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Speaker 3: Welcome afternoon to you, and welcome to the program, and

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Speaker 3: thank you for choosing us. I'm Andrew Dickens in for

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Speaker 3: Ryan Bridge, who's oft on a family thing for three days.

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Speaker 3: He'll be back on Monday. Coming up on the program Today,

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Speaker 3: the government comes up with five changes to help New

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Speaker 3: Zealand film and TV. But will they make any difference?

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Speaker 3: We'll have the minister in five minutes time. One oficer

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Speaker 3: says no to Mackers. The Deputy Mayor will tell us

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Speaker 3: why the good people have been denied what many consider

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Speaker 3: to be a basic service in modern cities. That's after

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Speaker 3: five Judith Collins warns the public service to respect taxpayers.

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Speaker 3: So what does the Public Service Association think of that?

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Speaker 3: And the asb's profit lifts from last year. So is

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Speaker 3: this finally some concrete proof of some green shoots the

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Speaker 3: ASB CEO. Just after six. You can text during the program.

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Speaker 3: on Dickens at News talks airb dot Co dot NZ.

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Speaker 3: It's eight after four Andrew Dicks So the naming sponsor

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Speaker 3: of the Allbacks. Ineos once out claiming times are tight.

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Speaker 3: The deal in New Zealand is worth eight million dollars

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Speaker 3: a year still has three years to run. New Zealand

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Speaker 3: Rugby is having to sue them to get the money

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Speaker 3: year were unilaterally withheld and from my opinion, that's not on.

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Speaker 3: A deal is a deal, A contract is a contract.

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Speaker 3: A judge will decide. Now, let's remember who Ineos are.

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Speaker 3: They're a petrochemical company and over the last few years

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Speaker 3: they have sunk five billion dollars into a swathe of sports,

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Speaker 3: including the Allbacks and your revenue for Ineos fifty five

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Speaker 3: one point four billion euros. Eight million dollars is chump

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Speaker 3: change for Ineos, so is twenty four million dollars if

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Speaker 3: So the Ministry of Culture Inheritage has proposed a major

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Speaker 3: discussion document the Ministry has released talks about merging New

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Speaker 3: Now how it, Paul, So why merge the Film Commission

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Speaker 4: Well, look at the proposal that would put it me out.

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Speaker 4: I mean, ultimately they grew out of you know, the

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Speaker 4: And as all your listeners will understand, those two distinct

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Speaker 4: There will challenges about how you do that, but So

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Speaker 3: For Well, would it mean less money available for content

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Speaker 4: Well no, Well, hopefully it'll be more because there'd be

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Speaker 4: developing some stuff in New Zealand, but also putting New

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Speaker 3: A wide variety. Can you actually force streaming services to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there are various ways of doing it. You could

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Speaker 3: The fair News Bargaining Bill is on hold. Why is that?

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Speaker 3: We were you bullied by Google?

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Speaker 4: Is just simply that the Australians, who you know, I

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Speaker 4: And I think that's a better way of doing it

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Speaker 3: I thank you. Paul Goldsmith, the Media and Communications Minister

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Speaker 3: I want your chair.

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Speaker 7: I'm sorry you cannot have it. I know what you mean,

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Speaker 7: because that's Matt Heath's chair and it alwayst sits extraordinarily

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Speaker 3: He's like, it's like being a low ride a bike.

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Speaker 3: You're quite right, like being on one of those bikes

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Speaker 3: that the kids ride, you know, But your yours is

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Speaker 3: good all and high enough. Yes, yes, thank you, Tyler. Finally,

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Speaker 3: Warren Gatland got marched.

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Speaker 7: Well, he marched and got marched. It's always the same line,

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Speaker 7: isn't it. By mutual agreement. You can read into that

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Speaker 7: It's understandable. I ain for theory around this is that

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Speaker 7: I want to say, that's astonishing, that's fantastic. Don't go

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Speaker 3: Look respect one great greatly and his and his kid

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Speaker 8: Oh the clown knows that.

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Speaker 7: So that was a huge for all, isn't that? I

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Speaker 3: It's a confidence game and maybe maybe one got kicked

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Speaker 3: Is the new guy any good one of his insistence?

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Speaker 8: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: We'll find out. But he's got nothing to lose, has it?

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Speaker 3: So I just got stuck into Jim Ratcliffe care mate.

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Speaker 7: He's rich.

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Speaker 3: I it a call, no, but he's spent five billion

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Speaker 8: They'd be.

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Speaker 3: Welcome on in on your Wednesday afternoon. I'm Andrew Dickinson

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Speaker 3: for Ryan Bridge, Who'll be back on Monday. We're talking

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Speaker 8: It'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: To the Middle East and Israeli Prime Minister Natanyahu says

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with ins and Eye Insurance Peace of mind

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Speaker 8: Well they do.

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Speaker 11: dollars to take their family for just two days right there.

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Speaker 11: And you get to the park and you're walking around

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Speaker 11: and you're thinking, what could I have done with that

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Speaker 11: four thousand dollars? I mean, I grant you, I love Disneyland.

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Speaker 11: It is a magical place, but it has become so expensive,

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Speaker 11: so crowded, and I hate to stay so commercialized because

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Speaker 11: it always sort of has been, but even more so

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Speaker 11: right now that it's kind of taken a little bit

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Speaker 11: of a magic out of the Magic Kingdom.

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Speaker 3: And finally den Mak wants to a next California.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, this is my favorite story today. That came because,

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Speaker 11: of course, President Trump continues about the US acquiring Greenland

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Speaker 11: from Denmark, so Danish citizens have launched their own effort

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Speaker 11: to purchase our state.

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Speaker 6: Here.

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Speaker 11: They've got an online petition calling for the Denmarkification of California.

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Speaker 11: They've got two hundred thousand signatures so far. They're pitching

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Speaker 11: the Danish citizens by buying California would give a more

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Speaker 11: sunshine dominance in the tech industry, limitless avocado toast, and

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Speaker 11: easy access to Disneyland, which we circle back to right now.

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Speaker 11: Of course, this is all tongue in cheek. Right now,

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Speaker 11: it's not going to happen where the world's fifth largest economy.

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Speaker 11: But I guess if you're if I guess for those

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Speaker 11: in favor of this being the new Denmark, you're going

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Speaker 11: to have to settle for a day trip maybe the

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Speaker 11: Santa Barbara County.

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Speaker 3: Well maybe it's got just as much chance of happening

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Speaker 3: as many other proposals that have come from the Trump administration.

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Speaker 3: You have to say, would it mean that everyone in

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Speaker 3: California would have to have a Nokia phone?

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Speaker 11: I probably that, and we'd have to learn a new language.

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Speaker 11: And I mean, we do have the Danish capital of

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Speaker 11: the US just down the road in Solvan, which is

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Speaker 11: near Santa Barbara, So I mean, you know, I mean

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Speaker 11: it's a start.

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Speaker 12: We've got a foot in the door.

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Speaker 3: Californians love Danish.

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Speaker 10: You know that we do.

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Speaker 6: We do.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thank you so much. Dan Machison from the United

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Speaker 3: States of America. In New Zealand, we're worrying about a McDonald's,

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Speaker 3: a fantastic decision about mcdee's, writes a text. If the

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Speaker 3: majority of the community aren't keen, well good on them.

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Speaker 3: I can tell you. It's two hundred and sixty six submissions,

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Speaker 3: only twenty one in favor of the McDonald's. Another Texas says, wow,

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Speaker 3: you were very judgmental. Andrew McDonald's would have got through

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Speaker 3: on another site. In one it was never going to

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Speaker 3: fly where they wanted it. I'm not sure about that. Then,

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Speaker 3: right near the Three Parks Industrial Estate, there are only

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Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty meters away from a mighty teen

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Speaker 3: mega a warehouse, a huge New World and a mountain warehouse.

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Speaker 3: I didn't see how the McDonald's in its position was

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Speaker 3: any worse than any of those players, but they got permission.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about this at five point fifteen, but next

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Speaker 3: it's Barry Soper and Studio to talk about politics. Here

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Speaker 3: are news talks. Heb sixteen to five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centrics credit check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 3: Certady Barry Soper, Hello, you got to turn your microphone on?

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Speaker 3: Oh hold on, there we go and had to turn

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Speaker 3: the microphone.

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Speaker 10: Oh and s being naughty boy again?

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Speaker 3: Can I, before we move on, just admit that Nokia

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Speaker 3: is in fact finished, not Danish. But never mind. I

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Speaker 3: just had to do that now. I also just said

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Speaker 3: about David Seymour riding the land rover up the steps,

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Speaker 3: and I said, look, he's not a stupid man. It

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Speaker 3: was a stunt, you know. He he wanted to get

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Speaker 3: some headlines. He wanted to be a little bit of

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Speaker 3: a renegade. Why are we wasting so much oxygen?

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Speaker 10: They are wasting a lot of oxygen in the debating

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Speaker 10: chamber about it. They were again today telling the Prime

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Speaker 10: Minister that he should be dismissed as a minister. It's

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Speaker 10: unbecoming behavior of a minister in his cabinet. They want

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Speaker 10: him sacked. They have questioned Luxon's ability to discipline his

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Speaker 10: minister as well. You imagine if he disciplined David Seymour,

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Speaker 10: an Act coalition partner, you might see the coalition sort

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Speaker 10: of falling apart, but nevertheless so the issue from labor today. Though,

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Speaker 10: The real issue they concentrated on was the so called

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Speaker 10: racial statements being made by Luckson's ministers, outlined by Leader

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Speaker 10: Chris Hopkins.

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Speaker 13: Have a listen to Todd mcclay's statement to another MP,

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Speaker 13: you're not in Mexico now, Shane Jones's statement send the

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Speaker 13: Mexicans home, and Winster's Peter's statement immigrants should quote show

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Speaker 13: some gratitude, meet his expectations of ministerial conduct.

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Speaker 14: If so, why well, in answer to the last part

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Speaker 14: of that question, I have huge confidence in the Deputy

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Speaker 14: Prime Minister who really believes in the Mexico New Zealand

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Speaker 14: relationship and visiting the country and cares deeply about those relationships.

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Speaker 15: So the Prime Minister, does this government have any plans

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Speaker 15: to go through the telephone book and find home buyers

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Speaker 15: with Chinese sounding names.

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Speaker 16: No, the real issue here is no one can surely

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Speaker 16: be condemned for expecting immigrants to come to this country

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Speaker 16: to be grateful for the country they've come to.

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Speaker 10: So there you go. Winston had the final say. But

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Speaker 10: you remember it was Andrew Little who was accused of

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Speaker 10: looking for Chinese names to prove that they were buying

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Speaker 10: up all the houses here. So look it goes on

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Speaker 10: and on and on.

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Speaker 3: See if a man had that good a question, David Seymour,

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Speaker 3: do you really think he's that stupid that he didn't

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Speaker 3: know the rules?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Can I just also say that security guard that stopped him,

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Speaker 3: great job. Man deserves a I know the guy.

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Speaker 10: He's been there a long time and he's a really

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Speaker 10: good man.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't intimidated straight out? No, No, great policing. Shane Jones

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Speaker 3: has been talking about mining gold in them.

