Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks AB.
Speaker 2: Right now, it is time for the panel. By the way,
Speaker 2: actually I'm in actually quite a good mood today and
Speaker 2: I just sort of thought i'd share it, but that
Speaker 2: sometimes parental vicarious pleasure is quite quite a good mood
Speaker 2: lift because my daughter had a hockey game and I'm
Speaker 2: bit worried it became that noisy parent on the sideline
Speaker 2: because she scored four goals, so more than a hat trick,
Speaker 2: and I was getting very much who yah. But anyway,
Speaker 2: it was It's a great way to start a Saturday,
Speaker 2: is all I can say. Anyway. And by the way,
Speaker 2: we'll be keeping up to date with actually not keeping
Speaker 2: up to date with any of olymp it's what am
Speaker 2: I saying. That's going to be something we're going to
Speaker 2: cover in the panel. In just a moment, which is
Speaker 2: actually not just in just a moment. It's right now
Speaker 2: time to introduce my panelists. My first panelist, what can
Speaker 2: I say about her? She is and I read this,
Speaker 2: she is so in love right now. She is absolutely smitten.
Speaker 2: She's smitten with some guy called Ben, and apparently she
Speaker 2: definitely sees marriage and children on the cards. I also
Speaker 2: think she's a journalist. At times, she's been a newsreader,
Speaker 2: and she's got her own media company, Wills and Co.
Speaker 2: But please welcome the very much in Love Wilhelmina Kate Trimpton.
Speaker 3: I picked the wrong day to come in the day
Speaker 3: that it gets uploaded to the Herald website. Oh God, hello,
Speaker 3: thanks for having me very much in love, very happy
Speaker 3: to be here.
Speaker 2: It was a lovely story though, And did you you're
Speaker 2: the photo of you in front of the taj Mahalan.
Speaker 2: You've been to Paris and everything, and just just the
Speaker 2: story about love.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it has been a bit of a will wind,
Speaker 3: a lovely will wind.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the reason I sort of mentioned it is well,
Speaker 2: it was I was slightly being mischievous in the way
Speaker 2: of introducing But it's nice to celebrate these moments, isn't that?
Speaker 2: It was just nice to read you know that you're
Speaker 2: you're rocking and rolling, Wills.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 3: And look, it's been a long and winding, crazy, wild
Speaker 3: journey to get there, and it's just yeah, it's just
Speaker 3: nice to just be happy. I think it sounds pretty
Speaker 3: simple of it.
Speaker 2: You're really darling day article.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to fak news. No, it's not news. It's
Speaker 3: all true. It's all true. I mean every word.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I don't know how to follow that. My next
Speaker 2: guest is she's a long time television producer. I mean,
Speaker 2: we use the word long time advisedly because it's not
Speaker 2: necessarily that long a time. I just put it in italics.
Speaker 2: And she's she's executive producer. She's done heaps in media. Actually,
Speaker 2: she was a I think a content producer for New
Speaker 2: Zealand on air for a Golden Area. That's right on screen,
Speaker 2: that's right. And she's recently the survivor of a nasty
Speaker 2: dog attack at a friend's dinner. And it's Irene Gardner. Irene,
Speaker 2: how are you?
Speaker 4: I'm fine, but yeah, you don't really expect to go
Speaker 4: around your friend's place and get put top.
Speaker 2: Where did you get but I mean my lower leg?
Speaker 2: Oh really? What did you do? Why had you irritated
Speaker 2: the dog so much?
Speaker 4: Then? I know the dogs just quite unsettled, I think
Speaker 4: by myself and my friend being round at our friend's
Speaker 4: place and I got up from the table just to
Speaker 4: go to the kitchen to get something, and he kind
Speaker 4: of rushed me and nipped my leg.
Speaker 3: Really I was, you know, kind of.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm a farm kid, so I'm kind of
Speaker 4: hosted being you.
Speaker 3: Know, nipped by dogs.
Speaker 4: But it was a bit kind of and yeah, I've
Speaker 4: actually ended up with quite a massive bruise.
Speaker 2: Really, what sort of dog was a little.
Speaker 4: Bit of broken skin?
Speaker 3: It was a poodle, which is unexpected pod a Biggish poodle.
Speaker 2: A Biggish poodle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a Gnali poodle.
Speaker 4: Going to name the poodle?
Speaker 2: No name, Shane. Nice to have you both in the studio. Now, look,
Speaker 2: I have been I love the Olympics, and there have
Speaker 2: been some wonderful, wonderful moments already. Wills, what are you?
Speaker 2: What do you?
Speaker 3: Will's great? Wells, we're mates now we've crossed the threshole.
Speaker 3: We have friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, but yeah, are you loving the Olympics.
Speaker 3: I'm loving it. It's so great. And then also all
Speaker 3: the random sports that you probably have never really watched
Speaker 3: before and spent much time actually, you know, learning about
Speaker 3: and looking at and it's just great. And I'm a
Speaker 3: big fan of the gymnastics. And the one thing that
Speaker 3: I also love as well is how it seems like
Speaker 3: the entire population has decided there's suddenly you know, experts
Speaker 3: in half of these sports, and there's these great memes
Speaker 3: that are all going around. You know, You're lying on
Speaker 3: your couch with the feet up in the air and
Speaker 3: potato chip dust on your chest, and you're like, oh god,
Speaker 3: that dismount. She really didn't nail it, did she, you know,
Speaker 3: and how we analyight? You know, I just think it's great.
Speaker 3: I mean, I like to think of myself as a
Speaker 3: bit of an experts station. Not really, I just sit
Speaker 3: there with covered in chip dust, you know, sharing my
Speaker 3: opinion about you know, someone. Biles's dismount actually always on point.
Speaker 2: By the way, Actually I was watching some highlights the
Speaker 2: other night and it was the horizontal bars. In fact,
Speaker 2: I think it was her teammates Suriye who was who
Speaker 2: came third, Who's got an amazing story because but it
Speaker 2: was just the grace and the athleticism on the bars.
