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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spence to find the real story story.

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Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge on Heather duperic Ellen Drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand let's get connected and news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be good.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon seven after four Trumps social media post that's got

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Speaker 3: our agricultural exporters quite worried. This afternoon, the US has

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Speaker 3: canceled military aid to Ukraine. Will speak to a soldier

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Speaker 3: who's actually fought on the front line there. Traffic costing

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Speaker 3: Auckland is two billion dollars a year. And David Seymour

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Speaker 3: on his missed meeting with Erica Stanford all ahead, Bryan Bridge.

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Speaker 3: It's become clear anyone watching with even casual interest the

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Speaker 3: coverage of the free school lunch program over the past

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Speaker 3: few months that it's time to defund it. As we

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Speaker 3: have pointed out on this program many times this year,

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Speaker 3: there are some legitimate issues with delivery times and in

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Speaker 3: some cases meals not turning up at all. And those issues,

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Speaker 3: including ones I saw just in the last couple of

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Speaker 3: told are being dealt with, and so they should. But

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Speaker 3: the biggest debarkle over the last few months is the

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Speaker 3: quality of the food. We've had complaints about butter chicken

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Speaker 3: being served multiple days in a row, pitipit being served

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Speaker 3: multiple days in a row, some parents sounding off on

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Speaker 3: All of this proves one thing. These kids clearly aren't

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Speaker 3: really starving. This program was set up under the previous

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Speaker 3: government on the basis that some kids were so starving,

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Speaker 3: so hungry, that they couldn't learn. The argument was their

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Speaker 3: academic success hinged on a full belly, so let's feed them.

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Speaker 3: Jasinda A Dune's press release from twenty nineteen announcing the

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Speaker 3: trial said quote, you simply can't learn on an empty stomach.

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Speaker 3: Now does a childhood turns their nose up at butter

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Speaker 3: checken or pitipits sound really hungry to you? If you hungry,

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Speaker 3: don't you eat free food. The reason adults is especially

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Speaker 3: must be to simply stop providing it universally to all students.

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Speaker 3: There must, of course be an option for kids who

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Speaker 3: think we can all agree on that no one wants

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Speaker 3: students within targeted schools is clearly not working. Remember this

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Speaker 3: money originally came half a billion dollars from the COVID

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Speaker 3: limited funding, and Nikola Willis told me on the show

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Speaker 3: end of this funding about its future. That future should

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Speaker 3: include cutting the program back to basics, so only kids

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Speaker 3: Rich time is ten up to four nine two is

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Speaker 3: the number to text. Three hundred million dollars. That's how

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Speaker 3: much the government's set aside for the cook straight fairy

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Speaker 3: break fee. Yonda will get the money if we exit

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Speaker 3: the contract. They will get the money, regardless of weather

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Speaker 3: they win the bid to build the new ships. Carl

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Speaker 3: Finlay is the Maritime Union National secretary. He's with me. Now, Hi, Carl,

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Speaker 3: there youre doing SEEZ that's a lot of money.

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Speaker 4: That's a lot of money, mate, and it's terrible.

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Speaker 3: What if they can do it? I mean, Winston's been

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Speaker 3: What if we can get the overall cost much lower

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Speaker 4: Well, I'd say they're definitely be the goal and have

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Speaker 4: They definitely have to be rather noble and that would work.

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Speaker 3: What are some of the costs that we're not hearing about.

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Speaker 3: You know, we're hearing about the three hundred million dollar

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Speaker 4: Well we have heard about them. I mean it was

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Speaker 4: all it's all there in black and white made. It's

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Speaker 3: Sorry, Yeah, how are you feeling? I mean, are you

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Speaker 4: Absolutely made, There's there's has to be done. It's got

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Speaker 4: So I'm very I'm very pleased that he's actually in

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Speaker 3: Union National Secretary. On the three hundred million dollars, I

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Speaker 3: business worth? The United States canceling military aid to Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: The question then becomes, or how reliant is Ukraine actually

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dubissil and Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 3: Full sixteen News Talk ZB. So Donald Trump has canceled

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Speaker 3: all military aid going to Ukraine. Just to give you

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Speaker 3: an idea that represents about more than two hundred billion

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Speaker 3: So it's massive. What and how much the US contributes?

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Speaker 3: has done just that. He is a former US Navy

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Speaker 3: on the show after five right now, it's sixteen after four, Ryan,

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Speaker 3: USA watergrows here. Hey Darcy, Hi Ryan, good to see you. Now,

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Speaker 3: what's going on with Blues Hoskins two two? He's copped?

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Speaker 3: Is it a two or three week band or we're

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Speaker 6: Well, it starts off at six and then they just

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Speaker 6: And in this case it's true because a bitter like

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Speaker 6: I, I kind of adjusted where it was running, so he

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Speaker 7: To his head.

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Speaker 5: Get that.

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Speaker 6: And then they go, you know what if you go

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Speaker 6: like professional legs don't know what they're doing. Right, Well,

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Speaker 3: Who runs tackling school?

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Speaker 6: to me. The athletes know, we don't want to know.

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Speaker 3: Don't talas pass rate for tackle school one hundred percent

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Speaker 6: Just another reasons like don't you should do it? He learn,

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Speaker 6: tweeted being attacked for no reason. Well no, you kind

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Speaker 6: Maybe I know that people out there would say, who

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Speaker 6: if if that was well, it doesn't matter. Does it

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Speaker 6: suppose the ancient figures you look at BMI and if

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Speaker 6: shot put it, you'd say he's obese. You know that's wrong.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't actually matter in so many levels. So is

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Speaker 6: it still a thing?

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Speaker 3: Looking at yours.

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Speaker 3: News at four thirty Bryan Bridge. So, Donald Trump has

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Speaker 11: Under President Bush, they got Georgia, right, Prussia go Georgia.

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Speaker 3: It'd be no.

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Speaker 9: Put a bottle myself.

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news Talks' drive.

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Speaker 3: So Trump has hit pause on all weapons assistance to Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: Cycling Alfred is expected to turn west today and start

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Speaker 3: Murray Olds is our Australia correspondent, Murray. Cyclone Alfred heading

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good afternoon. Is the first tropical cyclone to hit

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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, you've got your Defense minister giving an update on

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Speaker 3: These tariffs that Trump's announced today had a bit of

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Speaker 2: The Australian market followed Wall Street down, the ASX down.

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Speaker 2: That one percent is out of the opening last four

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Speaker 3: Nice on, Murray, thank you for that. We'll look forward

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Speaker 3: Twenty five percent would be a major major issue for

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Speaker 3: New Zealand. Eighteen minutes away from five.

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Speaker 3: Just gone sixteen away from five News talks'b. So there

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Speaker 3: is some sort of issue between David Seyma and Erica.

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Speaker 3: Stand for David seymoa on the program to start for

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Speaker 3: the five point thirty news tonight right now Jason Will's

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Speaker 3: News Talk CB political editor Jason Good afternoon, Oh, good afternoon, Rain.

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Speaker 3: So what is going on here between these two?

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Speaker 15: Well, listen, there was spouse to be a meeting and

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Speaker 15: we got this out of ericas Stamford this morning.

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Speaker 8: I've asked David Semol for a meeting this morning to

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Speaker 8: go through some of the issues on the school lunch

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Speaker 8: program to make sure that they are being cleared up.

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Speaker 15: So which issue, take your pick. There's quite a few.

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Speaker 15: So obviously the prime ministers are already talked to David

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Speaker 15: Seymour about this. Now she is the Education Minister, he's

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Speaker 15: the Associate Education Minister, so essentially he has the front

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Speaker 15: up to her. So it's pretty cut and dry. So

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Speaker 15: where was Seymour? He did not show. Here's what she

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Speaker 15: had Erica had to say about that.

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Speaker 8: I was, I was in my office just after a

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Speaker 8: living very for the meeting.

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Speaker 15: You were there and he didn't show us.

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Speaker 8: Well, as I say, minister's diaries change all of the time,

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Speaker 8: meetings shift. But we're rescheduled for tomorrow.

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Speaker 15: So she's very much playing it down, saying that they're

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Speaker 15: going to meet tomorrow. So what does David Seymour have

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Speaker 15: to say.

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Speaker 16: Well, the meetings was organized on the basis that we

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Speaker 16: both had to go to caucus. Caucus, you can't really

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Speaker 16: control the timing. If it goes over, we couldn't meet, sir,

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Speaker 16: and that's what happened, you.

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Speaker 15: Know, which could be fair enough. But it was Erica

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Speaker 15: Stamford that was the one this morning actually told us

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Speaker 15: that this was happening and if these meetings happen all

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Speaker 15: the time. They don't technically tell us. They'll give a

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Speaker 15: blow by blow of every meeting that happens around this place.

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Speaker 15: So she was clearly trying to make a point. And

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Speaker 15: I know you can't really hear it from that clip,

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Speaker 15: but she will be quite frustrated. I think a lot

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Speaker 15: of Nats are quite frustrated at the fact that this

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Speaker 15: is reflecting quite bad on the government. Now there's one

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Speaker 15: interesting element to this, and that's the Prime Minister. Well,

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Speaker 15: there's many interesting elements, but the Prime Minister, and I'll

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Speaker 15: tell you what. His tone on this issue has shifted

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Speaker 15: quite a lot since he got back from Vietnam last week.

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Speaker 15: Last week. Listen to him on Hosking this morning.

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Speaker 3: But look, here's the deal.

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Speaker 17: I mean, if you don't like the lunches, actually just

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Speaker 17: go make a mum might sandwich and put an apple

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Speaker 17: on the bag.