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Speaker 10: The hills, is Shane. What I like about Shane Jones

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Speaker 10: is that he likes preaching in parliament rather than simply

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Speaker 10: asking or answering patsy questions. Of course, gold is a

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Speaker 10: big deal in New Zealand at the moment, when you

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Speaker 10: consider that in twenty twenty one, New Zealand produced four

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Speaker 10: hundred and seventy two million dollars worth of gold. In

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Speaker 10: twenty twenty two that was up to six hundred and

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Speaker 10: ten million. Now apparently there are billions of dollars under

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Speaker 10: the ground here in New Zealand. The mining cheerleader, as

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Speaker 10: I said, Shane Jones, he was on his feet in

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Speaker 10: Parliament today preaching the value of coal and of gold

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Speaker 10: mining in this country.

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Speaker 17: I have been to a gold mine located at why

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Speaker 17: He to launch New Zealand's and Lord Greal mineral strategy,

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Speaker 17: and whilst I was there, it was evident that economics,

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Speaker 17: seeds are germinating, buds are developing. No longer will the

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Speaker 17: sector be shackled in green tapes. No longer will people

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Speaker 17: be able to carry on talking on smartphones dependent on minerals,

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Speaker 17: minerals imported into the country when we have them in

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Speaker 17: our own country. And also it's my pleasure, sir to

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Speaker 17: tell the House that most of the people there reminded.

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Speaker 8: Me they never left the Labor Party.

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Speaker 12: The Labor Party left them.

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Speaker 10: I always like the upput infliction is that he speaks

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Speaker 10: and it's preaching and I always enjoy shown Joan style.

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Speaker 3: Very good stuff. And the Malory Party MP found guilty

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Speaker 3: of misleading parliament.

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Speaker 10: Taker to Paris. Yes, he deliberately, according to the Privileges Committee,

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Speaker 10: misled the House. They recommend that he be forced to

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Speaker 10: apologize to the House because he had denied that he

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Speaker 10: had called as fellow MPs liars. But I've got to

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Speaker 10: say today an apology wasn't forthcoming. It would usually be

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Speaker 10: the case as soon as possible after a privileges committee finding.

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Speaker 10: The irony in this case is that Perris was what

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Speaker 10: the one apparently telling lies about those who accused of

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Speaker 10: being liars. I haven't listened to the exchange which got

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Speaker 10: him into trouble last September.

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Speaker 8: Lies.

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Speaker 15: In other words, many in this house are masters of it,

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Speaker 15: and it is a disservice to those who voted you

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Speaker 15: into your positions.

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Speaker 8: Well, unless, of course, it.

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Speaker 16: Is certainly not acceptable for someone that experienced as he

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Speaker 16: is to Nevertheless, I accuse the other MPs keep quite

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Speaker 16: when I'm making a point of all. All right, he

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Speaker 16: made the allegation that members of his parliament of liars

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Speaker 16: there should have been stopping the tracks right then.

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Speaker 14: But if he has made that statement, then he should

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Speaker 14: withdraw and apologize as quickly as possible.

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Speaker 18: I haven't made that statement.

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Speaker 10: It just finished making the statement and said this man.

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Speaker 10: He was there, and normally you're expected in a Wednesday debate,

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Speaker 10: which was what this was, not to speak from notes.

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Speaker 10: He was speaking from a computer. You meant to be

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Speaker 10: able to regale stuff without using notes in the debating

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Speaker 10: chamber but that seems to have changed.

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Speaker 3: Which means he had intention to use the word liar

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Speaker 3: to It didn't just pop into his head. He wrote

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Speaker 3: it down on a computer. He said it. He's thought

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Speaker 3: about the whole thing. And when I find amazing about

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Speaker 3: that word liar, too many people in this world these

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Speaker 3: days flee it around and it's one of the worst

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Speaker 3: insults you can do. If you're pulling out the liar,

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Speaker 3: you were going nuclear.

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Speaker 10: And he didn't have the good grace Andrew surely he

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Speaker 10: must have known he accused him of being liars, didn't

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Speaker 10: have the good grace to immediately stand as most MP's

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Speaker 10: would do and say, look, I apologize, you know, because

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Speaker 10: he obviously must have realized that he was in the wrong.

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Speaker 10: So now we await his apology, and I thank you

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Speaker 10: very much.

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Speaker 3: It is now seven minutes to five. This is News Talks.

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Speaker 8: It'd be digging into the issues that affect you.

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Speaker 19: The mic hosting break, Anthony Alberanizi had been on the

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Speaker 19: phone to Donald Trump over tariffs. He was happy to

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Speaker 19: report that Donald had said they could work on an

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Speaker 19: exemption read the steel and the aluminium. This was presented

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Speaker 19: by Elbow as good news, not long after that, I

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Speaker 19: watched Donald signing some more executive orders. It then got

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Speaker 19: to the steel and aluminium he signed at twenty five

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Speaker 19: percent on everything not made in America, no exceptions, no exemptions.

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Speaker 19: Donald could not have been clearer on steel and aluminium.

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Speaker 19: America didn't need anyone. They would be making their own.

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Speaker 19: We sell apples and wine and burger patties basically, so

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Speaker 19: we might get lucky out of this. But poor old

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Speaker 19: Elbow will eventually have to explain what he might have

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Speaker 19: thought happened didn't Back tomorrow at six am the mic

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Speaker 19: Hosking Breakfast with the Rain.

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Speaker 3: Drove of the Lahn News Talk z B Jack writes,

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Speaker 3: common sense would tell you a vehicle cannot be driven

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Speaker 3: up the steps of Parliament, and yet so many people

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Speaker 3: have done it. There's been a land rover before, there's

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Speaker 3: been attractive before. People have done it normally as a

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Speaker 3: stunt jack. Are you accusing David Seymour of not having

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Speaker 3: common sense? Of course he knows you shouldn't drive up

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Speaker 3: the steps of Parliament, but he had a little bit

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Speaker 3: of a crack at it. And when Sam the security

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Speaker 3: guard came in and went no, and he stopped and

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Speaker 3: he's ended out with a whole lot of press and

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Speaker 3: who are we talking about David Seymour And of course

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Speaker 3: why are Labor getting stuck into him? Because they want

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Speaker 3: to get stuck into anything with the Coalition just to

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Speaker 3: make any crack, any fisher, pull it apart any way

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Speaker 3: they can. Another text says the security guard who stops

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Speaker 3: Seymour is my cousin Sam. Yes, amazing guy. Barry Soper

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Speaker 3: informsly that Sam is a gentle giant, a lovely fellow

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Speaker 3: until you start trying to drive a land rover up

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Speaker 3: the steps and then he'll go no stop. Speaker says

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Speaker 3: no anyway. On the way a shocking story out of

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Speaker 3: New South Wales about nurses and Israeli's details to come.

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Speaker 3: Also on the way, the Central Lake's Deputy mayor on

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Speaker 3: why Wannica cannot have a mcdea's sot to come. I'm

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Speaker 3: Andrew Dickens. This is news talks hereb.

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Speaker 1: Hellus, questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you trust

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Speaker 8: News talks that'd.

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Speaker 3: Be welcome in seven out to five did Australian nurses

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Speaker 3: kill Israeli patients. We're going to go to New South

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Speaker 3: Wales on what sounds like a very shocking story. What

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Speaker 3: is the truth? We'll try to find out. But first

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Speaker 3: of our fishing industry is in for a shakeup, with

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Speaker 3: Fisheries Minister Shane Jones proposing a reform of the Fisheries

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Speaker 3: Act now. The changes would see a loosening of catch

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Speaker 3: regulations and more frequent updates to catch limits. It would

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Speaker 3: also restrict people who can access the camera footage from

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Speaker 3: the fishing vessels, confining the surveillance to MPI in the courts.

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Speaker 3: Seafood New Zealand says the reform is a win and

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Speaker 3: CEO Lisa Footcheck is joining me now.

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Speaker 20: Hello Lisa Cuider Andrew and thank you so much for

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Speaker 20: inviting me on.

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Speaker 3: It's a pleasure. Why is this a win?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 21: Look, this is a when largely for sustainability in the

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Speaker 21: broadest sense of the word, so sustainability for our oceans

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Speaker 21: that is woven throughout this consultation document, but also importantly

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Speaker 21: sustainability for our fishing businesses. How well, if you look

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Speaker 21: at the way that it's been framed up at the outset.

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Speaker 21: The MPI talks about focus on responsiveness, on certainty, and

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Speaker 21: on efficiency, and all of those things are really really

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Speaker 21: critical when you consider just how complicated the legislative and

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Speaker 21: regulatory environment is for our fishing industry.

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Speaker 3: Some critics would say they'd see the words loosening of

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Speaker 3: catch regulations and go, can we actually afford that for

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Speaker 3: our fish stocks?

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Speaker 21: Look, the focus on sustainability, nothing about that, it's going

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Speaker 21: to change. So our Fishing Act it provides for utilization

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Speaker 21: of the resource, but ensuring sustainability, and that doesn't change.

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Speaker 21: As I say, so no one has to be concerned

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Speaker 21: about that. And reading through that document you'll see just

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Speaker 21: how big the focus is on sustainability. But what I

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Speaker 21: would say is that the changes in the setting of

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Speaker 21: PACs are totally allowable. Catches is keeping pace with the technology,

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Speaker 21: so we have more information that we can input into

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Speaker 21: those decisions, and therefore we can make them more quickly

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Speaker 21: and in a more agile way.

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Speaker 3: The proposals also say that boats can release unwanted fish

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Speaker 3: back into the sea rather than bring it to shore,

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Speaker 3: but only if they've got a camera on board or

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Speaker 3: an observer. Is this better because it doesn't it sounds counterintuitive.

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Speaker 21: No, no, that is definitely better better for us, better

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Speaker 21: for the fish, and better for the environment. So the

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Speaker 21: situation there, of course, is that at the moment, if

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Speaker 21: unwanted fish and there's only a small amount there, but

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Speaker 21: if there's unwanted fish that come on board at the moment,

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Speaker 21: the situation is that has to be taken back to

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Speaker 21: land where it is disposed of in the landfill. But

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Speaker 21: as you say, for those where where there's cameras on

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Speaker 21: board or there are observers, it's going to be possible

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Speaker 21: as the result of being able to verify that those

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Speaker 21: fish can be put back into the fee so that

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Speaker 21: they can be part of the ocean food web.

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Speaker 18: But I have to.

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Speaker 21: Emphasize that they're not being dumped. These fish are counting

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Speaker 21: against the annual catch entitlement of the fishes, so they

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Speaker 21: have to pay for them. Of course, there's no incentive

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Speaker 21: to do anything other than minimize anything other than target catch, and.

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Speaker 3: That's why you have to have a camera on board

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Speaker 3: or an observer, so we can actually count the unwanted

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Speaker 3: catch and make it count towards the fish's annual canter entitlement.

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Speaker 3: The whole camera thing that's right, the whole thing, camera thing.

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Speaker 3: At the moment, anyone can access camera footage from fishing

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Speaker 3: boats via the OIA Official Information Act. That's stopped. Why

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Speaker 3: was that a problem?

