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Speaker 1: Canada has a new prime minister. His name is mac

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Speaker 1: Canney and the Liberals love him. He got eighty five

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Speaker 1: percent of the vote and in his acceptance speech he

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Speaker 1: promised to win the trade war. My government will keep

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Speaker 1: our tariffs on until the Americans show us respect. The

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Speaker 1: Canadians are always ready when someone else drops the gloves, so.

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Speaker 2: The Americans they should make no mistake in trade.

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Speaker 1: As in hockey, Canada will win. Writing Talk Washington, bureau

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Speaker 1: chief for The Guardian is David Smith, who joins me now.

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Speaker 2: Hello David, good morning.

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Speaker 1: So first, Matt Canny, who is he? He's never been

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Speaker 1: elected before.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, only a limited political background. He actually

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Speaker 2: started at Harvard University studying economics. He had thirteen years

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Speaker 2: at Goldman Sachs's big financial resume he became Governor of

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Speaker 2: the Bank of Canada and then and for British people

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Speaker 2: like me, we became familiar with him as a governor

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Speaker 2: of the Bank of England and he was dealing with

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Speaker 2: the tumult of Brexit, Britain's departure from the European Union.

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Speaker 2: And then he went on to be a UN Special

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Speaker 2: Envoy for Climate Action and Finance. He worked for an

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Speaker 2: investment firm, and it was just September of last year

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Speaker 2: he became the chair of Canadian Liberal Party's Task Force

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Speaker 2: on Economic Growth and now suddenly he's leader of the

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Speaker 2: Liberal Party and going to the Canadian Prime Minister. So

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Speaker 2: in that sense, it's a meteoric rise after a long

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Speaker 2: career mainly in finance and banking.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but it's a magnificent CV, you have to say.

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Speaker 1: And he's coming with great confidence, you have to say

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Speaker 1: as well, because he went hard for Donald Trump right

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Speaker 1: from the start. So what's the reaction to that being like,

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Speaker 1: you know, it.

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Speaker 2: Was striking the way Carney really laid down the law

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Speaker 2: in terms of for his response to Trump's tariffs and

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Speaker 2: especially this strange motion Trump has been floating of Canada

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Speaker 2: becoming the fifty first state of the US, and Charlie

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Speaker 2: made clear that is absolutely not going to happen. I

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Speaker 2: would say, so far, the reaction in the US has

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Speaker 2: been relatively muted, and perhaps that's the that's the biggest

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Speaker 2: insult of all we can throw at Canada. You've not

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Speaker 2: seen Trump unleashing a barrage of social media posts or

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Speaker 2: you know, not graciously welcoming the new leader and we

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Speaker 2: haven't heard much from senators or representatives either. Obviously this

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Speaker 2: news is being reported in the US media, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's actually not been a great deal of political reactions

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Speaker 2: so far, which which maybe tells you sadly where where

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Speaker 2: Canada US relations are and how it's not seen as

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Speaker 2: a huge priority in Washington.

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Speaker 1: No, But at the same time, this has seems to

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Speaker 1: be the way to actually approached Donald Trump. When he

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Speaker 1: does his bluster, you bluster him by.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And we've got this fascinating role call of world

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Speaker 2: leaders so far, all trying to figure out how do

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Speaker 2: you handle Donald Trump? And just for example, a couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks ago, I was covering the visits of Immanuel

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Speaker 2: Macron of France and Kirs Starmer of Britain, and both

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Speaker 2: of them really used a charrat and stick. They gave

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Speaker 2: Trumper a lot of flattery and people say, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's like giving candy to a child. And then and

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Speaker 2: obviously Kiir Starmer produced a letter inviting Trump for a

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Speaker 2: state visit with King Charles. But then, on the other hand,

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Speaker 2: there were moments when both Macron and Starmer stood up

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Speaker 2: to Trump and corrected him on is shues such as

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Speaker 2: European funding of the war in Ukraine. And then of

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Speaker 2: course we saw a very different approach from President Zelenski

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Speaker 2: of Ukraine challenging Trump and the JD vance the Vice

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Speaker 2: President in the Oval office, and that unraveled and turned

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Speaker 2: off a sour and ended up in a in a

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Speaker 2: shouting match. Then, you know, another example is the president

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Speaker 2: of Mexico has been has been firm with Trump, and

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Speaker 2: that seems to be working for her so far. We

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Speaker 2: also have to see how how Carne plays this and

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Speaker 2: for example, does he push back hard if if Trump

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Speaker 2: tries to call him the governor uh lying that there

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Speaker 2: should be an American province. You know, he may early

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Speaker 2: on want to draw a line there and say, you know, no,

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Speaker 2: do not address me as that.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, David Smith, I thank you so much, the Washington

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Speaker 1: bureau chief for The Guardian.

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