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Speaker 15: Now, here's what he said to reporters going into the

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Speaker 15: caucus meeting this morning.

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Speaker 17: A loaf of bread, ajar and marmie an apple asn't

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Speaker 17: rocket science. Actually, parents should take responsibility for providing your

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Speaker 17: lunches in the first.

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Speaker 3: In six decades.

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Speaker 15: And here's what he told the House.

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Speaker 17: I do agree with the minister that there is actually

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Speaker 17: some some parental responsibility, some parental responsibility.

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Speaker 15: So you can hear now that he's really moving into

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Speaker 15: it's the parents' responsibility to bring their if they no. Essentially,

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Speaker 15: if the kids don't like the lunches, it's the parent's

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Speaker 15: responsibility to front up with the lunches for the kids

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Speaker 15: at school. So I would expect to hear more of

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Speaker 15: that as these issues continue to be quite prevalent.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they obviously have workshopped this, because Nikola Willis was

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Speaker 3: on the show last night saying she didn't say marmche,

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Speaker 3: she said vegimite. The parents should be getting vegimied out

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Speaker 3: into the kid's lunches and make them yourselves. So it's

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Speaker 3: obviously something they've workshopped, a line that they're using, and

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Speaker 3: perhaps they've had polling on it, which might I.

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Speaker 15: Would be surprised if there were. I mean, this is

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Speaker 15: really really hurting them.

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Speaker 3: Do you think it's hurting them? Do you think it's

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Speaker 3: really hurting them or do you think most people are going?

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Speaker 3: For God's sakes, this is a storm and a tea cup.

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Speaker 15: You know, well, I think there could be most, But

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Speaker 15: what it is is it's a distraction. It means that

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Speaker 15: the government isn't able to get the message that they

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Speaker 15: want about other things out there because this continues to

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Speaker 15: plague them. There's only so much space in people's minds

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Speaker 15: for political stories. And when you have a news story

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Speaker 15: like this that involves food, involves the politicians that you

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Speaker 15: know about, it involves somewhat are they I'm not to

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Speaker 15: say scandal, but it involves somewhat of a shortcoming that's

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Speaker 15: tends to be what people can remember. So it does

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Speaker 15: distract from the government's narrative that they want to put

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Speaker 15: out about other things.

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Speaker 3: Now, the Treasuries come out and said today that they've

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Speaker 3: set aside three hundred million dollars for a potential break

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Speaker 3: fee for the Fairy Deal cancellation. But that doesn't mean

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Speaker 3: that's what we will pay, right, let's just set aside

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Speaker 3: at the stage.

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Speaker 15: Indeed, So it's basically it's a contingent. And what we

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Speaker 15: learned this morning is that, you know, it's been hard

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Speaker 15: to get information out of this. So we had this

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Speaker 15: document dump about all this information about the ferries, including

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Speaker 15: the fact that they'd set asut three hundred million. So

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Speaker 15: just as a bye the bye that includes extra infrastructure contracts,

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Speaker 15: completing some near finished items like mechanical depots and picked

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Speaker 15: in and the yet to be finished contract with Hyundai.

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Speaker 15: So it's not just the ships, it's everything that goes

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Speaker 15: around it as well. So the ships are just one

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Speaker 15: part of that component. But what we did learn today

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Speaker 15: is Winston or we did not last week. Winston was

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Speaker 15: meeting with the South Koreans in Hyundai last week, so

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Speaker 15: he was asked about that in the house today. Winston

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Speaker 15: Peter by tonguy utther Keddy. Have a listen to what

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Speaker 15: he said.

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Speaker 18: How confident is he that he and I will put

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Speaker 18: in another contract bid for the new cook straight theories

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Speaker 18: when they are currently negotiating out of an existing contract

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Speaker 18: with his government.

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Speaker 19: I've got some good news for the member. The head

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Speaker 19: see y Park was delighted to meet us with his team.

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Speaker 19: We had a very very amiable and profitable discussion, and

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Speaker 19: we were delighted to learn of their renewed interest in

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Speaker 19: this tendering process.

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Speaker 15: So renewed interest, profitable discussion. It really sounds like yondaya

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Speaker 15: back at the table, which is interesting because it raises questions,

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Speaker 15: you know, do we still have to pay the brake

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Speaker 15: fee if we go back to the company that we

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Speaker 15: were negotiating with in the first place.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be the idea, wouldn't it that we

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Speaker 3: would Winston would be Wiley, Winston would do some kind

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Speaker 3: of deal in which we reduce the brake fee, we

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Speaker 3: get too smaller theories, we use the two spots they

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Speaker 3: were originally going to have for the old theories, so

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Speaker 3: we don't waste any time. And everyone's but that's a

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Speaker 3: lot of things to a lot of ducks to get

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Speaker 3: in a row, isn't it. Jason, Thank you for that.

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Speaker 3: Jason Walls, who's News Talks thereb's political editor ten to

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Speaker 3: five here on a News Talks the B. When we

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Speaker 3: come back, a really interesting report out of Australia comparing

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Speaker 3: the Reserve Bank of Australia's approach to dealing with inflation

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Speaker 3: versus ours. I'll tell you about that coming up on

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Speaker 3: the program. We're also going to talk the I REX

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Speaker 3: fee with Winston Peters after five point thirty, and this

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Speaker 3: new report that looks at obesity around the world, not

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Speaker 3: just here in New Zealand, but how fat we're getting

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Speaker 3: and just how fat will be by twenty fifty.

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Speaker 1: Putting the time questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 20: Bronis is back in the country and as with us,

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Speaker 20: you make a very good point. You've put seventeen billion

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Speaker 20: billion into this, two thousand extra nurses and per heab.

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Speaker 17: You're going backwards. What's the problem. It's an insanely complex organization.

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Speaker 17: There's this narrative out there that we're cutting healthcare service.

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Speaker 20: It's absolute total rubbish. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 20: we all want good health. But there's got to be

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Speaker 20: a limit. I think you're right, thirty billion dollars in total.

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Speaker 20: I mean, how much is it can't be a bottomless.

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Speaker 3: Pit, no.

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Speaker 17: But what I'm trying to say with those things was

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Speaker 17: to get people to understand there is enough money. There

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Speaker 17: is actually progress on the workforce firm that's pretty impressive,

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Speaker 17: and actually the issue is a system that's actually grossly

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Speaker 17: bureaucratic and highly inefficient.

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Speaker 20: Back tomorrow at six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 20: the Rain drove the laugh News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Just gone seven to five here on News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: This is a text from Bill which I wanted to

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Speaker 3: read to you. It's about school lunches and I just

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Speaker 3: said earlier in the program that I think if you

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Speaker 3: are complaining about having but a check in multiple days

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Speaker 3: in a row, you're probably not starving. And I just

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Speaker 3: make the point the program when it was started was

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Speaker 3: for children. They were so starving they couldn't learn. Children

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Speaker 3: were so hungry they couldn't learn in school, And we

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Speaker 3: all went, that's terrible, let's do something about it. So

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Speaker 3: what have we done. We have spent hundreds of millions

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Speaker 3: of dollars. In one case there was an advance from

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Speaker 3: the COVID Fund to the chin of half a billion dollars.

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Speaker 3: Imagine what they to do in healthcare to universally fund

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Speaker 3: targeted schools so low deciles schools, every student in that

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Speaker 3: school will get it, and not every student will need

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Speaker 3: that meal. And in high decile schools there'll be poor

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Speaker 3: kids who don't get it either. So is this the

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Speaker 3: best way of going about it? Or should you target

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Speaker 3: the funding so that only those kids who really need

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Speaker 3: it get it? Bill says Ryan, the parents and the

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Speaker 3: kids that are moaning about the food, along with yourself

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Speaker 3: are obviously the ones who don't need it. The poor

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Speaker 3: kids and the parents who do need it appreciate it,

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Speaker 3: but are not as literate or as vocal, says Bill

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Speaker 3: as you lot, and they are shy, and they are embarrassed.

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Speaker 3: You just said you think we should defund this food

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Speaker 3: in Schools program. You should be ashamed because you're encouraging

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Speaker 3: starvation of kids. Bill. I don't want hungry kids to

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Speaker 3: go hungry. No one does. But the fact is there

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Speaker 3: are kids who aren't hungry getting free meals. It's fair

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Speaker 3: to ask whether that is a good use of taxpayer money,

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Speaker 3: money that we could definitely be spending. And a whole

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Speaker 3: bunch of other places. Five to five newstalks have been

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Speaker 3: Ryan Bridge. Meanwhile, we're all getting hugely obese. This is

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Speaker 3: the irony of the whole thing. This is a report

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Speaker 3: out today. In the lance set, half of adults and

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Speaker 3: a third of children and young people worldwide will be

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Speaker 3: overweight or obese by twenty fifty. Half one and two adults.

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Speaker 3: So you think about you're married, you know your husband

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Speaker 3: and wife, one of them will be massive basically by

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Speaker 3: twenty fifty. That's what this report is saying. It's forecasts

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Speaker 3: in the lance set. Now here's the interesting thing. In

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety we had about seven hundred million the adults

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Speaker 3: seven hundred million obese fat or obese adults. Now we

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Speaker 3: have more than two billion. By twenty fifty, we will

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Speaker 3: have three point eight billion, and it's not changing. So

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Speaker 3: what is the problem here? I mean, think of the

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Speaker 3: healthcare costs, Think of the early deaths from obesity that

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Speaker 3: will come from three point eight billion fat or obese

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Speaker 3: people in the world become twenty fifty. It just doesn't

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Speaker 3: be thinking about, does it. We could probably all go

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Speaker 3: without lunch, I think for the next few years. Now,

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Speaker 3: coming up after five o'clock, we are going to talk

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Speaker 3: about those tariffs Trump has tweeted today or truth social

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Speaker 3: that there will be a tariff on agricultural products that

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Speaker 3: could have a big impact on us. We'll talk about

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Speaker 3: that after this, plus the cancelation of the military aid

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Speaker 3: to Ukraine. All ahead here on Newstrek.

