1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: The issues is the interviews and the inside Andrew Dickens 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: Fawn early edition with one roof, make your property search simple, 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: News talks at me. 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: Well, good morning to you, Welcome to the new week. Yes, 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 2: I am back. Coming up over the next sixty minutes 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 2: in news that will surprise no one. The United Nations 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 2: finds GST disproportionately affects support, So is there anything we 8 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: need to do about it? And we'll have that story 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: for you in five. We've got orders on sport and 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 2: the drums are beating for Liam Lawson after only two races, 11 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 2: also Quz Wiley and as the public surface up to 12 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 2: improving their own performance and plotting their own future. We'll 13 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 2: talk to the PSA just before six. We'll have this news. 14 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 2: We'll have news as it breaks. We'll have correspondence from 15 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: around the world and around New Zealand. And you can 16 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 2: have your say as well by texting me on ninety 17 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: two ninety two, A small towns applies. It's seven minutes 18 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: out of five. 19 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: The agenda. 20 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 2: That is Monday, the twenty fourth of March. Pope Francis 21 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 2: has arrived back in the Vatican after spending five weeks 22 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 2: in hospital being treated for pneumonia. This is the moment 23 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 2: when the eighty eight year old made an appearance on 24 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 2: the balcony of the Gamelli Hospital in Rome, where crowds 25 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 2: of people gathered to see him just before he was discharged. 26 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 2: Nice They, like Frank, the Pope had been continuing to 27 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 2: work during his time in hospital, but doctors have said 28 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 2: he must take two months off full time work. Good 29 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 2: luck with that. 30 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 3: Imagine being eighty eight years old, being on life threatening 31 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 3: you know, having life threatening things every other day, and 32 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 3: still leading meetings, still taking executive decisions. 33 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 4: It's tenacious if nothing else too. 34 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: Israel and Gaza, more than fifty thousand Palestinians have been 35 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: killed during Israel's military campaign in Gaza. That is, according 36 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: to the territories he must run health ministry. That number 37 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 2: equates to round about two point one percent of the 38 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 2: two point three million pre war population of the territory, 39 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 2: or around one in forty six people in. 40 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 3: The United Nations believe that these figures issued by the 41 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 3: local health ministry in Gaza are considered reliable. Reports of 42 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 3: the number of bodies brought into hospitals and deaths cunted 43 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 3: by local health officials and at times the health officials 44 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 3: that have issued lists of all of those who've been 45 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 3: recorded that including their names. 46 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: And the main rival to Turkey's president Duwan has been 47 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: formally arrested and charged with corruption. Ekram immam om Sorry 48 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 2: Emma Marghlu, the mayor of Istanbul, is expected to be 49 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 2: selected as the opposition Republic People's Party's twenty twenty eight 50 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: presidential candidate. That ballot happens next week. He denies the allegations. 51 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 2: He says they're politically motivated and his attention has sparked 52 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: off some of the largest protests in more than a decade. 53 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 5: They will off. 54 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 6: The vaults have been actually snapped by the government. 55 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 7: We are almost losing to the democracy. 56 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 3: This is very important for us, for children, for feature. 57 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 2: And finally, in breaking news, over the past half hour, 58 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: we've had the news of Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney 59 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 2: is expected to hold a media conference at about five 60 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: thirty am our time, where he is expected to call 61 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: a snap election. If the election is called, the major 62 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: federal parties will enter a period of full swing campaigning 63 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,839 Speaker 2: that usually lasts about five to seven weeks. It's ten 64 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 2: out to five. 65 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: Get ahead of the headlines on early edition Andrew Dickens 66 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: and One Room, Make your Property Search Simple, news Talks. 67 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 2: It'd be well, it's nice to be back, and it's 68 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: nice that you're with me now. Last week I was 69 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: going to give you my thoughts on David Seymour and 70 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: the lunch program, but I ran out of time And 71 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: since then, Richard Prebble and Andrea Varance have come out 72 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: and they've echoed a lot of my thoughts. So what 73 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 2: is the best way to run things when it comes 74 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 2: to the school lunch program. There's a school in christ 75 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 2: Church who wants to opt out of the whole thing, 76 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: but they've been denied permission by David Seymour. And they're 77 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: not the first a school and Huntley also tried to 78 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: opt out until they rebellion by parents. But let's talk 79 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 2: about this christ Church school. It's the Hyata Community Campus 80 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,679 Speaker 2: in christ Church and it's quite different. It's a new school. 81 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 2: Its facilities are extraordinary. They teach from year one to thirteen. 