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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty.

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Speaker 2: Find your one.

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Speaker 3: Of the kind rich pickings for the Huddle today. David

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Speaker 3: Farres with us Kievi blog Polster. Hi David and Stuart Nash,

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Speaker 3: former Labor Party ministers here too.

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Speaker 2: Hey Stuart, how are you mate?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm well, thank you. Good to have you guys.

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Speaker 4: On.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with Winston sacking Phil Stuart had to happen, right.

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Speaker 2: Well, it kind of did, right.

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Speaker 5: I mean, your Phil Goff's a form of minister fore

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Speaker 5: he gets this game.

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Speaker 2: But you know the world has changed. You know, you've

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Speaker 2: got it. You've got Zelenski going in the White House

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Speaker 2: and getting getting a new arsehole ripped. The world has changed.

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Speaker 2: You've just got to be very, very careful what you

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Speaker 2: say these days.

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Speaker 5: Phil would have known that Winston is one of the

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Speaker 5: best foreign ministers I think we've ever had, and highly

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Speaker 5: respected globally.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he had a choice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the stakes are too high, David.

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Speaker 1: Look, I mean Trump could read this and stick a

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Speaker 1: three five percent tariff on.

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Speaker 6: New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Off.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is how foreign policy is now.

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Speaker 1: Bake the trouble with Phil GoF how I feel but

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Speaker 1: sorry for is he's a former politician, and he was

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Speaker 1: asking as a politician, not as a diplomat. A professional

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Speaker 1: diplomat would never have asked a question like that.

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Speaker 2: But he did actually say that.

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Speaker 5: He was identified himself as Zeale High Commissioner, so you

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Speaker 5: know he I think he might have known what he

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Speaker 5: was doing. But Phil's passionate about life, you know, especially

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Speaker 5: about everything, and I just think working himself.

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Speaker 3: David, to your point, should we be appointing former politicians

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Speaker 3: to be diplomats only in.

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Speaker 1: Very rare cases certain times. The one exception is probably Washington.

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Speaker 2: D C.

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Speaker 1: Because there are former politicians of real status outside there.

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Speaker 1: I think your best to generally stick with the professional elements.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we could have done with one today, I think,

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Speaker 3: And and I guess everyone now is on notice, every

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Speaker 3: diplomat around the world, be very careful what you say

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Speaker 3: about Donald Trump, because the bar is very low for

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Speaker 3: being fired. Stuart Beow screening. The age has been lowered

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Speaker 3: for everyone from sixty to fifty eight, but it means

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Speaker 3: that the funding has come from a targeted program that

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Speaker 3: was meant that those over fifty who are Maloria PACIFICA

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Speaker 3: could get it. Now the net effect means that we

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Speaker 3: save one hundred and seventy eight extra lives, So is

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Speaker 3: that not a better use of funding.

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Speaker 5: Look, I read this with a little bit of skeptics.

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Speaker 5: The reason I say that is we know that Marion

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Speaker 5: Pacifica end up with bell cancer's far more prevalently than

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Speaker 5: the rest of New Zealand. There are times, and there

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Speaker 5: are places where you've got to have targeted interventions, and

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Speaker 5: I think this is one of those times. I think

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Speaker 5: this is pure politics, and I don't think it's particularly good.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's particularly smart, and I think it'll

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Speaker 5: disadvantage our poor communities, of which Mary in Pacifica are

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Speaker 5: overrepresented in these stats.

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Speaker 4: David how does agree here Marian and Pacifica are over represented,

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Speaker 4: but not because there's some genetic shape which makes them

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Speaker 4: sospihetical bow cancer.

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Speaker 1: It's because there's other factors that work there. And the

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Speaker 1: current age of sixty, people can actually get screening before

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Speaker 4: I'm actually having one and.

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Speaker 7: A few weeks because there's clinical reasons.