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Speaker 21: This is a really really big problem for privacy. So

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Speaker 21: just bear in mind that the boats are the workplace

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Speaker 21: of our fishes and our industry, but in many cases

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Speaker 21: they're also home for extended periods of time. So there's

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Speaker 21: a privacy issue here. But not only that, Unfortunately we

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Speaker 21: see some pretty bad behavior and attitudes towards our fishes

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Speaker 21: who are bullied and verbally and sometimes physically abuse. Now

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Speaker 21: we don't see that there is any need for camera

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Speaker 21: footage to be available to public because our regulator is

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Speaker 21: the one that will check the camera footage and if

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Speaker 21: there has been a transgression, then that will be dealt

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Speaker 21: with through the appropriate channels.

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Speaker 20: Would or public to have access?

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Speaker 3: Would you have wanted the cameras to be ditched completely?

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Speaker 21: The cameras are here, and what we would like to

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Speaker 21: see is that the information and the data that we

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Speaker 21: can derive from those cameras is used in a clever,

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Speaker 21: smart way to make our businesses more efficient and more sustainable.

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Speaker 3: I thank you so much, Lisa is the Seafood New

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Speaker 3: Zealand CEO. It is twelve after five, Andrew dickens, Okay,

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Speaker 3: this is shocking. An urgent investigation is underway in New

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Speaker 3: South Wales. A video has appeared on social media that

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Speaker 3: shows nurses bragging about killing and refusing to treat Israeli patients.

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Speaker 3: Have a listen, let's say, let's say an Israeli.

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Speaker 8: God them up to them, you'll kill them.

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Speaker 22: So if an Israeli is in Australia and that's forbid,

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Speaker 22: something happened to.

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Speaker 8: Him and he comes to your hospital, would you kill him?

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Speaker 22: Okay, you have no idea how many Israeli A dog

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Speaker 22: came to this hospital and.

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Speaker 3: And then the guy makes a throat sitting gesture. Police

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Speaker 3: have been called in. Prime Minister Albanezi has described the

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Speaker 3: footage as sickening. Australian correspondent Andrew McFarlane is with me,

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Speaker 3: Hello Andrew, Hello, how are you good? Where did the

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Speaker 3: video come from?

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Speaker 23: Yes?

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Speaker 24: This video popped up on Instagram this morning and certainly

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Speaker 24: sent shockwaves through. It's sort of shot like a chat

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Speaker 24: roulette video where there's a social media personality and his

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Speaker 24: whole shtick because he goes around on this Roulette at

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Speaker 24: and talks to people from around the world. When he

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Speaker 24: stumbles across these two New South Wales Health employees who

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Speaker 24: are on the night shift at Bankstown Hospital, he starts

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Speaker 24: talking to them and when the pair in the video

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Speaker 24: discover that he is Israeli, that is when this discussion

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Speaker 24: starts between the two of them. And obviously those shocking

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Speaker 24: comments were made which have been allegedly labeled anti Semitic

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Speaker 24: by the police here by Anthony Albanesi, the Premier and

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Speaker 24: health officials as well.

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Speaker 3: What do we know about the nurses?

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Speaker 24: So the two of them were wearing these blue uniforms

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Speaker 24: with New South Wales Health logo. They've been working in

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Speaker 24: the Health department here for some time. One of them

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Speaker 24: is from Afghanistan but has moved to Australia several years

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Speaker 24: ago and become a citizen. There's a slightly strange situation

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Speaker 24: here where because the two of them were working the

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Speaker 24: overnight shift, they may technically still be asleep at this hour.

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Speaker 24: So while the Health department said they've been stood down

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Speaker 24: in their line to be fired, the pair of them

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Speaker 24: may not actually know that just yet.

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Speaker 3: Is there any truth that they actually did something terrible

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Speaker 3: or is this a braggadoccio or is there any evidence

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Speaker 3: of any patient harm.

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Speaker 24: At this stage there is no evidence. New South Wales

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Speaker 24: Health was pretty quick to say that they are obviously

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Speaker 24: testing those comments made allegedly by the pair in this video,

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Speaker 24: but at this stage they say there is no evidence

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Speaker 24: that anyone's either been denied treatment or killed in a

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Speaker 24: New South Wales Health facility because they are Israeli.

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Speaker 3: There have been a number of stories of anti Semitic

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Speaker 3: attacks in Australia, anti Semitic words and sentiments over the

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Speaker 3: past few months. It seems to just be growing. So

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Speaker 3: the pressure is on is it being stopped?

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Speaker 24: Well, that's the question Anthony Albanezi is facing daily. We've

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Speaker 24: had here in Sydney. There was a period of a

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Speaker 24: few weeks but almost every single day, certainly every single weekend,

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Speaker 24: the Jewish community in Sydney was waking up to these

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Speaker 24: pretty shocking comments, these bits of graffiti across their buildings,

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Speaker 24: their synagogues as well. They have taken a bit of

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Speaker 24: a downturn recently, but it's taken a lot of police

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Speaker 24: resourcing and a lot of messaging as well. This is

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Speaker 24: to attract a lot more international attention than the past ones.

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Speaker 24: And Anthony how Albanezi is facing accusations that he's going

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Speaker 24: soft on anti Semitic attacks. This isn't going to help

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Speaker 24: that narrative around his leadership.

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Speaker 3: Currently, Andrew McFarland, I thank you for your time. It

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Speaker 3: It's the big story. There will be no McDonald's and Wonica,

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Speaker 3: at least not anytime soon. The fast food giant's consent

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Speaker 3: application has been declined by commissioners. They said the proposed

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Speaker 3: development will be at odds with the town's rural living

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Speaker 3: is Queenstown Lakes District Deputy mayor and a one ACA local. Hello,

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Speaker 3: Quentin good Ay here you going good? Are you four?

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Speaker 20: Well?

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Speaker 23: Look at it? Well you take a side, but I

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Speaker 23: This was the discussion about location, probably not so much

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Speaker 23: about fast food.

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Speaker 3: Is Oneica still really rural living.

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Speaker 23: Well parts of it are. And this is the point that,

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Speaker 23: like I said before, there may be parts of town

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Speaker 23: where this activity might be appropriate. And if this was

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Speaker 23: little that any anybody could do to stop that.

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Speaker 3: Was it within one hundred meters of a mighty team

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Speaker 3: mega or warehouse in the New World?

876
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Speaker 23: No, not within one hundred meters, but it's not too

877
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Speaker 23: far away. But it is right on the on the right,

878
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Speaker 23: on the intersection and edge of the edge of town.

879
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Speaker 3: It's not okay, I didn't I have a measure. I'll

880
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 3: tell you. I'll it's right beside Mount Iron. It's right

881
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 3: beside the intersection. You go down the intersection to three,

882
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Speaker 3: maybe it's two hundred and fifty meters and then there's

883
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Speaker 3: a whole lot of concrete car parks. So what's wrong

884
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Speaker 3: with that place for a mcde's.

885
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Speaker 23: Well, look, that's not for me to determine. But the zoning.

886
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Speaker 23: You know that the planning assessment is based on the

887
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Speaker 23: zoning that it currently is and the Polish isn't objective

888
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Speaker 23: as this district plan and the commissioners found that that

889
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Speaker 23: was inconsistent. Look, if it was on a directly next

890
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Speaker 23: to my mile attend and it was on a commercial land,

891
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Speaker 23: that assessment would be need.

892
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Speaker 10: To be made.

893
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Speaker 3: Have McDonald's been told that that if they moved there

894
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Speaker 3: so they will probably get consent?

895
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Speaker 23: Well, look, I think that's pretty obvious to any professional

896
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Speaker 23: planners that the bust that that if they complied with

897
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Speaker 23: the zone rules and a commercial zone, they wouldn't.

898
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Speaker 3: Are you still with me or have you disappeared off

899
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Speaker 3: for a burger?

900
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Speaker 2: No?

901
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Speaker 23: No, I am here, I am here.

902
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Speaker 3: Oh good god, you just actually dropped off a little bit. Sorry,

903
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Speaker 3: that's okay, It's okay, okay. So it's all about proposed

904
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Speaker 3: mister gay measures. People who complained about it said, all

905
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Speaker 3: the planting and the bounding arms enough, and the building

906
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Speaker 3: and the signage and the lighting in the parking areas,

907
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Speaker 3: and they do not align with the communities objective to

908
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Speaker 3: protect and enhance our natural landscapes. Where they bang on

909
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Speaker 3: with that or are they wrong?

910
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Speaker 23: Well, look, traditionally in the ruts roon, if there is

911
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Speaker 23: an activity, even a house or that would be set

912
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Speaker 23: back from the road edge and they would use earth

913
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Speaker 23: mounting and planting or something like that to mitigate the impact.

914
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Speaker 23: It's fair to say that the McDonald's proposal was hard

915
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Speaker 23: against the road boundary and very little mitigation in place.

916
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Speaker 3: All right, rentin your phone line's terrible. I'm afraid you

917
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 3: should actually invest actually in rural phones and phone networks

918
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 3: down there. So I'm going to leave it there. But

919
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Speaker 3: Quentin Smith is the Deputy mayor of the Queenstound Lakes District,

920
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Speaker 3: and the claim is made if they had a different site,

921
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Speaker 3: perhaps they might get some approval. What do you think?

922
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Speaker 3: Ninety two ninety two, it's five twenty.

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Speaker 1: Three insight into today's issues. It's Andrew Dickens on Hither

924
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Speaker 1: duplicy Alan Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected

925
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: news talk.

926
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Speaker 3: Sa'd be So this morning's breaking story was all about

927
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 3: caring a order putting limits on the debt areas of

928
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 3: renters using their service and their attempts to reduce their

929
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 3: client's debt to the state. And I thought the whole

930
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 3: thing was a no brainer. If you don't enforce these rules,

931
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,479
Speaker 3: that's a path to even more poverty, a poverty trap.

932
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Speaker 3: As Kerrick said, anyone who thought this was a good

933
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Speaker 3: idea at the time, you don't make him pay it back,

934
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Speaker 3: that was exhibiting a false kindness because the thing about

935
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 3: debt is that it never magically disappears. So blame for

936
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Speaker 3: this whole thing has been sheeted home to the previous government.

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Speaker 3: Well that's fair enough, because it was a simplistic answer

938
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Speaker 3: to a complex problem. They were putting people into motels,

939
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Speaker 3: they weren't paying rent. They got into debt. But blame

940
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Speaker 3: must also rest on the public servants. Now, the case manager,

941
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Speaker 3: the regional manager, the national manager, and all the others

942
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Speaker 3: in the chain of bureaucracy charge with dealing with the

943
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 3: issue had a chance to say, look, you're getting into debt,

944
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 3: but they didn't. Did the minister know, did any of

945
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Speaker 3: the politicians know?

946
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Speaker 23: No?

