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Speaker 1: Catherine Fields with us in France. Good morning, Good morning man.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've got a poll there in

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Speaker 1: New Zealand it was forty percent people who think we

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Speaker 1: should recognize Palestine. Broadly speaking, here it's not that big

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Speaker 1: an issue. In Australia it was even lower. Where would

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Speaker 1: you assess it in France? You know, is there a

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Speaker 1: frisson about it?

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Speaker 2: There is? I mean there is really a feeling you get,

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Speaker 2: not just talking to diplomats and think tanks, but feeling

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Speaker 2: that there is so much happening in Gaza that needs

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Speaker 2: to have a reaction to it that is stronger than

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Speaker 2: just the words that are coming out. And also there's

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Speaker 2: this feeling that there needs to be more of a

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Speaker 2: counterweight to the US and Israel when it comes to Palestine.

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Speaker 2: I mean, let's not be under any illusions here, Mike.

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Speaker 2: France realizes that this is not going to change a

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Speaker 2: heck of a lot. It's a very small step. It

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Speaker 2: may eventually become a medium step. It could eventually be

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Speaker 2: part of a pathway to that two state solution. But

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Speaker 2: for the moment, France is saying that it's going to

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Speaker 2: ur it's planning to formally recognize a Palestinian state in

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Speaker 2: the next couple of hours, and it may well help

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Speaker 2: push along, I feel like, create parameters whereby there will

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Speaker 2: be a discussion on some sort of peace plan. Eventually

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Speaker 2: Palestine getting its own government, its own You're having the

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Speaker 2: ability to make its own decisions. That's where they're seeing it.

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Speaker 2: As you know, let's not forget what is it, one

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Speaker 2: hundred and forty five nations at the UN already recognize

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Speaker 2: Palestinian state. So it's really more a way of France

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Speaker 2: saying it wants to stand up, stand with Saudi Arabia

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Speaker 2: and make the statement that something has to be done.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me come back to the other war in

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Speaker 1: just a couple of moments. I'm just reading the the

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Speaker 1: Have you got your trouble sorted out the airport yet

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Speaker 1: or the airports?

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Speaker 2: Ah's still a bit of a backlog on that one.

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Speaker 2: What we do know about that cyber attack, which was

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Speaker 2: what late Friday evening Europe time caused enormous disruption. It was,

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Speaker 2: you know, particularly at targeting the check in and boarding

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Speaker 2: systems used by Colin's Aerospace. In some ways, yes, Mike,

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Speaker 2: you know, there is this annoyance that these major airports,

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Speaker 2: what was it? Heathrow, Brussels and Villain were affected by it.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, there's a lot of relief

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Speaker 2: that it was only those three airports that were affected

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Speaker 2: by this, that the contagion didn't happen looking at it.

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Speaker 2: Colin's Aerospace operates the software systems in about one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty airports worldwide, so you know a lot of

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Speaker 2: patting on the back that perhaps they did move quickly

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Speaker 2: they affected.

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Speaker 1: But the other.

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Speaker 2: Problem is, of course you know what caused it. Was

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Speaker 2: it with single identity that did the cyber attack? Was it,

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Speaker 2: you know, a state actor and or was it something

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Speaker 2: more simple like a compromised update? But the big problem again,

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Speaker 2: you know, we all rely on airports, we all like

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Speaker 2: to get away, and essentially it means that we're seeing

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Speaker 2: the fragility of these types of big critical infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: Ain't that the truth? So in New York Security Council

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Speaker 1: is going to have a meeting about Estoni or Russia,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. NATO's going to have a meeting, so many meetings, Catherine,

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Speaker 1: does anything actually get done.

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Speaker 2: We're now at that moment where we've had what three

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Speaker 2: incursions in two weeks into NATO territory. Yeah, big meeting

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Speaker 2: at NATO Tuesday, that's been called by Estonia, which, of course,

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Speaker 2: last Friday morning three mid thirty one Russian fighter jets

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Speaker 2: entered into their airspace, stayed there for about twelve minutes.

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Speaker 2: Not long after that, there were two Russian fighter jets

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Speaker 2: over Polish economic zone in the ball Tech all. You know,

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Speaker 2: everyone's realizing that this is probing NATO's resolve. We've had

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Speaker 2: a lot of statements in the last couple of hours, Mike,

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Speaker 2: from the Polls and also from the Brits saying this

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Speaker 2: has got to stop. There will come a point of

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Speaker 2: which there will be a response. That response is what's

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Speaker 2: on everyone's minds. What response would there be? We saw

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Speaker 2: last week Italian F thirty five jets going up to

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Speaker 2: escort those Russian fighter jets out of Estonian airspace. What

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Speaker 2: more would there be? That's the way everyone's holding their breath.

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Speaker 1: Brack, Yeah, nice to talk to him for catch ups.

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Speaker 1: So catsine Field and France, by the way, Europe split

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Speaker 1: as regards the UN and what we're standing by with

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Speaker 1: so much excitement from Winston on Saturday morning, how much

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Speaker 1: of your Saturday morning are you canceling by the way,

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Speaker 1: just this coming weekend? Do you want to take in

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Speaker 1: Winston Peter's live? Do you want to have a replay

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Speaker 1: once he's given a speech? Would you not go to

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Speaker 1: school sport or weekend sport if you normally go to

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Speaker 1: the supermarket on set? Are going to delay that so

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Speaker 1: you can hear Winston's I think we definitely watch it

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Speaker 1: live recorded, so you can just put it on repeat

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Speaker 1: for the weekend. Yeah, because of your short on sport,

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Speaker 1: surely that covers you off. I mean, it'd be a

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Speaker 1: sort of a moon landing kind of a moment, won't

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Speaker 1: it be? Pretty close? Has been blamed for stalling the

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Speaker 1: formal pledge on the climate and so, in other words,

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Speaker 1: Italy and Poland they don't want deeper cuts, so they

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Speaker 1: haven't got any cuts. They were sort of talking about

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Speaker 1: sixty six point twenty five percent between that and seventy

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Speaker 1: two point five percent, which is dangerously close to where

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Speaker 1: Australia landed the other day. In other words, they don't know,

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Speaker 1: and so none of it's going to come to pass.

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Speaker 1: And the whole thing's just a lot of hot air

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Speaker 1: and a lot of meetings and nothing changes for more.

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