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Speaker 2: So, as we mentioned before, it all kicked off in

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Speaker 2: parliament are again Chloe Swarbrick ordered to leave the House

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Speaker 2: again as parliament met. Joining us now is senior political

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Speaker 2: correspondent Barry Soap get a Barry.

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Speaker 3: Gooda how a Ladd's very good, Thanks Barry. So let's

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Speaker 3: go back to the start of this yesterday. What was

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Speaker 3: Chloe Swarbrick's crime.

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Speaker 4: Well, essentially calling the National Party and its coalition cobbers spineless.

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Speaker 4: And you're not allowed under parliamentary rules to say that

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Speaker 4: MP's lack courage. Now a lot of us might think that,

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Speaker 4: but you're not meant to say it. So there's sort

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Speaker 4: of a parliamentary system that says you've got to keep

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Speaker 4: it a bit above board. Although there's been so many

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Speaker 4: offenses in the past, like John Key once called or

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Speaker 4: accused Labor of supporting rapists and I can't remember what

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Speaker 4: the murderer, and nobody raising the objection. The National Party

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Speaker 4: applauded him, and nobody raising any objection. But he came

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Speaker 4: back subsequently and apologized. But so things happen and DEBI rah,

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Speaker 4: we were packer. You'd love to hear just a few

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Speaker 4: minutes ago used the sea word again, didn't she?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 4: And don't forget no Brook van Velden wasn't thrown out

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Speaker 4: for using that and Jerry his Jerry Brownlee talking about

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Speaker 4: standards and the standards in Parliament in recent years have

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Speaker 4: gone through the floor, could you not. I mean you've

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Speaker 4: got people wearing and there's nothing wrong with this attire,

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Speaker 4: wearing sneakers and jeans, t shirts, hats, no ties. I

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Speaker 4: mean there was a time that Parliament, because it's based

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Speaker 4: on the Westminster system, had a level of standard, but

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Speaker 4: it's got no standards now. And if you wear Jerry

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Speaker 4: where Jerry Brownlee is, it's a really difficult house to control.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but do you think Jerry Browny was right to

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Speaker 3: kick her out yesterday or do you think he overreacted?

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Speaker 3: And secondary question has he lost control of Parliment?

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Speaker 4: I think you know, in the first instance, I thought

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Speaker 4: the offense didn't didn't warrant being thrown out of the

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Speaker 4: house because you know, to call somebody spineless, so what

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Speaker 4: a lot of people probably call me day many times. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: So I thought the offense wasn't that bad, but to

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Speaker 4: add insult to injury throwing her up for a week,

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Speaker 4: but it gave her all the publicity that Chloe s

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Speaker 4: brought Swarbrick and Milk from this. She had a question

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Speaker 4: on the order paper today. I think it was question

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Speaker 4: for so it was written down. She was meant to

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Speaker 4: ask it and I thought when I saw it, oh, hullo,

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Speaker 4: she's going to come back in and apologize. That's what

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Speaker 4: you could be led to believe the fact that she

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Speaker 4: had a question there or she won't get to ask

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Speaker 4: it now because she's been hiffed down, and rightly so

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Speaker 4: she said. She refused to withdraw and apologize. She was named,

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Speaker 4: which is a pretty serious offense in parliament. So she's

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Speaker 4: up for the rest of the week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Interestingly, though, Winston Peters, although New Zealand first did vote

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Speaker 3: for her to be named, his has said that he

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Speaker 3: thought it.

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Speaker 4: Must have been listening to me last night actually because

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Speaker 4: I thought the crime didn't warrant the penalty. And essentially

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Speaker 4: that's what Winston said when he got up today and

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Speaker 4: it was quite courageous for him to do so. And

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Speaker 4: of course he's the grandfather of the house, nobody's been

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Speaker 4: there longer than him, so he felt that, look he

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Speaker 4: had some currency. He got up. He looked at the

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Speaker 4: speaker in the eye and said, I just think it

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Speaker 4: was an over the top sentence essentially, and I think

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Speaker 4: it was too Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So what happens now for Chloe?

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Speaker 4: Well, she'll be back next week, so she's been given

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Speaker 4: a week off. I wouldn't mind being given a week off.

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Speaker 2: Lead is that without pay? She still paid?

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure whether the name there will be a pursuit.

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Speaker 4: I would imagine if you are named, they may docupay,

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Speaker 4: so she may find herself. I haven't checked that, but

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Speaker 4: you know, being named is a pretty serious offense. And

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Speaker 4: if she then refused to leave, what happens then? Is

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Speaker 4: the sergeant at arm yes, which is normally an old

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Speaker 4: geezer on a zimmer frame, wheels it into the house

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Speaker 4: and as meant to clutch the member and take her

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Speaker 4: out of the house.

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Speaker 3: What is that what she would like to see happen?

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Speaker 3: Do you think this is grand standing from her or

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Speaker 3: a legitimate protest?

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Speaker 4: Totally grand standing? I mean, you know, she had a

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Speaker 4: passionate view on what's going on in Gaza and what

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Speaker 4: The argument was all about she had a bill that

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Speaker 4: was rejected in Parliament that was to impose sanctions on Israel,

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Speaker 4: and she said, would the government support this if they

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Speaker 4: had you know, the courage or the spine, they would

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Speaker 4: support this. Coming back into the House and that's where

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Speaker 4: where she got into trouble. So she was extrapolating further

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Speaker 4: on what the debate was all about yesterday.

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Speaker 2: So when she comes back to Parliament, is Jerry going

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Speaker 2: to ask her to apologize again? Or is that done?

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Speaker 4: It's done, done and dusted.

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Speaker 3: Is this the is this the most difficult time? You know,

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Speaker 3: it seems like for Jerry Brownlee he's had a bit

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Speaker 3: of a rough time as a speaker, or you know,

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Speaker 3: in your in your history, is this typical of peaks

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Speaker 3: and troughs, of maultuous parliaments.

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Speaker 4: And tros in parliament? But you know, I think Jerry,

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Speaker 4: I think he's really finding it really difficult. Seems to

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Speaker 4: be because you know, if it was me in the

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Speaker 4: speaker's cheer, I'd be setting up throwing people out, will he?

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Speaker 4: But Jerry, Jerry is very generous and says I have

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Speaker 4: another go at asking the question and no room packing

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Speaker 4: from the Maldi party today. I mean she's stood up

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Speaker 4: yesterday and she she made points of order, so she

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Speaker 4: clearly doesn't understand the system in parliament. They were nothing

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Speaker 4: like points of order. They've got to be you know,

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Speaker 4: there's a form to do it in and you can't

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Speaker 4: get up and protest the way she does. So look,

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Speaker 4: I think's got the toughest job in that place at

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Speaker 4: the moment because it's so unruly, and to bring them back,

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Speaker 4: I think the Business Committee at Parliament should be meeting

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Speaker 4: and they should be reintroducing some standards to make it

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Speaker 4: the House of Representatives of New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Do you think this is just the new era, the

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Speaker 3: social media area, the TikTok era, where Parliament is an

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Speaker 3: opportunity to get some content to shove out on to

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Speaker 3: your followers, to rustle up some interest for your minor party.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly what Chloe Swarburg will be doing now. And

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Speaker 4: the thing is that she's refused to apologize in the past,

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Speaker 4: so it's not new for her. It's a grandstanding exercise

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Speaker 4: by her, although in fairness to her, I don't think

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Speaker 4: she would have expected to have been thrown out in

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Speaker 4: the first place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Perry fascinating times. Is always nice to catch up.

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Speaker 2: We'll see again soon. That is our senior political correspondent,

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Speaker 2: Barry Soper.

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