947
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Speaker 3: And I would say that those public servants were careless

948
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Speaker 3: with the public purse. And in talkback on the topic

949
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Speaker 3: today we heard from an emergency housing specialist telling a

950
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Speaker 3: story about a family that costs the state six hundred

951
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 3: thousand dollars over two years to be housed in a

952
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Speaker 3: motel for two years. That is eight hundred dollars a

953
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Speaker 3: week for a motel room. Somebody said yes to that. Again,

954
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 3: that's on the government because the buck stops there, But

955
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 3: it's also on the public servants and also on the

956
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 3: motel owner who was profiteering off the tax player and

957
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 3: who that person? You knew you were ripping off the state.

958
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 3: Surely remember you're a taxpayer too. You're ripping yourself off.

959
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 3: You're ripping off your mates. You're ripping off me. It's

960
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 3: the same when you hear the building a state house

961
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 3: costs so much more than a private bill. Someone else's

962
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 3: clipping the ticket because it's the government, But you're clipping

963
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 3: the ticket off my money that I've given to actually

964
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 3: fund other stuff. We are all asking the government for

965
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 3: physical prudence, but all that comes to nothing if we

966
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 3: the taxpayers, view the taxpayers through the government as a

967
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 3: cash cow. Meanwhile, Judith Collins I lectured the Public Service

968
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 3: the other day and said, do not treat taxpayer money

969
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 3: like it's your own money, and stop wasting money and

970
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 3: leave the acronyms at the door. We're going to talk

971
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 3: about this with Flurfit Simon's from the Public Service Association. Shortly.

972
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 3: It is coming up five twenty nine, and this is

973
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Speaker 3: News Talk.

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Speaker 1: Zemb on the iHeart app and in your car on

975
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: your drive home, it's Andrew Dickens on Heather Dupers Alan

976
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news Talks.

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Speaker 8: It'd be no.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you. I'm Andrew Dickins. I'm into Ryan Bridge.

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Speaker 3: He's dealing with a family thing. He's gone for three

980
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Speaker 3: days and of course Ryan was in for Heather and

981
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Speaker 3: she's dealing with a family thing, which is a baby.

982
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 3: So she's gone for three months, and Ryan will be

983
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 3: back on Monday. I'll be here for the rest of

984
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Speaker 3: the week. So the oneicas McDonald's is getting a hot attraction.

985
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 3: A lot of back and forth on the text. Somebody says, Andrew,

986
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 3: you are way out of line. You don't live in Ononicad,

987
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 3: therefore it's none of your business. Well, if we all

988
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 3: took that attitude, nobody would talk about anything.

989
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 25: But there we go.

990
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 3: I go there enough, and I know where it is,

991
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 3: and I do have some opinions about it, and I've

992
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 3: expressed them. Meanwhile, the guy who does live there and

993
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 3: has been involved in the community at many different levels,

994
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 3: both in terms of commercial operations and in governance, has

995
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 3: sent me a text that says, Andrew, a coltext has

996
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 3: planned for the same site at the intersection off to hardware,

997
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 3: A coltext has planned for the same site. Will that

998
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 3: get approval? Well, well, I don't know, probably not. After this,

999
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 3: I'll be Then it's petrol, and everyone needs petrol. Nobody

1000
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 3: complains about petrol. And then if you had a McDonald's

1001
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 3: and a Coltex on that intersection. Wouldn't that automatically start

1002
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 3: making it a semi industrial site and therefore everybody will

1003
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 3: be pleased. So it's all about the future, Wanica. It's

1004
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 3: all about the future. It is twenty two to.

1005
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 8: Six Andrew Dickens.

1006
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 3: The new Public Services Minister, Judith Collins, has told public

1007
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 3: sector bosses to stop wasting money and leave their acronyms

1008
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 3: at the door. She made a speech to all the

1009
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 3: public service leaders yesterday. She said, I want you to

1010
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 3: cut down on the gob of degook. I want you

1011
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 3: to treat taxpayers money like your own. I want you

1012
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 3: to embrace the Prime Minister's culture of Yes. So flur

1013
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:08,919
Speaker 3: fit Zimon's is Public Service Association National Try that again.

1014
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 3: It's a run up because it's a long title. Flur

1015
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 3: Public Service Association Acting National Secretary and joins me, Now,

1016
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 3: so did you get a telling off?

1017
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 6: No?

1018
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 9: I don't think so. I think the Minister was had

1019
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 9: elements of kind of performative nature to what she was saying.

1020
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 9: There's a lot to agree with in her speech though

1021
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 9: she talked about using plain English. She talked about the

1022
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 9: importance of free and frank advice and the value of

1023
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 9: public servants. It's a bit rich to hear some of

1024
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 9: that from a government though that has cut so many jobs,

1025
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 9: and we know that New Zealanders are really feeling the

1026
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 9: impacts of that.

1027
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 3: They've cut jobs because they believe that government spending is high.

1028
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 3: They believe government spending is high because I believe government

1029
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 3: money is being wasted, and they believe the people doling

1030
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 3: out the government money in many cases are in fact

1031
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:58,399
Speaker 3: public servants.

1032
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 9: Right, and we fundamentally disagree with that. And actually what

1033
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 9: we need to see is more investment in our public service.

1034
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 9: We're dealing with complicated, difficult issues like climate change, and

1035
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 9: we're a coastal nation. We are going to need the

1036
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 9: best and brightest working on these difficult issues to make

1037
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 9: sure that New Zealand can protect itself and deliver its

1038
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 9: emission reduction targets. And it's just one example. There are

1039
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 9: many such complicated issues that we need public servants working

1040
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 9: on every day and we need to keep the best

1041
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 9: and brightest here in New Zealand.

1042
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 3: Yes, but the Minister also said that New Zealand did

1043
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 3: not have the economic growth to support the thirty four

1044
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 3: percent increase in the size of the public service that

1045
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 3: happened between twenty seventeen and twenty twenty three, and you

1046
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 3: do have to be proportionate, don't you.

1047
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 9: Yeah, we don't really agree with her figures there. Actually,

1048
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 9: if you look at the size of New Zealand's public

1049
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 9: service compared with Australia or the United Kingdom, is a

1050
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 9: proportion of the population, it's broadly similar. But also it's

1051
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 9: worth remembering that during that period we did have an

1052
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 9: increased number of public servants working on COVID, and nobody

1053
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,959
Speaker 9: would disagree that the important work they did to save

1054
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 9: lives shouldn't be invested in. So look, there has been

1055
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 9: some very damaging cuts and the cuts have been damaging

1056
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 9: for those individuals and their families, but also for the

1057
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 9: capacity of our public service to deliver the policy needs

1058
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 9: and policy implementation for the government of the day.

1059
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 3: Do you feel like the previous government has been carrying

1060
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 3: the can for all of this because perhaps they weren't

1061
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 3: well served by the public service.

1062
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 9: Now I think we've got a very professional public service.

1063
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 9: In fact, New Zealand's public service is known as one

1064
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:42,760
Speaker 9: of the least corrupt.

1065
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 20: All over the world.

1066
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,720
Speaker 9: We don't have a problem with corruption, we have good transparency,

1067
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 9: we have strong public servants, giving free and frank advice

1068
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 9: to governments of the day in a politically neutral way,

1069
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 9: no matter who's in government.

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Speaker 3: Well, very good. I thank you for your time today, flirforit. Simons,

1071
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 3: who is the Public Service Association Acting National Secretary? I

1072
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 3: thank you for your time. It is eighteen to six

1073
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 3: The Huddle with.

1074
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Speaker 1: New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and global exposure like no.

1075
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Speaker 3: Other jactating from Saturday mornings on news Storks at B

1076
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 3: and Sarah Trumpman from Business Mentors join me. Howll the

1077
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 3: guys killed up? Oh us right? Sarah? Are you there?

1078
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 3: I sure am, And that's very good. So Judith Collins

1079
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 3: told off the public service? What did you make of it?

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00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 20: Jack?

1081
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 10: Look?

1082
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 26: I think flu is entirely right. I think there was

1083
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 26: probably an element of political theater involved in Judith Colins statements.

1084
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 26: And when it comes to political theater, there are a

1085
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Speaker 26: few masters of greater talent than Judith Collins. That being said,

1086
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 26: at the core of the message I think are entirely

1087
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 26: reasonable points. Yes, I think sometimes the public service can

1088
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Speaker 26: get a bit grandiose in some of its language, and

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Speaker 26: especially given the current fiscal conditions we all face. The

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Speaker 26: economic conditions we all face. I think it's absolutely incumbent

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Speaker 26: public service public servants spend taxpayer dollars wisely. That being said,

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Speaker 26: I don't think there are too many recent examples, at

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Speaker 26: least during this term and government, of you know, gross

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Speaker 26: spending from government departments or public service that might raise

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Speaker 26: the ire of the taxpayer. You know, I recall a

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Speaker 26: couple of prime examples in the last couple of years

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Speaker 26: from farewell Who's and celebrations and birthday parties and things

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Speaker 26: where some tens of thousands of dollars well spent. I

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Speaker 26: think that sort of you know, that sort of attitude

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Speaker 26: has been stamped out. Probably wasn't terribly widespread to begin with,

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Speaker 26: But yeah, I think most public servants are probably on

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Speaker 26: board with the minister's comments. They probably didn't need the reminder.

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Speaker 26: I think that's for the rest of us.

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Speaker 3: Well, what do you think, Sarah I actually thought when

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Speaker 3: I was listening to Flur, I thought, oh gosh, she's

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Speaker 3: she's saying no all the way through that there was

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Speaker 3: a lack of humility, that you know, she believed that

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Speaker 3: her point of view was more important than the ministers.

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Speaker 3: What do you think look to be honest?

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Speaker 5: I found myself getting a bit irritated with her the

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Speaker 5: more she spoke. And you know, to Jack's point, with respect,

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Speaker 5: if somebody's throwing a thirty thousand dollar farewell for a

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Speaker 5: CEO and they think it's okay, one wonders about the

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Speaker 5: culture and an organization. When I heard JERF Collins warning

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Speaker 5: the public service, I thought, hallelujas, here's a politician that

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Speaker 5: understands the blood, sweat and tears that goes into making

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Speaker 5: a dollar. But I also noticed that she called on

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Speaker 5: the public service to embrace innovation, specifically AI, and to

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Speaker 5: be championing high standards and on all for that. But look,

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Speaker 5: I think she's always been a great servant of the people.

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Speaker 5: She's always got the people at heart. We the tax

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Speaker 5: person spends what six billion dollars on salaries for people

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Speaker 5: in the public service, As Furst said, I think it

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Speaker 5: was blursted that's gone up thirty four percent and it's

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Speaker 5: got to come back down. Many of these people are

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Speaker 5: but it certainly doesn't hurt to encourage them to spend

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Speaker 5: our money as if it's their own.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, okay, Sarah can that's just so one thing I

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Speaker 27: think I think we do like run into danger of

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Speaker 27: turning public servants into the enemy kind of unnecessarily, like

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Speaker 27: turning this cultural war that doesn't need to exist.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Jack, I don't know how much you've dealt

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Speaker 3: with them. Some of them are the enemy, some of

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Speaker 3: them are actually they've got such a political belief they

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Speaker 3: stop stuff at.