Speaker 2: It just sort of just sort of blows me away.
Speaker 2: Have you been watching much in the way of the Olympics,
Speaker 2: Irene or I haven't.
Speaker 3: Watched a lot.
Speaker 4: I'm not a huge sport person, but you know, I
Speaker 4: get sort of caught up in the stories and things.
Speaker 4: And yes, Simon's coming back so strong. After you know,
Speaker 4: last time. And I also watched the gymnastics and I
Speaker 4: just I just kid myself. I just watched them, going, yeah,
Speaker 4: do that.
Speaker 2: Actually, I think we all have that moment of which
Speaker 2: do we imagine what event you would actually do if
Speaker 2: you could be an.
Speaker 3: Olympic trible round off break backs?
Speaker 4: Does it?
Speaker 3: Trible round off backhands? Bring no sweat?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I did really like.
Speaker 4: You know, I like all little human interesting things. And
Speaker 4: I did kind of like the bit where you know,
Speaker 4: when Hayden Wild didn't win the trifling but his friend
Speaker 4: and training partner, yeah, and it was just all sort
Speaker 4: of lovely, and you know, I like that kind.
Speaker 2: Of I actually thought that was one of the most
Speaker 2: inspiring moments of the Games because I'm not hung up
Speaker 2: on our personal on our country medal tally. I'm curious
Speaker 2: about it, but I'm not hung on up on it
Speaker 2: because for me, the Olympics about those transcendent moments, which
Speaker 2: sometimes the tree and send it moment is an amazing
Speaker 2: performance that leads to gold. But for for Hayden Whild
Speaker 2: to have embraced his friend who he thought, you know,
Speaker 2: you won that, well, great race, well we both did
Speaker 2: it sort of thing, and then later on to pay
Speaker 2: homage to his teammate who, through the bike ride had
Speaker 2: dropped back so he could draft. I think that's the
Speaker 2: expression Hayden. So he got in a position where he
Speaker 2: could have won gold. I just thought, what an absolute legend,
Speaker 2: Hal Hayden wild is. What are the sportsmanship? And those
Speaker 2: are the moments that to me get me a bit misty.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent forever, It'll be imprinted in my mind,
Speaker 3: that beautiful still shot, even the video of him putting
Speaker 3: his hand around alex Ee after the n because so
Speaker 3: many athletes would actually be a bit salty right like
Speaker 3: he was. He was leading that last leg of the
Speaker 3: running race by fifteen seconds. We kind of.
Speaker 2: Thought, well, I was nervous when the commentator said, I
Speaker 2: he's got gold in the bag. Basically, I was like,
Speaker 2: I know, those two guys are running quite quick, and.
Speaker 3: Look, I kind of had a vibe that Alexey was
Speaker 3: just gonna hoon on past it. I just kind of
Speaker 3: you it might happen, but so many, so many athletics
Speaker 3: would be pretty salty, or they just run away and
Speaker 3: kind of get a bit, you know, dark and store
Speaker 3: me off cameras. But it was just great sitting down
Speaker 3: next to him going, look mate, you did a really
Speaker 3: great job and he's still won silver. He's still he's
Speaker 3: still won, he's still placed. It was It was epic.
Speaker 2: And the other story the the our gold medal double
Speaker 2: skulls women. Yeah, absolutely, and who only eighteen months ago
Speaker 2: became mums and eighteen months later to compete in an
Speaker 2: Olympic Games and win gold. Ah wow, what a what
Speaker 2: a hell of a story you followed that.
Speaker 4: One, guys, they were amazing and actually and the women's
Speaker 4: rugby obviously, Oh yeah, yeah, they will get excited about
Speaker 4: the women's rugby.
Speaker 3: It was so great. No, the mother's as well, and
Speaker 3: initially and it wasn't until I came in and had
Speaker 3: to chat to you before the show, Tam, and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, you know, I always hate it when
Speaker 3: people kind of put labels on particular you know, business
Speaker 3: woman whatever, sports people whatever, calling the mothers, because I
Speaker 3: kind of feel like that shouldn't define them. But that's
Speaker 3: actually a narrative that they come up with on their own,
Speaker 3: and that was something that they wanted to trumpet, which
Speaker 3: I think is incredible that it's come from them.
Speaker 2: And I think also you could tell through the way
Speaker 2: that they spoke about the challenges that they'd had, you know,
Speaker 2: becoming new mums and then training and the support they
Speaker 2: had from their families. By the way, I didn't name them
Speaker 2: Lucy Spores and Brook Francis. It is it is quite
Speaker 2: an incredible story to have managed to achieve that. So,
Speaker 2: you know, so shortly after I guess, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: a guy. I haven't given birth, so I can't really
Speaker 2: comment on these things.
Speaker 3: But I haven't had kids either, but I've got friends
Speaker 3: to say it's it's a lot.
Speaker 2: It's a lot on the cards. Thank you to bringing
Speaker 2: it up the other actually, but actually I yeah, I
Speaker 2: think we've got Emma Twig and Tom McIntosh tonight maybe.
Speaker 2: But the other story is in the Olympics is while
Speaker 2: it's it's going to be a reach Foroe Hobbs to
Speaker 2: make the final, sorry not make the final, but to
Speaker 2: get a medal, the fact that we've got a New
Speaker 2: Zealand woman as a sprinter in the one hundred meters again,
Speaker 2: what an amazing achievement for a New Zealand athlete. So
Speaker 2: there's just so many Are you going to be peeled?
Speaker 2: Do you get up in the middle of the not
Speaker 2: you also to watch the.
Speaker 3: I'm a bit of a night I'm a bit of
Speaker 3: a night owl, so I'll stay up as late as possible,
Speaker 3: kind of in midnight one o'clock, kind of get in
Speaker 3: as much as they can, and then I'll wake with
Speaker 3: the morning and check my phone and watch the high lights.
