00:01:42,293 Speaker 3: the time. To that end, the show's producer describes a 32 00:01:42,373 --> 00:01:44,893 Speaker 3: meeting with a network Big Cheese, one of the most 33 00:01:44,893 --> 00:01:48,213 Speaker 3: powerful men of Hollywood, when and watching mortified as Banks 34 00:01:48,213 --> 00:01:50,813 Speaker 3: got into a heated and passionate argument with him because 35 00:01:50,813 --> 00:01:52,733 Speaker 3: he didn't want to have a Latina contestant on the 36 00:01:52,773 --> 00:01:56,653 Speaker 3: show before the show was even greenlit. It's worth noting 37 00:01:56,653 --> 00:02:00,053 Speaker 3: that Banks did lose that fight. She's there and it's 38 00:02:00,133 --> 00:02:03,013 Speaker 3: quite an interesting story seeing how that she made this 39 00:02:03,293 --> 00:02:07,413 Speaker 3: vision happen. Along with Banks. The you remember is mostly 40 00:02:07,453 --> 00:02:09,933 Speaker 3: all here. The two jayswalk trainer Miss Jay and the 41 00:02:09,933 --> 00:02:12,573 Speaker 3: creative director j Manuel are both on hand to discuss 42 00:02:12,613 --> 00:02:15,253 Speaker 3: how rare it was to have queer representation in that era, 43 00:02:15,773 --> 00:02:17,653 Speaker 3: and also not so quietly revel in the fact that 44 00:02:17,653 --> 00:02:21,493 Speaker 3: their double act was more popular than Tyra Banks. The photographer, 45 00:02:21,533 --> 00:02:24,013 Speaker 3: Nigel Barker also pops up to cheerfully admit he was 46 00:02:24,053 --> 00:02:26,653 Speaker 3: only there as a token straight white male and as 47 00:02:26,733 --> 00:02:30,613 Speaker 3: network man dated eye candy for the viewership. But despite 48 00:02:30,613 --> 00:02:33,613 Speaker 3: whatever honorable intentions Banks claims to have had, the show 49 00:02:33,693 --> 00:02:37,533 Speaker 3: did quickly become a toxic environment filled with bullying, exploitation, 50 00:02:37,613 --> 00:02:40,853 Speaker 3: and mean girl behavior on screen. And the documentary goes 51 00:02:40,893 --> 00:02:44,813 Speaker 3: into all of that. The former contestants all get their 52 00:02:44,893 --> 00:02:47,493 Speaker 3: chance to tell their sides of the stories, and there's 53 00:02:47,533 --> 00:02:51,493 Speaker 3: a lot of tears and horrific stories coming through compared 54 00:02:51,493 --> 00:02:55,533 Speaker 3: to the cheerful recollections of the hosts. More often than not, 55 00:02:55,733 --> 00:02:58,453 Speaker 3: their time on Top Model was downright ugly, and they 56 00:02:58,493 --> 00:03:02,813 Speaker 3: tell you all about it. So it's a very compelling documentary. 57 00:03:03,053 --> 00:03:06,373 Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds great, it sounds really interesting. It sounds great, 58 00:03:06,493 --> 00:03:08,853 Speaker 2: and that it's managed to first of all get input 59 00:03:09,093 --> 00:03:11,093 Speaker 2: from the likes of Tyra Banks and the other stars 60 00:03:11,133 --> 00:03:14,013 Speaker 2: of that show, but also to try and to try 61 00:03:14,013 --> 00:03:17,933 Speaker 2: and balance, you know, some of the arguably more honorable 62 00:03:17,933 --> 00:03:20,493 Speaker 2: components of the show. It's just amazing though in the 63 00:03:20,493 --> 00:03:23,253 Speaker 2: same way that you know, when we watched the like 64 00:03:23,293 --> 00:03:26,173 Speaker 2: I went back and watched the Biggest Loser documentary last 65 00:03:26,253 --> 00:03:28,093 Speaker 2: year for what was it called Funning Fits or something 66 00:03:28,173 --> 00:03:34,093 