82 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: They preach educational excellence and they have a services program 83 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 2: designed by the Ministry of Education and the Defense Forces 84 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 2: at Burnham and they have an amazing sports program. This 85 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 2: is a great school. They also have a purpose built 86 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 2: commercial kitchen. They need the lunches because they're dealing with 87 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 2: a big cohort of underprivileged kids. But they say the 88 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 2: current fair is just not up to it, and they 89 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 2: cite multiple reasons, so they want to have an exemption. 90 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 2: They want to do it themselves, thank you very much, 91 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 2: but David Seymour says they can't. And David Seymour says 92 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 2: the depends on having all schools in for economy of scale. 93 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: He demands a national program and not a local solution, 94 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 2: and frankly, that is totally against Bedrock Act philosophy, which 95 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: Richard Prebble talked about last week. Act is about free choice. 96 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 2: In their early days they promoted voucher systems so consumers 97 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 2: had a free choice in procuring public services. And I 98 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 2: know this because I was involved with the party right 99 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 2: at the start in the nineties. But David now says 100 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 2: Wellington knows best. The whole school lunch program is really 101 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 2: not though on brand for Seymour, who was always an 102 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 2: opponent and should be going for a voucher, should be 103 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 2: giving them money so they can buy their lunches, which 104 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: is what Richard Prebble said. I wonder whether Christopher leux in. 105 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: The Prime Minister gave him the school lunch job just 106 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 2: to put him in his place. It's twelve after five 107 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: Andrew Dicks. So every fortnight I'm on the state highways 108 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 2: traveling between cities, and I'm always horrified at the twitching 109 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: driving I see on display. I'm like everyone, I like 110 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 2: to get the car up to one hundred and four k, 111 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 2: engage the cruise control rock on home in the fast lane. 112 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 2: So I was fascinated this weekend to learn that it's 113 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: illegal in Germany to overtake on the auto barn in 114 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 2: the right lane. We drive on the other side of 115 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: the road. So let's just call that undertaking on motorways. 116 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 2: And the reason Germany does this is because drivers don't 117 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 2: expect to be undertook. It's a surprise and it can 118 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 2: cause accidents. I have lost count of the number of 119 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: times I'm poodling along in a line of traffic in 120 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: the fast lane at one hundred and four k and 121 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 2: had a car undertake me, and of course they flip 122 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: me the bird. When I've mentioned this before, I've been 123 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: told I'm the problem, even though I'm going the maximum 124 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 2: allowable speed on our roads. I apparently should change lanes 125 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 2: and allow the car that wants to break the law 126 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 2: through so that they can then travel on and hassle 127 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: the next guy in the queue. So I'm gratified to 128 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: hear that in Germany it's not me but the under 129 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: taking speeders who are the real risk on our roads. 130 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: And I say all this while the Gisborne District Council 131 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: is rebelling against the government's blanket speed limit increases. They 132 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: say it will cost rate payers more than three hundred 133 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 2: thousand dollars for little benefit. And also fifteen people injured 134 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 2: on a crash on the only one hundred kilometers an 135 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: hour section of the Napiertopo Hardway, they want to make 136 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: the whole thing one hundred k Now, maybe, just maybe, 137 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 2: the government's attitude on speed is a little bit of 138 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: virtue signaling and vote gathering and not actually logical sense. 139 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: It's five all right now. Martin Brundle gave her the 140 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 2: most beautiful eulogy for Eddie Jordan just before the Chinese 141 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 2: Formula one. This lovable rascal who started off selling salmon 142 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 2: out the back of a van. He's died at the 143 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: age of seventy six. Aggressive prostate cancer but even while 144 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: he was poorly he negotiated the release of Adrian Newey 145 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 2: from Red Bull to go to Aston Martin. He's the 146 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: best Formula one engineer on the planet and this might 147 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: be way Max Resteppin and Liam Lawson are not in 148 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: competitive cars. So we're going to talk more about this 149 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 2: and the bad press that Liam is getting in just 150 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: a moment's time with Andrew Ordison here on News Talks, HEBB. 151 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: News and Views You Trust to start your day. It's 152 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: early edition with Andrew Dickens and one roof Make your 153 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: Property Search Simple, News Talk ZIBB. 154 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: Good morning to you. It is now seventeen after five. 155 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 2: A United Nations committee has questioned the fairness of world 156 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: tax systems and GST and New Zealand system. A statement 157 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 2: from the Committee for Economic, Social and Cultural Rights calls 158 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 2: for countries to check the taxes being applied proportionally to 159 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 2: the wealthiest individuals, and it says countries could focus on 160 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 2: more direct income taxation rather than taxes like our GST, 161 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 2: and they should tax large companies, particularly multinationals. So I've 162 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: got the partner from PwC, Sandy down with me right now. 163 00:08:58,240 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 2: Good one to you, Sandy. 164 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 5: Good morning, Andrew. 165 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: So the UN says tax policies could disproportionately affect low 166 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 2: income households, women and disadvantage groups. 