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Speaker 1: Secutive benext to, questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show

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Speaker 1: you trust for the full picture. Brian Bridge on hither

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Speaker 1: do for c Allen Drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected news talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be good evening. It is seven after five. Trump's

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Speaker 3: hit pause on military aid to Ukraine. The White House

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Speaker 3: says the pause could be lifted as Zelensky demonstrates quote

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Speaker 3: a new commitment to negotiations to end the war in Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: Malcolm Nance's intelligence and foreign policy analyst. He's a former

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Speaker 3: US Navy Senior Petty Office. He's also fought on the

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Speaker 3: front lines in Ukraine. And he's with me now, Malcolm.

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Speaker 14: Hello, Oh goodness, good to be here.

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Speaker 3: So this is quite a big deal.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's a very big deal. What's happening in the

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Speaker 14: United States is nothing short of international chaos. And you know,

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Speaker 14: I'm speaking to you as an American citizen, former US military,

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Speaker 14: but I'm also a former Ukrainian Army legionnaire. You know,

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Speaker 14: I served with people from New Zealand, including one who

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Speaker 14: was killed in twenty twenty three in combat. And so

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Speaker 14: to see the United States withdraw support so Donald Trump

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Speaker 14: could live out some fantasy to get the Nobel Prize

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Speaker 14: is an absolute disgrace.

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Speaker 3: What will the Ukrainians do without that support.

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Speaker 14: I just want to put something into perspective for you.

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Speaker 14: Ukraine has been fighting since twenty fourteen without the full

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Speaker 14: support of the United States, and right now US support

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Speaker 14: is twenty percent of the hard weapons that they're getting

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Speaker 14: from that support their combat mission against Russia. The weapons

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Speaker 14: and equipment they were getting from the United States can

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Speaker 14: be backfilled by Europe. We've already seen the European Alliance

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Speaker 14: come together to give them the hard artillery shells that

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Speaker 14: they need. Germany's Rhine Mattal has just finished a factory

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Speaker 14: in Ukraine that can produce a million shells a year.

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Speaker 14: Ukraine has radically changed warfare with their own indigenous homemade

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Speaker 14: drones that are flown by fiber optics so they can't

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Speaker 14: be jammed. Where they will lack initially will be some

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Speaker 14: of the more advanced technologies, some of the missiles that

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Speaker 14: are used in the Hemar multiple rocket system, replacing damaged

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Speaker 14: Bradley infantry fighting vehicles and their supplies. But Europe can

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Speaker 14: backfill all of that too. Ukraine can will not lose

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Speaker 14: this war because they are losing America's support. America is

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Speaker 14: losing because of the Trump regime walking away from freedom, liberty,

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Speaker 14: and democracy for a country that is on the front

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Speaker 14: line against the solitarianism.

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Speaker 3: All right, Malcolm, thank you for that perspective. Malcolm Nancys

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Speaker 3: and Intelligence foreign policy policy analyst, former US Navy senior

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Speaker 3: pity officer, obviously fought in Ukraine alongside a New Zealand soldier.

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Speaker 3: He mentions in the interview just gone ten after five.

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Speaker 3: So if you are a Russian soldier right now you

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Speaker 3: are probably celebrating. You'll be seeing the headlines, probably celebrating

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Speaker 3: the fact that the US is pausing its military aid.

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Speaker 3: Here's what Howard Lutnik had to say, now he's the

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Speaker 3: US Secretary of Commerce. He says, this is what Celenski

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Speaker 3: should have said to Donald Trump to avoid this.

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Speaker 21: You got to say, we love America, we appreciate America.

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Speaker 21: You know, we want you by our side, and if

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Speaker 21: you think we should have peace, we should have peace.

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Speaker 21: Right But instead he said, I want three hundred billion

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Speaker 21: in reparations from Russia.

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Speaker 4: I want them off my land.

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Speaker 1: I want all the land, really, all the land.

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Speaker 21: And reparations and security guarantees.

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Speaker 4: The answer was, it's just.

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Speaker 21: Way too far. That's not a peacemaker, that's a trouble maker.

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Speaker 21: And that's what the president saw. And he took it

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Speaker 21: for forty minutes before and forty five minutes in front

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Speaker 21: of the camera, and then it was just enough, already enough.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting also to note that this comes after the

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Speaker 3: pause on the military comes after Zelenski said that peace

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Speaker 3: is quote very very very far away, and Trump was

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Speaker 3: very frustrated by that. Couple of hours later, you've got

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Speaker 3: him pulling funding, pulling aid. Some are calling it coercive diplomacy.

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Speaker 3: Winston Peters on this after five point thirty times eleven

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Speaker 3: after five Now, Bryan Bridge, in the past few hours,

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Speaker 3: staying with Trump for just a second, He's fired off

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Speaker 3: a post on true Social saying agricultural import terrorists will

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Speaker 3: take effect from April to second in the United States.

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Speaker 3: This could be a big problem for US. He had

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Speaker 3: done under The US is our second largest export market

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Speaker 3: for goods, worth nine billion bucks a year. Red meat

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Speaker 3: exports jumped sixty four percent in January, derry alone worth

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Speaker 3: more than a billion bucks. Nathan goy As, the chairman

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Speaker 3: of the Meat Industry Association, former minister. Hello, good day, Ryan,

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Speaker 3: How are you good? Thank you? These tariffs? How worried

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Speaker 3: are you what he's talking about?

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Speaker 22: Oh, we're worried, but we just don't know at the moment,

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Speaker 22: and it's a little bit hard, you know, speculation. Who

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Speaker 22: might they affect, when might they come in? How much

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Speaker 22: might they be? I see today he's marching on with China,

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Speaker 22: Mexico and Canada, and then today's tweet, and I see

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Speaker 22: that quite a few people have responded in a negative

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Speaker 22: way to the tweet in the US.

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Speaker 4: So we'll just wait and see.

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Speaker 3: What percentage would be bad or catastrophic. I mean, ten percent,

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Speaker 3: I imagine we could probably deal with. But if he

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Speaker 3: goes with twenty five, that's major, isn't it.

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Speaker 22: Ah, that's a big number. Yeah, that would be a

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Speaker 22: big concern. But I was just thinking about it and

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Speaker 22: reflecting before we came on here.

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Speaker 14: Ryan.

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Speaker 22: I like in the world, meat markets to a bit

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Speaker 22: like a giant waterbed. You know, there's ripples and waves.

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Speaker 22: There's a push there, there's a wave over there, and

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Speaker 22: New Zealand there's a fantastic history of writing waves, whether

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Speaker 22: they're geopolitical, trade barriers, whatever they might be. We export

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Speaker 22: to about one hundred and twenty countries around the world,

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Speaker 22: and we're very agile and nimble, and I guess i'd

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Speaker 22: like to think that our relationship is very strong with

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Speaker 22: the US, and we've you know, all of those relationships

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Speaker 22: are going to be really important in the next week while.

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Speaker 3: And I know, I mean, the problem is there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of countries who thought they had close relationships with

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Speaker 3: the US and in the last couple of weeks those

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Speaker 3: have been turned on their head.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, have you had.

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Speaker 3: Have you had any wood from or any contact from

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Speaker 3: the New Zealand government about this so far? I mean,

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Speaker 3: they're obviously going to be contacting their people in Washington

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Speaker 3: trying to figure out what the hell's going on. But

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Speaker 3: have you heard anything?

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Speaker 22: No, I haven't. The Prime Minister and senior ministers were

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Speaker 22: at our National Lamb Day on the lawn at Parliament

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Speaker 22: a couple of weeks ago. That was a topic of conversation.

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Speaker 22: They're certainly working their connections pretty hard. So we're hardened

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Speaker 22: to hear that our meat companies have got customers in market.

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Speaker 22: They're working their connections hard. So everyone's talking and I

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Speaker 22: guess we're just bracing and waiting and hoping it's not

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Speaker 22: a big impact.

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Speaker 3: Fingers across for you. Nathan Guy, a chairman of the

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Speaker 3: Meat Industry Association. Times fourteen minutes after five, you're on

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Speaker 3: news talk setb Auckland is get to spend about twenty

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Speaker 3: nine million hours a year stuck in traffic. Now that

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Speaker 3: number sort of means nothing because we're all individual people,

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Speaker 3: and it's such a big number. How would you ever

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Speaker 3: get your head around it? Well, it's two point six

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Speaker 3: billion dollars a year. It's costing the city. This is congestion,

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Speaker 3: and the Mayor of Auckland and his infinite wisdom, Wayne Brown,

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Speaker 3: ordered to report onto this that reports out that's the number.

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Speaker 3: So they're buttering us up I reckon for the congestion charging,

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Speaker 3: which surely must be on its way shortly. We look

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Speaker 3: at this next. So there's a lot of mobile companies

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Speaker 3: out there claiming to be the best, but what does

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Speaker 3: being exhaustively tested by independent benchmarking organization UMLAUT, part of

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Speaker 3: the Accenture, who do this across more than one hundred

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Speaker 3: and twenty countries globally, and boy is this testing thorough.

