WEBVTT - The Panel: Medals, boot camps, prisoner swaps 0:00:05.761 --> 0:00:09.681 You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks AB. 0:00:10.321 --> 0:00:13.001 Right now, it is time for the panel. By the way, 0:00:14.841 --> 0:00:17.761 actually I'm in actually quite a good mood today and 0:00:17.801 --> 0:00:19.401 I just sort of thought i'd share it, but that 0:00:19.841 --> 0:00:24.161 sometimes parental vicarious pleasure is quite quite a good mood 0:00:24.241 --> 0:00:27.881 lift because my daughter had a hockey game and I'm 0:00:27.961 --> 0:00:30.201 bit worried it became that noisy parent on the sideline 0:00:30.201 --> 0:00:33.481 because she scored four goals, so more than a hat trick, 0:00:33.521 --> 0:00:37.201 and I was getting very much who yah. But anyway, 0:00:38.001 --> 0:00:40.161 it was It's a great way to start a Saturday, 0:00:40.241 --> 0:00:43.401 is all I can say. Anyway. And by the way, 0:00:43.721 --> 0:00:46.441 we'll be keeping up to date with actually not keeping 0:00:46.481 --> 0:00:47.641 up to date with any of olymp it's what am 0:00:47.681 --> 0:00:49.321 I saying. That's going to be something we're going to 0:00:49.321 --> 0:00:51.001 cover in the panel. In just a moment, which is 0:00:51.161 --> 0:00:53.601 actually not just in just a moment. It's right now 0:00:53.801 --> 0:00:58.601 time to introduce my panelists. My first panelist, what can 0:00:58.641 --> 0:01:01.201 I say about her? She is and I read this, 0:01:01.401 --> 0:01:05.721 she is so in love right now. She is absolutely smitten. 0:01:05.761 --> 0:01:09.441 She's smitten with some guy called Ben, and apparently she 0:01:09.521 --> 0:01:12.401 definitely sees marriage and children on the cards. I also 0:01:12.441 --> 0:01:15.761 think she's a journalist. At times, she's been a newsreader, 0:01:15.801 --> 0:01:18.161 and she's got her own media company, Wills and Co. 0:01:18.321 --> 0:01:22.641 But please welcome the very much in Love Wilhelmina Kate Trimpton. 0:01:23.041 --> 0:01:25.041 I picked the wrong day to come in the day 0:01:25.041 --> 0:01:29.241 that it gets uploaded to the Herald website. Oh God, hello, 0:01:29.841 --> 0:01:31.721 thanks for having me very much in love, very happy 0:01:31.721 --> 0:01:32.121 to be here. 0:01:32.321 --> 0:01:35.161 It was a lovely story though, And did you you're 0:01:35.241 --> 0:01:36.801 the photo of you in front of the taj Mahalan. 0:01:36.841 --> 0:01:38.961 You've been to Paris and everything, and just just the 0:01:38.961 --> 0:01:39.721 story about love. 0:01:39.801 --> 0:01:41.081 Yeah, it has been a bit of a will wind, 0:01:41.121 --> 0:01:41.961 a lovely will wind. 0:01:42.201 --> 0:01:44.481 Yeah. And the reason I sort of mentioned it is well, 0:01:44.641 --> 0:01:47.241 it was I was slightly being mischievous in the way 0:01:47.281 --> 0:01:50.241 of introducing But it's nice to celebrate these moments, isn't that? 0:01:50.361 --> 0:01:52.121 It was just nice to read you know that you're 0:01:52.401 --> 0:01:53.641 you're rocking and rolling, Wills. 0:01:53.801 --> 0:01:54.121 It is. 0:01:54.201 --> 0:01:57.481 And look, it's been a long and winding, crazy, wild 0:01:57.561 --> 0:01:59.321 journey to get there, and it's just yeah, it's just 0:01:59.401 --> 0:02:02.201 nice to just be happy. I think it sounds pretty 0:02:02.201 --> 0:02:02.601 simple of it. 0:02:02.761 --> 0:02:04.841 You're really darling day article. 0:02:07.161 --> 0:02:10.041 I'm trying to fak news. No, it's not news. It's 0:02:10.081 --> 0:02:11.681 all true. It's all true. I mean every word. 0:02:13.721 --> 0:02:16.401 Anyway, I don't know how to follow that. My next 0:02:16.441 --> 0:02:19.521 guest is she's a long time television producer. I mean, 0:02:19.521 --> 0:02:21.681 we use the word long time advisedly because it's not 0:02:21.721 --> 0:02:24.081 necessarily that long a time. I just put it in italics. 