167 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 5: How look, I think the topic around Senners and the 168 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 5: tax system is not a new one, and in particular, 169 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 5: you'll probably remember there was quite a lot of discussion 170 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 5: around this in New Zealand in twenty twenty three, where 171 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 5: in then Revenue did a research project on the High 172 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 5: Weald individuals and where they found that group their effective 173 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 5: tax right across their economic income was around nine percent, 174 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 5: while the average income family was about around twenty percent. 175 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 5: But it's not as simple as looking at the tax 176 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:47,119 Speaker 5: rate across different income levels. While the idea of Senners 177 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 5: is important, we want to also need to make sure 178 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 5: that the tax system doesn't create additional barriers for economic growth. 179 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 5: So there's a little bit more nuanced than that then 180 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 5: just saying, you know, we want to increase our corporate 181 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 5: tax rate or putting a higher personal tax rate, because 182 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 5: in the front of corporate tax rate, our company tax 183 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 5: rate needs to be competitive so that we can attract 184 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 5: that really important foreign investment in New Zealand as well. 185 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 5: So there's really a case of growing the pie is 186 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 5: probably likely to be there there for everyone. So it's 187 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 5: important when we think about our tax system we don't 188 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 5: end up with one that creates more barriers for us 189 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 5: to achieve that growth. 190 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 2: True enough enough, The fundamental foreign our economy though, is 191 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: that the government does not have enough revenue to sustain 192 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 2: our development, just to fund you just a business. So 193 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 2: politicians are reticent to get rid of GST. The question 194 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 2: is and what this UN committee asked, should they? 195 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, the GCT one's an interesting angle because from New 196 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 5: Zealand's perspective, our GC system is often seen as world class, 197 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 5: and that's because it applies so broadly and at pretty 198 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 5: much everything at the same rate. So there's a very 199 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 5: efficient tax and as you alluded to, it does bring 200 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 5: in quite a lot of taxes collected for New Zealand. 201 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 5: It's about a quarter of it, so I think last 202 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 5: year's around twenty nine billion dollars. It's not small bookies, 203 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 5: And I guess the key question is that it's not 204 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 5: as simple as just reducing that GST rate or maybe 205 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 5: we will record discussions around it making certain things GST free, 206 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 5: because one that's very expensive and to the other things 207 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 5: that's not very well targeted, and it's not really entirely 208 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 5: clear from evidence that that whether that reduction will get 209 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 5: passed on to your end customers, which is your lower 210 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 5: income households and things like that. But there might be 211 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 5: something in it because GS is quite regressive. It can 212 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 5: be regressive, and so looking at how we make that 213 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 5: more progressive could be a good idea. 214 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 2: So Andy, thank you so much for your thoughts and 215 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 2: your expertise. Today it is five twenty. I doubt if 216 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 2: DST will ever go. We can't. It's new so be 217 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: Orders is next. 218 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: Andrew Diggins all Afili edition where one roof will make 219 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: your Property search simple. 220 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: Youth talg zibby Andrew Orison, Welcome men to the show. 221 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 2: Greetings Andrew so put on. Liam Lawson is getting just 222 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 2: the most phenomenally bad press. 223 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah he is, And well it's gonna be up 224 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 8: to him to turn around, and I like it's this 225 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 8: team as well, But ultimately it falls on him, doesn't it. 226 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 8: He's moved up to twelfth with three DI qualifications after 227 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 8: initially finishing fifteenth in Shanghai but to me, max of 228 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 8: stuff and not doing much better either into fourth as 229 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 8: a result of that. But McLaren going strong, Oscar Piastre 230 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 8: winning the race too. 231 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 2: I think the car is rubbish and the only way 232 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 2: that Red Bull is competitive is that Max is a genius. 233 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 8: Yeah, yep, that could be the case. It's got so 234 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 8: much experience under the bonnet, so to speak now after 235 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 8: all those years, and is a depending world champion. But 236 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 8: I think Liam Lawson, I mean, the timing's not great 237 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 8: going in there, and it's and ultimately it falls with him, 238 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 8: but it's it's showcased again why Formula ones that are 239 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 8: team sport as much as anything. 240 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 2: Yes, and also why it's also the Parana school. Yeah yeah, okay, 241 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 2: it's not far wrong. Very sad news. Gris Wiley has 242 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 2: died at eighty. I mean the first player that I idolized 243 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 2: because I remember the Lions touring seventy one and Grizz 244 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: and I remember him being in the back seat with 245 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 2: the sombrero one and the hats, you know, with Tanne 246 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 2: Norton and all that. I didn't think anything would ever 247 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: get to Grizz. 