Speaker 3: And I can't push myself past probably one as much
Speaker 3: as I'd like to. But yeah, so great. I love
Speaker 3: watching the athletics too. The decathlon I think was on
Speaker 3: last night. That was great, greatest line events.
Speaker 2: I just love the fact that the track is purple
Speaker 2: as well. I like, you know how French we're going
Speaker 2: to change the color. We're going to go with a
Speaker 2: sort of violet purple. Actually, they love the track and field.
Speaker 2: Oh by the way, Tom Walsh, both our shot putters
Speaker 2: have got into the into the final, Tom Walsh and god,
Speaker 2: my brain's gone jacko Gil.
Speaker 4: And did you see the shot of the javelin going
Speaker 4: right towards the TV camera?
Speaker 3: Oh? I miss that one dramatic effect. Fantastic shot.
Speaker 2: Well, the other thing is the technology we've got with
Speaker 2: the high definition cameras and everything, and I think that's
Speaker 2: actually why we feel we can become experts because the.
Speaker 3: Different angles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there was a moment where Simon Simone biles
Speaker 2: on Simone, I never know. She bent her knees when
Speaker 2: she went under the low horizontal bar, which I didn't
Speaker 2: initially notice. And I looked and I went, oh, that's right.
Speaker 2: She shouldn't have done that. Nice thing.
Speaker 3: Come it in potato chip. Does please tell me you
Speaker 3: recovered in potato chip? Does please don't leave me hanging here?
Speaker 3: I can't be the only one.
Speaker 2: And actually, you know what, people, if you are listening
Speaker 2: and you want to catch up with the action our
Speaker 2: commentary team and our team of journalists from Newstalks, he'd
Speaker 2: be doing an absolutely magnificent job on the commentary. So
Speaker 2: just a little bit of a tip of a captain
Speaker 2: of colleagues that that are doing that job right through
Speaker 2: the wee small hours. Right anyway, let's move away from Paris.
Speaker 2: That sounds like a bit of a downer. Doesn't that
Speaker 2: move you away from Paris as well? By just a
Speaker 2: quick note, I was really pleased they finally managed to
Speaker 2: swim in the seane. I mean, who knows whether Hayden
Speaker 2: had to spend the next day on the toilet or not,
Speaker 2: but you know.
Speaker 3: They might sprout a new limb or something as a
Speaker 3: result of it, but you know, yeah, I mean great,
Speaker 3: But the fact that I remember watching a report it
Speaker 3: was something about how they had to take tablets to
Speaker 3: stop them from getting sick, and then they've got eye
Speaker 3: drops so their eyes don't get infected, and I don't know, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't think you'd want to put your head under
Speaker 3: Absolutely not.
Speaker 2: Right, let's move on to let's move on to politics now.
Speaker 2: The government announces news legislation allowing roadside drug testing. Actually
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if this is particularly contentious, but I
Speaker 2: don't think it's the sort of thing where you just
Speaker 2: breathe into the chube for ten seconds, so they're not
Speaker 2: going to be exactly pulling over everyone and doing it.
Speaker 2: But what do you think of the whole roadside drug
Speaker 2: testing thing? Will Aman it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I think it's a sensible initiative. I think
Speaker 3: that there there's obviously, you know, drink driving problems with
Speaker 3: there's drug driving problems too, And I think that there's
Speaker 3: definitely a movement in a younger generation away from using
Speaker 3: alcohol and instead it's kind of a sober curious movement
Speaker 3: in terms of alcohol. But people are dabbling more in
Speaker 3: party drugs and thinking that it's okay because they haven't
Speaker 3: had five or six wines that they can actually you know,
Speaker 3: jump behind the wheel when they can't. I'd raise questions
Speaker 3: about the accuracy of it all, like how it's all
Speaker 3: going to work, what kind of you know, resource of
Speaker 3: technology're going to use. I think it's a saliva test,
Speaker 3: so you want to make sure that it's completely accurate.
Speaker 3: I also found it really interesting the penalties for it.
Speaker 3: I think I was reading the article. It was just
Speaker 3: saying an infringement notice and demerit points, which to me
Speaker 3: seems like it's not a very penalty. No, not at all,
Speaker 3: whereas with alcohol, right you can you get arrested, or
Speaker 3: you get your license taken off you, you can appear
Speaker 3: before the courts. Yeah, I'm concerned. It doesn't really seem like, yeah,
Speaker 3: much of it deterrent for something it would.
Speaker 4: Be big really same thoughts as well's.
Speaker 2: It's going to be a short par wouldn't be like
Speaker 2: do you think? I?
Speaker 4: I think? I think the reason it has taken so
Speaker 4: long is because it's very difficult to work out how
Speaker 4: to do it. Because of course, I mean, it's always
Speaker 4: been kind of weird that you know, obviously you're not
Speaker 4: supposed to drink and drive, but you know you could
Speaker 4: be completely trolley on drugs and you can go on
Speaker 4: drugs but mad. But I think it has been that
Speaker 4: it's been incredibly difficult to work out how to do it.
Speaker 4: So presumably they feel like they've got closer to working out.
Speaker 2: Well, science always gets us closer. That was a time
Speaker 2: probably with alcohol, where you had to get out and
Speaker 2: a straight line, in a straight line and sort of
Speaker 2: touch you.
Speaker 3: Recite the alphabet backwards.
Speaker 2: I did, why you I could probably do it gradual
Speaker 2: rest anyway. Yeah, So good luck to them on that
Speaker 2: one anyway. But you know what my thing is when
Speaker 2: it comes to Law and Homan in safety behind the wheel,
Speaker 2: I don't know why they don't make it a fifteen
Speaker 2: hundred dollars fine to use your bloody phone. There we
Speaker 2: go at the moment, isn't that something pathetic? And look
Speaker 2: that is a massive cause of well you can just
Speaker 2: tell at the traffic lights everybody, No, somebody doesn't pull
Speaker 2: away and you go too, and you can put you
Speaker 2: here on their phone and you look down. Somebody walks
Speaker 2: out in front of your box, it's a major cause
Speaker 2: of problems on the RWN.