0:02:24.081 --> 0:02:28.161 And she's she's executive producer. She's done heaps in media. Actually, 0:02:28.161 --> 0:02:30.201 she was a I think a content producer for New 0:02:30.281 --> 0:02:36.201 Zealand on air for a Golden Area. That's right on screen, 0:02:36.201 --> 0:02:40.001 that's right. And she's recently the survivor of a nasty 0:02:40.041 --> 0:02:44.281 dog attack at a friend's dinner. And it's Irene Gardner. Irene, 0:02:44.321 --> 0:02:44.801 how are you? 0:02:46.841 --> 0:02:49.721 I'm fine, but yeah, you don't really expect to go 0:02:49.761 --> 0:02:52.041 around your friend's place and get put top. 0:02:52.121 --> 0:02:54.281 Where did you get but I mean my lower leg? 0:02:54.561 --> 0:02:57.041 Oh really? What did you do? Why had you irritated 0:02:57.041 --> 0:02:57.721 the dog so much? 0:02:57.761 --> 0:03:01.601 Then? I know the dogs just quite unsettled, I think 0:03:01.681 --> 0:03:04.001 by myself and my friend being round at our friend's 0:03:04.001 --> 0:03:06.601 place and I got up from the table just to 0:03:06.601 --> 0:03:09.881 go to the kitchen to get something, and he kind 0:03:09.881 --> 0:03:12.241 of rushed me and nipped my leg. 0:03:12.561 --> 0:03:13.921 Really I was, you know, kind of. 0:03:13.961 --> 0:03:15.641 I mean, I'm a farm kid, so I'm kind of 0:03:15.641 --> 0:03:16.721 hosted being you. 0:03:16.721 --> 0:03:18.041 Know, nipped by dogs. 0:03:18.641 --> 0:03:20.401 But it was a bit kind of and yeah, I've 0:03:20.441 --> 0:03:23.081 actually ended up with quite a massive bruise. 0:03:23.321 --> 0:03:25.241 Really, what sort of dog was a little. 0:03:25.001 --> 0:03:25.921 Bit of broken skin? 0:03:26.241 --> 0:03:31.961 It was a poodle, which is unexpected pod a Biggish poodle. 0:03:32.041 --> 0:03:32.921 A Biggish poodle. 0:03:33.041 --> 0:03:34.401 Yeah, a Gnali poodle. 0:03:34.521 --> 0:03:35.401 Going to name the poodle? 0:03:35.481 --> 0:03:40.041 No name, Shane. Nice to have you both in the studio. Now, look, 0:03:40.441 --> 0:03:44.281 I have been I love the Olympics, and there have 0:03:44.321 --> 0:03:48.761 been some wonderful, wonderful moments already. Wills, what are you? 0:03:48.801 --> 0:03:49.801 What do you? 0:03:49.841 --> 0:03:54.841 Will's great? Wells, we're mates now we've crossed the threshole. 0:03:54.961 --> 0:03:55.561 We have friends. 0:03:55.641 --> 0:03:59.041 Yeah exactly, but yeah, are you loving the Olympics. 0:03:59.121 --> 0:04:01.081 I'm loving it. It's so great. And then also all 0:04:01.121 --> 0:04:03.281 the random sports that you probably have never really watched 0:04:03.281 --> 0:04:06.401 before and spent much time actually, you know, learning about 0:04:06.441 --> 0:04:10.441 and looking at and it's just great. And I'm a 0:04:10.481 --> 0:04:13.641 big fan of the gymnastics. And the one thing that 0:04:13.681 --> 0:04:15.401 I also love as well is how it seems like 0:04:15.401 --> 0:04:18.161 the entire population has decided there's suddenly you know, experts 0:04:18.161 --> 0:04:20.401 in half of these sports, and there's these great memes 0:04:20.401 --> 0:04:22.201 that are all going around. You know, You're lying on 0:04:22.201 --> 0:04:23.561 your couch with the feet up in the air and 0:04:23.601 --> 0:04:26.361 potato chip dust on your chest, and you're like, oh god, 0:04:26.961 --> 0:04:30.321 that dismount. She really didn't nail it, did she, you know, 0:04:30.321 --> 0:04:32.401 and how we analyight? You know, I just think it's great. 0:04:32.521 --> 0:04:33.801 I mean, I like to think of myself as a 0:04:33.841 --> 0:04:35.601 bit of an experts station. Not really, I just sit 0:04:35.641 --> 0:04:38.961 there with covered in chip dust, you know, sharing my 0:04:39.041 --> 0:04:43.281 opinion about you know, someone. Biles's dismount actually always on point. 