Speaker 2: like that, what was it called can you remember ye TV? Yeah, 67 00:03:34,133 --> 00:03:38,093 Speaker 2: and it's like, oh my god, this was okay, Like 68 00:03:38,173 --> 00:03:40,213 Speaker 2: we allowed this to go on TV like no one 69 00:03:40,413 --> 00:03:42,093 Speaker 2: really bad and much of an eyelid. I'm sure there 70 00:03:42,133 --> 00:03:44,213 Speaker 2: was a bit of criticism at the time, but largely 71 00:03:44,373 --> 00:03:48,253 Speaker 2: just it's a it's a good reminder of how in 72 00:03:48,293 --> 00:03:53,653 Speaker 2: a relatively short period of time, cultural norms and standards change. 73 00:03:54,253 --> 00:03:57,893 Speaker 2: And I think, yeah, it could be quite shocking, you think, 74 00:03:57,893 --> 00:03:59,893 Speaker 2: because you know, there's only ten or fifteen years ago 75 00:03:59,933 --> 00:04:03,933 Speaker 2: and it's totally by today's standards, it's totally in appropriate. 76 00:04:04,053 --> 00:04:06,253 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's that's the big takeaway from this, 77 00:04:06,533 --> 00:04:09,413 Speaker 3: because there are some some of the bigger controversies, which 78 00:04:09,413 --> 00:04:13,013 Speaker 3: we won't go into now, they are shown here, and 79 00:04:13,053 --> 00:04:16,773 Speaker 3: the effect on the people involved are shown, and there 80 00:04:16,813 --> 00:04:19,093 Speaker 3: is just no way any of that would fly, let 81 00:04:19,133 --> 00:04:22,813 Speaker 3: alone the bullying and the discussing how they were discussed 82 00:04:22,893 --> 00:04:26,293 Speaker 3: on screen. The contestants. It's it's a yeah, it would. 83 00:04:26,013 --> 00:04:29,773 Speaker 2: Not fly the body standard stuff a especially you know 84 00:04:30,293 --> 00:04:33,333 Speaker 2: these women who are you know, incredibly slight being described 85 00:04:33,373 --> 00:04:37,373 Speaker 2: as overweight and stuff like that, just totally chubby and yeah, 86 00:04:37,693 --> 00:04:41,173 Speaker 2: just like anyway. 87 00:04:40,453 --> 00:04:43,413 Speaker 3: It really is. So it is a good reminder that things, 88 00:04:43,493 --> 00:04:45,773 Speaker 3: no matter how bad things feel we have, there has 89 00:04:45,813 --> 00:04:46,533 Speaker 3: been some progression. 90 00:04:46,653 --> 00:04:48,693 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, things, things have certainly changed. Yeah, so that 91 00:04:48,733 --> 00:04:51,533 Speaker 2: sounds really interesting. So that's reality check Inside America's Next 92 00:04:51,533 --> 00:04:54,653 Speaker 2: Top Model. It's streaming on Netflix, streaming on Prime Video. 93 00:04:54,933 --> 00:04:56,413 Speaker 2: Tell us about Man on the Run. 94 00:04:57,333 --> 00:04:59,813 Speaker 3: Well, the last few years have been great. I've been 95 00:04:59,853 --> 00:05:02,933 Speaker 3: fab for Beatles fans. So Pete released his astoundingly epic 96 00:05:03,013 --> 00:05:06,333 Speaker 3: eight hour hangout documentary Get Back. There was the remark 97 00:05:06,493 --> 00:05:09,693 Speaker 3: did re release of the nineties Beatles anthology trilogy, and 98 00:05:09,733 --> 00:05:12,773 Speaker 3: just last year Mardin Scool Safey produced documentary movie Beatles 99 00:05:12,813 --> 00:05:15,493 Speaker 3: sixty four came out. This new one, Man on the Run, 100 00:05:15,573 --> 00:05:18,293 Speaker 3: takes a different tack. It focuses on Bassis Paul McCartney's 101 00:05:18,333 --> 00:05:21,293 Speaker 3: life in the aftermath of the band's breakup and the 102 