Speaker 4: Texting one especially. I can understand that you could conceivably talk,
Speaker 4: but the texting like don't you have to look text? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Now there's another one, which is Look, I almost wonder
Speaker 2: if it depends on which side of the political divide
Speaker 2: you are so the youth offender. I'm not sure if
Speaker 2: the word boot camps is helpful because I think the
Speaker 2: game that gets played as people if you can brand
Speaker 2: something as boot camps because you've got the name boot camps,
Speaker 2: it can't work. But ten youth offenders began military style
Speaker 2: boot camp. If I can use that word on Monday,
Speaker 2: which officials are having to, will integrate them back into
Speaker 2: society successfully. Anyway, Look, I'm all for the for them
Speaker 2: giving it a go, and what do you think willhelmina?
Speaker 3: Look, I don't know. I think it's it's great that
Speaker 3: something is there's an attempt to do something to address
Speaker 3: the problem, but I just don't think internationally it's shown
Speaker 3: that it works. I think if you put them giving
Speaker 3: people or kids schedules is obviously great, but what happens
Speaker 3: after the fact, I feel like more iff it should
Speaker 3: actually be being put into preventing them from getting into
Speaker 3: crime in the first place, rather than putting them into
Speaker 3: a boot camp where they're going to come out the
Speaker 3: other side and be integrated back into the community and
Speaker 3: probably have not have the support systems that they actually
Speaker 3: need to stop them in the first place. I just
Speaker 3: I can't see it working. And I think Karen Shaw
Speaker 3: was saying, look that the way that we'll measure its
Speaker 3: success is harm reduction in the community. Well, what does
Speaker 3: that mean? Where are the metrics that actually represent what
Speaker 3: kind of impact that it's going to have? You know,
Speaker 3: I remember when I used to write scripts when I
Speaker 3: was a reporter back at news Hub. My producers used
Speaker 3: to say, never finish your script with the line only
Speaker 3: time will tell. Well, I kind of feel like the
Speaker 3: same thing applies here. Only time will tell. It's just
Speaker 3: so broad it can't be measured. I just think there
Speaker 3: are better ways to go about it.
Speaker 2: I think the only thing is I think that people
Speaker 2: say you find a version of the boot camps where
Speaker 2: it's just you shove them and you basically give them
Speaker 2: discipline and then throw them back into society. It's like saying,
Speaker 2: if you've only driven a larder, you shouldn't dam all
Speaker 2: cars for all time. And I think that the government
Speaker 2: it's not like we're throwing hundreds of kids into this.
Speaker 2: It's ten people who are going to get and I
Speaker 2: guess discipline. But there are a whole lot of wrap
Speaker 2: around services, and I hope that there is a way
Speaker 2: of doing this stuff where you can take them out
Speaker 2: of their environment and introduce them to discipline and a
Speaker 2: bit of routine and things like that, where the other
Speaker 2: services that go with it. I mean, I just think
Speaker 2: it's a bit crude for politicians to go, oh, it's
Speaker 2: a boot camp and it's out as opposed to well,
Speaker 2: surely there are different ways of Maybe that expression is
Speaker 2: not not even the right one to apply, if you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, what do you think I ring?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean historically the really pure military style ones, yes,
Speaker 4: haven't worked, and there is you know, there's strong evidence
Speaker 4: of that, both in New Zealand and globally. And of
Speaker 4: course you know this has to ended up timing with
Speaker 4: the release of their Abuse and Care report, which you know,
Speaker 4: which actually has highlighted some of the terrors of those things.
Speaker 4: I think because this has been so criticized, I think
Speaker 4: quite a lot of care is now going into how
Speaker 4: they actually do do this one with these ten people,
Speaker 4: and I think it is going to be broader and
Speaker 4: a bit more tailored to these particular young folk and
Speaker 4: you know, really trying to help them. And there certainly
Speaker 4: are things you could do where there's a bit of
Speaker 4: you know, I wouldn't say military component, but maybe like
Speaker 4: an exercise component, and there's a cultural and educational and
Speaker 4: you know, maybe there's even some art and music, and
Speaker 4: I mean there's differently things you could do that would
Speaker 4: be I think more helpful than a pure military style thing.
Speaker 4: And I think they are going to throw throw everything
Speaker 4: at this try and make it work. But that then
Speaker 4: begs the question of if they throw that much money
Speaker 4: at it, could you just actually have helped those ten
Speaker 4: people by spending money on getting them better lives, better housing,
Speaker 4: better whatever.
Speaker 2: Well, there are more than ten people and bookers. If
Speaker 2: you are trying to do that, that's a massive thing.
Speaker 2: These are the ten offenders who've been through probably quite
Speaker 2: a lot of the justice system already. I would say,
Speaker 2: to get to this program, you are really dying work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a small proportion of those young offenders.
Speaker 3: I just think that resource could be better spent stopping
Speaker 3: them from getting them in the first place. And a
Speaker 3: lot of it comes from that trauma of a childhood
Speaker 3: where they're moving from home to home that I don't
Speaker 3: really have any routes, they try and find some sense
Speaker 3: of comfort and you know, aligning with the gangs and
Speaker 3: committing crime. I just feel like that time and resource
Speaker 3: and that level of care that we've just highlighted could
Speaker 3: be given before they get into the situation.
Speaker 2: So every day is going to start with a wake
Speaker 2: up call six thirty, physical drills, education, employment pathway training, mentoring,
Speaker 2: fucker puppa and cultural connection and lights out at nine
Speaker 2: point thirty. But that'll be a new one.
Speaker 3: But wasn't it It was I think what the actual
Speaker 3: program itself was it six weeks or three months, and
Speaker 3: then they were going to get support for nine months
Speaker 3: in total. But what happens after that nine months if
Speaker 3: they don't have family, Well, it's not really going to
Speaker 3: make a difference, is it. They're just going to go
Speaker 3: back to what's familiar.