0:04:43.361 --> 0:04:47.241 By the way, Actually I was watching some highlights the 0:04:47.241 --> 0:04:49.721 other night and it was the horizontal bars. In fact, 0:04:49.801 --> 0:04:52.601 I think it was her teammates Suriye who was who 0:04:52.641 --> 0:04:56.401 came third, Who's got an amazing story because but it 0:04:56.561 --> 0:04:58.721 was just the grace and the athleticism on the bars. 0:04:58.721 --> 0:05:00.721 It just sort of just sort of blows me away. 0:05:00.721 --> 0:05:03.161 Have you been watching much in the way of the Olympics, 0:05:03.201 --> 0:05:05.681 Irene or I haven't. 0:05:05.481 --> 0:05:05.881 Watched a lot. 0:05:05.921 --> 0:05:07.721 I'm not a huge sport person, but you know, I 0:05:07.761 --> 0:05:10.121 get sort of caught up in the stories and things. 0:05:10.161 --> 0:05:13.561 And yes, Simon's coming back so strong. After you know, 0:05:13.681 --> 0:05:17.081 last time. And I also watched the gymnastics and I 0:05:17.161 --> 0:05:19.801 just I just kid myself. I just watched them, going, yeah, 0:05:20.001 --> 0:05:20.241 do that. 0:05:20.841 --> 0:05:24.681 Actually, I think we all have that moment of which 0:05:24.761 --> 0:05:27.681 do we imagine what event you would actually do if 0:05:27.721 --> 0:05:28.481 you could be an. 0:05:28.441 --> 0:05:31.481 Olympic trible round off break backs? 0:05:31.841 --> 0:05:32.041 Does it? 0:05:32.081 --> 0:05:34.561 Trible round off backhands? Bring no sweat? 0:05:35.161 --> 0:05:35.241 No? 0:05:35.801 --> 0:05:36.841 I did really like. 0:05:37.041 --> 0:05:38.921 You know, I like all little human interesting things. And 0:05:39.001 --> 0:05:40.921 I did kind of like the bit where you know, 0:05:40.961 --> 0:05:43.881 when Hayden Wild didn't win the trifling but his friend 0:05:43.961 --> 0:05:47.161 and training partner, yeah, and it was just all sort 0:05:47.201 --> 0:05:49.401 of lovely, and you know, I like that kind. 0:05:49.201 --> 0:05:52.481 Of I actually thought that was one of the most 0:05:52.521 --> 0:05:54.961 inspiring moments of the Games because I'm not hung up 0:05:55.001 --> 0:05:58.401 on our personal on our country medal tally. I'm curious 0:05:58.441 --> 0:06:00.401 about it, but I'm not hung on up on it 0:06:00.441 --> 0:06:04.361 because for me, the Olympics about those transcendent moments, which 0:06:04.401 --> 0:06:06.801 sometimes the tree and send it moment is an amazing 0:06:06.841 --> 0:06:10.721 performance that leads to gold. But for for Hayden Whild 0:06:10.761 --> 0:06:13.921 to have embraced his friend who he thought, you know, 0:06:14.001 --> 0:06:16.241 you won that, well, great race, well we both did 0:06:16.281 --> 0:06:19.441 it sort of thing, and then later on to pay 0:06:19.441 --> 0:06:22.081 homage to his teammate who, through the bike ride had 0:06:22.161 --> 0:06:24.801 dropped back so he could draft. I think that's the 0:06:24.841 --> 0:06:27.361 expression Hayden. So he got in a position where he 0:06:27.361 --> 0:06:30.761 could have won gold. I just thought, what an absolute legend, 0:06:30.841 --> 0:06:34.681 Hal Hayden wild is. What are the sportsmanship? And those 0:06:34.681 --> 0:06:37.201 are the moments that to me get me a bit misty. 0:06:37.041 --> 0:06:39.881 One hundred percent forever, It'll be imprinted in my mind, 0:06:39.921 --> 0:06:42.521 that beautiful still shot, even the video of him putting 0:06:42.561 --> 0:06:44.761 his hand around alex Ee after the n because so 0:06:44.801 --> 0:06:46.841 many athletes would actually be a bit salty right like 0:06:46.881 --> 0:06:49.881 he was. He was leading that last leg of the 0:06:49.961 --> 0:06:53.721 running race by fifteen seconds. We kind of. 0:06:53.601 --> 0:06:56.561 Thought, well, I was nervous when the commentator said, I 0:06:56.641 --> 0:06:58.561 he's got gold in the