248 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 8: I know, and Gris just such a formidable you know, 249 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 8: two to force really across the game for decades. But 250 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 8: as you say, as a player, all black and of 251 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 8: course such a formidable member of that Canterbury squad in 252 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 8: the sixties and seventies. But then I think probably I 253 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 8: mean for my generation at least remembering him as a 254 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 8: coach as much as anything. I mean, that tremendous record 255 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 8: he had with well, ultimately with Canterbury, winning the Repleet 256 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 8: should in eighty two, leading on through the National Championship 257 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 8: and then the Rapley She'll Challenge of eighty five. When 258 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 8: I was younger, you know what, eight years old at 259 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 8: the time, in just that twenty eight twenty three and 260 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 8: what did you say at halftime that there's the ball. 261 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 8: They've scored twenty four as you can do the same 262 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 8: with something of that, you know, various versions of. 263 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 2: That magnificent game Lancaster Park full to the gunnals. 264 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 8: I watched that Kerwin whacking the ball over the dead 265 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 8: ball line, which would be looked upon differently today, and 266 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 8: then going on to coach the All Blacks and so 267 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 8: formidably with you know, in the buckshelf of the Air, 268 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 8: I mean, had that controversy as well with bringback Buck. 269 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: But yeah, he was. 270 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 8: It was a phenomenal period, wasn't we. I think they 271 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 8: meant nineteen games without a loss there and just taking 272 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 8: over from Briyla wore. 273 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 2: Grauff and tough but lovable underneath. 274 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 8: I had a couple of dealings with him and he 275 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 8: was tremendous. When you wanted to get hold of him, 276 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 8: he was he was always available. So yeah, Rip Griz. 277 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 9: Andrew, Thank you. 278 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: Five twenty five. 279 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: The early edition full show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by 280 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: News Talks a B. 281 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 2: News Talks of B. It is now Flave twenty seven. 282 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 10: Now. 283 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 2: Look, while I was tramping all over the top of 284 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 2: the Commandal peninsula, we had some good and bad news 285 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 2: about our economy. GDP came out better than we expected, 286 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 2: a range of point seven percent in the fourth quarter, 287 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: which should signal the start of green shoots and recovery 288 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 2: and confidence. But at the same time, the consumer confidence 289 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 2: figure came out and it was the worst we've seen 290 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 2: since the nineties. And then Paul Bloxham, the Australian economists 291 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 2: who invented the rock Star economy name, came out and said, 292 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 2: our recession has been the worst in the CECD So 293 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 2: what happened there and why aren't we confident and why 294 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 2: was our recession so hard? And here is my take. 295 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 2: The Reserve Bank and the government need to start working together. 296 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 2: During the pandemic, the bank slashed the interest rates while 297 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 2: the government turbocharged spending, leading of course to what we 298 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 2: know the hangover that needed medicine. The previous government rightly 299 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 2: blamed for the mess it was responsible for. But we've 300 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 2: been double hit by the bank and the government. They 301 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 2: pulled all the leavers. So then the new government came 302 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 2: in to fix things and promptly slash spending to reduce boring. 303 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 2: Good move, and also reduced revenue through tax cuts. But 304 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank had already started attacking inflation a year 305 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 2: before with interest rates, so once again we were doubly 306 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 2: hit and we got some tax cuts. Which was that 307 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 2: the right thing to do at the right time. Ran 308 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 2: O'Sullivan six weeks ago described the tax cuts as badly timed. 309 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 2: It meant we weren't paying back debt. We're still struggling 310 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: just to pay the interests. So, as Paul Bloxham has 311 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 2: now described, we had an excessive pandemic reaction followed by 312 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 2: an excessive inflation reaction. Now all the stuff that all 313 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 2: the parties did is technically correct in macroeconomics. And this 314 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: is easy to criticize the twenty twenty hindsight, but it 315 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 2: has been as though the left hand and the right 316 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: hand doesn't know what each other are doing, which means 317 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 2: it was tough, which means now our recovery will be slow. 318 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 2: All the parties claim they are the prudent fiscal managers, 319 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 2: and all reserve bank governors claim the same, but if 320 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 2: you look back over the past five years, that's simply 321 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 2: not been true. They've been working against each other other 322 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 2: and we did it hard. And the reason I mentioned 323 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 2: all of this is because we need to learn from 324 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 2: this unless we want to keep on reeling from boom 325 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 2: to bus over and over again. 