Speaker 2: But then that's an argument for not I mean, that's
Speaker 2: an argument that says there's no hype hever for these kids.
Speaker 3: I guess, well, I definitely think there's hope. I just
Speaker 3: think that it needs to be before they get themselves
Speaker 3: into the situation, that the help needs to happen before
Speaker 3: they lose their way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, indeed. Okay, well we'll wait and see, by
Speaker 2: the way on that. In fact, we might take a break.
Speaker 2: Actually we do need to take a moment. We'll come
Speaker 2: back and we have a chat quick chet about just
Speaker 2: the toxicity of Parliament or yes, and Karen Turre, who's
Speaker 2: a pretty tough nutter is and it ended up in
Speaker 2: tears and stormy out of an interview. But so Parliament's
Speaker 2: not a happy place these days, it doesn't seem. We'll
Speaker 2: come back and have a little bit of a chat
Speaker 2: around that. Gosh, I'd rather talk about the Olympics, which
Speaker 2: is a happy place. But we'll try, you know, we'll
Speaker 2: just visit with the odd little moment of joy. Hopefully
Speaker 2: we can talk about Will's being in love, that we
Speaker 2: need something, we need to gas twenty seven and a
Speaker 2: half past three, Baby, don't you when you're playing them
Speaker 2: he's drinking. No, you're thinking about me when you're riding
Speaker 2: where he's damming. Now you miss a mystery. Damn the
Speaker 2: time he goes around me. See when you're playing them more,
Speaker 2: he's drinking. Now you're thinking bound me coming along? Where's
Speaker 2: that sucking your dad slacking nose? Host? Welcome back to
Speaker 2: the Weekend Collective. This is the panel. I'mton Beverage. My guess, uh,
Speaker 2: the lovely Wilhelmina Shrimpton and the lovely Irene Gardener and
Speaker 2: the erudite and wonderful guest. Two guests we have here.
Speaker 2: I don't know I was making out off as it
Speaker 2: went along there actually, but you know it's you know,
Speaker 2: it was all positive stuff. I think. So we think
Speaker 2: we're quite safe.
Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, lovely and lovely.
Speaker 2: I know I was going to go with a different
Speaker 2: objectively than I thought. I needed to treat you equally.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 2: Hey, it has been a bit of it. It's been
Speaker 2: a pretty tough week for Karen saw in Parliament, and
Speaker 2: I just do worry that without honing on specific issues,
Speaker 2: but the bullying, the nature of attacking the playing the
Speaker 2: person and not the issue. She's been accused of not
Speaker 2: being Mari enough and being a puppet of the ACT
Speaker 2: Party and all this sort of stuff. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just think that the political discourse is getting a
Speaker 2: little bit more less respectful and a little bit nastier.
Speaker 2: And I'm not sure they're setting a very good example
Speaker 2: for the way we should all treat each other.
Speaker 3: Wilhelmina, oh full name, very serious instead of wells. I
Speaker 3: thought we're friends, Timothy.
Speaker 2: It makes me sound like i'd be very naughty.
Speaker 3: I think it's it's definitely a past and that it
Speaker 3: appears that Parliament is a pretty toxic place and can
Speaker 3: be a toxic place. And I think that bullying seems
Speaker 3: to be an issue, but I think that billying seems
Speaker 3: to be an issue in a lot of workplaces. It's
Speaker 3: just obviously this one's very much under the public spotlight,
Speaker 3: under the microscope that everyone can kind of see and
Speaker 3: is in the media. It's tricky because you don't ever
Speaker 3: want anyone to feel like they can't speak out and
Speaker 3: that they're silenced. But I don't know, and it just
Speaker 3: goes to show how much pressure she was under or
Speaker 3: is currently under. But I just don't know if airing
Speaker 3: those situations in the public arena is actually a good
Speaker 3: space because it detracts away from the issues at hand. However,
Speaker 3: if she felt so stressed that she couldn't actually raise
Speaker 3: the A. Sure she has raise the issue, nothing's been done. Well,
Speaker 3: then people feel like they don't really have another option.
Speaker 2: Yeah, God, who got into politics are?
Speaker 4: I do not know, not me, that's sure. It is
Speaker 4: an absolute bear pit and it always has been. Maybe
Speaker 4: they've tried to get it a little better, and maybe
Speaker 4: we noticemare I mean to be that it was just
Speaker 4: expected that if you you know that you'd just be
Speaker 4: resilient and you would just roll with it. I mean,
Speaker 4: that doesn't really wash. If it ever did, it certainly
Speaker 4: doesn't now. The one of the things I picked up
Speaker 4: in this, and I have noticed this before, I do
Speaker 4: feel for people of Mardi heritage who are on the
Speaker 4: right of politics. They do seem to get a really
Speaker 4: hard time in a way that I think is actually
Speaker 4: quite racist. There's a sort of lis you know, you're.
Speaker 3: Not Maldy enough.
Speaker 2: I find it absolutely because you.
Speaker 4: Look at issues in a different way. And I mean
Speaker 4: I don't even necessarily agree with the way that they
Speaker 4: look at the issue, but I'm not going to say,
Speaker 4: you know, you're not Maldy enough. That's a horrible thing
Speaker 4: to say.
Speaker 3: I think that's quite well.
Speaker 2: It's almost like, how long is it since Martin Luther
Speaker 2: King made that statement for a time when we judge
Speaker 2: people by the content of their character rather than the
Speaker 2: color of their skin. Hello New Zealand parliamentarians.
Speaker 3: I feel like a mixed heritage should actually be a superpower,
Speaker 3: right like you you can no, but no, but in
Speaker 3: a way that you can appeal and you can relate
Speaker 3: to people from different facets of society, and you know,
Speaker 3: you've got a connection to know the right, and you've
Speaker 3: got a connection to the Malder community, and you can
Speaker 3: kind of use your shared connections to actually build a
Speaker 3: bridge between the two different communities. I just don't really
Speaker 3: see why people are. You know, it's a problem if
Speaker 3: you're not one hundred percent one or one hundred percent
Speaker 3: the other. I think it's actually really really sad somehow.