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Speaker 26: Actually, I actually think for the most part, so that Look,

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Speaker 26: there are bad actors in every organization, everywhere, whether it's

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Speaker 26: the private sector or the public sector. I think for

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Speaker 26: the most part we can be thankful that in New

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Speaker 26: Zealand we have a relatively politically neutral public service. I'm

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Speaker 26: not saying it's perfect, but I think for the most

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Speaker 26: part it's pretty good. And I think for the most part,

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Speaker 26: the vast majority of people working in the public service

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Speaker 26: are not working there because they're expecting to make millions

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Speaker 26: of dollars or.

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Speaker 27: Anything like that and everyone else off.

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Speaker 3: I agree with you on that they are woefully underpaid.

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Speaker 3: If you go to Singapore, then the highest paid people,

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Speaker 3: you know, they are woefully underpaid and pay peanuts. You

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Speaker 3: get monkeys. But look, we're got to get on to

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Speaker 3: the big story of the day, which is one, and

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Speaker 3: it's McDonald's. It's next, it's fourteen to six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Sotheby's International Realty Elevate the

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Speaker 1: marketing of your Home.

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Speaker 3: On the Hell of Jack, Jack Taymer and Sarah Trupman

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Speaker 3: and I'm Andrew Dickens right. Oneicer has told Macas it

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Speaker 3: won't be allowed to build a restaurant in the town.

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Speaker 3: We talked to the Deputy mayor. He suggested that maybe

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Speaker 3: it was a better site. It could be, it could happen. However,

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Speaker 3: i've read the decision. I never read any of that

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Speaker 3: in there. What did you guys make of the decision? Sarah?

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Speaker 5: Oh, look, I wasn't surprised by it. The vast majority

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Speaker 5: of those three hundred and fifty submittives and that's quite

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Speaker 5: a high number for this sort of consultation, they were

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Speaker 5: opposed to it. But I do wonder about it. I think, yes,

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Speaker 5: the commissioners do need to consider the district plan. These

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Speaker 5: things are usually widely consulted on. But for me, I wondered,

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Speaker 5: where are we're the property rights set in the priority

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Speaker 5: of things. And I also thought it was interesting that

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Speaker 5: McDonald's spent more than a year navigating the Rima, making

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Speaker 5: major concessions throughout the process, and you've got to wonder

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Speaker 5: what sort of message we're sending on the ease of

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Speaker 5: doing business in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Jack, Wait, reckon, I know you're a keen tramp and

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Speaker 3: you go at the mountains and boy, there's nothing like

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Speaker 3: a quarter pounder when you've come down from mount to

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Speaker 3: spot help.

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Speaker 26: Far be it from me to jump on the side

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Speaker 26: of the big fast food franchisers. In fact, I think

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Speaker 26: it's eighteen years at least since I had my last

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Speaker 26: meal from McDonald's Andrew, But I think with the decision,

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Speaker 26: so the locals raise concerns about the esthetic essentially right,

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Speaker 26: and McDonald's tried to meet them halfway. They said, right

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Speaker 26: for starters, we won't operate twenty four hours a day

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Speaker 26: just by our original plan, or reduce the opening hours,

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Speaker 26: and they even reduced the size of the golden arches

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Speaker 26: of the logo as far as I understand it. So

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Speaker 26: I don't know, like I say, far for me to

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Speaker 26: come down the side of the big brands. But I

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Speaker 26: reckon it's a little bit snooty. I reckon it's just

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Speaker 26: a little bit snooty.

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Speaker 6: And you know.

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Speaker 26: That maybe there'll be another opportunity for another operator to

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Speaker 26: come in and perhaps McDonald's to have another crack if

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Speaker 26: they find another location. But yeah, I'm on McDonald's side

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Speaker 26: on this one.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And here's the thing, didn't the payment is to say,

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Speaker 3: we've got to stop saying no.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, right, aren't we all pro growth now? Aren't we

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Speaker 26: saying yes to these things? Aren't we getting sick of

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Speaker 26: how long it takes stuff to get through the planning process?

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Speaker 26: I mean, Wanaka has that classic small town thing. It's

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Speaker 26: the same thing that they had in Queenstown over the

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Speaker 26: Hill about twenty years ago.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 26: One of the charms is that it's a really beautiful

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Speaker 26: small town in an idyllic location. The problem is that

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Speaker 26: you get heaps in New Zealanders who go, hey, here's

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Speaker 26: a beautiful small town, an idyllic location, let's move here.

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Speaker 11: Right.

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Speaker 3: Well, I know, well that the old town is like

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Speaker 3: the old town, but the new town, Northlake and all that,

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Speaker 3: that's a new town. And there's lots of young families

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Speaker 3: who have moved there. There's over thirteen thousand people living

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Speaker 3: in the place. The place is coming on to being

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Speaker 3: a city, and it's going to be a city without

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Speaker 3: a McDonald's if they're going to say they've got to

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Speaker 3: McDonald's in Gore, so come on now. Anyway, New Zealand

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Speaker 3: has slipped to it's worst ever ranking on the Least

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Speaker 3: Corruption Country list. Than there's conniptions about this because we're

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Speaker 3: now in spot number four, which is still quite good

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Speaker 3: or is it not. I don't know, what do you think, Sarah.

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Speaker 5: I think we should be very worried about it, not

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Speaker 5: so much that we sit at number four, but more

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Speaker 5: the trend of perception of our integrity trending downwards. We're

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Speaker 5: a small country, a long long way away from our

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Speaker 5: export markets, and I just don't think we can afford

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Speaker 5: to be complacent about the quality of our reputation. And

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Speaker 5: I think, also, Andrew, one of the things we've got

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Speaker 5: to remember is that the CPI isn't reporting the views

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Speaker 5: of Joe average. These views are views of thirteen expert organizations.

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Speaker 5: And I think also we need to think about the

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Speaker 5: fact that two thirds of countries have a score of

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Speaker 5: less than fifty out of one hundred, and there are

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Speaker 5: billions of dollars of climate funds at risk of being

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Speaker 5: stolen or misused within these countries, And you know, you

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Speaker 5: just need to look at the last year in climate

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Speaker 5: change conference and a number of oil and guests, lobbyists

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Speaker 5: that we're calling all over that.

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Speaker 20: So I think this is the biggest news of the day.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, and Jack, Yeah, look, it's serious, right.

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Speaker 26: I know you're out of time, Andrew, so I'll just

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Speaker 26: say this. I think the ranking doesn't matter so much

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Speaker 26: as the trend. And actually there are a couple of

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Speaker 26: areas that we could tidy up in New Zealand and

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Speaker 26: make a big difference.

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Speaker 3: Some of the rules around lobbying.

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Speaker 26: Top of the list for me. And if we're trying

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Speaker 26: to attract international investment, having a really really strong reputation

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Speaker 26: around corruption is absolutely vital because any company or person

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Speaker 26: that's coming into New Zealand wants to spend money here

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Speaker 26: developing a business, of developing our opportunity opening McDonald's and Wanaka,

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Speaker 26: wants to know that they are doing it on an

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Speaker 26: equal playing field. They want to know that there's no

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Speaker 26: one else who's getting a secret advantage. And that's why

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Speaker 26: I think this is so important.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so so much to both of you. That

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Speaker 3: is Jack Tame and Sierah Trupman. That's the huddle. This

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Speaker 3: is news talks here.

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Speaker 1: B it's the Heather Tuper c Allen Drive Full Show

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Speaker 1: podcast on my Art Radio powered by News Talks.

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Speaker 8: It be.

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Speaker 3: News Talks here. B Martin reckons I'm out of touch

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Speaker 3: when I say that many public students are underpaid. He says,

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Speaker 3: the public services full to the brim with those who

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Speaker 3: are overpaid. No, I disagree with that, Martin. Some are,

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Speaker 3: some aren't. For instance, Health New Zealand. If you're in

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Speaker 3: charge of Health New Zealand, you're in charge of eighty

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Speaker 3: thousand workers. Eighty thousand workers. Margie Appa got eight hundred

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Speaker 3: and ninety five thousand dollars for the privilege of that.

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Speaker 3: If you're in charge of Fonterra, well there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of export stuff on that, you get six million. You

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Speaker 3: look at almost all the companies around the place. They

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Speaker 3: don't have the staff that. Of course, the public students

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Speaker 3: have to deal with it, and they are paid much

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Speaker 3: much more. I could talk about my boss and his

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Speaker 3: salary at how many people he runs, but I'm not

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Speaker 3: going to because I like working here anyway. I'm going

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Speaker 3: to talk very shortly to Victorious Short, who is the

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Speaker 3: ASB CEO. They released their profit today. It's up a

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Speaker 3: little bit that might be an indication of green shoots

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Speaker 3: and the recovery. And if there is green shoots, how

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Speaker 3: long will this recovery take. So Victoria Short asb CEO

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Speaker 3: is my next guest as we get into the business

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Speaker 3: sector of Heatherton PC Allen's Drive show currently hosted by

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Speaker 3: Ryan Bridge, who is in the family thing right now.

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Speaker 3: So I'm Andrew Dickins filling in and back after news

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Speaker 3: and sporting.

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Speaker 8: For your family.

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Speaker 2: But this.

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Speaker 19: Dot I'm willing, but then stamm where a show you

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Speaker 19: the daughter.

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Speaker 8: Fam where.

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Speaker 1: and Mayor's Insurance and investments, Grow.

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Speaker 8: Your wealth, protect your future. Us talks end be's.

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Speaker 3: Well, good afternoon to you and thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for joining us. My name is Andrew Dickens, fill again

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Speaker 3: for Ryan who's doing some family stuff at the moment.

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Speaker 3: He'll be back on Monday. I had a text through

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Speaker 3: from Bob and many other people are asking about Heather.

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Speaker 3: I talked to Barry Sopa about Heather and I said

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Speaker 3: we really need to talk about hither and the baby,

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Speaker 3: and he went all okay, And so we've made the

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Speaker 3: agreement to talk about hither on Friday when Barry does

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Speaker 3: his political summation at about a quarter to five, So

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Speaker 3: join me then. She's great, by the way, and so's mackay. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: I've got some big news for you about the City

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Speaker 3: rail link, but that's later in the program. Right now,

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Speaker 3: ASB has declared a net profit after tax of seven

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Speaker 3: hundred and sixteen million dollars for the six months to December.

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Speaker 3: That is up one percent on the same period the

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Speaker 3: year before. The bank says home and rural lending grew,

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Speaker 3: but operating expenses have increased for everybody. It comes as

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Speaker 3: the government's investigating banks and whether they're competitive enough. So

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Speaker 3: I'm joined now by the asb's CEO, Victoria Short. Hello Victoria,

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Speaker 3: Hi Andrew, how are you good? Nice little tick up

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Speaker 3: from last year and so can we take from that

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Speaker 3: at corner has been turned in the economy.

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Speaker 22: Yeah.

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Speaker 20: Well, the way that we're describing it is we think

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Speaker 20: that the economic recovery is beginning, and we know that

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Speaker 20: inflation's back in target range. We know that the ocr

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Speaker 20: or infrastrates and moving downwards to more neutral levels. And

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Speaker 20: what we can see is that our customers who have

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Speaker 20: been doing it taugh in our stress are really helping actions.