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Speaker 1: So you only use things like races of proxy if

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Speaker 1: you have no individual data, and we do have individual

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day.

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Speaker 2: I think if a.

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Speaker 7: Fifty seven year old non Mari Pacifica gets bow cancer

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Speaker 7: and finds out he could have been prevented, but he

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Speaker 7: was the wrong race. Because you don't screen Europeans at

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Speaker 7: fifty seven agents and.

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Speaker 2: We do others.

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Speaker 1: You should only use race as a proxy when there's

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Speaker 7: Data available.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I tend to agree, because the other thing is

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Speaker 8: but then you would be on the list where you

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Speaker 3: Specially done right. So look, yeah, the blanket thing maybe

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Speaker 5: Using race purely as a proxy is not a good

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Speaker 2: I completely buy into that.

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Speaker 5: And there are mitigating factors, you know, diet, exercise, all

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Speaker 5: those things that we know about. But I just think

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Speaker 5: we need to deal with the reality of the situation

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Speaker 5: we find ourselves, and that as Marian Pacifica over represented

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Speaker 5: and those who end up with bell cancer over.

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Speaker 2: Other New Zealands, is there is a the data.

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Speaker 5: Does provide a case for screening targeted populations earlier than

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Speaker 5: the general population, And I think this is one of

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Speaker 5: those cases where we actually where the data does actually

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Speaker 5: back up Marian Pacifica at fifteen and the rest of us.

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Speaker 3: But you must accept then, don't you have to accept

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Speaker 3: that there will be an end Ian man or a

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Speaker 3: Chinese woman who will die because they couldn't get the

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Speaker 3: funding because you packed one race over another.

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Speaker 2: Well it's a very very tricky argument.

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Speaker 5: So what we're saying now is if you are marrying

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Speaker 5: Pacifica and you are under the age of fifty eight,

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Speaker 5: you will not get the funding for this.

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Speaker 2: Now there will inevitably.

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Speaker 5: Be marrying Pacifica men who will die, all women who

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Speaker 2: Look, this is a really really triquent.

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Speaker 5: What I would have done is actually I would have

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Speaker 5: dropped the screening down to fifty four. Everyone in Australia,

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Speaker 5: I think it's forty five. We know that screening works.

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Speaker 5: And when you talk about a blood test on your

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Speaker 5: kitchen table, I had one done for this exact same

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Speaker 5: within about eight hours. But it does work, and I

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Speaker 5: think encouraging people to get these sorts of tests is

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Speaker 5: really important taking it up to fifty eight for married

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Speaker 2: I just think you'll see more marin PACIFICA die that didn't.

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Speaker 3: David, do you have any final thoughts on this.

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Speaker 1: Earlier is the hit of courses with everything there is

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Speaker 1: a funding one, but I think at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day you can get screen before sixty or fifty

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Speaker 1: eight based on clinical factors and that's how it should be.

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Speaker 3: All Right, David Farrett and Stuart Nash are on the huddle.

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Speaker 3: We're back in a second, plenty more to discuss. We've

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Speaker 3: got a comment from Phil twyfe at about Destiny Church

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Speaker 3: another one and also Greg Forhan where's he going? What's

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Speaker 3: he doing? Did you know? By the way, just a

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Speaker 3: fun fact before we go to the break, what was

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Speaker 3: his salary at Walmart before he went to Air New

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Speaker 3: Zealand versus what is his salary now he's gone? He

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Speaker 3: went down, took a haircut from nineteen million down to

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Speaker 3: one point eight. News talks there, b you're on the

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Speaker 3: huddle with David Farrer and Stuart Nash. Welcome back, guys.

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Speaker 3: So Greg Foruran is out skis from in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: We've had a lot it feels like there's been a

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Speaker 3: lot this week. We've had Phil Goff being fired, Greg

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Speaker 3: Furan is out, Adrianara is out. I don't really know

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Speaker 3: what to say. Who do Who did the best job?