Speaker 2: I can't I can't. Don't think it would come across
Speaker 2: well if I celebrated just my magnificence because I'm a
Speaker 2: combination of Scottish and Viking. Yeah, maybe not quite the
Speaker 2: same thing anyway. Hey, international politics, now, I don't know
Speaker 2: how much it resonates in New Zealand, but this prisoner
Speaker 2: swap between Russia and the West. The more I read
Speaker 2: about this the more you see how much work went
Speaker 2: into it. I think there were sixteen prisoners from return
Speaker 2: from Russia and return from eight who went the other way.
Speaker 2: But the efforts diplomacy and getting people home, including the
Speaker 2: recently convicted Gershwitz guy from the Washington Post, that is
Speaker 2: actually quite an It almost seems like old school sort
Speaker 2: of East West cole Woard diplomacy victories. But Irena, it's
Speaker 2: actually quite a remarkable feat and for the Biden administration
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: It's incredible.
Speaker 4: And funnily enough, the last time I was on, I
Speaker 4: was talking about Joe Biden because he'd just done the
Speaker 4: terrible debate performance. But I was saying that thing of yeah,
Speaker 4: he's getting older. He's not a great speaker anymore, if
Speaker 4: he ever was, because he's always had to control the stutter.
Speaker 4: But he has been an incredibly good president in the
Speaker 4: sense of getting things done and just sort of quiet
Speaker 4: diplomacy behind the scenes, and you know, working with a
Speaker 4: lot of different people. He's been incredible. He's actually been
Speaker 4: you know, I think history will judge him very well
Speaker 4: as a president who was able to make a lot
Speaker 4: of things happen. And this is incredible. This is actually
Speaker 4: an amazing achievement for him and a whole lot of
Speaker 4: other people. But I just think it is a good
Speaker 4: example of why he has been such a great president,
Speaker 4: even though the decision has now been made for him
Speaker 4: to step aside, you know, in terms of the next term,
Speaker 4: it's you know, it's quite good having him still in there,
Speaker 4: or things like this, And there was that also, you know,
Speaker 4: we're talking about magical moments before. There was a lovely
Speaker 4: moment we pulled off his president flag pin and Pinda
Speaker 4: on one of the guys, which.
Speaker 2: Well, again see that that first part of the Martin
Speaker 2: Luther King quote. People like to have a crack at
Speaker 2: button because of his age and things. But the content
Speaker 2: of his character as a president, I think is going
Speaker 2: to be a good legacy is going to leave, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Willelmina Wells, Wells, Wells, Wells, Wells, Wells. It's because it's
Speaker 2: a serious topic.
Speaker 3: I need to add them those extra syllables, gravitas. You know,
Speaker 3: I get it, I get it, I get it one
Speaker 3: hundred percent. I think, if you know, it's it's obviously
Speaker 3: his his his time and this role has come to
Speaker 3: a sudden end and a very very you know, dramatic end,
Speaker 3: I guess one would say, but he has left lasting
Speaker 3: impression here in a lasting memory and a lasting legacy.
Speaker 3: I think it's a great show of diplomacy between what
Speaker 3: would be you know, two parts of society or you know,
Speaker 3: particular nations that don't exactly see eye to eye. And
Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, if this was one thing
Speaker 3: that he could do before he actually exited, it's a
Speaker 3: great thing. I don't know what it will actually if
Speaker 3: it will mean anything for relations ongoing with Russia. I
Speaker 3: kind of feel like this is a thing in itself.
Speaker 3: This is quite separate to the to the Ukraine Russia conflict,
Speaker 3: but good on him for doing something that has obviously
Speaker 3: made a massive difference.
Speaker 2: Also incredibly complex, and it goes back to the times
Speaker 2: when alex da Valne was going to be included in
Speaker 2: the prisoner swap and it's gone on for that long.
Speaker 2: Of course, he's since been bumped off.
Speaker 4: His wife has been quite involved in, you know, behind
Speaker 4: the scenes. And there was an interesting interaction with the
Speaker 4: journalist where they said to Biden, or but what about
Speaker 4: so and so that you know the teacher, you know,
Speaker 4: there's still nothing there and and Biden yes, yes, we're
Speaker 4: working on that. We're working on that and well what
Speaker 4: are you doing? Yeah, like I'm going to tell you
Speaker 4: that and.
Speaker 2: Ruin that.
Speaker 3: Humorous sometimes it's good, which is good. We love too.
Speaker 2: Right, We're going to be back in just a moment
Speaker 2: where with my panelist Wilhelmina Shrimpton and Irene Gardner. I'm
Speaker 2: Tim Beverage is coming up to twenty to four news
Speaker 2: talk zib Welcome back to the Weekend Collective, Umpton Beverage.
Speaker 2: My guests, so Wilhelmina Shrimpson otherwise known as Will's and
Speaker 2: Irene Gardner. And now that song. Just for a fun
Speaker 2: fact for you, I've We've made Wilhelmina very happy because
Speaker 2: this is your of course, has I introduced you. There's
Speaker 2: been a Women's Day article talking about you and Ben
Speaker 2: in the rugby reef and and your plans for the future,
Speaker 2: and this is your songs.
Speaker 3: And funnily enough, the last time I did a talkback chef,
Speaker 3: this played out of the break and I think I
Speaker 3: gave him a little shout out. I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: my partner, I love the song. We're just disgustingly cheesy, aren't.
Speaker 4: We, Because the version of this song I know is
Speaker 4: the much, much, much older one with Susi Quatro and
Speaker 4: her partner of the time from Smoky what's his name,
Speaker 4: Norman la Ones like dance I know this from like
Speaker 4: the seventies.
Speaker 2: Wow, I just assumed they were one and the same.