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Speaker 3: It's like for like comparisons with the same devices on

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Speaker 3: the same mobile package, at the same location and performing

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Speaker 3: the exact same action like downloading a movie or uploading

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Speaker 3: a photo on a phone. They also supplement their scoring

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Speaker 3: with crowdsource data, which covers ninety eight percent of New

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Speaker 3: Zealand's population area. And guess who came out on top.

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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty four, out of our three big tailcos,

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Speaker 3: One in Z's mobile network performed the best, winning for

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Speaker 3: both voice and for data. And that's the third year

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Speaker 3: out this award. That is impressive. So if you're with

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Speaker 3: eighteen after five News Talk ZB. If you're listening to

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Speaker 3: this and you're in Auckland, you're probably stuck in traffic.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry about that, but I've got a couple of

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Speaker 3: things to update you on. One is a report that's

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Speaker 3: come out, Wayne Brown's congestion Report. I'll have the numbers

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Speaker 3: in a second, but Parliament has this afternoon just passed

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Speaker 3: the first reading of the Congestion Charging Bill. This is

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Speaker 3: the bill that would give the councils the power to

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Speaker 3: charge us for going through central cities at peak times. Now, interestingly,

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Speaker 3: all the parties voted in favor of this, barring to

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Speaker 3: Party Maori for some reason, they voted against it anyway,

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Speaker 3: Wayne Brown's report back to that. So he's come out

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Speaker 3: today and he said it's costing Auckland two point six

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Speaker 3: billion dollars a year by twenty twenty six. This is congestion.

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Speaker 3: Michelle McCormick is the Infrastructure in Z policy direct issues

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Speaker 3: with me this evening high Michelle hi Ron, So how

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Speaker 3: long are we do we know how long we're each

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Speaker 3: spending on average in traffic?

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Speaker 23: Well, I know that there's twenty nine million hours per

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Speaker 23: year being lost in Auckland aligned which is a lot

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Speaker 23: amongst the population. So I know everyone can relate to

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Speaker 23: sitting in traffic and being hugely frustrated and going nowhere.

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Speaker 3: How do we compare to other countries? Are the cities

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Speaker 3: even around the region?

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Speaker 23: Well, interestingly, the report has actually shown we're even worse

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Speaker 23: than Sydney and Melbourne, which is really concerning. Previously, you know,

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Speaker 23: we have sort of on par but we have actually

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Speaker 23: got worse as imputed other toll roads and improve their

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Speaker 23: public transport, we're still legging behind.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So one of the solutions that they talk about

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Speaker 3: is congestion charging. Do you support it?

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Speaker 4: Yes, we do, yep.

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Speaker 23: We've advocated for this for a long time. We think

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Speaker 23: it's really needed in New Zealand. It's vital that this

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Speaker 23: legislation is passed. It's great to see that there's cross

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Speaker 23: party support through the first reading and we're looking forward

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Speaker 23: to the select committee process. It's really important that you

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Speaker 23: know there is control over to the local cities themselves

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Speaker 23: to help design the scheme that's right for years circumstances,

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Speaker 23: but this will be a game changer, just will really

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Speaker 23: make a difference in people's lives.

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Speaker 3: So basically, what because what it congestion charging is actually

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Speaker 3: saying is that's saying there's a whole bunch of people

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Speaker 3: who are going through the city or on our motorway

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Speaker 3: is a peak time who don't need to be, isn't it?

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Speaker 3: That's basically what it's says.

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Speaker 23: Yep, absolutely, and we know that even in these school

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Speaker 23: holidays it's quite a difference in traffic levels that we're

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Speaker 23: dealing with.

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Speaker 3: Who are these people? Do we know? Are they are

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Speaker 3: they parents? Are they parents who are picking up kids

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Speaker 3: from school who don't need to be? What is it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 23: I think we're quite often leaving, we just jumping the

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Speaker 23: car without a thought about what alternatives. But if you

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Speaker 23: know there's a charge to it, that we're coming directly.

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Speaker 23: It might make us stop and think, you know, could

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Speaker 23: we travel at a slightly different times, could be carful

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Speaker 23: with others? Is you know, can we use public transports

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Speaker 23: or turnative for that particular trip. I think we'll actually

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Speaker 23: make us stop and think about our transport journeys.

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Speaker 3: All right, Michelle, thanks for coming on the show. Michelle McCormack,

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Speaker 3: the policy director at Infrastructure and Zed Times twenty one

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Speaker 3: minutes after five News Talks at b I just run

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Speaker 3: out of time, I think, but I want to run

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Speaker 3: you through this report from hsb C. You know Paul Bloxon,

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Speaker 3: the HSBC economist. He's based in Sydney. We have him

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Speaker 3: on the show after six on What's Today Tuesday. He's

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Speaker 3: done a really interesting comparison because we keep asking him

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Speaker 3: who did better the Reserve Bank of Australia or the

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Speaker 3: RBNZ when it comes to slaying the beast that is inflation.

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Speaker 3: He's done a report on it and the interesting results

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Speaker 3: from that. He's on the show after six thirty, but

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Speaker 3: I might give you some of the details after five

891
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Speaker 3: thirty when we've got Winston on twenty two.

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Speaker 1: After five, moving the big stories of the day forward

893
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Speaker 1: aw it's Ryan Bridge on heather duper c Allen Drive

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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks atb It.

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Speaker 3: Is five twenty four three hundred million bucks. Sounds like

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Speaker 3: a lot of money to throw down the toilet, but

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Speaker 3: it's not even close to the four billion dollars the

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Speaker 3: government reckons are the so called Ferrari version of the

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Speaker 3: cook straight their would have cost if we had stuck

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Speaker 3: with the previous government's deal. Today we found out that

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Speaker 3: Treasury has set aside three hundred million to cover a

902
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Speaker 3: break fee for Nikola Willis's text to the Koreans canceling

903
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Speaker 3: the big ships. So long as she and all Winston

904
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Speaker 3: and remember he has until the end of March, can

905
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Speaker 3: conjure up a deal worth in total less than four

906
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Speaker 3: billion dollars, then they should be okay. They will be

907
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Speaker 3: forgiven by the public their three hundred million dollar wastage.

908
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Speaker 3: Why because they saved US four billion, right, But the

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Speaker 3: total cost that they saved better be significantly less than

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Speaker 3: four billion dollars. Why because the stopping in the starting

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Speaker 3: has also created delays and that also costs money. Of course,

912
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Speaker 3: it was the land side infrastructure that was the real

913
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Speaker 3: financial booby trap in irex It kept blowing out and

914
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Speaker 3: blowing out and blowing out, until eventually the government blew

915
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Speaker 3: the whole thing up, Which is why Winston Peters found

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Speaker 3: himself this week sitting around a conference table in Seoul

917
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Speaker 3: with Yondai executives trying to hammer out deal. Winston is

918
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Speaker 3: our last best hope here, the best case scenario being

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Speaker 3: that we keep the two shipbuilding slots. This is what

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Speaker 3: the Treasury report says. Try and keep those two shipbuilding

921
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Speaker 3: slots for the ones that we canceled, negotiate down the

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Speaker 3: brake fee, and get two roll on roll off ferries

923
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Speaker 3: about two hundred meters in length. So long as Winston

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Speaker 3: can achieve all that coming in well under budget, the

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Speaker 3: cancelation fee will soon be a drop in the ocean bridge.

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Speaker 3: Twenty six after five News talk to here'd be some

927
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Speaker 3: really interesting audio apparently coming out of Canada, because obviously

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Speaker 3: Trump is heading Canada, Trump is heading China, He is

929
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Speaker 3: heading just anyone who's in firing distance, basically with tariffs

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Speaker 3: and the mayor, sorry, the premiere of Ontario in Canada,

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Speaker 3: his name is Doug Ford. He's just come out and

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Speaker 3: said in response to this he's threatening to cut US

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Speaker 3: electricity to several American states if the tariff's go into effect.

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Speaker 3: Heavy Listen.

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Speaker 24: If they want to try to annihilate Ontario, I will

936
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Speaker 24: do everything, including cut off their energy with a smile

937
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Speaker 24: on my face. So and I'm encouraging every other province

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Speaker 24: to do the same. Keep back Manitoba BC. We all

939
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Speaker 24: have to act in unison out East. They rely on

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Speaker 24: our energy. They need to feel the pain. They want

941
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Speaker 24: to come out as hard. We're going to come back places.

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Speaker 12: Hope.

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Speaker 5: I will do it.

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Speaker 3: There you go, not happy. Twenty seven minutes after five

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Speaker 3: News Talks BB, Winston Peters is with us live after

946
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Speaker 3: the news. Lots of people texting in about the congestion charging.

947
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Speaker 3: This one is just an example from Jason Ryan. They

948
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Speaker 3: hate these councilor debts. Have no idea. If I was

949
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Speaker 3: to take the bus to work, it would be three

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Speaker 3: buses and take me an hour forty five. I can

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Speaker 3: drive in forty five minutes. There you go, Winston. Next

952
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Speaker 3: News Talks BB.

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Speaker 1: The leading take on the big stories.

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Speaker 16: Where do we even again?

955
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Speaker 8: So much of it comes back to responsibility for your

956
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Speaker 8: own health.

957
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Speaker 25: You can't spend a lifetime abusing your body and then

958
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Speaker 25: going to a doctor or a health system in saying

959
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Speaker 25: fix meth.

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Speaker 26: Are you running a large family because this seems a

961
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Speaker 26: lot harder to do it now than it was when

962
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Speaker 26: I was a kid.

963
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Speaker 27: In nineteen sixty the average Kiwi woman had four children.