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Speaker 20: They're taking the actions that we can take to support them,

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Speaker 20: and so we are studying to the customers moving out

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Speaker 20: of stress situations.

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Speaker 3: You have described any future recovery as gradual. What do

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Speaker 3: you mean by that?

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Speaker 20: It takes time for some of these things to flow through. So,

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Speaker 20: for example, about eighty percent of our business or rural

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Speaker 20: customers have been on variable loans, and with variable loans,

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Speaker 20: we pass through those cash rates very quickly. But we

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Speaker 20: know that, for example, people with home loans are mostly

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Speaker 20: fixed and around forty five percent of our fixed blending

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Speaker 20: to homeowners will they will go into a lower rate

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Speaker 20: by June and about seventy percent by Christmas. So it's

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Speaker 20: taking some time for the benefits of these lower rates

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Speaker 20: to flow through and be felt by our particular homeowners.

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Speaker 3: You've also described it as the most difficult economic cycle

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Speaker 3: and a generation. So how bad has it been that

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Speaker 3: it's worse?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, I think you know what I say. Well, the

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Speaker 20: way that I'm really thinking about that is the global

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Speaker 20: financial crisis had some serious impacts around the world, but

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Speaker 20: wasn't stelt as much in New Zealand. When we think

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Speaker 20: about what we've gone through recently with COVID and all

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Speaker 20: of the challenges with lockdowns and and the like. It

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Speaker 20: has been a really difficult period for businesses and households alike,

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Speaker 20: and they've been making a lot of adjustments. So that's

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Speaker 20: why we say that it really has been a particularly

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Speaker 20: difficult period and then also a lot of confusion. You know,

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Speaker 20: rates have gone down quickly, they've come up quickly, they're

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Speaker 20: going back down again, and so key decisions around lending

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Speaker 20: and when to fix the weather to float. It's been

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Speaker 20: quite confusing for people.

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Speaker 3: Now you've been dropping interest rates. Your lowest rate is

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Speaker 3: currently the eighteen month rate that's at five point one nine.

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Speaker 3: When do you think we'll break the five percent barrier?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, so hard to tell. I think you know what

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Speaker 20: we're saying. You know, our economists believe that we'll see

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Speaker 20: a fifty point decrease next week with the ocr call,

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Speaker 20: and we're expecting another two twenty five drops, so one

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Speaker 20: hundred basis points decline in the cash rate for this year.

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Speaker 20: So that's our expectations. But we're also quite quick to say,

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Speaker 20: you know, people need to be thoughtful because interest rates

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Speaker 20: can change depending on world events, and we've seen a

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Speaker 20: lot of that over the last few years, so we

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Speaker 20: need to.

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Speaker 3: Be cautious to Now Shane Jones is waging a war

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Speaker 3: against what he calls woke banking. So what do you

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Speaker 3: make of his bill? It would limit who you can

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Speaker 3: do business with.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, look, I think you know, he's posing some good

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Speaker 20: questions that need a discussion, and I think it's important

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Speaker 20: that to start with, New Zealand has set a net

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Speaker 20: zero target and the government has actually reconfirmed its commitment

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Speaker 20: to that target. So it really that's there.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 20: For ASB the way we think about it, it's about

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Speaker 20: supporting our customers and how they transition. So for our

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Speaker 20: customers who are fuel retailers, you know, this transition is

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Speaker 20: front and center of their business planning and thinking, and

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Speaker 20: we want to support them with those transition activities.

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Speaker 3: But a service station operator who's just trying to do

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Speaker 3: an honest business and catering for a need that exists,

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Speaker 3: feels are done by well, we're.

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Speaker 20: Supporting those customers. I guess that's the point I'm trying

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Speaker 20: to make. You know, we support fuel retailers, we continue

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Speaker 20: to and it's part of what we see is our

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Speaker 20: job in supporting a transition open banking.

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Speaker 3: Now, the government is very hot on this. Have you

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Speaker 3: got it running? And if you do, oh you have

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Speaker 3: that's good people using it.

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Speaker 20: Yes, so open banking. So yes, we delivered the whole

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Speaker 20: industry delivered two big APIs as we call them. So

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Speaker 20: that's the interfaces or technology interfaces between ourselves and our

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Speaker 20: customer's information and FinTechs. In essence, we have five FinTechs

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Speaker 20: that are live using those that technology if you like.

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Speaker 20: But I guess one of the things that we noticed

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Speaker 20: from around the world is open banking just really hasn't

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Speaker 20: had significant take ups. So what we want to make

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Speaker 20: sure we get right is the safety of customers, data

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Speaker 20: and information that's really.

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Speaker 3: Important, and education obviously. And finally, you are a CEO

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Speaker 3: of a very big company which has international ownership. Do

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Speaker 3: you have an opinion on New Zealand's corporate tax levels

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Speaker 3: and whether they should be lowered and if they were,

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Speaker 3: would that attract more foreign investment?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 20: Look, I think there's quite a lot in that question.

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Speaker 20: But you know, the government, the government's job to understand

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Speaker 20: tax and make the appropriate settings based on how it

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Speaker 20: says the box. So I think I'll leave that sort

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Speaker 20: of job to the government. But I do think that

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Speaker 20: point around foreign investment is a really important one to consider.

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Speaker 20: New Zealand really needs international investment and I think it's

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Speaker 20: important to make sure we're not sending mixed signals.

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Speaker 3: Very good Victoria Short, the CEO of the ASB, I

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Speaker 3: thank you for your time today. The time is now

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Speaker 3: six fourteen. Here's the big news about Auckland City Rail Link,

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Speaker 3: the crail, the trains under the tunnels. They're actually going

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Speaker 3: to have trains running in the tunnel tonight. It's the

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Speaker 3: first test run of trains through the tunnel, so we're

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Speaker 3: getting there bit by bit. It's a three point four

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Speaker 3: to five kilometer journey and it's going to be slow.

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Speaker 3: They're going to run the trains at about five kilometers

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Speaker 3: an hour and technicians are going to be on board

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Speaker 3: to complete their first round of checks underground. So tonight

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Speaker 3: is a major miles stone. It might actually happen. Six

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Speaker 3: point fifteen. Jane Tip trainee is actually with me in

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Speaker 3: a few moments time, and we're going to talk about

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Speaker 3: some reviews into the running of the ACC that's next

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Speaker 3: here on zeb.

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Speaker 1: It's the head supers Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio empowered by News.

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Speaker 3: Talks EPPI News Talks B. It is seventeen minutes after

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Speaker 3: six and the government's announced not just one, but two

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Speaker 3: reviews into the running of ACC and consultants will look

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Speaker 3: into ACC's operational performance and its investments.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: Janete hips Freni is The Herald's Wellington Business editor and

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Speaker 3: joins me in the studio. Hello, Jay, you good? He Andrew,

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Speaker 3: all right, why is there reason to believe that the

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Speaker 3: Accident Compensation Corporation's investment decisions are not the right ones?

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Speaker 28: Well, that is a good question. ACC has actually been

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Speaker 28: reporting pretty good returns in the past year at its

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Speaker 28: returns worth seven point twenty six percent. Since nineteen ninety two,

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Speaker 28: on average, its returns have been just over nine percent,

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Speaker 28: so it's been beating its benchmark over the years. Those

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Speaker 28: are pretty good returns. But Commas and Consumer affairsman are

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Speaker 28: stand also the Minister for ACC, Andrew Bailey, he is

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Speaker 28: wary of the fact that ACC basic he doesn't have

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Speaker 28: enough money to meet all of its claims liabilities.

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Speaker 10: Now.

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Speaker 28: ACC is seven billion dollars in deficit at the moment.

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Speaker 28: You know, that is really big and that is weighing

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Speaker 28: on the government's books substantively. Listeners might recall that Nicola Willis,

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Speaker 28: the Finance Minister, was so wary of this that she

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Speaker 28: got the Treasury to introduce a new way of reporting

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Speaker 28: the government's surplus or deficit called ober gal X to

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Speaker 28: exclude ACC because ACC's deficit was weighing so heavily on

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Speaker 28: the government's books. You know, it makes the government look bad.

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Speaker 28: So Andrew Bailey is trying to do what he can

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Speaker 28: to figure out, well, you know, what are the issues

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Speaker 28: and what can be improved. Now, one of the things

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Speaker 28: is the investments he wants to He's getting these consultants

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Speaker 28: and to look to see are they using the right approach,

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Speaker 28: what's the governance like, so on and so on? Are

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Speaker 28: they focusing too much on investing in clean things? That

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Speaker 28: was something he suggested to me. You know, carbon emissions.

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Speaker 28: Are they too fixated on that? So it'll be interesting

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Speaker 28: to see what comes of that now, you suggested as well.

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Speaker 28: The other thing they're looking at is the way ACC operates,

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Speaker 28: you know, the claims management. Are they letting people stay

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Speaker 28: in ACC for too long?

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Speaker 3: Right? Okay, So what are the consultants expected to do?

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Speaker 28: Well, there's a long list of things they need to do.

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Speaker 28: Andrew Bailey said that he ultimately, whatever came of this,

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Speaker 28: he's not going to tell ACC this is how you

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Speaker 28: need to invest the money. It's fifty billion dollars of money, right,

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Speaker 28: that's the size of the portfolio. It's a lot of money.

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Speaker 28: But I guess if there are any constraints he's used

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Speaker 28: the word constraints preventing ACC from maximizing returns, he wants

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Speaker 28: to remove those. My opinion is that the bigger issue

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Speaker 28: here is actually around claims management. It's the fact that

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Speaker 28: people are staying on ACC for longer, They're taking longer

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Speaker 28: to get rehabilitated to get back to work. You know,

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Speaker 28: that might bring up some bigger questions around the health system.

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Speaker 28: Is it taking people too long to be seen?

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Speaker 3: And court decisions in seeing that ACC has expanded responsibilities

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Speaker 3: and liabilities totally.

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Speaker 28: So that is a huge factor. There've been a number

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Speaker 28: of court rulings, one of which relates to people who

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Speaker 28: can't work because of injuries suffered when they were children.

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Speaker 28: This court ruling means that ACC reckons about an additional

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Speaker 28: one hundred thousand people might become eligible for ACC cover

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Speaker 28: for compensation due to this court ruling now that should

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Speaker 28: bring ACC's claims liability up by about three point five

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Speaker 28: billion dollars.

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Speaker 3: That's just the one court ruling.

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Speaker 28: So so you know, Andrew Baty said to me that

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Speaker 28: she looking at what ACC covers, the scope of its

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Speaker 28: coverage is not something the reviews are going to cover.

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Speaker 3: It's a huge, huge story and you're covering it so well.

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Speaker 3: And I thank you so much to natim trying you

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Speaker 3: think you It is now six twenty one for the

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Speaker 3: asset management on asset stuff and investment stuff is next.

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Speaker 3: So look, we all do it. We do it every day.

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Speaker 3: We overthink big things, things like job and security and

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01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 3: mortgage rates in that lump in our neck, and we

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Speaker 1: Inz crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Andrew

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Speaker 1: Dickens whim of the Business Hour and MAS Insurance and Investments,

1535
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Speaker 1: Grow your Wealth, Protect your Future News talks eNB.