bag. Basically, I was like, 0:06:58.641 --> 0:07:01.321 I know, those two guys are running quite quick, and. 0:07:01.281 --> 0:07:03.041 Look, I kind of had a vibe that Alexey was 0:07:03.041 --> 0:07:04.961 just gonna hoon on past it. I just kind of 0:07:05.081 --> 0:07:07.161 you it might happen, but so many, so many athletics 0:07:07.161 --> 0:07:09.201 would be pretty salty, or they just run away and 0:07:09.281 --> 0:07:11.481 kind of get a bit, you know, dark and store 0:07:11.561 --> 0:07:13.761 me off cameras. But it was just great sitting down 0:07:13.761 --> 0:07:15.241 next to him going, look mate, you did a really 0:07:15.241 --> 0:07:18.241 great job and he's still won silver. He's still he's 0:07:18.241 --> 0:07:21.001 still won, he's still placed. It was It was epic. 0:07:21.081 --> 0:07:27.161 And the other story the the our gold medal double 0:07:27.161 --> 0:07:32.361 skulls women. Yeah, absolutely, and who only eighteen months ago 0:07:34.041 --> 0:07:38.281 became mums and eighteen months later to compete in an 0:07:38.281 --> 0:07:42.521 Olympic Games and win gold. Ah wow, what a what 0:07:42.561 --> 0:07:44.361 a hell of a story you followed that. 0:07:44.321 --> 0:07:48.281 One, guys, they were amazing and actually and the women's 0:07:48.361 --> 0:07:51.601 rugby obviously, Oh yeah, yeah, they will get excited about 0:07:51.601 --> 0:07:52.321 the women's rugby. 0:07:52.681 --> 0:07:55.081 It was so great. No, the mother's as well, and 0:07:55.121 --> 0:07:56.561 initially and it wasn't until I came in and had 0:07:56.561 --> 0:07:57.961 to chat to you before the show, Tam, and I 0:07:58.001 --> 0:07:59.401 was like, oh, you know, I always hate it when 0:07:59.441 --> 0:08:03.281 people kind of put labels on particular you know, business 0:08:03.281 --> 0:08:06.121 woman whatever, sports people whatever, calling the mothers, because I 0:08:06.201 --> 0:08:08.721 kind of feel like that shouldn't define them. But that's 0:08:08.761 --> 0:08:10.521 actually a narrative that they come up with on their own, 0:08:10.521 --> 0:08:12.401 and that was something that they wanted to trumpet, which 0:08:12.401 --> 0:08:14.441 I think is incredible that it's come from them. 0:08:14.561 --> 0:08:17.001 And I think also you could tell through the way 0:08:17.001 --> 0:08:20.441 that they spoke about the challenges that they'd had, you know, 0:08:20.481 --> 0:08:22.481 becoming new mums and then training and the support they 0:08:22.521 --> 0:08:25.721 had from their families. By the way, I didn't name them 0:08:25.801 --> 0:08:29.521 Lucy Spores and Brook Francis. It is it is quite 0:08:29.801 --> 0:08:32.401 an incredible story to have managed to achieve that. So, 0:08:33.041 --> 0:08:37.561 you know, so shortly after I guess, you know, I'm 0:08:37.561 --> 0:08:39.641 a guy. I haven't given birth, so I can't really 0:08:39.681 --> 0:08:40.601 comment on these things. 0:08:40.601 --> 0:08:42.761 But I haven't had kids either, but I've got friends 0:08:42.761 --> 0:08:44.841 to say it's it's a lot. 0:08:44.761 --> 0:08:51.041 It's a lot on the cards. Thank you to bringing 0:08:51.081 --> 0:08:54.201 it up the other actually, but actually I yeah, I 0:08:54.201 --> 0:08:59.721 think we've got Emma Twig and Tom McIntosh tonight maybe. 0:08:59.721 --> 0:09:03.521 But the other story is in the Olympics is while 0:09:03.561 --> 0:09:06.121 it's it's going to be a reach Foroe Hobbs to 0:09:06.321 --> 0:09:08.641 make the final, sorry not make the final, but to 0:09:08.721 --> 0:09:11.201 get a medal, the fact that we've got a New 0:09:11.281 --> 0:09:14.721 Zealand woman as a sprinter in the one hundred meters again, 0:09:15.641 --> 0:09:18.281 what an amazing achievement for a New Zealand athlete. So 0:09:18.401 --> 0:09:20.521 there's just so many Are you going to be peeled? 