1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: This jonaman Being podcast brought to you by Hello Fresh. 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: The experts and Tastes that Kiwi's Law. Emotional scenes are 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: the Warriors on Friday night to the last home game 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: for Shawn Johnson, very very teary. 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 2: It was when he walked out with his wonderful wife 6 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: Kayla and their children and started tearing up. I imagine 7 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 2: that would have been a big wave of emotion for him. 8 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: Totally stupid comment, John, Obviously it was, but and it's 9 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: hard to probably regather yourself from that moment then start 10 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: tackling mofos. 11 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, play a rugby league game, but yeah, really really sad. 12 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 3: It was a great scend off. You're right, Tam. 13 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: Meghan, Now someone's slid in to Meghan's TMS again worth 14 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: a very well juicy dilemma. 15 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 4: I guess in some ways they're like insensitive, which they 16 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 4: address it sears. Hey, John, have Ben and Meghan. This 17 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 4: is a sensitive topic and involves my best friend. Long 18 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 4: story short, my friend and our ex husband were trying 19 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,319 Speaker 4: to have a baby and they froze embryos during their 20 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 4: time together. They broke up and therefore didn't use them. 21 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 4: Fast forward and my friend ended up using one of 22 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 4: the embryos herself with the permission from her ex. As 23 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 4: long as she agreed, she raised the child herself. He 24 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 4: didn't want to be involved, But now the child is 25 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 4: too and she is asking for child support. I'm support 26 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,199 Speaker 4: of her that he was very clear that he would 27 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 4: give her the gift of a child, but didn't want 28 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 4: to be involved. That included giving the child support. She 29 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 4: keeps asking me for my opinion and what she should do. 30 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 4: But I can't help but feel like she trapped him 31 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 4: a wee bit and it isn't really fair. But then again, 32 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 4: he is the father. Should he pay? Am I a 33 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 4: bad friend for feeling like this? 34 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: My first instinct is they had an arrangement. He has 35 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 2: no obligation to pay. But then I've watched a lot 36 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 2: of judges duty over my years. She would say, take 37 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: the emotion out of it. 38 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 3: What was the deal? 39 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: Was it written down? 40 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 4: Was it written? 41 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 2: Was it contractual? Because then but if it was just 42 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: he said, she said, then arguably the eyes of the 43 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 2: law's he's got an obligation. 44 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, it does feel like exactly what you said. 45 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: I don't need to repeat exactly. 46 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 3: You're on my team. I am, actually Yeah, like that 47 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 3: does feel like it was the agreement. 48 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 4: But did they did they get a contract, an actual 49 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 4: agreement drawn up? 50 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: Well, that hasn't been mentioned, which would need you to 51 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 2: believe no, But is the. 52 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 4: Verbal agreement enough in the eyes of the law in 53 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 4: this situation? 54 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 3: Does he have some sort of obligation? You know, and 55 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 3: someone will not well. 56 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 2: You would as even a bit yeah, because are you first, four, ten, 57 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 2: fifteen years in this situation and the child's growing up? 58 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: What do you do then, because this person might still 59 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: be in and around, Yeah, the house, and do you 60 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 2: like it gets messy? It does get very messy. But 61 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: the question we're asking is is he obligated to pay 62 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 2: child support off the back of this arrangement? 63 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 3: I'd love to know what he has his thoughts changed 64 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 3: towards it. 65 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: You know, has he met the child, does he feel 66 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: like maybe yeah, part of their life move. 67 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 4: On from the friend obviously, Well, it sounds like they're 68 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 4: not at all in any kind of relationship. 69 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: It reminds me of when I'm walking through Westfield More 70 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: and they're like, hey, sir, would you like to sign 71 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 2: up direct debit to save the starving chinchillas of Bolivia? 72 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, okay, I'll help them, and then I 73 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: canceled the direct debbit a couple of months later. But 74 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: then they come knocking three years later and they're like 75 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 2: that chinchilla you helped save starving to death now wants 76 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 2: a house pay. 77 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 3: Up just like that, right, questioning that example, No part 78 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 3: of me. 79 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: You got lost your example lot doing that example. 80 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 3: When you started. Okay, so what okay, what do we 81 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 3: want to know here, Meghan? 