Speaker 2: But it's okay, you know it's got that's right, it's
Speaker 2: got a slightly more modern beat anyway, speaking of modern entertainment,
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a poor link. I think
Speaker 2: this is a fascinating story. The whole ethics and the
Speaker 2: unwritten rules that society has rules and we have norms,
Speaker 2: and it's like a norm that you can sort of
Speaker 2: smuggle food into a movie theater. You're not supposed to.
Speaker 2: It's against the rules, but the rulers don't get caught.
Speaker 2: So there are a couple of there are a couple
Speaker 2: of women who've been banned from a movie theater after
Speaker 2: they brought in their own food. They've been trespassed from
Speaker 2: a movie theatre and pooka koe for bringing in their
Speaker 2: own food.
Speaker 3: But I said the movie title was despicable me.
Speaker 2: As well, exactly. But here's the here's the thing I
Speaker 2: think that tells a or leaves room for a bit
Speaker 2: of imagination. They claimed they didn't see any signs of
Speaker 2: preventing food, and the police were called after the exchange
Speaker 2: became heated. So I'm putting it on them because you
Speaker 2: know what, if you have brought food into a theater
Speaker 2: and one of the ashes or movie manager, cinema manager
Speaker 2: comes up and says, I'm sorry, you're not allowed to
Speaker 2: bring food into the theater unless you've pitched it on
Speaker 2: the premises, can you please take it out? I would say, oh, sorry,
Speaker 2: and I'd either quickly shove the whole pine in my
Speaker 2: mouth and go gone, come on, I'd exit. Iren. Have
Speaker 2: you ever smuggled food into a cinema?
Speaker 4: No, I know I have, but in my case it
Speaker 4: would be like a tiny, you know, snack bar of
Speaker 4: my choosing that, you.
Speaker 2: Know, And you know, I thought you were going to
Speaker 2: say a cammbera and a fine rose.
Speaker 4: Apple or something, and you know, you'd just be a
Speaker 4: bit subtle about it. But I understand why it's a rule,
Speaker 4: and actually, quite frankly, in these days where it's incredibly
Speaker 4: difficult to get people to go to the cinema, you know,
Speaker 4: good luck to them for making some money on the
Speaker 4: candy bar. I reckon. There's a whole lot more to
Speaker 4: this story than you know. This is one of those
Speaker 4: there's ten sides to every story. For this to have
Speaker 4: escalated the way it did, either the people or the
Speaker 4: staff behaved very rudely and badly, or they both did.
Speaker 3: There's a key question here that hasn't been answered. Guys,
Speaker 3: what was the food in question?
Speaker 4: It was it was movie type food. It was popcorn.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, so a lot of chips and stuff that
Speaker 4: they could have bordered the camp.
Speaker 3: There's a spectrum of snacks, right, so you know you've
Speaker 3: got the movie type food, right. You go to the countdown,
Speaker 3: you discount every day rewards whatever. Malteseers or there's people
Speaker 3: who bring in like a whole pack lunch, like a
Speaker 3: sandwiche or a you know, a Burger King meal or
Speaker 3: something which is probably not okay, smuggling in a bag
Speaker 3: of M and ms. I think they had quite a lot, right, Okay, So.
Speaker 2: Maybe they've taken their children, both five to see to
Speaker 2: Spica a woman, and.
Speaker 4: They had quite a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3: I had once taking a Burger King combo, chips and
Speaker 3: lollies they were to rush to.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. They were chips. They want to rush
Speaker 2: to get their tickets. But you see, they wouldn't have
Speaker 2: been in a rush if they hadn't had to go
Speaker 2: somewhere else to get their food beforehand.
Speaker 3: They're in the New World. They're in the line at
Speaker 3: the New World on the countdown. I think, yeah, are.
Speaker 2: You actually I think you were slightly beheadedness going on
Speaker 2: around it all?
Speaker 3: Both potentially, what about with the constant living crisis, right,
Speaker 3: movie tickets are twenty bucks each? What about a Bayo charge?
Speaker 3: You know you pay five dollars or eight dollars for
Speaker 3: corkage at a at a you know, Thai restaurant. What
Speaker 3: about a Bayo movie charge? You know Byo snacks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds complicated, doesn't because it's of course you're
Speaker 2: going to avoid that charge to be like, oh I
Speaker 2: don't want to pay the Byo charge. Just don't show it,
Speaker 2: just keep it.
Speaker 3: But it does rely on people's honestly, you I mean
Speaker 3: you would sort of think the staff member might have said, hey,
Speaker 3: you're not really allowed to do that, don't do it again. Actually,
Speaker 3: but it's okay for this.
Speaker 2: And the other thing is my I actually haven't been
Speaker 2: to the cinema for so long I couldn't even tell
Speaker 2: you when the last time was, but I do remember
Speaker 2: the last time going. You get your tickets and then
Speaker 2: you get your snacks, and you go, how much was
Speaker 2: it for a glass of wine and a thing of popcorn?
Speaker 2: How much that's more than the Oh my goodness, maybe
Speaker 2: we should have brought our own.
Speaker 4: But that's what's keeping the cinema alive. So hard now
Speaker 4: for them, so you know, you can't begrudge that, I think.
Speaker 3: And actually, my local movie theater, which I think might
Speaker 3: actually tie into what we're going to talk about next.
Speaker 3: My local movie theater does Uber eats with why know?
Speaker 3: But Ober eats with the popcorn and the Maltesers and everything.
Speaker 3: Because I love movie popcorn. There's nothing more satisfying to
Speaker 3: me than sitting down with one of those giant tubes
Speaker 3: and the salty buttery of deliciousness yum is like my
Speaker 3: I think I like it more than the actual movie,
Speaker 3: to be honest. Is going there for the popcorn. And
Speaker 3: the other day I ordered it was buy one, get
Speaker 3: one free. By the way, Yeah, what the biggest popcorn
Speaker 3: container you could possibly buy? Buy and get one free?
Speaker 3: So I bought two of those and a pack of
Speaker 3: Maltesers and had a little movie night. It was great.