326 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens, all right, I've. 327 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 2: Got a number of people saying you don't know the 328 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 2: basic rule of the road, which is keep left. Of 329 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 2: course I do. I've been driving for fifty years. The 330 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 2: basic rule of the road is don't go over one 331 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 2: hundred kilometers an hour. Which rule is more important? Hey, 332 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 2: Uber drivers are going to get time off work so 333 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 2: that more women can actually drive ubers. More on that 334 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 2: with Gavin Gray in a few mothers time. 335 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: This is the news you need this morning, and the 336 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: in depth Analysis Early edition with Andrew Dickens and one 337 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: roof Make Your Property Search Simple News Talk sid be. 338 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 2: Page wanted to welcome to your week. Thank you so 339 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: much the Truth in Program. Imrew Dickinson from iron Bridge, 340 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 2: So thank you to Francesca who filled in for me 341 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 2: on Thursday and Friday. On Thursday and Friday, I was 342 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 2: walking the Pahi Coastal Track which is at the top 343 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 2: of the Coramndler. What a brilliant walk, brilliant weather, brilliant 344 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 2: bunch of people. Lovely couple from Taradown I used to 345 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 2: be at we and Pagett, a lovely couple from Martin 346 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 2: they sell Hamilton jets. And five forty something women from 347 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 2: the North Shore who were an absolute hoot. They spent 348 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 2: the whole walk drinking rose from Jim Bottles and I'm 349 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: talking about a twenty one k walk on the second 350 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 2: day and they talked the whole way around is this 351 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 2: and that and kids and that? And they laughed and 352 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 2: they laughed. That is a so they laughed and they laughed. 353 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 2: It was absolutely hilarious. These women were fantastic fun and 354 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 2: we all got together, were all sorts of different agents. 355 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 2: Now look I cannot stress how good this walk is. 356 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 2: It is the Pahi Coastal Track at the top of 357 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 2: the Coramantle and congratulations, it's a private track is run 358 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 2: by farmers. The farmers at the Port Jackson station. They 359 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 2: came up with the idea and it's a classic example 360 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 2: of farm diversification. Make money, not just from the animals 361 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 2: and the grass. Now, of course, everyone's getting stuck into 362 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 2: me about my comments about driving, Linda says Andrew. It's 363 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 2: illegal to sit in the fast lane of the autobarn 364 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 2: in Germany unless you're actively overtaking. I can't believe that 365 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 2: you sit out in the fast lane controlling the speed 366 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 2: of other traffic. I always thought you were intelligent, Linda. 367 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: I never said I sit out in the fast lane 368 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 2: controlling the speed of other traffic. I drove home from 369 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: the Parki Coastal Track yesterday on the motorway. I'm in 370 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 2: a queue of about twenty cars. We're all going one 371 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 2: hundred k. We're in the fast lane. We're actually going 372 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 2: one hundred and four k. But there was a whole 373 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: lot of guys who buzz around and try undertaking because 374 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 2: they think they can get ahead. They never did. Now, 375 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 2: who's being dangerous here at the undertakers or the group 376 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 2: of twenty people who are doing the very fastest speed 377 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 2: on the road. Yes, the basic rule is keep left. 378 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 2: And yes, if I'm the only one in the fast lane, 379 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 2: I will keep left and watch the idiots go screaming past. 380 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 2: And yes, that is the police's job to police that 381 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 2: not mine. How just watch all the drivers, and watch 382 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 2: the undertakers, and watch the risks they take to gain 383 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 2: another two seconds on the rope maybe, and you tell 384 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 2: me whether I'm the dangerous one or they're the dangerous one. 385 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 2: Now on the lunches. By the way, Grant also says 386 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 2: my old school was getting the kids to help make 387 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 2: the lunches. It was teaching them how to cook. Totally agree. 388 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 2: Let the schools decide who needs the lunches. They know 389 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,719 Speaker 2: who needs it. It is twenty one to six, Dickens. 390 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 2: Why let's go around the country and we're going to 391 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 2: christ Church first class. Herewood joins us, and good morning 392 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 2: to you. 393 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 4: Claire, Good morning. 394 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 2: I am so amped for to Kaha the new stadium. 395 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 2: I know it's almost there, is looking brilliant already tell 396 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 2: me the latest. 397 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 6: Well, yeah, we're. 398 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 7: Really excited for Takaha. It's hard to miss it if 399 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 7: you're driving around christ Church at the moment. But interestingly 400 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 7: today mark's the penultimate birthday for the temporary stadium that 401 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 7: we've had in christ Church. 402 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 2: Now for the. 403 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 7: Cantabs listening, they'll remember it as the old Rugby League Park. 404 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 7: It has had several names since opened in twenty twelve, 405 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 7: which was post earthquake, and that was due to the 406 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 7: permanent closure of the old Lancaster Park. The stadium that's 407 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 7: now known as Apollo Projects Stadium, was initially intended to 408 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 7: last somewhere between three and five years, but today celebrates 409 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 7: thirteen years since opening. In that time, it's hosted more 410 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 7: than three hundred events, including nine major concerts, five in 411 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 7: Our Roll Games and two major international tournaments as well venues. 412 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 7: AU Tootahi chief executive Carolyn Harvey Tears says the stadium 413 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 7: has played a massive role in christ Church's recovery. The 414 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 7: Council's confirmed the grand stand, as well as some other structures, 415 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 7: will be removed once Tekaha opens in April next year. 416 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 7: The old stadium, though or the temporary one, is set 417 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 7: to host its one hundred and fourteenth Crusaders match this 418 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 7: weekend when we take on Moana Pacifica on Saturday. 