964
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Speaker 28: Now their birth rate is down to one point five.

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Speaker 27: It is a massive drop and it is concerning for

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Speaker 27: New Zealand, isn't it?

967
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Speaker 1: Every view from every angle News Talk, said b recapping

968
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Speaker 1: the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines. It's Ryan

969
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Speaker 1: Bridge on Heather Dupericy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand.

970
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Speaker 1: Let's get connected news talks at Bess.

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Speaker 4: You've told me.

972
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Speaker 3: Twenty four minutes away from sixty year on news Talk.

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Speaker 3: So it'd be Winston Peages by the ways on the

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Speaker 3: program after six this evening, So in about half an

975
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Speaker 3: hour's time we're going to talk to him about what's

976
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Speaker 3: happened out at the White House today with Ukraine, but

977
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Speaker 3: also about the IRAX break fees for the fairies. Now,

978
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Speaker 3: the Commerce Commission has filed charges today against two Pack

979
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Speaker 3: and Save supermarkets. This is over alleged breaches to the

980
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Speaker 3: fair Trading Act. You've seen them do this a couple

981
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Speaker 3: of times now over the last wee while. So apparently

982
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Speaker 3: the charges have been laid against in the Orkan district

983
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Speaker 3: called against Pack and Save Silverdale and Auckland and Pack

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Speaker 3: and Save Mill Street in Hamilton. The general manager of Competition,

985
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Speaker 3: Vanessa Horne, says the charges alleged and accurate pricing and

986
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Speaker 3: misleading specials that may have breached the Fair Trading Act

987
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Speaker 3: food Stuffs apparently as being approached for comment just gone

988
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Speaker 3: twenty three minutes away from six Ryan Bridge Associate Education

989
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Speaker 3: Minister David Seymour. He didn't show up. He was no

990
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Speaker 3: show for a meeting with Ericka Stanford, the Education Minister

991
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Speaker 3: today about the school lunch program. Now apparently this was

992
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Speaker 3: just because they were at caucus and caucus runs over,

993
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Speaker 3: so there's no big deal. But what is a big deal, apparently,

994
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Speaker 3: is the school lunch program itself in the eyes of some.

995
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Speaker 3: David Seymour was the Associate Education Ministries with me Hi

996
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Speaker 3: David get Ryan. So what is the storm and a

997
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Speaker 3: tea cup about the meeting or did you show up

998
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Speaker 3: not show up on purpose?

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Speaker 16: No, Well, basically we had an agreement. Tuesday Morning's a

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Speaker 16: difficult time because you have caucus, and one thing about

1001
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Speaker 16: being a member of Parliament is caucus or sacrisanc. So

1002
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Speaker 16: it goes on for as long as it needs to

1003
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Speaker 16: for everyone to hear their views and discuss the business.

1004
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Speaker 16: And I value it, especially because I had six years

1005
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Speaker 16: where I was the only act MP and I just

1006
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Speaker 16: wondered what it would be like to have a caucus.

1007
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Speaker 16: So now I do we take it very seriously as

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Speaker 16: far as as far as the substantive issue. Happy to

1009
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Speaker 16: talk about the lunch as though.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so there was no intention to skip the meeting.

1011
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Speaker 3: It was just it was just caucus running over. Now.

1012
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Speaker 16: I think people will be surprised how often plans change.

1013
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Speaker 16: It's it's a wild world here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, fair enough, all right, okay, let's get

1015
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Speaker 3: to the lunches. So the plastic and the cellophane in

1016
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Speaker 3: the food, you know, the ones being late, those sort

1017
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Speaker 3: of issues. Not the quality issues, not the kids saying,

1018
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Speaker 3: oh you know, I don't actually like butter chicken or whatever,

1019
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 3: but those other issues, the contractual issues. Have you given

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Speaker 3: them a rack up?

1021
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Speaker 16: Yeah? I have spoken to the school lunch collective about

1022
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Speaker 16: that and they've reported back to me what it is

1023
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Speaker 16: that's happened. Specifically, we've had somebody at one of the

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Speaker 16: regional kitchens received the frozen meals as is the plan,

1025
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Speaker 16: they put it in the oven. They put too long

1026
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Speaker 16: at the wrong temperature and that was the first mistake.

1027
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Speaker 16: The second mistake is after they'd burnt them, they did

1028
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Speaker 16: not to the correct quality control and they still sent

1029
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Speaker 16: them out. So that is being dealt with. And one

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Speaker 16: offctive management.

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Speaker 3: That's the one off. Yeah, and one off.

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Speaker 16: One hundred and thirty seven thousand hot meals a day,

1033
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Speaker 16: you know, a couple million over the last month.

1034
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Speaker 3: So we've put these things happening totally. Okay, all right,

1035
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Speaker 3: can I just get some numbers off you? So in

1036
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Speaker 3: terms of the delays, have we ironed that out?

1037
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Speaker 5: Now?

1038
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Speaker 3: Like what are we what's our percentage on time delivery? Now?

1039
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Speaker 16: Well, yesterday Monday, the third of March, ninety nine percent

1040
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Speaker 16: on time delivery. The worst we had a month ago

1041
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Speaker 16: in one city it was eleven percent. Now we're getting

1042
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Speaker 16: some days, we're getting one hundred, some days we're getting

1043
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Speaker 16: ninety nine or ninety eight, so basically always on time.

1044
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Speaker 3: So timing issues sorted. I mean, we will obviously have

1045
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Speaker 3: these plastics in the thing that occasionally you will have

1046
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Speaker 3: accidents happening. I'm sure that happened with the old lunch

1047
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Speaker 3: system as well.

1048
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Speaker 16: Look under the old lunch system, if I recall correctly,

1049
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Speaker 16: there were seven different investigations by food Safety in New Zealand.

1050
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Speaker 16: I mean, these things happen, all right, So what is left?

1051
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Speaker 3: That's that issue? It's the quality of the meals and

1052
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Speaker 3: the wastage that's going on. Do you have the stats

1053
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Speaker 3: yet on wastage and how it compares to the old system.

1054
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Speaker 16: No, we don't have wasted statistics. I've asked to have

1055
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Speaker 16: those and they say that they can be available by

1056
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Speaker 16: the end of this week. Just bear in mind, I'm

1057
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Speaker 16: more worried about them getting the system running than collecting statistics.

1058
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Speaker 16: But I expect that we'll get those very soon. In

1059
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Speaker 16: terms of you know, what is this statistics going to

1060
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Speaker 16: say to us? I think that there will be some

1061
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Speaker 16: issues with waste, there are some issues around quality, But

1062
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Speaker 16: I say to people, look, you know, just stirs. We

1063
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Speaker 16: solve the problem with on time delivery, we will also

1064
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Speaker 16: solve sorry, the issues around quality. And we're learning, for example,

1065
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Speaker 16: which meals are more popular and which ones are less popular.

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Speaker 16: So that's all helpful.

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Speaker 3: What does the wasted tell you though? Does the wastes

1068
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Speaker 3: tell you that you need to make the meals nicer

1069
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Speaker 3: and more palatable, or does it tell you that the

1070
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Speaker 3: kids aren't starving and don't need them and you should

1071
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Speaker 3: reevaluate your program?

1072
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Speaker 16: Well, you know, I mean, look, I campaign heavily against

1073
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Speaker 16: this program. However I'm part of a government where we

1074
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Speaker 16: are all admitted to continuing it. And one of life's

1075
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Speaker 16: great ironies, I'm the guy responsible. My job is now

1076
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Speaker 16: to make it the most efficient use of government money

1077
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Speaker 16: possible and absolutely hell bent on run that we're solving problems,

1078
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Speaker 16: were overcoming them, and I think we will be delivering

1079
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Speaker 16: something that everyone's going to be very pleased with as

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Speaker 16: we iron out problem after problem. That's all you can.

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Speaker 3: Do, all right. David Seymour, the poster child for free

1082
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Speaker 3: school lunches. Ironically, as he said, it's nineteen away from Sex.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find you

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Speaker 1: are one of the kind.

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Speaker 3: Ellie Jones read pr with us this evening. Hi Ellie,

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Speaker 3: get a, Ryan and Nick Mills news talks. They'd be

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Speaker 3: Wellington Mornings. Nick Good Evening to you hi, right, let's

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Speaker 3: start with the lunches. Nick. We've heard from David Seymour

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Speaker 3: ninety nine percent on time. You know, there's obviously going

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Speaker 3: to be some teething problems, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: But what do you make of this?

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Speaker 13: I thought there was a lot of bs from Minister

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Speaker 13: Seamore as. I mean, we've just had a big article

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Speaker 13: on the local paper here about Marna College, one of

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Speaker 13: the colleges that get this delivery, and they showed the

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Speaker 13: food that they got twelve months ago against the food

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Speaker 13: they're getting now.

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Speaker 5: The food is crap. It's coming cold, it's coming burnt.

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Speaker 13: It's not turning up on time for him to turn

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Speaker 13: around and try and make out that everything's all right now.

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Speaker 13: You know, I understand eating problems, but he's done it

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Speaker 13: on the cheap with a big company that don't give

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Speaker 13: a damn and the results are there.

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Speaker 5: You can see it.

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Speaker 13: You don't have to be a rocket scientist, you don't

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Speaker 13: have to be a prime minister that you can see

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Speaker 13: that is a problem because it's been done too damn cheap.