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Speaker 3: David Old Greg.

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Speaker 7: I didn't.

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Speaker 6: It's easier than In fact, they've heard the joke that

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Speaker 6: he's going to become reserved bank govern a Green high

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Speaker 6: commissioner to Luod, what do you reckons to it.

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Speaker 5: I'm a big fan of Big Friend. I think he's

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Speaker 5: done a fantastic job. You know, this is not a

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Speaker 5: man who needed the money he turned up. The week

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Speaker 5: stuck around. He doesn't need the money. The sealerate will

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Speaker 5: mute actually wasn't nineteen million. The salary was about one million,

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Speaker 5: but all his bonuses and.

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Speaker 3: Options yes, sorry.

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Speaker 5: No no, But what I mean is he gets that

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Speaker 5: for being successful. He is one of these kiwis that

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Speaker 5: has really excelled on the world stage.

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Speaker 2: I think we were very, very lucky to have him.

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Speaker 2: I disagreed with the av agent expert that you had

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Speaker 5: I think Grigg's done a good job. There are many

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Speaker 5: things outside of his control that means he's been tearing

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Speaker 2: I mean Rolls, Royce Engines, bloody hell.

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't have thought, I mean you're not. You know,

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Speaker 3: they don't look like or sound like cheap ones.

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Speaker 2: You know they don't. And current clubs, I mean I

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Speaker 5: I mean I've been flying up and down this country

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Speaker 5: in great condition. The service I get is absolutely fantastic.

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Speaker 2: I think Greg's done a good job and I wish

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Speaker 3: David with it when it comes to Adrian or do

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Speaker 1: I think you would find it difficult to work in

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Speaker 2: But also his men that did leave quite a few bruises.

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Speaker 1: On people, so I don't think to be as many

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Speaker 1: opportunities as otherwise. He can well end up though, just

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Speaker 2: Some financial boards etcca.

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Speaker 1: He was to be there from a very very good

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Speaker 3: Yes he was. He was this public facing role perhaps

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, David, maybe you should be the High Commissions

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Speaker 5: answer I have heard about aident's performance. I think he would.

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Speaker 5: You know, he is a very very smart man, but

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Speaker 5: I do not think that this role suited his temper

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Speaker 3: And yeah, somebody somebody said maybe there's a job going

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Speaker 3: at Otaga University with.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 5: I don't think Ryme would want him anywhere in there

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Speaker 3: Very good, all right? Just before we go, actually, Phil

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Speaker 3: Tryph has come out and said about Destiny Church, the

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Speaker 3: Man Up program. He's worried about the fact that the

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Speaker 3: courts are still sending people to this program. David. It

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Speaker 3: has been shown to have some success, but there's obviously

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Speaker 3: the whole problem with the protesting and people's opinions of

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Speaker 3: Destiny Church. What do you reckon?

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, the hypocripshy Phil government, which set may have

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Speaker 2: I don't think Stewart was probably a fan of that.

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Speaker 5: No, no, look, I didn't buy into that program in

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Speaker 5: think sending people with Disney get rehabilitated there, there's like

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Speaker 5: sending people of the Mungle Mob rehabilitated. But I'm not now,

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Speaker 5: with all respect to Brian Tomak, I'm not seducing.

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Speaker 2: Don't sue me. I'm not seducing you like the Mungo Mob.

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Speaker 5: But I just do not think this is an organization

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Speaker 5: that the police should be sending troubled used to.

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Speaker 3: All right, very I love that. The hypocrisy. It's like

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Speaker 3: today today I heard Tory Farno calling for Nick Leggett

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Speaker 3: to resign. I thought, what if we come to what

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Speaker 3: a weird such a weird week, We're hopefully we're all

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Speaker 3: still here by the end of it. That is David

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Speaker 3: Farah Kivy blog and Polter and Stewart Nash, former Labor

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Speaker 3: Party minister, on the Huddle.

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