419 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 2: Still a good venue for a concert, that stadium. I 420 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 2: have to say, Now, how's your weather? 421 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 11: Well, a bit. 422 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 7: Miserable and rainy this morning, but it will clear this afternoon. 423 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 7: Easterly is developing and the h I should be seventeen to. 424 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 2: Wellington we go next. Talk good morning to you. Hello, Max, Hello, 425 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 2: Can you not hear me? 426 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 9: I can? 427 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 2: Indeed, so public servants, the heat is on again with them. 428 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 2: I see that the Commissioner has actually done a survey 429 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 2: saying figure out how to do stuff better? 430 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,239 Speaker 11: Yeah, that's exactly right. Well, look, first and foremost more 431 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 11: jobs are going this year. That's a given, and perhaps 432 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 11: more of a piecemeal fashion than last year. So in 433 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 11: this latest public service census, thousands of civil servants being 434 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 11: asked to identify potential areas for further cost cutting, to 435 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 11: identify whether their work contributes to better outcomes. It's all 436 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:41,479 Speaker 11: very bureaucratic, whether it provides value for taxpayers In doing this, 437 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 11: Public Service Commission says it wants to seek better value 438 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 11: for money. The focus of its census, it says, changes 439 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 11: year to year, and I think overall this year it 440 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 11: might be more of a scalpel approach than a chain server. Interestingly, 441 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 11: I found staff also being asked about their managers and 442 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 11: whether they think their managers care about deliver and good 443 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 11: value for taxpayers. So if you're a public servants, speak 444 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 11: up now if you don't like your boss. 445 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 2: Very good stuff. And we're talking to the PSA about 446 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 2: this census and what they should do about it and 447 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 2: whether they're into it. Now, how's your weather. 448 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 11: In partly cloudy today with the odd shower clearing to 449 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 11: find this afternoon eighteen the high central. 450 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 2: All right, and now to what can we go and 451 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 2: neave a ret a man who joins us come on 452 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 2: in there. 453 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 4: Good morning. 454 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 2: So we've got a piece of work from CF Goldie 455 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:24,959 Speaker 2: Charles Frederick Goldry. 456 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 6: Yes, no, this is very very exciting Andrew, because this 457 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 6: piece of work is up for auction in Auckland today. 458 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 6: It's called Souvenirs from the Field of Battle. Now this 459 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 6: kick started his career as an artist when it was 460 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 6: first exhibited in eighteen ninety. Emily Gardner, the webs director 461 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 6: of Arts, says, look, it's expected to sell for up 462 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 6: to seventy five thousand. She said it's a good opportunity 463 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 6: for collectors to own a piece of New Zealand art history. 464 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 6: But you know what really makes this one special. It 465 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 6: was painted when he was just nineteen, so it's really 466 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 6: the first time he had exhibited publicly. 467 00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 2: Very good South. How's Hawkin's weather? 468 00:23:59,520 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 11: Fine? 469 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 6: Another lovely fine day. No sign of rain at all today, 470 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 6: a high twenty four. 471 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 2: Don't boast it's running in north Otago, terrible ale. Yes, 472 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 2: so it needs some good morning to you, and I 473 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 2: thank you. It is as seventeen minutes to six and 474 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 2: the text through undertakers are not something you want to 475 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 2: see on the motorway by definition, and that's so true. 476 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 2: Good line by the way, the Texas says Winner's head 477 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 2: the coming back, and I can tell you round about. 478 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 2: I think it's April the twelfth, April the thirteenth, round about. 479 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 2: Then everything's going well with her and Barry. Now Pope 480 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 2: Francis has been discharged from hospital. We'll talk to Gavin 481 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 2: Gray about this. And every Uber driver in the UK 482 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 2: will be eligible for twenty hours of free childcare. Why 483 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 2: that's next on news Stork. 484 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: Zebbi International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of 485 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: Mind for New Zealand Business. 486 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 2: It's fourteen to six. Gavin Gray from the UK, Good 487 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 2: morning to you, hither, great news. Pope Francis is out 488 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 2: of hospital but needs two months off. 489 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 10: Yes, the eight eight year old has been discharged. He 490 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 10: was pictured and offered a blessing the window or on 491 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 10: a very small sort of balcony at the Gamelli Hospital 492 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 10: in Rome where he's being treated. He was admitted there 493 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 10: on the fourteenth of a long stay some five weeks 494 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 10: there and during that time we now know he had 495 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 10: what's been described as two very critical episodes where according 496 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 10: to doctors, his life was in danger, though we now 497 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 10: understand he was never actually intubated that's the tube into 498 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 10: the throat, but always remained alert and orientated. But nevertheless, 499 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 10: I think this shows just how poorly the Pope has 500 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 10: been And yeah, this couple of months off, the doctors 501 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 10: are basically ordering because he he still sounded pretty pretty poor. 502 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 10: Earlier this month there was an audio recording and his 503 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 10: voice there was really pretty breathless. So needs a lot 504 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 10: of rest and recuperation. And there will be plenty around 505 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 10: the world celebrating his release from hospital today. 