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Speaker 1: Morris Williamson and Allie Jones on the huddle with me. Morris,

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Speaker 1: first of all, I mean, do you have facial hair?

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Speaker 2: No? But I did for many years.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I mean should I ask the same question of you? Alie?

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Speaker 3: I knew you were going to do that.

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Speaker 4: I knew that and booked them for a.

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Speaker 1: Week only because no, Allie, honestly, only.

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Speaker 2: Because I have done that dead.

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Speaker 1: The lights at the gym are really bright, and the

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Speaker 1: other day I was standing there and I thought, oh, lord, girl,

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Speaker 1: you're going to turn into one of those women with

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Speaker 1: the beard.

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Speaker 2: And about me, I know.

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Speaker 3: Well I need to go when I hear my husband

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Speaker 3: starting to go mad, which the noise for a ghost.

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Speaker 4: So it's not a silly question.

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Speaker 3: But no, I don't have face.

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Speaker 1: I'm so pleased to hear it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now, so uncomfortable with this, I'm frightened.

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Speaker 1: Oh we haven't even got started, Morris. And we're still

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Speaker 1: we're still dealing with the face. There's a lot we

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Speaker 1: can go far further south. Now, Andrew Costa quitting? Is

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Speaker 1: this the right outcome? Morris?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's correct that he quit, or as

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Speaker 2: I think Sir Brian Wright said, they were to find.

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Speaker 2: And what I don't get is if you resign from anything,

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Speaker 2: you've taken the ownership on that and decided to do it,

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Speaker 2: which is fine. I think you should just get any

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Speaker 2: leave that's owing to you and paid up until the

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Speaker 2: following Friday or whatever. But to actually choose to resign,

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Speaker 2: as many of these people have in the health system

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Speaker 2: and right across the government sector, they resign from the

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Speaker 2: job therein which means they are choosing to go, and

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Speaker 2: then we give them a big payout. I just don't

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Speaker 2: get it.

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Speaker 1: I don't quite understand it either, Alie, other than the

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Speaker 1: only possible explanation is that they have an extraordinary notice

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Speaker 1: period that they have to work out and then they

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Look, I think Morris is being a little bit disingenuous

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Speaker 3: because he knows from his work life too that people's

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Speaker 3: contracts in a arrangements vary. It is not one size

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Speaker 3: everyone who resigns, you know it, gives a couple of

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Speaker 4: When you negotiate your.

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Speaker 3: Contract, you obviously negotiate it according to who you are,

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Speaker 3: what you've done, are you know your experience and what

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Speaker 3: hole you're going to leave when you go and I

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Speaker 3: think you see that reflected in these high profiles. Let

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Speaker 3: me ask you this sentiment.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, allie. If you if you're

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Speaker 1: Andrew Costa and you resign today, which he's done, and

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Speaker 1: then you have a three month notice period, should we

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Speaker 1: be paying you out for your three month notice period

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Speaker 1: if you're not turning up at the office for the

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Speaker 1: next three months that.

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Speaker 3: If that's what the contract says, I mean that you

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Speaker 3: cannot This all comes down. I'm not an employment lawyer.

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Speaker 3: I've got no idea what's in cost of contract or

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Speaker 3: even what's an employment law. But you can't just go well,

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Speaker 3: I don't think that we should be paying out three months.

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Speaker 3: These people have got contracts, they negotiate their contracts.

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Speaker 4: They all vary. It is what it is.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a show that this money is spent

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Speaker 3: at a time when we could use it at the

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Speaker 3: cold face. But unfortunately that is the contract they have negotiated,

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Speaker 2: I got accused of being disingenuous. I've seen a number

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Speaker 2: of employment contracts in the private sect they're in in

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Speaker 2: the public. I don't know any that says we'll give

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Speaker 2: you a big payout if you choose to quit. I

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Speaker 2: know that if we're going to make you redund if

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Speaker 2: we're going to make you redundant, we should pay you

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Speaker 2: a redundancy. If you're going to be even if it's

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Speaker 2: going to be a constructive dismissal, you'll have a right

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Speaker 2: to take a claim about it. But if you just choose,

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Speaker 2: you can't just go in one day and say you

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Speaker 2: and then say now pay me out.

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Speaker 4: But hold on, t we don't know that that's what happened.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's not what's happening. So what's happening, No,

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Speaker 1: it appears is two different things. So Morris, in many

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Speaker 1: cases like Andrew Costa, he's resigning right clearly a forced resignation,

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Speaker 1: so he's resigning under durest and then he's got three

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's fair.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I guess we need to see the exact

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Speaker 2: wording of the contract. But there's been so many others

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Speaker 2: when I've seen the keep Executive that Health New Zealand

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Speaker 2: the job I want to do, so I'm resigning, and

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Speaker 2: then they get a very large payout, and I just

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Speaker 2: don't agree with that at Allecially.