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Speaker 3: Ellie. Two thirds of schools have not complained and the

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Speaker 3: third of schools that have complained, I've either asked questions

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Speaker 3: or complained, so we don't actually know yet. But it's

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Speaker 3: a minority who have complained about this. Does that not

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Speaker 3: indicate that for most it's actually working?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 25: But that doesn't make it right. And I never thought

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Speaker 25: i'd say this, but I agree with every single word

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Speaker 25: that Nick just said. What I think is the issue

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Speaker 25: here is exactly what Nick said, that it's the big picture.

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Speaker 25: Listening to David Seymour who said it exhausted actually, and

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Speaker 25: so he should be, is that this is not just

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Speaker 25: about stuff being delivered on time, as Nick said, It's

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Speaker 25: about the quality of the food. It's about the food

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Speaker 25: being cold, it's about the food being burnt, it's about

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Speaker 25: it not being halal food, it's about it not being vegetarian.

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Speaker 25: So for him to focus on ninety nine percent of

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Speaker 25: it's on time as just rubbish. And also, how the

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Speaker 25: hell is it going to take another eight weeks to

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Speaker 25: flip that ninety nine percent to one hundred percent? What's

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Speaker 25: going on that needs to take eight weeks to get right?

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Speaker 25: And again Nick just made that point.

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Speaker 3: About hang on, how are we expecting so much perfection

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Speaker 3: from this from this new system when we had so

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Speaker 3: many problems with the previous we did.

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Speaker 25: We didn't, he said we had seven, Well, we certainly didn't.

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Speaker 25: Down here, I've been speaking to a group of women

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Speaker 25: this week that used to do it well, not women,

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Speaker 25: there were guys in there as well. They used to

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Speaker 25: provide food to the local schools. They served six schools.

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Speaker 25: The kids loved it. It was on time, it provided jobs.

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Speaker 25: It was a circular economy. And now they're asking can

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Speaker 25: we have the old provider back?

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Speaker 3: People go on about the jobs. It was a thousand

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Speaker 3: jobs that was created. The system was costing US half

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Speaker 3: a billion dollars. That's not good value for money.

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Speaker 5: Next surely yeah, but I mean that surely that we

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Speaker 5: can do it. That beats both.

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Speaker 13: So so do you really want to be feeding our

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Speaker 13: kids this crap? Do you really want the money to

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Speaker 13: go offshore? When why wouldn't you just do it? So

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Speaker 13: localized businesses and organizing. This government says they're all about

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Speaker 13: small business, but they don't give a rats about small business.

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Speaker 5: They give a rats about big business. That's where our

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Speaker 5: issue is.

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Speaker 3: All right, Nick Mills and Allie Jones, I'm not budging

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Speaker 3: them this evening. It's called to Sexier on Newstalks. There'd

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Speaker 3: be the Huddle returns in just a second, the Huddle.

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Speaker 1: With New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the ones with local

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Speaker 1: and global.

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Speaker 3: Reach, Allie Jones read pr and Nick Mills news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be Wellington Mornings with me on the Huddle tonight

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Speaker 3: quarter Just sorry, thirteen minutes away from six o'clock. Now,

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Speaker 3: congestion charging. This is either good news or bad news.

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Speaker 3: If you're stuck in traffic listening to us right now.

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Speaker 3: Congestion charging is probably going to be on the way

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Speaker 3: because the first reading of the bill that will enable

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Speaker 3: counsels to do it is just passed in the House,

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Speaker 3: everyone voting in favor apart from the Party Mali that

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Speaker 3: we're not quite sure at this point. Why Ellie do

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Speaker 3: you think because you're in christ Church, aren't you so?

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Speaker 3: Is this something that christ is going to do that

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Speaker 3: you would support them doing.

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Speaker 25: It's been looked at before, it was raised in the

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Speaker 25: last Annual Plan in the last term of Council and

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Speaker 25: there wasn't the mechanism there as you know we're seeing

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Speaker 25: now because it's going through government for the legislation. But

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Speaker 25: there wasn't the mechanism there for the council to do

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Speaker 25: it. It's certainly something that people have been talking about. I

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Speaker 25: think it needs to be considered. But I think the

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Speaker 25: point that me Brown makes that a stronger public transport

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Speaker 25: and roading system is also needed for us down here.

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Speaker 25: That is absolutely key. I mean we basically don't really

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Speaker 25: have a public transport system other than buses, so you know,

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Speaker 25: it's a little different in Auckland perhaps, but man, our

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Speaker 25: streets are really congested down here. We do have to

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Speaker 25: do something, and I think this will be talked about,

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Speaker 25: you know, far more in the coming years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the public transport point is a good one, Nick,

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Speaker 3: because if you were and we've had so many people

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Speaker 3: text in here to say, I would love, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'd love to catch the public transport and not pay

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Speaker 3: a congestion charge. But that would mean three buses and

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Speaker 3: three hours you know to get to work.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, I'm down for it. I'm absolutely down

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Speaker 13: for it. I mean, you guys have got to pay

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Speaker 13: the price for living in Auckland. You're you know, you're

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Speaker 13: the hearts and soul of the country. You know, one

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Speaker 13: point two million people. You know, it takes a little

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Speaker 13: bit of time to you to get for me to

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Speaker 13: be well, that's something you've got to put up with,

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Speaker 13: because why you're you're a big city, you're playing in

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Speaker 13: the big league. Take a bit of time, relax. But

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Speaker 13: public transport, if you are going to actually look at

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Speaker 13: public transfer.

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Speaker 4: Go to Melbourne.

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Speaker 5: Go to Melbourne.

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Speaker 13: I mean Melbourne has a population of New Zealand and

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Speaker 13: complain about anything towards their roading.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's.

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Speaker 13: Expensive to park in town, very expensive to park in town.

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Speaker 13: One hundred dollars a day to park in town in

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Speaker 13: some places. But the public transport's fantastic, the freeways fantastic.

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Speaker 13: Auckland's just got to move with the times. You know what,

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Speaker 13: You know that you're lucky. You're so lucky. You've got

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Speaker 13: people going out, you got people in traffic jams, you

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Speaker 13: got people, people create people and fun and money.

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Speaker 5: So it's a good thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I suppose that's coming from someone who's living in

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Speaker 3: Wellington as well.

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Speaker 25: Look, you just have to look at London. I mean,

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Speaker 25: you look at London. I know that's not alike for like,

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Speaker 25: and I'm very wary of comparing cities, but you know,

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Speaker 25: I'd hate to be stuck in traffic. I've been using

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Speaker 25: an e bike more because I can, because of time

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Speaker 25: and things. But you know, in London there is a

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Speaker 25: fantastic public transport system and I've got friends that are

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Speaker 25: living very close to the center of town and they

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Speaker 25: rarely use a vehicle. They'll either use a bike or

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Speaker 25: they'll use the buses or the underground, and their congestion

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Speaker 25: charging is well in place and has been for a while.

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Speaker 13: Ryan, it took me fifteen minutes to drive from the

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Speaker 13: middle of Courtney Place to the airport tonight at five o'clock. Right,

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Speaker 13: I mean, I don't want to be coming straight out

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Speaker 13: of down I want to be traffic. I want to

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Speaker 13: be part of people. I want to see people back

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Speaker 13: in the city. I mean congestion is just part of it.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, you can have people. You don't need congestion.

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Speaker 3: I don't, although actually we won't go too far into Wellington,

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Speaker 3: but all those cycle ways around the bay is making

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Speaker 3: life very difficult, very difficult. Hey, just before we go,

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Speaker 3: Adrian Brody at the Oscars last night. He's been well,

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Speaker 3: I don't I've criticized. He's been certainly got some attention

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Speaker 3: online because just before he went up to accept his

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Speaker 3: award for Best Actor. He took chewing gum out of

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Speaker 3: his mouth, which had obviously been chewing on during the ceremony,

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Speaker 3: and threw it to his wife, who caught it and

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Speaker 3: like she was, I don't know what she was going

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Speaker 3: to do with it, hold on to it for later.

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Speaker 3: We were talking about this in the office today, Ellie.

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Speaker 3: Chewing gum is not I didn't think was still a

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Speaker 3: thing other than in America obviously people chewing chewing gum.

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Speaker 25: No, well, maybe he's trying to stop smoking.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 25: Maybe it was like, you know, you have a troll

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Speaker 25: or some sort of nicotine journal. But look, if I'm

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Speaker 25: chewing gum and I have done it before, really, But

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Speaker 25: if I chew gum and I'm going somewhere, meant to

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Speaker 25: be talking, or I'll just take it out and hold

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Speaker 25: it in my hand. So I don't understand why he

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Speaker 25: didn't do that moment.

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Speaker 5: Listen to me at chewing gum.

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Speaker 13: I chew gum all the time, you know, because I

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Speaker 13: want to kiss people if I meet them and see them,

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Speaker 13: I want to have fresh breath when I kiss them,

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Speaker 13: So I chew gum all the time.

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Speaker 5: I think chewing gum is cool, really cool.

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Speaker 3: Where do you put it once you finished with it?

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Speaker 4: Though?

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Speaker 3: That's the question.

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Speaker 13: I keep chewing it all day. I keep chewing it

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Speaker 13: all day. I do a three hour show with a

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Speaker 13: piece of gum in my mouth.

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Speaker 3: Oh reminder to never use the MIC's in Wellington. Thank

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Speaker 3: you Nick, if.

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Speaker 5: I had to use it after you a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: Ago, Nick Mills these talks the would be Wellington Mornings

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Speaker 3: and Allie Jones read pr on the huddle tonight. Time

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Speaker 3: is eight minutes away from six. There was a guy

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Speaker 3: who used to work and sit next to at a

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Speaker 3: work desk and who had a pump bottle and he

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Speaker 3: would chew his chewing gum and then he would put

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Speaker 3: the chewing gum on the top of the pump bottle

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Speaker 3: lid and just leave it there. I had to get

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Speaker 3: a new job. Seven to six.