506 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 2: All right, yeah, good luck with that though. Pope Francis 507 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 2: is a man married to his job and he wants 508 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: to work, but he should take two months off for 509 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 2: his own health. Now every Uber driver in the UK 510 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 2: will now be eligible for twenty hours of free childcait. 511 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 10: Why well, it's meant to try and encourage and recruit 512 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 10: more staff, particularly more female drivers. Now Here in the UK, 513 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 10: childcare is incredibly expensive. In fact, it's so expensive that 514 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 10: many mothers actually don't return to the workforce because they 515 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 10: think they'll be worse off because the cost of childcare 516 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 10: outweighs their net earnings for the job they're doing. And 517 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 10: so this is an attempt by Uber to try and 518 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 10: get more women in. And what they're saying is they 519 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 10: will allow people to use an app which means they 520 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 10: can book nannying and babysitting. Now, twenty hours of free 521 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 10: childcare doesn't sound like a lot, and I suppose it isn't, 522 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 10: but it is something that they believe really will help 523 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 10: spend the tie up if you was in and around 524 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 10: London and it is always men, so Uber trying to 525 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 10: attract more women drivers. There are one hundred thousand Uber 526 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 10: drivers in the UK and their unions or at least 527 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 10: a union which represents some of those drivers said this 528 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 10: is really a cynical pr stunt. They said they should 529 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 10: pay the drivers more, not fiddle around the edges with 530 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 10: incentives like this and say, according to some anyway that 531 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 10: their wages have fallen in the year despite prices being 532 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 10: increased for customers. So yeah, the union really playing this 533 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 10: down Uber saying it's a great scheme, and certainly one 534 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 10: or two of the drivers that they've put forward to 535 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 10: speak of saying, yeah, it is going to make life 536 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 10: much easier. 537 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:41,959 Speaker 2: Good stuff going, and I thank you. And it is 538 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 2: now eleven to six Andrew Dickens. So, as you heard 539 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 2: with Max told just a few moments ago, the Public 540 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 2: Service has been asked by the government to figure out 541 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 2: how they could make more cuts. Thousands of workers have 542 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 2: been asked in an internal census to identify areas for 543 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 2: further cost cutting across every government agency and the results 544 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 2: are expected in July. So PSA Assistant Secretary flurf that 545 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 2: Simon's joins me. Now, hello, flu, good morning. So Commissioner 546 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 2: Brian Roach commissioned this. He's been very insistent that the 547 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 2: public service start to drive performance themselves. How open is 548 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 2: the service to this sort of thing? 549 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 12: A lot of people are very willing to share their 550 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 12: ideas about how the public service can be run better. 551 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 12: But it's hard to take this government seriously on this 552 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 12: given they imposed harsh and deep cuts without any consultation 553 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 12: of this nature with public servants. They had government departments 554 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 12: come up with proposals in compete isolation from what people 555 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 12: actually think who are doing the job. So it's really 556 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 12: hard to take them seriously. But also it's important to 557 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 12: remember this is a regular census. It happens every five years. 558 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 12: We don't think that it's going to be able to 559 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 12: deliver the kind of harsh cuts that the government's already 560 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 12: imposed in the future because there is just nothing more 561 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 12: to cut, all. 562 00:28:54,600 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 2: Right, So you're saying there's nothing more to cut the government, Well. 563 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 12: The government has already dismissed hundreds of public servants, including 564 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 12: people like dog trainers and customs people who work on 565 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 12: the frontline of stopping the digital harm and exploitation that 566 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 12: happens to children, people who try and help intercept scams 567 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 12: that often target the elderly. So if the government is 568 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 12: actually serious about investing in public services that deliver to 569 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 12: New Zealanders, it won't make further cuts are there rooms 570 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 12: for efficiencies. Absolutely, do public servants have good ideas about 571 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 12: how to find them, Yes, they do, and we really 572 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 12: hope that the government will listen to what public servants 573 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 12: say that not just through the survey, through all sorts 574 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 12: of interactions that including the union actually does and we 575 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 12: actually did ourselves prior to the round of cups do 576 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 12: some surveys with public servants and came up with a 577 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 12: whole range of ways that the public service could be 578 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 12: more efficient that the government never listened to. 579 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 2: But this is why the census has happened. This is 580 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 2: why Brian Roach has asked. But they're asking you for 581 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 2: the ideas, and you've just said to me there are 582 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 2: no more places for cuts. And there is a there's 583 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 2: a perception that the public servants are so reticent about 584 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 2: this and they don't want to provide better value for money. 