0:09:20.641 --> 0:09:21.561 Do you get up in the middle of the not 0:09:21.801 --> 0:09:22.481 you also to watch the. 0:09:22.881 --> 0:09:24.161 I'm a bit of a night I'm a bit of 0:09:24.201 --> 0:09:26.081 a night owl, so I'll stay up as late as possible, 0:09:26.201 --> 0:09:28.521 kind of in midnight one o'clock, kind of get in 0:09:28.561 --> 0:09:29.801 as much as they can, and then I'll wake with 0:09:29.841 --> 0:09:31.721 the morning and check my phone and watch the high lights. 0:09:31.761 --> 0:09:35.041 And I can't push myself past probably one as much 0:09:35.041 --> 0:09:37.881 as I'd like to. But yeah, so great. I love 0:09:37.881 --> 0:09:40.761 watching the athletics too. The decathlon I think was on 0:09:40.881 --> 0:09:43.601 last night. That was great, greatest line events. 0:09:43.721 --> 0:09:45.681 I just love the fact that the track is purple 0:09:45.721 --> 0:09:49.641 as well. I like, you know how French we're going 0:09:49.641 --> 0:09:51.041 to change the color. We're going to go with a 0:09:51.081 --> 0:09:55.521 sort of violet purple. Actually, they love the track and field. 0:09:55.521 --> 0:09:58.881 Oh by the way, Tom Walsh, both our shot putters 0:09:59.241 --> 0:10:02.441 have got into the into the final, Tom Walsh and god, 0:10:02.481 --> 0:10:04.961 my brain's gone jacko Gil. 0:10:05.081 --> 0:10:06.881 And did you see the shot of the javelin going 0:10:06.961 --> 0:10:08.241 right towards the TV camera? 0:10:08.841 --> 0:10:12.841 Oh? I miss that one dramatic effect. Fantastic shot. 0:10:12.921 --> 0:10:15.401 Well, the other thing is the technology we've got with 0:10:15.441 --> 0:10:19.041 the high definition cameras and everything, and I think that's 0:10:19.081 --> 0:10:22.721 actually why we feel we can become experts because the. 0:10:24.801 --> 0:10:25.601 Different angles. 0:10:25.761 --> 0:10:28.161 Yeah, and there was a moment where Simon Simone biles 0:10:28.361 --> 0:10:31.521 on Simone, I never know. She bent her knees when 0:10:31.521 --> 0:10:33.721 she went under the low horizontal bar, which I didn't 0:10:33.761 --> 0:10:35.641 initially notice. And I looked and I went, oh, that's right. 0:10:35.681 --> 0:10:36.961 She shouldn't have done that. Nice thing. 0:10:38.241 --> 0:10:40.161 Come it in potato chip. Does please tell me you 0:10:40.241 --> 0:10:45.881 recovered in potato chip? Does please don't leave me hanging here? 0:10:46.561 --> 0:10:47.601 I can't be the only one. 0:10:47.841 --> 0:10:49.681 And actually, you know what, people, if you are listening 0:10:49.721 --> 0:10:51.081 and you want to catch up with the action our 0:10:51.121 --> 0:10:54.201 commentary team and our team of journalists from Newstalks, he'd 0:10:54.241 --> 0:10:57.401 be doing an absolutely magnificent job on the commentary. So 0:10:57.521 --> 0:10:59.201 just a little bit of a tip of a captain 0:10:59.201 --> 0:11:02.321 of colleagues that that are doing that job right through 0:11:02.321 --> 0:11:06.241 the wee small hours. Right anyway, let's move away from Paris. 0:11:06.521 --> 0:11:07.841 That sounds like a bit of a downer. Doesn't that 0:11:07.881 --> 0:11:10.321 move you away from Paris as well? By just a 0:11:10.401 --> 0:11:12.361 quick note, I was really pleased they finally managed to 0:11:12.361 --> 0:11:15.161 swim in the seane. I mean, who knows whether Hayden 0:11:15.201 --> 0:11:16.801 had to spend the next day on the toilet or not, 0:11:16.841 --> 0:11:17.401 but you know. 0:11:17.761 --> 0:11:19.801 They might sprout a new limb or something as a 0:11:19.841 --> 0:11:23.121 result of it, but you know, yeah, I mean great, 0:11:23.281 --> 0:11:25.761 But the fact that I remember watching a report it 0:11:25.801 --> 0:11:27.361 was something about how they had to take tablets to 0:11:27.361 --> 0:11:29.001 stop them from getting sick, and then they've got