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Speaker 3: It is now six twenty five and Jeremy Hutton joins

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01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 3: me from Milford Act Management.

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Speaker 22: Hello, Jeremy, good evening, Andrew.

1539
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 3: Reporting season kicked off this week with Vulcan Steel. So

1540
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 3: what are we expecting for the financial results of inside

1541
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 3: X Companies and Artilla. We just had the result from

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01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 3: ASB which is a tick up and people are saying, oh,

1543
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 3: that might be you know, a suddenly a sprout of green.

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01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 20: Yeah.

1545
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 22: Vulcan Steel they kicked off what will be a very

1546
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 22: busy three week period for INSIDEX stock market analysts, so

1547
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 22: this should be a lot of newsflow coming out of

1548
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 22: New Zealand companies over the next few weeks. So that'll

1549
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 22: be really interesting seeing how they're seeing the world at

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01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 22: the moment. Now, this result period does cover the second

1551
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:01,599
Speaker 22: half of twenty twenty four, which prizingly the market has

1552
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 22: pretty low expectations for now. Vulcan Steel their results confirmed

1553
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 22: some of those challenges we're expecting as reference for listeners.

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01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 22: Vulcan is a steel and aluminum distributor based in New

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01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 22: Zealand and Australia, and their first half net profit result

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01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:21,680
Speaker 22: was down sixty five percent versus last year and this

1557
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 22: is now down from around eighty five percent from the

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01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:27,600
Speaker 22: peak times that they had just after COVID.

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Speaker 3: And this is before the steel and odymdium tariffs that

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01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 3: are coming in as well. But Vocus Steel had some

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01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 3: very interesting comments yesterday on their outlook for twenty five.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, one of the most interesting aspects in my view

1563
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 22: of the reporting season is it is a really good

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01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:45,799
Speaker 22: chance to hear from a variety of New Zealand businesses

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Speaker 22: on their view of the go forward so what are

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Speaker 22: their expectations for twenty twenty five. And Vulcan Steel, as

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Speaker 22: we know, has been at the really pointy end of

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Speaker 22: a construction and building activity slowdown and this is a

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Speaker 22: really important part of the New Zealand economy. But they

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Speaker 22: finally had some more positive news. So the Vulcan management

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Speaker 22: team they were much more optimistic on their view of

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Speaker 22: the next twelve months. They are talking to tangible green

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01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 22: shoots that they're seeing and better customer orders in their

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Speaker 22: forward pipeline as well. So finally some good news for

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Speaker 22: that sector.

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Speaker 3: Play to Buildings next week. Do you think they might

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01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 3: say something similar.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, I'd say that Fletchers are unlikely to be as positive.

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01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 22: They have warm of the market up fairly well for

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01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 22: a tough six month period that's just been and the

1581
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 22: business has been through a lot of change recently at

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01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:37,799
Speaker 22: the senior leadership level, so a relatively new CEO, CFO

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01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 22: and the chair also just appointed fairly recently as well,

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01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 22: so they're all getting their feet under the table somewhat.

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01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,439
Speaker 22: But the market won't have that much patience, you know,

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01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:52,639
Speaker 22: they'll be expecting some pretty significant thinking from those senior

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01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 22: leaders on what the go forward plans for the business

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01:21:55,080 --> 01:22:00,720
Speaker 22: are and further furthermore the New Zealand Convention Center another week.

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Speaker 22: It just highlights some of the challenges that Fletcher's is

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01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 22: continuing to work through.

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Speaker 3: And we're expecting news out of the electricity gent tailors.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, Contact Energy. They're kicking off the big electricity gent

1593
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 22: tailors on Monday, and some of the gent tailor results

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01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 22: will be a little soft around the edges, you know,

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01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 22: some of them have been impacted by that very dry

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01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 22: end to the winter in twenty four Some of them

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01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 22: had to buy some very expensive gas to keep the

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Speaker 22: market supplied with electricity. I also expect the gent tailors

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Speaker 22: to announce a range of renewable projects. It's very important

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Speaker 22: that they continue to build more generation for the country

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01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 22: as it demands. And then finally, any comments that they

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01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 22: have on system resilience or gas that will be followed

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01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 22: very closely, especially by politicians. They will not be wanting

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01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 22: a repeat of some of the winter stresses that we

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01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 22: had last year.

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Speaker 3: Is I've got some news on that after the news

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Speaker 3: which is up next. Jeremy Hutton from Milford Asset Management,

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Speaker 3: I thank you so much for your time, Day six

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Speaker 3: twenty nine.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro microbe or just plain economics. It's all

1611
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 1: on the Business Hours with Andrew Dickens and theirs. Insurance

1612
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:20,759
Speaker 1: and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future, use talks,

1613
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 1: feed in.

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Speaker 8: Name and say.

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Speaker 3: Evening to you. I'm Andrew Dickens and for Ryan Bridge,

1616
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 3: and this is the Business Hour. We heard Jeremy Hutton

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01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 3: just now from Milford Asset Management talking about the gent

1618
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 3: tailors and talking about how they may announce some new renewables.

1619
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 3: Well they need to because here is a story that

1620
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:48,760
Speaker 3: happened today which hits New Zealand's ambition to become a

1621
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,160
Speaker 3: greener economy. The country's big four power companies are looking

1622
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 3: to extend the life of Huntley Power Station. They want

1623
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:59,759
Speaker 3: to improve energy security. Genesis owns the station. It's agreed

1624
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 3: with Mercury, Meridian and Contact to look at ways to

1625
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:07,759
Speaker 3: extend the life of the coal and gas fired units.

1626
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:10,439
Speaker 3: Now those units were due for retirement in the next

1627
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:14,839
Speaker 3: few years. This power station is getting old. Last winter's

1628
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 3: energy crisis is the reason. You know, so say whatever

1629
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 3: you want, believe whatever you want. Until we develop more

1630
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 3: renewable and clean energy sources, then coal is here to stay.

1631
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 3: Because you can't put the wagon before the horse. You

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01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:32,839
Speaker 3: can't get rid of coal if you don't have the replacement.

1633
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 3: And remember, if you want growth, growth, growth, growth, growth, growth, growth,

1634
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 3: you need power, power, power, power, power, power power. All right,

1635
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 3: on the way, Gavin Gray from the UK. But right

1636
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 3: now we've got Patrick Smley from Business Desk. It sounds

1637
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 3: like New Zealand First has come to the party when

1638
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 3: it comes to overseas buyers of property and Patrick, a

1639
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 3: Business desk is reporting New Zealand First to set to

1640
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 3: agree to allow wealthy people to buy homes above a

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01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 3: certain threshold, reportedly five million dollars. So Patrick Spley from

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01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 3: Business Desk is with me. Now, Hello, Patrick, Hi, Andrew.

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01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 18: I'm sure I'm not the only person who's written there.

1644
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:14,879
Speaker 3: You know, well, okay, do we know that the threshold

1645
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 3: is five million dollars?

1646
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 18: We don't know that, and in many ways do pervoty

1647
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 18: yds with you. I think the more important thing is

1648
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 18: that New Zealand First has agreed to a set of

1649
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 18: reforms to the Overseas Investment Regime and so act. And

1650
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 18: it seems to me that that's actually even more significant

1651
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 18: than the residential property thing, because that's what international investors

1652
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 18: coming into the summit next month will be wanting to

1653
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 18: know about. So it's almost like that summit has accelerated

1654
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 18: a debate that had to be had at the Coutnet

1655
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 18: table about how they got to that point, and all

1656
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 18: this visa stuff is really supporting all of that, so

1657
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 18: that people who might want to come here in the

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01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:03,560
Speaker 18: course of making investments, we'll find that easier to do.

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01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I understand act absolutely, But New Zealand first,

1660
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 3: that is a sea change.

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01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:15,560
Speaker 29: They have been persuaded over a period of time, and

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01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 29: Peter started talking about it last year, and I think

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01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 29: Shane Jones is particularly on board and has probably been

1664
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 29: influential in changing Winston Peters's mind to a more nuanced

1665
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:29,879
Speaker 29: view about foreign investment.

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01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,560
Speaker 18: And as long as it's a reasonably toppy threshold, I

1667
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:35,800
Speaker 18: mean it was. There was a cartoon I saw in

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01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:39,599
Speaker 18: a newspaper this morning which suggested that letting rich people

1669
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 18: coming from from America or wherever by very expensive homes

1670
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 18: would would increase homelessness. I thought, I don't really think

1671
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 18: that's very likely. They're not going to be buying houses

1672
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 18: that the average first home buyer is looking for. No,

1673
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 18: they won't even be allowed.

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01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,560
Speaker 3: To Yeah, exactly, well five million god speak, you know,

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01:26:56,640 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 3: here we go. So you've already mentioned, of course we've

1676
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 3: got the summit. It's coming up very shortly, and this

1677
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 3: is setting quite a good scene for the whole thing.

1678
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 3: When you look at all the business settings that we

1679
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 3: are presenting before these international investors. Are we starting to

1680
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 3: look attractive enough?

1681
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 18: I doubt it, But I do think that there are

1682
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 18: a number of things which start to come together, which

1683
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 18: should start to come together, which maybe at the moment

1684
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:29,799
Speaker 18: they are a bit hard to see how they connect

1685
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:32,639
Speaker 18: because they're not the connections not happening. If you've put

1686
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 18: a big list of fast track projects that need funding

1687
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 18: in front of a whole bunch of people with lots

1688
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:40,640
Speaker 18: of money they want a deploy in safe countries to

1689
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 18: do good things and hopefully make some money, then the

1690
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 18: fast track and the infrastructure projects that the government has

1691
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:52,600
Speaker 18: on its own books represent a whole bunch of opportunities

1692
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 18: for investments. So it's now becoming possible to think that

1693
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:58,800
Speaker 18: you could get it. If you think in these terms,

1694
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 18: instead of it taking ages, it will be reasently quick

1695
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 18: to get the thing underway. So yeah, I think to

1696
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 18: some extent, but I think it's the reality is only

1697
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 18: going to set in very slowly.

1698
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 3: But of course it means nothing if we don't actually

1699
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 3: get people with investment capability, you know, and our higher

1700
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 3: class of investment capability to come along. And they've been

1701
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 3: very tight lipped about who's coming to the summit. I

1702
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 3: interviewed Neck Leggett the other day from Infrastructure in New Zealand.

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01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 3: I said, mate, are you invited? And he went, I

1704
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:25,680
Speaker 3: don't know.

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01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:27,760
Speaker 6: Do you know?

1706
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 18: Do you live it? Signed?

1707
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:31,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know exactly. I would have thought he would

1708
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 3: have been number one or certainly high up there from

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01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 3: the New Zealand side. Do you know who's been invited?