Speaker 2: Lovely can be on the couch. Actually, sorry, what I
Speaker 2: don't actually how long? How long since you guys went
Speaker 2: to the cinema last weekend? Okay, of course you're in
Speaker 2: date dating mode. Of course, what about you?
Speaker 4: I'm not going to answer, honestly, because as the president
Speaker 4: of the Screen Producers Guild, I should be going to
Speaker 4: the cinema all the time. So I'm not going to
Speaker 4: answer because actually.
Speaker 2: Might incriminate you.
Speaker 3: It's a little wow.
Speaker 2: If you were going to go to a movie, is
Speaker 2: any thing I couldn't tell you a single movie that
Speaker 2: wasn't book?
Speaker 4: That was because it's a fabulous local one book one.
Speaker 2: Okay, there we go. There's a recommendation from our own.
Speaker 2: There's one for you and been to go and watch
Speaker 2: last weekend?
Speaker 3: What do we see? Dead Pool and Wolverine?
Speaker 2: Oh it was out the gate a romantic movie. Yeah, lovely, Okay,
Speaker 2: you can't take a moment. I'm just going to recover.
Speaker 2: I have a cup of tea and a lie down
Speaker 2: and we'll be back in just to tick. It's eleven
Speaker 2: minutes to four. News talks' b Yes, welcome back to
Speaker 2: the Weekend Collective. This is the parallel I'm tion beverage
Speaker 2: my guests of Wilhelmina Shrimpton and Irene Gardener. Actually, just
Speaker 2: a lot of people texted me about the story about
Speaker 2: the women being kicked out of the cinema, and everyone
Speaker 2: on the text, even though it's not in the article
Speaker 2: that I'm reading, said that they also brought a movie
Speaker 2: snack was KFC and the staff are sick of picking
Speaker 2: up bones, and I can imagine that would be a goodness, Yeah,
Speaker 2: chicken bones if that is true.
Speaker 4: And I don't know that it is because it wasn't
Speaker 4: an original story, but if that is true, I think
Speaker 4: you can't bring in things that smell hot food.
Speaker 3: The speicture of snacks.
Speaker 2: Some people should leave themselves out of the theater and that.
Speaker 3: No hot food, but you know, tempah cold fertisfied.
Speaker 2: Actually just we've only got a couple of minutes, but
Speaker 2: I do want to touch on this, and it's a
Speaker 2: bit of a we're switching back to the US politics,
Speaker 2: but I thought it was worth mentioning that the guy
Speaker 2: who has correctly predicted at almost every US election since
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four has now completed as forecasting for the
Speaker 2: US election and reckons that Karmala Harris has got the
Speaker 2: is going to win. He's forecasting win for Karmala Harris.
Speaker 2: And the reason I think it's remarkable is that before
Speaker 2: Biden announced that he was stepping down, I didn't think
Speaker 2: Karmala Harris was the answer. But it seems that the
Speaker 2: momentum behind her, her irene is massive.
Speaker 4: It is. It's really energized things in a way that
Speaker 4: I wouldn't necessarily have predicted. It's weirdly, I know a
Speaker 4: lot of people thought Joe Biden should have stepped down earlier,
Speaker 4: but weirdly, the timing of it has ended up being
Speaker 4: strategically perfect. In some stranger jd Vance was, he's been
Speaker 4: appointed and they're you know, they're not a great combo
Speaker 4: against her. It's coming with this big rush of energy.
Speaker 4: I think they've managed to do it in a way
Speaker 4: that's kept Joe Biden's dignity. It's I think I think
Speaker 4: she probably is going to want I.
Speaker 2: Subject to their electoral College.
Speaker 4: Well, they've got such a weird system. They've got such
Speaker 4: a weird system, and their polling is never to be trusted.
Speaker 4: But can I just say for my own record that
Speaker 4: I predicted that the year that Trump won, I predicted
Speaker 4: it right the year that Biden won, and I predicted
Speaker 4: that the midterms would be a blue wave, not a
Speaker 4: red wave. So I'm on a good roll.
Speaker 2: Well what's your prediction now, Kamala. Yes, there we go.
Speaker 3: I'm excited. I think just well refreshing, exciting. It's exactly
Speaker 3: what was needed. I think that what should be commended
Speaker 3: is her marketing team. Oh my gosh, they've been working
Speaker 3: hard behind the scenes, haven't they. I mean, they clearly
Speaker 3: knew that this was coming, and they came out with
Speaker 3: a bang and a bang so big that everyone stopped
Speaker 3: talking about the assassination attempt in favor of Biden stepping
Speaker 3: down and Karmala stepping up.
Speaker 2: What is that only is how many weeks ago? As that?
Speaker 2: Is it two or three weeks ago?
Speaker 3: Yes, it feels like not that long ago month. And
Speaker 3: that was, you know, an historic moment, that was huge,
Speaker 3: huge news news. And the fact that that has just
Speaker 3: disappeared into the ether, I think just goes to show
Speaker 3: how strong her campaign is. I think she's going to
Speaker 3: pollogic indo six weeks out or whatever. She's one of
Speaker 3: the zeitgeist of the election period.
Speaker 2: I think it's about ninety six days or something to go. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so actually, thank goodness, it's only less than hundred days
Speaker 2: at least as opposed to this ridiculously long campaign.
Speaker 3: But it's exciting. It's so exciting now and I feel
Speaker 3: positive about it, whereas before I was terrified.
Speaker 2: Well that's good as well. Hey, thank you so much
Speaker 2: for coming an, Irene Gardener, Wilhelmina Shrimpton. Been a great
Speaker 2: fun panel. And you know you can put your feet
Speaker 2: up now. You can nurse your dog bite there, Irene,
Speaker 2: and you can go carry on the canedling on the
Speaker 2: couch Willem and Shrimpton with the love of your life.
Speaker 4: Okay, nothing you jealous or anything anyway, and.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much. Great to see you guys. We'll be
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