82 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 4: What will the friend wants to know? Is she a 83 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 4: bad friend? 84 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 3: Fulfilling like that? 85 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 4: Should the father technically should he be paying? I guess 86 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 4: what is the legalities around that too? 87 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 3: If you lawyer, and. 88 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 2: So your friend probably wants to know she should say 89 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: something to her mate and so how you should back 90 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 2: asking for child support page. 91 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 3: The hits that johnaan Ben podcast. 92 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: We're in the middle of today's dem Megan, which has 93 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: got to do with the child support and an agreement. 94 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: We don't know how rock solid the agreement was, but 95 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: just a recap, Megan. 96 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 4: So this is a friend messaging in about her friend 97 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 4: and ex husband. They were trying to have a baby, 98 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 4: their froze embryos, which they didn't use when they were 99 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 4: in a relationship. Fast forward, she asked if she could 100 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 4: use the embryo to have the baby herself. The verbal agreement, 101 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 4: as far as we know, was that he didn't want 102 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 4: to be involved. 103 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 3: Now that the. 104 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 4: Baby's too, the child's too, she is asking for child support, 105 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 4: but he said he didn't want to do anything. I 106 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 4: didn't want to be involved in any way. 107 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 2: And it's in his position I would be like again, 108 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 2: fast forward fifteen years and the kids growing up, and 109 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 2: he's joined a gang like the Tea Birds from Greece 110 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 2: or something, and he's like, you know, my best friend 111 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: wouldn't be Danny Zuker if you just paid child support. 112 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 3: You know that would linger over me. Yeah, the guilt 113 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 3: of well you want to do? You want to help 114 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 3: out this kid? Eternal instinct you exactly. Yeah, That's why 115 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 3: I really love to know if he wants to be 116 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 3: more involved or not. What's the text machine saying there? 117 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 4: Flooded He didn't actually have the physical situation to conceive 118 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 4: the child. She did that knowing he didn't want to 119 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 4: be with her or support her. 120 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 3: No way. 121 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 4: Should he have to pay child support? Someone said, surely 122 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,119 Speaker 4: he had to sign off on it. Well, it sounds 123 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,799 Speaker 4: like he did. And if they didn't have a contract 124 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 4: after that, then basically. 125 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 3: He's agreed to do it. 126 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,239 Speaker 4: This is someone that said, quoting a lawyer, a verbal 127 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 4: agreement is passable in a court of law, and this 128 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 4: would be sufficient to swing in the favor of the 129 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 4: father not having to pay child right. 130 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: Well, but the question this morning, I guess is, does 131 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: this lady confront her friend and say, hey, back off 132 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 2: the child support demand's car? 133 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 4: You're on? 134 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 3: How are you? 135 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 5: I'm good Now, my blood's not boiling so much? 136 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 3: Were your blood? Your blood's boiling from? 137 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 4: Who are you defending? 138 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 5: I'm defending him? I heard a friendship. That friendship, Hell, 139 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 5: one hundred percent. It's not right. 140 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 4: It's to me. 141 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 5: I feel like this woman has gotten older and she's 142 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 5: going kind of getting at the end of her kind 143 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 5: of being able to have kids situation, possibly in the embryo. There. 144 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 5: He's done her a solid, you know, he's been a 145 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 5: good guy and said, yeah, okay, that's cool him and 146 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 5: heard the reasons, you know, were his his demands or 147 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 5: whatever you want to call them, and then she's just 148 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 5: got totally against that. 149 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:26,559 Speaker 3: Yep. 150 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 2: True, he was pretty clear by the sounds, but pretty 151 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 2: clear with his. 152 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 3: Communication agreement there. 153 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like if I is an example walking through 154 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 2: Westfield and they're demanding money for chinchillas. 155 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 3: And Bolivia your blood boil. 156 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 2: John, thanks for the chinchilla example. 157 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 3: That really cleared things up for me. 158 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 4: Martin. 159 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, good. 160 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: Do you think the friends should confront her mate and say, hey, 161 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 2: child support payments? No? 162 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 6: No, no, definitely, I mean I do want to text 163 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 6: it and it said, you know, you think they both 164 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 6: would have had to sign off on the ivy en 165 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 6: ye And in my eyes, surely. 