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Speaker 1: What's going on here. I'm on your side on this, Morris,

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Speaker 1: because what's going on here is they are being forced

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Speaker 1: thing that we apparently do now is we create a

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Speaker 1: restraint of trade claws for somebody like what's his name,

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Speaker 1: Adrian or when there is no competition. So it's all

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just designed to find ways to pay

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Speaker 2: You're saying you can't go to another Reserve Bank of

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Speaker 2: New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: If there is a mutual it'll be Hey, it's a

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Speaker 3: mutual agreement though, right this is the thing. I don't

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Speaker 3: think anyone rocks up and goes I'm going to resign today.

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Speaker 3: I think it's quite clear with the people that have

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Speaker 3: part of that mutual agreement in their contract will be

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Speaker 3: that workout.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: The problem is it's tricky, tricky stuff that's going on,

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Speaker 1: and it's our money.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well I don't disagree with you, but it is

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Speaker 4: what it is. Your contract. Well, it says what it says.

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Speaker 3: They want to go, they want you to go. It's

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Speaker 3: a mutual agreement. Off you go, and it's three months

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Speaker 3: work you pet work here time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll take a break, come back to you go

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Speaker 1: shortly right, you're back with the huddle. Allie Jones and

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Speaker 1: Morris Williamson. Allie, where do you fall on the school

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Speaker 1: lunch drama? Who do you believe here?

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Speaker 4: Oh god, it's so hard, isn't. I've heard your interview before.

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Speaker 3: Let's draw a veil very discreetly.

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Speaker 4: Over there to move on.

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Speaker 3: I know Peggy really well Peggy Burroughs. I've known her

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Speaker 3: she doesn't take any bs, and she knows her stuff.

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Speaker 3: I think she's stayed really calm in the light of

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Speaker 3: and male politicians especially don't like that. Sorry Morris, but

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Speaker 3: what annoys me about this is that Seymour is in

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Speaker 3: I would like to say I'm amazed, or I wish

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Speaker 3: i could say I'm amazed at him making this personal,

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Speaker 3: but I'm not. And I've seen it before with politicians

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Speaker 3: I'm really pleased that Peggy's put up the evidence that

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Speaker 1: Maurris.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I agree. I think it's based on evidence,

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Speaker 2: and I would hope that the food safety people who

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Speaker 2: and then that becomes the narrative. I mean, there is

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Speaker 2: and how many and how many were left and so on.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where the truth lies, and so I

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Speaker 2: can't take a position on it, but I do believe

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Speaker 2: if you want to go into a debate on these things,

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Speaker 2: you better come armed with some fats yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'd say so too. Okay, now do you know, Morris,

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Speaker 1: if your car's regio and warrant is completely up to date?

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Speaker 2: Right? I do. In fact, I've got this natty little

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Speaker 2: app from New Zealand Transport Agency on my cell phone

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Speaker 2: me all the vehicles we've got here. And we've got

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Speaker 2: a whole lot because the kids have got cars and

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Speaker 2: Rayven's got a car, and I've got a diesel that's

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Speaker 2: got to Avro and it tells me the status of

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Speaker 2: them all. I noticed that I'm due for a warrant

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Speaker 2: in three weeks on one of mine and I've still

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Speaker 2: got about five thousand kilometers of ruck left the guard.

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Speaker 2: It's all just sitting on my screen, so.

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Speaker 1: I never alert you, like does it say hey, your

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Speaker 2: Yes it does. It's a free app out of New

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Speaker 2: Zealand Transport Agency. You can register all your vehicles on it,

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Speaker 2: put them all onto the system and then I don't

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Speaker 2: know whether you had to use real me. I had

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Speaker 2: to use real Me to log in, but maybe other ways.

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Speaker 2: It's fantastic because.

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Speaker 1: I've died a little bit inside did you die a

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Speaker 1: little bit?

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Speaker 3: It's amazing. I mean, waters smarty pants, you are for

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Speaker 3: an old man. I mean that's just I'm.

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Speaker 2: Elli.

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Speaker 1: Ologies do we need on this show today?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Look, I don't know. Do we get a free tick

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Speaker 4: after the night's one or something? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: No, I think that's really good and I think I'm

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Speaker 3: going to do that too. So it's it's an mz

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Speaker 3: TA one.

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Speaker 2: Yeh, it's just mz TA app. I think if you

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Speaker 2: go into the app store you'll see it sitting there

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Speaker 2: and you then load your vehicles by a registration plate

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Speaker 2: and it tells you when the warrants jew when the

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Speaker 2: registration's due, and if you've got a diesel vehicle, when

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Speaker 2: your ruck is due.

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Speaker 1: How good is that?

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Speaker 4: Brilliant?

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, mine's coming up. I know my readg is

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Speaker 3: coming up. But that's just because I checked the stick

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Speaker 3: of this morning. I'll have to be a bit more

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Speaker 3: sophisticated next time.

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Speaker 1: Good on you guys. I mean nothing, honestly, once it's digital,

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Speaker 1: you've got it sort of. Other than that, it's it's

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Speaker 1: a problem. Thank you so much, both of you. Morris

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Speaker 1: Williams and Auckland councilor and Alie Jones red PR.

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