00:05:21,333 --> 00:05:24,053 Speaker 3: formation of his follow up band Wings. This was most 103 00:05:24,133 --> 00:05:27,733 Speaker 3: famously described by Steve Coogan's comic creation Alan Partridge as 104 00:05:27,853 --> 00:05:29,853 Speaker 3: only the band the Beatles could have been, which I 105 00:05:29,893 --> 00:05:32,933 Speaker 3: think is a great line. Now, Wings went without their hits. 106 00:05:33,093 --> 00:05:35,453 Speaker 3: They had Jet to Live and Let Die the entire 107 00:05:35,493 --> 00:05:38,453 Speaker 3: band on the Run album, but they're also responsible for 108 00:05:38,733 --> 00:05:41,813 Speaker 3: a ton of clangers like bit Pop and the awful 109 00:05:41,933 --> 00:05:45,453 Speaker 3: atrocious Mary Had a Little Lamb. McCartney was quite lost 110 00:05:45,493 --> 00:05:48,973 Speaker 3: during this era, and the documentary shows the effect that 111 00:05:49,013 --> 00:05:51,053 Speaker 3: the breakup had on him. He retreated up into the 112 00:05:51,093 --> 00:05:54,413 Speaker 3: Highlands on his farm and he found himself wanting that 113 00:05:54,733 --> 00:05:58,133 Speaker 3: family camaraderie of a band that close family feeling that 114 00:05:58,213 --> 00:06:01,853 Speaker 3: he once felt, so he started to put together Wings. 115 00:06:02,173 --> 00:06:04,773 Speaker 3: But as the docco shows, everyone involved was well aware 116 00:06:04,813 --> 00:06:06,613 Speaker 3: that there was a beetle in their mists, so the 117 00:06:06,653 --> 00:06:11,213 Speaker 3: band's democracy was not as democratic as perhaps he idealized 118 00:06:11,253 --> 00:06:13,773 Speaker 3: it to be. As expected, there is a ton of 119 00:06:13,813 --> 00:06:17,813 Speaker 3: amazing archival footage and never seen before photos things like that, 120 00:06:18,133 --> 00:06:20,653 Speaker 3: and McCartney is pretty candid. He reflects on his beef 121 00:06:20,693 --> 00:06:23,493 Speaker 3: with former songwriting partner and ex bestie John Lennon. He 122 00:06:23,493 --> 00:06:25,133 Speaker 3: talks about the time he threw a bucket at a 123 00:06:25,173 --> 00:06:29,013 Speaker 3: pepparazzi photographer and made it fan his farm, talks about 124 00:06:29,013 --> 00:06:31,253 Speaker 3: almost drowning on holiday, as the rest in Japan for 125 00:06:31,293 --> 00:06:34,293 Speaker 3: smuggling pot into the country, all sorts of those topics 126 00:06:34,293 --> 00:06:35,813 Speaker 3: and touch point we've all heard about, but now we 127 00:06:35,853 --> 00:06:39,813 Speaker 3: get to hear him recollecting about. There's also other voices 128 00:06:39,893 --> 00:06:42,573 Speaker 3: his late wife and the McCartney is present throughout as 129 00:06:42,853 --> 00:06:45,733 Speaker 3: former Wings members talking about how they felt initially and 130 00:06:45,773 --> 00:06:48,293 Speaker 3: then how their experiences kind of sailed a little bit. 131 00:06:48,573 --> 00:06:52,173 Speaker 3: Sean Lennon turns up McJagger, people like that, and it's 132 00:06:52,173 --> 00:06:56,453 Speaker 3: all through new and archival interviews. None of them are 133 00:06:56,453 --> 00:06:59,453 Speaker 3: seen on screen. It does that familiar trope now where 134 00:06:59,533 --> 00:07:02,093 Speaker 3: you just hear the voices sort of talking as footage 135 00:07:02,173 --> 00:07:05,293 Speaker 3: plays out, but it's still very compelling. At around two hours, 136 00:07:05,333 --> 00:07:07,213 Speaker 3: it does cover a lot of ground, but like most 137 00:07:07,293 --> 00:07:11,133 Speaker 3: dockers