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Speaker 3: straight up. This caused a recession. It was very deep.

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Speaker 3: It was the worse than thirty years. The RBA went

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Speaker 3: a lot lighter and went later. So who won? And

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Speaker 3: how do you pick a winner in a situation like

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Speaker 3: that when you're not really comparing Like flag, what he

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Speaker 3: did is look at the misery index. So this looks

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Speaker 3: at inflation and unemployment, and on that basis, Paul Bloxham says,

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Speaker 3: the Aussies beat us. However, there's a caveat so long

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Speaker 3: as inflation doesn't return, doesn't rear its head again, because

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Speaker 3: they are sailing a lot closer to the wind than

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Speaker 3: we are when it comes to inflation right now. But

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Speaker 3: I mean, at least they're sailing you know, our boats

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Speaker 3: sank pretty much, didn't it. So anyway, we'll ask Paul

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Speaker 3: about that. He's on the show after six point thirty tonight,

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Speaker 3: the Rockstar economist Paul Bloxham, and he has a you know,

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Speaker 3: there's a whole bunch of different metrics you can use,

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Speaker 3: but we'll ask him which one is the best one

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Speaker 3: and who really won the race. That's what we care

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Speaker 3: about because you want to know for the next time

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Speaker 3: we have to beat inflation, which hopefully won't be in

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Speaker 3: my lifetime. Winston Peter's next.

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Speaker 26: We'll never up. The finger of blame has turned to

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Speaker 26: party itself more than when to myself, my prison, my health,

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Speaker 26: Molly Liberal.

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Speaker 1: Where Business meets Insight the Business Hour, It's with Ryan

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Speaker 3: News TALKSB seven after six News Talk SAIB Coming up

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Speaker 3: this the rock Star economist Paul Bloxam from HSBC out

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Speaker 3: of Sydney is with us. We're all going to also

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Speaker 3: going to talk to the Inflementricus economist Brad Olsen about well,

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Speaker 3: it's been a big day for the markets both here

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand over in Australia, and also in the

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Speaker 3: United States. So all that to come right now, though,

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Speaker 3: are a few things to run past. Winston pieces with

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Speaker 3: multiple hats on. New documents out today revealing the Coal

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Speaker 3: has set aside reportedly sat side three hundred million dollars

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Speaker 3: to cover the broken infrastructure contract with Yondai for the fairies.

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Speaker 3: Plus add to that, the US has halted military aid

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Speaker 3: to Ukraine. This is because Trump is trying to put

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Speaker 3: the squeeze on Zelenski. Winston Peters is the Minister of Rail,

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Speaker 3: also Foreign Affairs minister. Good evening, Good evening, Great to

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Speaker 3: have you on the program. Now, the three hundred million

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Speaker 3: dollar so called break fee that has been spoken about

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Speaker 3: today is a lot of money. Will we have to

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Speaker 3: spend three hundred million dollars to break the old contract?

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Speaker 29: We've already spent about forty six million dollars in that context.

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Speaker 29: But let me say to you that we began in

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Speaker 29: May of twenty twenty one hours the Minister of the

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Speaker 29: Rail seeking for four hundred point one million two fairies,

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Speaker 29: and there was going to be some infrastructure costs, but

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Speaker 29: it would look like way less than one billion. He

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Speaker 29: came back in twenty twenty three out of the previous

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Speaker 29: labor government's calculations and their vehils to face over four

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Speaker 29: billion dollars. That's the reality here, and so when we

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Speaker 29: talk about this roundom minium, it is not for the

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Speaker 29: i REX itself. It is including the i REX also

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Speaker 29: infrastructure which has to be adheaded to.

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Speaker 3: So shond I won't get three hundred million dollars and

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Speaker 3: a cancelation fee for the old fiorries. That's that's false.

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Speaker 29: Now there's a cancelation the equation. But having talked to then,

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Speaker 29: we know that these two things are totally serpace. The

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Speaker 29: past decision to stop what was a two very option

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Speaker 29: where of every dollar you spend on the theory, you're

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Speaker 29: spending three dollars somewhere else. It was a massive blowout.

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Speaker 3: No, I get that, and that's.

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Speaker 29: The real point here. The opposition don't seem to get it,

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Speaker 29: and you get it, but a lot of media doesn't

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Speaker 29: get it. I'm just trying to emphasize it one more time.

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Speaker 3: Understand that, But how much does it cost? How much

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Speaker 3: could it cost to can Soul for the cancelation fee

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Speaker 3: because we have not honored our end of the bargain

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Speaker 3: with the old contract, right, So what is the potential

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Speaker 3: cost of that.

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Speaker 29: Well, the potential cost of saying we cannot afford this

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Speaker 29: blowout in costs for both the fury and the attend

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Speaker 29: infrastructure that went with the ferries that they ordered. That

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Speaker 29: cost is way less than three hundred million.

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Speaker 3: Ah okay, is that did you say forty six million

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Speaker 3: dollars earlier? Is that more like it?

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Speaker 14: No?

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Speaker 29: No, the forty six million we've already spread on other

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Speaker 29: matters associated with that three hundred million cost of decision

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Speaker 29: we said we saw to avoid going to a contract

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Speaker 29: picked up from the layer of the government, not what

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Speaker 29: they were structured to do at the beginning, but where

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Speaker 29: they went from four hundred point one million theories to

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Speaker 29: what in the end was two theories and the total

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Speaker 29: cost all up was a four billion plus according to Treasury.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 29: And every dollar you're spending on new prairies, you have

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Speaker 29: three dollars somewhere else. So you go from way less

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Speaker 29: than one billion two four billions. That's the economics this

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Speaker 29: country when when hear it from the Labor government in

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Speaker 29: portfolio after portfolio, and that's what the needs the taxpayers

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Speaker 29: because it's their money, need to know.

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Speaker 3: Minister, what do you make of Trump pulling the military

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Speaker 3: funding for Ukraine. Jesus playing hardball, isn't he?

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Speaker 29: Look it's truly to say. And I'm not making any

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Speaker 29: comments because I go to see the dust settle and

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Speaker 29: see what it all means.

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Speaker 3: Do you think we're closer to a peace deal since

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Speaker 3: Trump's come in or further away?

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Speaker 29: Well, my answer to that is we are close to

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Speaker 29: a peace deal. The question is what will be shaken form?

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Speaker 3: Do you think we can get a lasting one?

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Speaker 29: Well, you know, we live in a very difficult world,

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Speaker 29: probably the most difficult anybody, nor most people, not anybody,

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Speaker 29: but anybody that was born after the Sigmawar has never

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Speaker 29: seen a time quite like this one.

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Speaker 3: Have you spoken to your Ukrainian counterpart?

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Speaker 29: Yes, I spoken to the Ukrainian counterpart. I've spoken to

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Speaker 29: my counterpart in Poland and surrounding countries Germany, France and

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Speaker 29: the UK. Have been speaking to the USA counterpart very shortly.

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Speaker 29: I've spoken to my counterpart in China getting the national

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Speaker 29: fingerful things, and of course I spoken to my counterpart

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Speaker 29: and then Ambasta also in Finland.

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Speaker 3: What are you going to say to Marca Rubio?

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Speaker 29: Now, You're far too smart, mister Beach for me to

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Speaker 29: you're asking me to before I even talk to this

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Speaker 29: very important person. I tell your listeners now, the don't

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Speaker 29: understand that that's all lack of diplomacy. It's impolite and

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Speaker 29: it's root in the extreme, and we do not want

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Speaker 29: to be acting like that.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough, I had to ask. I thought you might

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Speaker 3: be you.

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Speaker 29: Know what, you know what the secret of diplomacy is,

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Speaker 29: don't you?

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Speaker 3: Well, certainly not what Trump's doing in the White House

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Speaker 3: right now. I wouldn't have.

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Speaker 29: Thought I'm going to share some of you. The secret

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Speaker 29: of diplomacy is telling someone to go to hellp in

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Speaker 29: such a way that the House for Directions.

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Speaker 3: Fine, the Foreign Minister, Winston Peters, thank you very much

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Speaker 3: for your time. Appreciated this evening. Thirteen minutes after six

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Speaker 3: Brad Olson next gradual turnaround expected for the building sector.

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Speaker 3: But we've got some new numbers out today on consents.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather dupas Alan Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by News Talk zibby.

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Speaker 3: Six sixteen News Talk ZB. We just had Winston Peters

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Speaker 3: on and he gave us at the end a little

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Speaker 3: quote about the secret of diplomacy. I like this text

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Speaker 3: from Ian and Auckland, Hi, Ryan, the real secret of

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Speaker 3: diplomacy is letting other people have your way. That's good

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Speaker 3: signs of a gradual turnaround in the building sector. New

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Speaker 3: stats and Z figures out today. They show new home

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Speaker 3: building consents down seven point two percent annually to January,

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Speaker 3: but eleven percent more homes were concented that month compared

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Speaker 3: to the year before. Brad Nelson's the infometric CEO. He's

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Speaker 3: with us Hi Brad, Good evening. So what are we

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Speaker 3: making of this?