585 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 12: No, the sense has happened every five years anyway. What 586 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 12: I'm saying is it asks a whole range of questions. 587 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 12: For example, it asks about the appetite for risk in 588 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 12: a particular agency. It asks for the workloads, how high 589 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 12: are your workload? Is it manageable? It asks a whole 590 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 12: lot of questions about working from home. Are you paid fairly? 591 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:33,719 Speaker 12: But it's not going to deliver the kind of roadmap 592 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 12: for further cuts that the government is looking for. There 593 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 12: is no room to cut further. It's been cut to 594 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 12: the bone. You are going to further undermine the services 595 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 12: that New Zealanders rely on if you make cuts to 596 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 12: our surisht and important public service. 597 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 2: Well, you keep saying there's no room for cuts, and 598 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 2: you're you're making an assumption before you know. The results 599 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 2: aren't out until July, and you're already making that assumption. 600 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 12: Well, what I'll tell you is that this already been 601 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 12: so significant a cut to the work that our public 602 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 12: servants do, we are unable to attract and retain people already. 603 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 12: This government is not going to find through this survey 604 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 12: a whole lot of ways that can cut more jobs 605 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 12: or save more money. What we actually need to see 606 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 12: is a commitment to the public service and more investment. 607 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 12: And that's not the purpose of the survey anyway. 608 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 2: One final question, though I don't know if you watched 609 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 2: Q and A yesterday and had the outgoing on. Woodsman 610 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 2: Peter Bouchier very critical of the public service, particularly health 611 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 2: and corrections, and he said they were talking about, are 612 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 2: public servants dedicated to providing value for money? 613 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,719 Speaker 12: New Zealand has a corruption free, high quality public service 614 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 12: that is renowned worldwide. Is there room for improvement? Absolutely? 615 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 12: Are we going to stand as a way of positive 616 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 12: improvement that makes the ability of public servants that deliver 617 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 12: their jobs? Well, no we're not, but yes there's grook 618 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 12: to do. But let's also the people that do this 619 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:01,959 Speaker 12: important work too. 620 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 2: Flur, Thank you so much for your time today for 621 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 2: Fitzsimon's PSA's Assistant secretary. 622 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: The first word on the News of the Day early 623 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: edition with Andrew Dickens and one Room make your property 624 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: surge and symbol you talk sippy. 625 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 2: See we go I talk about. Question of the day 626 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 2: is that the Gisbon District councilor is taking the government 627 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 2: to court over their demand to raise the speed limits. 628 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 2: They say it's going to cost three hundred and twenty 629 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 2: thousand dollars and they're asking whether the rate payers are 630 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 2: prepared to pay that to get ten k more speed limits? 631 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 2: Are you yes or no? Michael? 632 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 4: A lot of money being the funger A people met 633 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 4: last week were standing by for a court case. They 634 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 4: were arguing over fluoriding, and so they spent tens of 635 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 4: thousands of dollars they openly admit they don't have, have 636 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 4: not budgeted for to go to court to argue yet 637 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 4: more problems. We're talking about parking finds. Actually I can't 638 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 4: remember last time I got a parking ticket. Anyway, they 639 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 4: don't win. They hand out a parking ticket, turns out 640 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 4: sort of if you don't pay it, which most people 641 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 4: don't because they're so enraged about the reason they got 642 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 4: the park ticket, which is because of bus lanes and 643 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 4: stuff like that. Seems no one follows you up, no, 644 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 4: until the courts do, and then well the courts do. 645 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 4: They eventually in some sort of it arrived in the mail, 646 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 4: but I didn't see it kind of it never really 647 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 4: gets paid kind of way. So there's some sort of 648 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 4: concern about that. This morning, Winston Peter's on a speech 649 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 4: yesterday and his relationship with Hopkinson and your public service thing. 650 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 4: Judith Collins, who's in chargeable all this and doing the survey, 651 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 4: will be with us on the time. 652 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 2: There is a remarkable interview. The more I see you 653 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 2: can make cats, no we can't, No, we can't, no, 654 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 2: we can't are. 655 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 4: None so blind as those who will not see. 656 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 9: Very nice. 657 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 2: All right, my name is Andrew Dickinson for Ryan Bridge. 658 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 9: I'll be back again tomorrow. 659 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 2: Thank you to producing ens. 660 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 9: Have a great day. 661 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge, listen live 662 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: to News Talks it'd be from five am weekdays, or 663 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.