of this type, it's more a loose overview as 138 00:07:11,173 --> 00:07:15,253 Speaker 3: it quickly goes through all these touch points. As a 139 00:07:15,253 --> 00:07:18,453 Speaker 3: big Beatles fan, there was some new stuff that was 140 00:07:18,493 --> 00:07:20,333 Speaker 3: revealed to me, but I would have liked a little 141 00:07:20,373 --> 00:07:25,333 Speaker 3: bit more in depth examination to those big, bigger points 142 00:07:25,413 --> 00:07:27,613 Speaker 3: that does talk about, like his solo albums RAM being 143 00:07:27,653 --> 00:07:29,093 Speaker 3: a flop and how that affected him you know, it's 144 00:07:29,093 --> 00:07:31,493 Speaker 3: a great album making McCartney one and two, which are 145 00:07:31,613 --> 00:07:34,733 Speaker 3: really really good. So it's great, but I would have 146 00:07:34,853 --> 00:07:37,013 Speaker 3: liked certain moments just to get a little bit in depth. 147 00:07:37,053 --> 00:07:39,893 Speaker 3: You know, we were sort of spoilt by that Sir 148 00:07:39,933 --> 00:07:43,093 Speaker 3: Pete's get back. That was just amazing. So now that's 149 00:07:43,173 --> 00:07:44,973 Speaker 3: that's that the bar has been set. But of course 150 00:07:45,173 --> 00:07:46,973 Speaker 3: eight hours, it's hard for anything to. 151 00:07:46,893 --> 00:07:49,853 Speaker 4: Really connect with Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, it sounds good though, 152 00:07:49,853 --> 00:07:53,413 Speaker 4: I mean, and one for one, for like the Beatles 153 00:07:53,453 --> 00:07:56,133 Speaker 4: fans might still find themselves pleasantly surprised by seeing some 154 00:07:56,173 --> 00:07:57,373 Speaker 4: new images and that kind of thing. 155 00:07:58,093 --> 00:07:59,933 Speaker 3: Yes, and all the stuff of him talking about has 156 00:07:59,973 --> 00:08:02,893 Speaker 3: beef with Linen and there how they made up. And 157 00:08:02,973 --> 00:08:05,853 Speaker 3: there's also you know interviews that I had before of 158 00:08:05,933 --> 00:08:08,653 Speaker 3: lenin to talking about their fighting and they're getting back 159 00:08:08,653 --> 00:08:10,493 Speaker 3: and how they were still like brothers and you know, 160 00:08:10,533 --> 00:08:12,293 Speaker 3: things like that. So there is a lot there, and 161 00:08:12,773 --> 00:08:14,533 Speaker 3: I would recommend it for Beagles fans and also to 162 00:08:14,893 --> 00:08:18,173 Speaker 3: someone curious to see what that period was like and 163 00:08:18,213 --> 00:08:19,733 Speaker 3: how one of the biggest rock stars in the world 164 00:08:19,693 --> 00:08:23,533 Speaker 3: suddenly found himself adrift and out of step with musically, 165 00:08:23,573 --> 00:08:26,333 Speaker 3: what was happening at the time and occasionally getting it right, 166 00:08:26,413 --> 00:08:29,693 Speaker 3: but often getting it quite wrong as well. It's very fascinating. 167 00:08:29,813 --> 00:08:31,893 Speaker 2: Okay, good, So that's Man on the Run. That's on 168 00:08:31,973 --> 00:08:34,853 Speaker 2: Prime Video. Carl's first pick for us was Reality Check 169 00:08:34,893 --> 00:08:38,773 Speaker 2: Inside America's Next Top Model, which is on Netflix, and 170 00:08:38,813 --> 00:08:41,653 Speaker 2: both of those will be up on our website. 171 00:08:41,693 --> 00:08:44,773 Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live 172 00:08:44,853 --> 00:08:47,653 Speaker 1: to news talks he'd be from nine am Saturday, or 173 00:08:47,773 --> 00:08:49,653 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.