eye 0:11:29.081 --> 0:11:31.841 drops so their eyes don't get infected, and I don't know, yeah, 0:11:32.001 --> 0:11:33.401 I don't think you'd want to put your head under 0:11:33.481 --> 0:11:34.241 Absolutely not. 0:11:34.401 --> 0:11:37.881 Right, let's move on to let's move on to politics now. 0:11:37.921 --> 0:11:43.121 The government announces news legislation allowing roadside drug testing. Actually 0:11:43.161 --> 0:11:45.281 I'm not sure if this is particularly contentious, but I 0:11:45.281 --> 0:11:46.681 don't think it's the sort of thing where you just 0:11:46.721 --> 0:11:49.481 breathe into the chube for ten seconds, so they're not 0:11:49.481 --> 0:11:51.321 going to be exactly pulling over everyone and doing it. 0:11:51.321 --> 0:11:53.201 But what do you think of the whole roadside drug 0:11:53.241 --> 0:11:54.281 testing thing? Will Aman it? 0:11:54.441 --> 0:11:58.481 Yeah, Look, I think it's a sensible initiative. I think 0:11:58.561 --> 0:12:01.361 that there there's obviously, you know, drink driving problems with 0:12:01.361 --> 0:12:03.401 there's drug driving problems too, And I think that there's 0:12:03.441 --> 0:12:06.761 definitely a movement in a younger generation away from using 0:12:06.801 --> 0:12:10.521 alcohol and instead it's kind of a sober curious movement 0:12:11.361 --> 0:12:15.121 in terms of alcohol. But people are dabbling more in 0:12:15.521 --> 0:12:18.801 party drugs and thinking that it's okay because they haven't 0:12:18.841 --> 0:12:20.921 had five or six wines that they can actually you know, 0:12:21.081 --> 0:12:24.361 jump behind the wheel when they can't. I'd raise questions 0:12:24.401 --> 0:12:27.041 about the accuracy of it all, like how it's all 0:12:27.041 --> 0:12:29.321 going to work, what kind of you know, resource of 0:12:29.361 --> 0:12:31.401 technology're going to use. I think it's a saliva test, 0:12:31.481 --> 0:12:33.481 so you want to make sure that it's completely accurate. 0:12:33.801 --> 0:12:36.521 I also found it really interesting the penalties for it. 0:12:36.561 --> 0:12:38.241 I think I was reading the article. It was just 0:12:38.281 --> 0:12:41.601 saying an infringement notice and demerit points, which to me 0:12:41.761 --> 0:12:47.121 seems like it's not a very penalty. No, not at all, 0:12:48.001 --> 0:12:50.641 whereas with alcohol, right you can you get arrested, or 0:12:50.721 --> 0:12:52.961 you get your license taken off you, you can appear 0:12:53.041 --> 0:12:57.481 before the courts. Yeah, I'm concerned. It doesn't really seem like, yeah, 0:12:57.601 --> 0:12:59.841 much of it deterrent for something it would. 0:12:59.601 --> 0:13:03.401 Be big really same thoughts as well's. 0:13:03.281 --> 0:13:07.241 It's going to be a short par wouldn't be like 0:13:07.521 --> 0:13:09.521 do you think? I? 0:13:09.521 --> 0:13:12.841 I think? I think the reason it has taken so 0:13:13.001 --> 0:13:15.401 long is because it's very difficult to work out how 0:13:15.401 --> 0:13:18.521 to do it. Because of course, I mean, it's always 0:13:18.521 --> 0:13:21.121 been kind of weird that you know, obviously you're not 0:13:21.161 --> 0:13:23.441 supposed to drink and drive, but you know you could 0:13:23.481 --> 0:13:26.361 be completely trolley on drugs and you can go on 0:13:26.441 --> 0:13:28.921 drugs but mad. But I think it has been that 0:13:28.961 --> 0:13:31.001 it's been incredibly difficult to work out how to do it. 0:13:31.161 --> 0:13:34.081 So presumably they feel like they've got closer to working out. 0:13:34.481 --> 0:13:36.761 Well, science always gets us closer. That was a time 0:13:36.801 --> 0:13:39.801 probably with alcohol, where you had to get out and 0:13:40.401 --> 0:13:42.241 a straight line, in a straight line and sort of 0:13:42.281 --> 0:13:44.001 touch you. 0:13:43.361 --> 0:13:44.641 Recite the alphabet backwards. 