1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: The Friday Sports Tuddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: exceptional marketing for every property. And there it is Michael Wilkinson. 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: Erica Dawson crossed the line. It's another medal. The New 4 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: Zealand's off Mar Saint at Paris twenty twenty four. 5 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: The black boat keeping its nose in front of Germany. 6 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 2: They can see the finish line. 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 3: It is gold for New Zealand. Gold Elease Andrews Intense insightsive, invincible. 8 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 2: Max Brown and Grant Clancy. They have finished last. They 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 2: were so far behind the action. 10 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 3: I lost complete sight of them on. 11 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: The sports tittle. That's this even who got Nicky steyras 12 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: sports journalists and Jim Kaye sports journalists as well. Hell 13 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 2: are you two? 14 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 3: Hello? 15 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: Kay Nikki? Do you reckon? The canoe boys have redeemed 16 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 2: themselves because they actually didn't do too badly in the kayaking. 17 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 4: Look, I'm a fat believer, and you play by the roles, 18 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 4: and they played by the rules. So you know, I 19 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 4: think that if anyone complains about it, then they need 20 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 4: to go back and say to you know, the canoe 21 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 4: organizing body, well, don't allow these loopholes. I think I 22 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 4: think what they did was they did vindicate themselves. I mean, yes, 23 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 4: they got last in the final, but they made an 24 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 4: a final and what they were two seconds off the pace, 25 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 4: So I think they did vindicate themselves. But I can 26 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 4: I can sort of understand why people are a little 27 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 4: bit upset about it, particularly since they obviously targeted that 28 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 4: cape or group and you know, I k one guy 29 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 4: and this is out who potentially could have gone to 30 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 4: the Olympics and done well. So yeah, that's a tricky one. 31 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jim, what do you reckon of that? 32 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 4: Now? 33 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 3: It doesn't sit very well with me. I don't think 34 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 3: it's really TV way if if there's such a thing, 35 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 3: you know, it's up there with Eric the Eel, the Eagle. 36 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 3: I think they I think they embarrassed themselves the exactly. 37 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: Know, Jim, samples that you've cited are people who are 38 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: actually doing crappily at their chosen one. Right. 39 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 3: Actually, okay, look, I don't blame the athlete. I blame 40 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 3: Canoe New Zealand. I think they deliberately exploited the loophole 41 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 3: on the rules to get an extra boat to the Olympics, 42 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 3: and it just doesn't sit very well there he came out. 43 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 3: You know, I'm giving it. I'm right, or you're right. 44 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 3: I'm just giving back. 45 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 2: We're loving your opinion. But then we're laughing at your opinion. 46 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: But that's okay, laugh. 47 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 3: About laugh at my opinion too, because I laughed at yours. 48 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 4: I'll go and live in Australia because that's how the 49 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 4: Australian would that's. 50 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 3: Right und to New Zealand. I don't think that's the 51 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 3: way that we shi sport. 52 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: This is why we need to harden up. I mean, 53 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: we're always talking about how we play fair and stuff 54 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: and we don't sledge and all that kind of nonsense. 55 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: But you've got to do what it takes to win, 56 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: and if that's what it takes, do it. 57 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 3: But those are very different things. I think you're conflating 58 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 3: two things to come up with one. Okay, this is 59 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 3: an organization that a national body who deliberately set out 60 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 3: to exploit a loophole and the rules. 61 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 2: I think you're. 62 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 3: When you're doing whatever, you play as hard as you 63 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 3: can to win, absolutely, But I don't think it's a 64 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 3: good look for a national body to do what they did. 65 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 2: Okay, already, hey, listen Nikky on how we're going to 66 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: perceive these Olympics right. They've had quite a few problems. 67 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: You've got the model metals degrading, you've got the overcrowded village, 68 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: the lack of air conditioning, the food poisoning, making the 69 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 2: people swim and pooh rivers. Are we going to look 70 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 2: back at this and go there was a shambles or 71 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: are they all just a shambles and we forget about 72 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: that over time? 73 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 4: Look, I think they're all the shambles, and I think 74 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 4: you've got to remember you've got, you know, over ten 75 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 4: thousand athletes. They're all crammed in a village, a lot 76 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 4: of them where it's basically a scientific Petrie dish. You 77 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 4: know you're going to catch things, You're going to get 78 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 4: food poisoning, you're putting out sixty thousand meals each day. 79 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 4: What I do have a problem with is won the medals, 80 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 4: because that is your everlasting treasure from something you worked 81 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 4: incredibly hard for. And I think it's not acceptable that 82 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 4: they are deteriorating. And the other thing is the same. Well, 83 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 4: you know it's been illegal to simon that's thing for 84 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 4: over one hundred years, so it was never really a 85 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 4: good look to let them in there. Of course we 86 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 4: know why they did it, because you know, it's all 87 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 4: about optics and you want them, you know, you want 88 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 4: to be showing powers to the world, and that was 89 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 4: the way to do that. Unfortunately they did it at 90 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 4: the peril of the athletes, which I don't really agree with. 91 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 4: But on the whole, I don't think we will look 92 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 4: back at it as the shambles. 