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01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 18: I know a few of the people have been invited,

1711
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:43,599
Speaker 18: and I have make educated guesses about others. I mean

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01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 18: New Zealand first is very keen on the on the

1713
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 18: Singaporean Government's Sovereign Wealth Fund Temasek. I would expect them

1714
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:54,720
Speaker 18: to be there. We know that Morrison and Co. Which

1715
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:58,679
Speaker 18: is the company that manages in for till infrastructure Investor,

1716
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 18: will be there and has invited other parties that they

1717
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:10,560
Speaker 18: deal with internationally to be present, some banks, some some

1718
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:13,560
Speaker 18: other uh. I think she's struggling to remember who the

1719
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 18: hell that we know about? Oh, Black Frock. Of course

1720
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:18,920
Speaker 18: we kind of botted the copeople off of it. But

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01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:25,040
Speaker 18: they will send a reasonably senior person, which is which

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01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 18: is which is good? I kind of thought they abandoned us.

1723
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:33,880
Speaker 3: Really, Okay, Patrick, Yes, Black Rock is coming and that's

1724
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,800
Speaker 3: gonna that's going to put some wolves amongst the sheep,

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01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 3: is it not? Anyway, Thank you so much for your time.

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01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:42,759
Speaker 3: Patrick's smile from Business desk. It is seventeen minutes to seven.

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Speaker 3: This is News Talks here being on the way. Kevin

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Speaker 3: Gray from the UK. As we look at europe news.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SMS to the big corporates, the Business Hour

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Speaker 8: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: It's fourteen to seven ninety two. Ninety two is the

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Speaker 3: ticket number of small chat's applied. If you want to

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Speaker 3: say anything about anything that we're talking about here, I

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Speaker 3: like to welcome to the program. Kevin Gray from the UK. Hello, Gvini.

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Speaker 3: There Andrew a Palestinian family. They used to live in

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Speaker 3: Gaza have now been given the right to live in

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Speaker 3: the UK. It was not easy for them to get

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Speaker 3: that right.

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Speaker 12: No, indeed not.

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Speaker 30: And this is because they applied under a scheme for

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Speaker 30: Ukrainian refugees. I'll explain that in a minute. But the

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Speaker 30: ramification of this is now that this could open up

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Speaker 30: the floodgates form many many more from Gaza to say well,

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Speaker 30: if that's the case, then we can come to the

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Speaker 30: UK as well. The government has been contesting this. So anyway,

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Speaker 30: the mother, father, and their four children were aged. The

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Speaker 30: children aged between seven and eighteen, were displaced after their

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Speaker 30: home was destroyed by an airstrike in the Israel Hamas War. Now,

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Speaker 30: they applied to the UK using the Ukraine Family Scheme

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Speaker 30: because they said there was no other way that they

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Speaker 30: could apply for refugee.

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Speaker 12: Status in the UK.

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Speaker 30: So they applied under that Ukrainian scheme to join the

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Speaker 30: father's brother who's lived in the UK for seventeen years

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Speaker 30: and is a British citizen. Their application was refused. The

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Speaker 30: Home Office here said that the requirements of the scheme

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Speaker 30: were not met. The family of six have been granted anonymity.

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Speaker 30: They had an appeal dismissed. However, they then went to

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Speaker 30: another appeal and are the article eight of Yes, you

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Speaker 30: guessed it. The European Convention of Human Rights, which protects

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Speaker 30: the right to family life. The judge there decided they

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Speaker 30: should absolutely be allowed to stay in the UK because

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Speaker 30: their lives were at risk. As I said, now we

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Speaker 30: get the government here saying they are going to contest

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Speaker 30: this and other applications that now come in.

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Speaker 3: Okay, interesting, interesting, But it shows the desperation of the

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Speaker 3: Palestinians that they look at a creative way of actually

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Speaker 3: becoming a fugi.

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Speaker 12: Yep, yep. Absolutely, and their needs and desperate desires too. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Now tell me about the WhatsApp scandal that's coming

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Speaker 3: out of Manchester.

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Speaker 30: Yeah, so this is getting particularly bad for the government.

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Speaker 30: These are all Labor Parties supporters or members or in

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Speaker 30: a couple of cases MPs. The WhatsApp group has shared

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Speaker 30: effectively racist, homophobic, agist comments, particularly unpleasant even about some

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Speaker 30: of those in the Labor Party themselves. One Health minister

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Speaker 30: has been sacked, Another MP was suspended after admitting some

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Speaker 30: badly misjudged comments. The hunter's been on from a right

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Speaker 30: wing newspaper to identify the rest of the WhatsApp group.

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Speaker 12: Sounds easy to do, but it's quite difficult if you're not.

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Speaker 30: A member of it to work out how to get

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Speaker 30: those other numbers and then work out who those numbers

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Speaker 30: belong to. And now all of a sudden, the Labor Party,

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Speaker 30: which is the party of government here in the UK,

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Speaker 30: has suspended eleven of its own counselors in Great to

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Speaker 30: Manchester as part of this investigation. And it looks like

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Speaker 30: that they think they've probably got a lid on it

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Speaker 30: now that this drip drip drip of people coming out

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Speaker 30: as being labor members, labor supporters, labor MPs who are

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Speaker 30: part of this group with these highly offensive messages, Well

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Speaker 30: that's been very damaging for this government.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well yes, and the Labor Patty always prides itself

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Speaker 3: as being at a high morality wise.

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Speaker 10: But who was it?

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Speaker 3: Andrew Guyinn got suspended.

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Speaker 30: Yep, that's right, and he was suspended on Saturdays said

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Speaker 30: his comments were badly misjudged.

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Speaker 12: Just to give you an idea.

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Speaker 30: In some of the messages that have been revealed, one

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Speaker 30: of those in the group said they hope a seventy

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Speaker 30: two year old woman would soon be dead after she

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Speaker 30: wrote to her local counselor about bin collections.

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Speaker 3: Mister Gwinn, by the way, was a health nurs so

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Speaker 3: that's not a good look as well. Now the de

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Speaker 3: industrialization of oil in Europe. Now we've been talking about

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Speaker 3: this because of in the hos who have withdrawn from

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Speaker 3: wanting to fund all backs Jerseys. BP says that they

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Speaker 3: are in trouble.

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Speaker 30: Yeah, and this is all because they said they were

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Speaker 30: focusing a lot more on green energy and they're rowing

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Speaker 30: back on that now, in line incidentally with other some

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Speaker 30: big energy jants. Last week, the Norwegian energy giant Equinor

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Speaker 30: said it would harve its investment in renewable energy over

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Speaker 30: the next two years while increasing oil and gas production.

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Speaker 30: Of course, Donald Trump famously said drill, Baby, drill when.

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Speaker 12: It comes to oil and gas.

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Speaker 30: And now oil giant BP, formerly known as British Petroleum,

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Speaker 30: says it will quote fundamentally reset its strategy with profits

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Speaker 30: dropping sharply last year. Profits fell from fell to fourteen

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Speaker 30: billion from some roughly twenty two billion the previous year,

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Speaker 30: and it said lower oil and gas prices and lower

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Speaker 30: profits from its refineries had dented how how much money

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Speaker 30: it had made.

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Speaker 12: But this is a big change for BP.

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Speaker 30: Because five years ago it's set to target a fifty

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Speaker 30: gigawad of renewables generation capacity by twenty thirty, and we

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Speaker 30: expect that to be abandoned.

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Speaker 12: A major change of strategy to announce at the end.

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Speaker 30: Of this month, with the company set to scale back

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Speaker 30: massively on its renewables. And as I said, it's not

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Speaker 30: the first big company and it won't be the last

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Speaker 30: of it, I think to announce something similar.

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Speaker 3: So to put it in a nutshell, they're making less

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Speaker 3: than they used to make from oil, but they're making

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Speaker 3: even less from their renewables, and so it's a double wemming.

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Speaker 30: Yeah, and they're not going to invest as much in

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Speaker 30: the research and into getting that renewable off the ground

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Speaker 30: as they once were. It had set out a commitment

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Speaker 30: of ten billion US dollars in renewables until twenty thirty,

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Speaker 30: and it's expected that they could well announce they're going

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Speaker 30: to have.

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Speaker 3: That good stuff. Kevin, I thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: your expertise and your information. It is now eight Minister Siven.

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Speaker 3: This is Newstalks ITB.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Too per C Allen Drive Full Show

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Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk ZEBB.

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Speaker 3: News Talk ZP. I think that was fascinating from Gavin Gray,

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Speaker 3: especially when you consider what happened with Ineos and the

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Speaker 3: all back sponsorship over the last little while. The feller

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Speaker 3: from Inios came out today and said, look, there's been

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Speaker 3: d industrialization of the oil and gas industry in Europe

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Speaker 3: and we're just not making as much money as before,

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Speaker 3: and we've got five billion dollars worth of investments in sports.

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Speaker 3: It's time to cut back. So they're saying there's no

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Speaker 3: money in oil anymore. BP saying there's no money in

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Speaker 3: oil anymore. But they've also spent money making renewables, and

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Speaker 3: the renewables are selling, but they're not making the same

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Speaker 3: profit out of the renewables that historically they got out

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Speaker 3: of the traditional power sources, the carbon power sources, and

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Speaker 3: so the new model is not as profitable. And yet

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Speaker 3: at the same time Europe's using more energy but there's

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Speaker 3: not any money in it. Don't you love disruption? Don't

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Speaker 3: you love chain? It never goes quite as anyone expects. Now,

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Speaker 3: Anthony Millissich is our technical director and he's playing the

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Speaker 3: music the Kooks.

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Speaker 25: She moves in her own way to play us out Tonight.

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Speaker 25: They've just announced the Cooks have that they're going to

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Speaker 25: do a tour across North America across from may Or. Yes,

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Speaker 25: it starts in May and it goes into June, and

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Speaker 25: they're going to do sixteen stops. Now you're probably listening

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Speaker 25: there sitting. I don't want to fly all the way

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Speaker 25: to North America just to see the Koks. Well, good

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Speaker 25: news for you. Then you don't have to be you

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Speaker 25: don't even have to wait that long either. They're also

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Speaker 25: going to be playing next Saturday at Electric Avenue Festival

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Speaker 25: in christ Church. Yeah, they'll be on the park stage

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Speaker 25: at five pm on the Saturday.

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Speaker 3: I'm just very glad that they're still around. I love

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Speaker 3: the song when it came out, and then I haven't

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Speaker 3: heard anything from them in decades.

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Speaker 25: And yeah, in North America want to see them so much.

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Speaker 25: They're going to do sixteen shows. There you go, you

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Speaker 25: can go see it.

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Speaker 3: But this is a lovely song, so turn it up.

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Speaker 3: My thanks to Laura the producer, Anthony of course our

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Speaker 3: technical director, and Libby. We're doing set up and I'm

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Speaker 3: Drew Ricken said, yes, I'm back again tomorrow. Rhyme's back

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Speaker 3: on Mondays. You don't well talk about here.

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Speaker 11: They're on Friday, Okay, smoothing.

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Speaker 8: Away, changing my show Monday.

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Speaker 10: Sound the.

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Speaker 8: Service, give them, give us, but dumps the surface.

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Speaker 31: Sounding service, begin us dump service.

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Speaker 8: Oh do the kids?

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Speaker 2: She moves in a wrong way.

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Speaker 8: She chang to show My Day

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