0:13:44.641 --> 0:13:55.361 I did, why you I could probably do it gradual 0:13:55.521 --> 0:14:01.561 rest anyway. Yeah, So good luck to them on that 0:14:01.561 --> 0:14:04.361 one anyway. But you know what my thing is when 0:14:04.361 --> 0:14:06.401 it comes to Law and Homan in safety behind the wheel, 0:14:07.201 --> 0:14:08.681 I don't know why they don't make it a fifteen 0:14:08.761 --> 0:14:11.001 hundred dollars fine to use your bloody phone. There we 0:14:11.041 --> 0:14:15.401 go at the moment, isn't that something pathetic? And look 0:14:15.721 --> 0:14:17.961 that is a massive cause of well you can just 0:14:18.001 --> 0:14:20.481 tell at the traffic lights everybody, No, somebody doesn't pull 0:14:20.521 --> 0:14:21.921 away and you go too, and you can put you 0:14:21.921 --> 0:14:25.481 here on their phone and you look down. Somebody walks 0:14:25.521 --> 0:14:28.081 out in front of your box, it's a major cause 0:14:28.081 --> 0:14:29.001 of problems on the RWN. 0:14:29.081 --> 0:14:32.401 Texting one especially. I can understand that you could conceivably talk, 0:14:32.841 --> 0:14:36.601 but the texting like don't you have to look text? Yeah? 0:14:36.761 --> 0:14:37.521 Yeah yeah. 0:14:39.481 --> 0:14:42.801 Now there's another one, which is Look, I almost wonder 0:14:42.801 --> 0:14:45.041 if it depends on which side of the political divide 0:14:45.041 --> 0:14:48.121 you are so the youth offender. I'm not sure if 0:14:48.161 --> 0:14:51.121 the word boot camps is helpful because I think the 0:14:51.121 --> 0:14:53.241 game that gets played as people if you can brand 0:14:53.281 --> 0:14:55.961 something as boot camps because you've got the name boot camps, 0:14:56.001 --> 0:15:00.881 it can't work. But ten youth offenders began military style 0:15:01.161 --> 0:15:03.161 boot camp. If I can use that word on Monday, 0:15:03.601 --> 0:15:06.161 which officials are having to, will integrate them back into 0:15:06.161 --> 0:15:12.641 society successfully. Anyway, Look, I'm all for the for them 0:15:12.681 --> 0:15:15.121 giving it a go, and what do you think willhelmina? 0:15:15.681 --> 0:15:20.481 Look, I don't know. I think it's it's great that 0:15:20.641 --> 0:15:23.721 something is there's an attempt to do something to address 0:15:23.761 --> 0:15:25.841 the problem, but I just don't think internationally it's shown 0:15:25.881 --> 0:15:28.241 that it works. I think if you put them giving 0:15:28.281 --> 0:15:30.921 people or kids schedules is obviously great, but what happens 0:15:30.961 --> 0:15:32.721 after the fact, I feel like more iff it should 0:15:32.721 --> 0:15:36.041 actually be being put into preventing them from getting into 0:15:36.041 --> 0:15:38.081 crime in the first place, rather than putting them into 0:15:38.081 --> 0:15:39.801 a boot camp where they're going to come out the 0:15:39.801 --> 0:15:42.601 other side and be integrated back into the community and 0:15:42.641 --> 0:15:44.841 probably have not have the support systems that they actually 0:15:44.841 --> 0:15:46.881 need to stop them in the first place. I just 0:15:47.001 --> 0:15:48.641 I can't see it working. And I think Karen Shaw 0:15:48.761 --> 0:15:51.401 was saying, look that the way that we'll measure its 0:15:51.401 --> 0:15:55.401 success is harm reduction in the community. Well, what does 0:15:55.441 --> 0:15:58.641 that mean? Where are the metrics that actually represent what 0:15:58.841 --> 0:16:00.801 kind of impact that it's going to have? You know, 0:16:01.121 --> 0:16:03.121 I remember when I used to write scripts when I 0:16:03.161 --> 0:16:06.201 was a reporter back at news Hub. My producers used 0:16:06.241 --> 0:16:08.841 to say, never finish your script with the line only 0:16:08.921 --> 0:16:10.441 time will tell. Well, I kind of feel like the 0:16:10.441 --> 0:16:13.161 same thing applies here. Only time will tell. It's just 0:16:13.201 --> 0:16:15.481 so broad it can't be measured. I just think there 0:16:15.481 --> 0:16:16.601 are better ways to go about it. 0:16:16.681 --> 0:16:19.081 I think the only thing is I think that people 0:16:19.121 --> 0:16:21.641 say you find a version of the boot camps where 0:16:21.641 --> 0:16:24.601 it's just you shove them and you basically give them 0:16:24.601 --> 0:16:27.841 discipline and then throw them back into society. It's like saying, 0:16:27.921 --> 0:16:31.361 if you've only driven a larder, you shouldn't dam all 0:16:31.441 --> 0:16:34.561 cars for all time. And I think that the government 0:16:34.801 --> 0:16:37.041 it's not like we're throwing hundreds of kids into this. 0:16:37.441 --> 0:16:39.641 It's ten people who are going to get and I 0:16:39.681 --> 0:16:41.401 guess discipline. But there are a whole lot of wrap 0:16:41.441 --> 0:16:44.041 around services, and I hope that there is a way 0:16:44.081 --> 0:16:45.721 of doing this stuff where you can take them out 0:16:45.761 --> 0:16:49.521 of their environment and introduce them to discipline and a 0:16:49.521 --> 0:16:51.721 bit of routine and things like that, where the other 0:16:51.801 --> 0:16:54.721 services that go with it. I mean, I just think 0:16:54.761 --> 0:16:57.801 it's a bit crude for politicians to go, oh, it's 0:16:57.801 --> 0:17:00.481 a boot camp and it's out as opposed to well, 0:17:01.321 --> 0:17:04.921 surely there are different ways of Maybe that expression is 0:17:04.921 --> 0:17:06.601 not not even the right one to apply, if you 0:17:06.641 --> 0:17:07.881 know what I mean, what do you think I ring? 0:17:09.561 --> 0:17:14.121 Well, I mean historically the really pure military style ones, yes, 0:17:14.481 --> 0:17:17.121 haven't worked, and there is you know, there's strong evidence 0:17:17.121 --> 0:17:20.241 of that, both in New Zealand and globally. And of 0:17:20.241 --> 0:17:22.481 course you know this has to ended up timing with 0:17:22.561 --> 0:17:25.041 the release of their Abuse and Care report, which you know, 0:17:25.081 --> 0:17:28.161 which actually has highlighted some of the terrors of those things. 0:17:28.921 --> 0:17:33.081 I think because this has been so criticized, I think 0:17:33.161 --> 0:17:36.641 quite a lot of care is now going into how 0:17:36.721 --> 0:17:39.721 they actually do do this one with these ten people, 0:17:40.401 --> 0:17:42.481 and I think it is going to be broader and 0:17:42.521 --> 0:17:46.041 a bit more tailored to these particular young folk and 0:17:46.161 --> 0:17:49.041 you know, really trying to help them. And there certainly 0:17:49.041 --> 0:17:50.561 are things you could do where there's a bit of 0:17:51.001 --> 0:17:53.121 you know, I wouldn't say military component, but maybe like 0:17:53.201 --> 0:17:56.601 an exercise component, and there's a cultural and educational and 0:17:56.641 --> 0:17:58.281 you know, maybe there's even some art and music, and 0:17:58.401 --> 0:17:59.801 I mean there's differently things you could do that would 0:17:59.841 --> 0:18:03.281 be I think more helpful than a pure military style thing. 0:18:03.641 --> 0:18:06.041 And I think they are going to throw throw everything 0:18:06.241 --> 0:18:08.441 at this try and make it work. But that then 0:18:08.561 --> 0:18:11.561 begs the question of if they throw that much money 0:18:11.601 --> 0:18:14.881 at it, could you just actually have helped those ten 0:18:14.921 --> 0:18:18.081 people by spending money on getting them better lives, better housing, 0:18:18.161 --> 0:18:18.801 better whatever. 0:18:19.161 --> 0:18:21.681 Well, there are more than ten people and bookers. If 0:18:21.721 --> 0:18:23.881 you are trying to do that, that's a massive thing. 0:18:23.961 --> 0:18:27.041