93 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: Know the Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Sethby's international realty, 94 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: unparalleled reach and results. 95 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 2: Back with the Huddle, Jim Kays and Nicky Styrus, Right, Jim, 96 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 2: what do you reckon? Are these Olympics particularly as shambles 97 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 2: or just the standard level of shambles. 98 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: That's in standard level. I agree with most of what 99 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 3: Nicky said there, you know, yeah, the river saying it's 100 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 3: disgusting and I wouldn't want to swimm on it and 101 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 3: it looked revolting as they every time they dived in. 102 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 3: But you know, people get sick when there's ten thousand 103 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 3: of them, and people complain about beds. We all complain 104 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 3: about a bed when you go to hotel room in general. 105 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 3: Though I've really enjoyed it, I've you know, watching it 106 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 3: on on Kelly, the smallest board on Sky. It's just 107 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 3: been it's been awesome, I think, and you know, wonderful 108 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,679 Speaker 3: to see the QI athletes and I think a city 109 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 3: like Paris on display like that, you know, when you 110 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 3: have the trifle and they're cycling down the chans of 111 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 3: Lys and you think wow, you know, and through the 112 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 3: entrance and these sorts of things. I think it's fantastic. 113 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 3: I still believe four cities should host the Olympics on 114 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 3: a rotational basis and then we just get on with it, 115 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 3: you know, keep it to just four cities, and then 116 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 3: you don't have all some of the some of these 117 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 3: problems that disappear because they have the infrastructure, that have 118 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 3: the knowledge, they have all those sorts of things. So 119 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: that's what I'd love to see. Imagine if it was 120 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 3: Paris and Athens and pick to other places. Awesome. 121 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 2: I mean, it's not a bad idea, is it, Nikki, 122 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 2: Because then you wouldn't have to relearn all the lessons 123 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 2: every single link in time. 124 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 125 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 4: The only problem with that is the cough to run 126 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 4: it or the amount of money that you actually gained 127 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 4: from it. And you might find that some of the 128 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 4: politics might get involved in that, in that decision and 129 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 4: be like a dot it we want her, you know. 130 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 4: So yeah, that might be a little bit simplistic, but 131 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 4: I do And what a spectacle that would be. 132 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Now, Jim, have you got to the bottom 133 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: yourself of whether this Algerian boxer should be boxing against 134 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: women or not? She's a woman, yeah, but she's got 135 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 2: an apparently. 136 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 3: Well yeah, but so I've done a lot of reading 137 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 3: on it today. She's a woman, she was born at 138 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 3: gil grew up to be a woman. Yes, she's got 139 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 3: some different genetics. But if we look at athletics, and 140 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 3: if you if you look at athletics in a really 141 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 3: simple way, lots of people have different genetics. There are 142 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 3: tall basketballers, there are fast sprinters. 143 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 2: There, and that's true, that's true. 144 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 3: But as a genetic difference. 145 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: Does this in your reading, Jim, have you got to 146 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 2: the bottom of weather an X and a Y chromosome 147 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 2: for a woman therefore makes her intersex? 148 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 3: Look? 149 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 4: Yes? Does it? 150 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: Niki? Does it? Because that's what I thought it was. 151 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 3: Nik? 152 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 2: Is that what's up here? 153 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 3: Well? 154 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 2: I but the iOS can be well, that's two different things. 155 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: IOC can shut up on that. In the mon I 156 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 2: want to hear what Niki. 157 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 4: Is doing, say you know what? Do you know what 158 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 4: I know? I strip it back even further than that, 159 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 4: because basically, it's not about these boxes. What it's about 160 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 4: is the fact that there's not enough facts around it, 161 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 4: and it's not enough transparency, and there's not enough information 162 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 4: and there's not enough clear definitive rule. If that was 163 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 4: all clear and transparent, then you wouldn't be in this mess. 164 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 4: The reason that the problem is is because they don't 165 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 4: have the same test, they don't have the same organization 166 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 4: deciding watch tests. They're not publishing those tests. So therefore, 167 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 4: you know, there's a whole at a great area that 168 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 4: no one knows what's going on. Sorry for the boxes, 169 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 4: because one minute they're told they can't, the next minute 170 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 4: they're in, and then you find out some Russian dude 171 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 4: is in charge of the boxing and that's why they 172 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 4: got eliminated there. And what they need to do is 173 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 4: set out a clear set of rules that's transparent to everybody, 174 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 4: and everything is published so then everybody knows where they stand. 175 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 2: Okay, right, I think we've got to the bottom of it. Maybe, guys, 176 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 2: both of you, thank you so much. Go and enjoy 177 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 2: the All Blacks this weekend. Enjoy the last of the Olympics. 178 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: I really appreciate your time. Nicky Starrus and Jim k 179 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 2: sports journalists. 180 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: For more from Heather Duplassy Allen Drive, listen live to 181 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 1: news talks he'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 182 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.