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Speaker 1: So the long away to Wacata Medical School is go.

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Speaker 1: The government's in for a bit over eighty million. One

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million comes from the university and donors.

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Speaker 1: The doors open in twenty eight with an initial role

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Speaker 1: of one hundred and twenty students and focus on GP training.

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Speaker 1: Neil Quigley is the University of Wacat has Vice Chancellor

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Speaker 1: and is with us. Very good morning, Good morning, Mike's

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Speaker 1: been a journey.

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Speaker 2: It has been a journey. Yes, you're right.

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Speaker 1: How much of this is about regional prestige for your organization?

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Speaker 2: Oh, we are just interested in delivering for New Zealand

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Speaker 2: and we've got involved in this project primarily because of

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Speaker 2: the observation that we've fallen behind what's happening in other countries,

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Speaker 2: particularly Australia, in terms of medical education. So this is

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Speaker 2: our opportunity to help New Zealand get into the twenty

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Speaker 2: first century.

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Speaker 1: One hundred and twenty with a view to more or

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Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty is it?

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Speaker 2: No, one hundred and twenty is a starting point, but

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Speaker 2: obviously we need to build the program, make sure we've

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Speaker 2: got all the clinical placements in place before we look

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Speaker 2: to go beyond one hundred and twenty, but I would

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Speaker 2: hope after a few years we would be able to

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Speaker 2: build up.

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Speaker 1: How do you tell people to be a GP, because

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Speaker 1: you can't, really can you.

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Speaker 2: No, you can't. People have tried bonding schemes in other

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Speaker 2: places and things like that, but they're really difficult to

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Speaker 2: make work practically and legally. What you have to do

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Speaker 2: is select people for the commitment that they show to

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Speaker 2: being in general practice and in primary care. And it's

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Speaker 2: possible to design your selection mechanisms so that you identify

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Speaker 2: those characteristics in people rather than just well because they

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Speaker 2: will come from places where there are shortages of doctors

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Speaker 2: and where they're committed to going back to those places

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Speaker 2: to practice, and will select them based on their demonstrated

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Speaker 2: involvement with the community rather than just their academic grades.

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Speaker 1: That's guesswork. Look, I'm all for this, congratulations, I think

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Speaker 1: it's going to be ahead all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 1: But what I know from medical school is you can't

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Speaker 1: force people to do what they don't do. You can't

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Speaker 1: force them to go to the country, and you can't

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Speaker 1: force them to be a GP. They will do what

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Speaker 1: they do in anything. Any other argument is fencible isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Well, Mike, what you have to do is look at

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Speaker 2: the record of our partners that we're going to be

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Speaker 2: working with in Australia, So they get fifty or sixty

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Speaker 2: percent of their graduates going into general practice, whereas at

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Speaker 2: the moment here in New Zealand it's only fifteen or

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Speaker 2: twenty percent from Aukland or Otago. So the evidence from

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Speaker 2: Australia says that implementing the selection mechanisms that our partner

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Speaker 2: institutions over there use, you do get a markedly different

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Speaker 2: workforce outcome.

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Speaker 1: Okay, were you surprised at yesterday's reaction in the Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister's press conference and the conspiracy theory about your so

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Speaker 1: called conflict of intr I mean, for a good news story,

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of weird behavior yesterday. I thought.

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Speaker 2: I was a little surprised that people weren't interested in

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Speaker 2: engaging with the real issues about the need to improve

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Speaker 2: medical education in New Zealand and the way in which

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Speaker 2: we can shorten the pathway with a four year graduate

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Speaker 2: entry program to get more doctors through more quickly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, yes, yes, yeah, I was very surprised. It

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Speaker 1: was me too. Well, then, Neil appreciate it, and Neil Quickley,

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Speaker 1: wh's a University of Waikato vice chancellor. It's everything that's

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Speaker 1: wrong with this country on a good news day. This's

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Speaker 1: not about politics on a good news day, and irrefusably

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Speaker 1: good news day where something was actually going to happen.

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Speaker 1: All we could do was find reasons to bitch in

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