166 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 5: You'd get something written down to say that it's. 167 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 6: Not technically it's not going to be my. 168 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 5: Child kind of thing. 169 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 6: But yeah, turn around and say pull. 170 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 2: Your ahead and it's yeah, you. 171 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 6: Know, it's un here on him if he didn't want 172 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 6: to him any more kids or if he's in another 173 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 6: marriage with kids. 174 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, well he did a favor and it's come back 175 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 2: to bite. 176 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 4: And do you know what, probably ninety percent of people 177 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 4: on the text machine are agreeing. 178 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 3: So resolution, that's what we're going to say. 179 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 4: But someone said, as his name on the birth certificate, 180 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 4: if it is, he probably has to. 181 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: Pay Childs's that johnaan Ben podcast. 182 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 2: Andra, We are tracked down The team tracked down a 183 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 2: reproductive lawyer. 184 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 4: Someone who specializes in this kind of situation. 185 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 2: Xandra joins us on the phone. Good morning to you, 186 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 2: Good morning King Lovely. Now, just to clarify, we're not 187 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: paying per hour for this house. 188 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 6: No, no, no, absolutely not. 189 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 2: All right, okay, because it will come on Ben's credit card. 190 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: He's got sixty three million views on the internet at 191 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 2: the moment, any money, all of you. Xandra, Now you've 192 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 2: heard the scenario legally, we're just you know, quite interested 193 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: to know from a legal standpoint, where does everyone sit. 194 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 6: Well, look, absolutely, and whom's not the ex husband who 195 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 6: I think is one of your listen has just said 196 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 6: did her favor? You know, he is exposed. He's exposed 197 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 6: for to pay chart support in terms of he's consented 198 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 6: to her using the embryo and I assume is on 199 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 6: the birth partificate, which then of course makes him a 200 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 6: father and a guardian. In saying that, though there would 201 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 6: be grounds to argue that with IDA and apply for 202 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 6: what's called and it's been reviewed. But yeah, I mean, 203 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 6: I'm not going to sound like annoyed it here, but 204 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 6: it's exactly what I am. It's so important to get 205 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 6: these to get something documented and get an agreement and 206 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 6: get the independent advice before so that everybody knows, get it. 207 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: In writing, and get it and write, because what's the 208 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: thing a vo agreement? I guess it is kind of 209 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: like he said, she says, or whatever the situation is. 210 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, absolutely, but also to just get that two 211 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 6: lawyers each, get your own lawyer, get independent legal advice, 212 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 6: get it documented in an agreement. It doesn't cost a lot. 213 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 6: We do these quite regularly with beef. They call donor agreements, 214 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 6: and everybody knows where they stand that. You know, you're 215 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 6: not going to be a parent who's got the responsibility 216 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 6: day to day. You're not going to go on the 217 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 6: birth certificate. You're not going to apply at a later 218 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 6: stage to be a guidian. But you know important for 219 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 6: the guy in this scenario not going to be responsible financially. 220 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 4: So I've heard from the friend and we know that 221 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 4: there was no official contract, so it was a verbal agreement. 222 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 4: But she's not sure if he is on the birth certificate, 223 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 4: say he's not, but they only have a verbal agreement. 224 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 4: Where would they stand with child support in that scenario? 225 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, that it would be really difficult for her to 226 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 6: get child support in that scenario and so that's key. 227 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 6: That's the key. But is he unburstificate or not. If 228 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 6: he's not, then that's going to make it very difficult. 229 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: Well, Xandra, if anyone finds their life falling apart, how 230 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 2: do we get. 231 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 6: Hold of you? Just just google my name, you know, 232 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 6: just look me up. It's quite unique. 233 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 3: Great now, I've never heard the name Xandrew. 234 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 2: It's a wonderful name. 235 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 4: Thank you. 236 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, it is good. 237 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 4: It is good. 238 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 3: Good name, good name. 239 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 2: You love the name being. 240 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: It's like you had a personalized plate and said I 241 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: couldn't get Sandra, so I just get the Z version. 242 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 3: It was good. I like it.