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Speaker 27: Well, look, I think the fact that you're seeing on

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Speaker 27: a sort of looking at the January month compared to

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Speaker 27: where it was a year ago, you've seen a bit

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Speaker 27: of a tick up. There's definitely a bit of a

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Speaker 27: shift coming through, and it reinforces our view looking through

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Speaker 27: in these figures that actually there's effectively a bit of

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Speaker 27: a stabilization starting to come through. Yes, overall over the

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Speaker 27: last twelve months, the number of consents are lower than

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Speaker 27: the twelve months before that, but that's because we had

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Speaker 27: seen sort of such a big pullback, but realistically down

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Speaker 27: seven point two on the annual basis over the last

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Speaker 27: twelve months. At one point it was down something like

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Speaker 27: twenty five percent starting to see that shift gradually emerging.

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Speaker 27: What I think was interesting when we dug through into

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Speaker 27: the numbers was the fact that you've got quite a

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Speaker 27: strong drive in recent times coming through from Canterbury and Otago,

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Speaker 27: some of the biggest contributions from those areas, and also

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Speaker 27: a bit of a notch upwards in townhouse consent. So again, look,

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Speaker 27: the numbers are still in a more challenging spot, but

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Speaker 27: after the construction's gone from what fifty one thousand consents

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Speaker 27: going back a couple of years now, we're thinking things

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Speaker 27: stabilize more around the thirty three to thirty five thousand marks,

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Speaker 27: so down but also not.

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Speaker 3: Out interesting that the average floor area for a standalone

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Speaker 3: house was one hundred and seventy six square meters. That's

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Speaker 3: down from one hundred and eighty three the year before,

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Speaker 3: and the lowest for any year into January since nineteen

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Speaker 3: ninety four. Is that part of the townhouse thing.

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Speaker 27: No, I mean those were the standalone figures themselves, So

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Speaker 27: you know that's a detached dwelling, right if you will,

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Speaker 27: But you're right, I mean, look at it. It's notable

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Speaker 27: that those that effectively your house area is becoming smaller.

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Speaker 27: Maybe we've all got into the Marie condo and now

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Speaker 27: we can sort of exist with a small amount of

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Speaker 27: space realistically. Of course, it's actually because people have been

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Speaker 27: paying so much for houses that we are looking for

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Speaker 27: those sort of smaller options. And I think it's also

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Speaker 27: interesting like building consents and the size of the floor

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Speaker 27: area often dictates or is dictated by what people are

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Speaker 27: looking to buy.

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Speaker 22: Now.

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Speaker 27: Yes, people might be feeling forced to buy smaller and

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Speaker 27: build smaller because of the financial restraints, but it also

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Speaker 27: suggests that, you know, because we have gotten more used

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Speaker 27: to some of the denser dwelling in townhouses and apartments,

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Speaker 27: obviously there's a bit of a shift where kiwis are

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Speaker 27: able to make that work a bit better and be

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Speaker 27: a bit more affordable than before. So definitely a bit

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Speaker 27: of a shift coming through there. In terms of the

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Speaker 27: land size. People are going to have to get pretty

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Speaker 27: good at where they store stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one of the troubles that I have at

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Speaker 3: my place because our place is tiny. But the thing

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Speaker 3: is you do get used to it. And also not

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Speaker 3: having a big backyard. What he wants a big backyard,

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Speaker 3: but then once you live without one, you've kind of

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Speaker 3: realize you can do without it, well.

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Speaker 27: Until you've got a lawn and trees that have got

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Speaker 27: to be looked after a ride. You know, it's great

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Speaker 27: in summer and then it sort of becomes a bit

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Speaker 27: unkempt and hard to look after. I think as well,

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Speaker 27: when it comes to space, the more space you have,

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Speaker 27: the more space you can fill up. Like I feel

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Speaker 27: like your collection of clutter can sometimes grow to fill

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01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 27: whatever you've got. Now, Like I say, I do think

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01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 27: that actually the driving force behind this is more around

1513
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 27: affordability and what kiwis are able to pay when it

1514
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 27: comes to housing, and so that's obviously a challenge. But

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01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 27: I do think as well it reflects the fact that

1516
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 27: over time we have seen a real shift in how

1517
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 27: Kiwis are living. I mean the fact that you know,

1518
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 27: people are buying in different groups. It's not just sort

1519
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 27: of a couple anymore. You know that there's different sort

1520
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 27: of formations of who's buying a house, what people need

1521
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 27: in them. The fact that you sort of you don't

1522
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 27: necessarily need a spare bedroom anymore, you need an office

1523
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 27: space that maybe has a pull out couch for when

1524
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 27: mates come over. Like the entire way that New Zealander

1525
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 27: is a living as shit and I think that's what

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01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:02,559
Speaker 27: these numbers are reflecting as well.

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01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 3: Interesting stuff, Brad, Thank you for that. Brad Oustin, who's

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01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 3: the Informetric CEO. Just gone twenty after six here on

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01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 3: news Talk, said be Jamie McKay next.

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01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro, microbe or just playing economics, it's all

1531
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 1: on the business hours with Ryan Bridge and theirs. Insurance

1532
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 1: and investments. Grow your wealth, protect your future.

1533
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 3: These dogs six twenty three, this is one to watch.

1534
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 3: The President of the United States, Donald Trump, today took

1535
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 3: to his social media platform Truth Social and said that

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01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 3: he would introduce an agricultural tariff on all agricultural imports

1537
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 3: coming into the United States from April to second. This

1538
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 3: is obviously alarmed quite a few people around the world,

1539
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 3: no less than here in New Zealand. We spoke to

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01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 3: Nathan Guy from the Meat Industry Association earlier in the program.

1541
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:53,639
Speaker 3: He said he's worried. The rate at which the tariff

1542
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 3: might be introduced is obviously the key factor that everyone

1543
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 3: wants to know. We export more a billion dollars worth

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01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:03,879
Speaker 3: of dairy to the US. It's our second largest largest

1545
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 3: market for export goods, and that the red meat sector

1546
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 3: was up something like sixty percent from January numbers. Jamie

1547
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,559
Speaker 3: McKay is the host of the Country. He's with us

1548
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 3: to wrap the rural news for today.

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Speaker 7: Hi, Jamie, I was equally shocked, Ryan, And just remember

1550
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 7: the US might be our second biggest trading partner now

1551
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 7: having overtaken Australia, but it's the biggest market for our

1552
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 7: red meat, especially our beef, although they're buying a lot

1553
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 7: of high end lamb at the moment. You know, our

1554
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 7: lamb wrecks and all that as well. But beef exports

1555
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 7: to the US rows twenty four percent in volume a

1556
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:43,720
Speaker 7: year on year from January a year ago, surged seventy

1557
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 7: three percent in value. The whole thing's worth well, the

1558
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 7: whole red meat export market's worth an excess of ten

1559
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 7: billion dollars to US now. So if he slaps a

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01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 7: Trump a Trump, let you try if he slaps a

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01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:01,839
Speaker 7: terrify on, who knows what it'll be. China's at ten percent,

1562
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 7: Canada and Mexico are at twenty five. You'd have to

1563
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 7: think it would sit somewhere round about there. Our only

1564
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:12,719
Speaker 7: saving grace, Ryan is Trump loves hamburgers, and we need

1565
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:16,599
Speaker 7: our lean beef to mix with that US domestic grain

1566
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 7: fed beef to produce burger patties. That might be our

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01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:20,719
Speaker 7: saving grace.

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01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 3: I genuinely hope that something like that. You know that

1569
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 3: there is some serious diplomacy going on behind the scenes

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01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 3: right now, because that has the potential to be quite

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01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 3: devastating to US.

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, And whichever way you slice these Trump tariffs up,

1574
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 7: it's bad news for US. We're an exporting nation that

1575
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 7: depends on free trade, that has benefited from free trade,

1576
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 7: if that's not an oxymoron around the world. And you

1577
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:49,640
Speaker 7: know he's putting the squeeze on China. China is our

1578
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,799
Speaker 7: biggest export market. Are they're going to have less money

1579
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 7: to buy stuff from US? And I think the other

1580
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 7: story is and someone like Brad Olsen, who you've just

1581
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 7: had on, would be much better qualified to talk about

1582
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 7: this than me. But all these tariffs are going to

1583
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 7: add to inflationary pressures in the US. US inflation stays high,

1584
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 7: our infrast rates are probably going to stay that higher

1585
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 7: or not drop as much as they could. So look,

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01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 7: he's playing the whole world at the moment, not only

1587
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,640
Speaker 7: when it comes to war games, but also when it

1588
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 7: comes to trade. As someone said, we're in a fully

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01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 7: fledged world trade war at the moment, or on the

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01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 7: brink of one.

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Speaker 3: Certainly. Now we've got another global dairy trade option tonight.

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Speaker 3: What are you expecting. They've been pretty good lately.

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01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:33,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, they've been pretty good. The last one called its

1594
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:38,879
Speaker 7: jets or that all the banks are sitting and Fonterra

1595
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 7: are sitting around ten bucks splimming good money. Let's make

1596
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 7: no bones about that one. Look the guy. I go

1597
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 7: to Mike McIntyre chart and he's pretty accurate. He's predicting

1598
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 7: down three percent and all this uncertainty you would imagine

1599
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Speaker 7: around the world. The world markets have had a bit

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Speaker 7: of a tumble to day off what Trump's doing with

1601
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:00,799
Speaker 7: Ukraine and all that sort of stuff. I would expect

1602
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:04,639
Speaker 7: not maybe not a somber result. He's picking down three percent.

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01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 7: Maybe that wouldn't be a bad result. The main thing

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01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 7: is we're getting well through the season. The volumes are

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01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 7: starting to slow down or weave it off the back

1606
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 7: of dry especially in the North Island. So if we

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01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 7: can lock and load ten bucks, dairy farmers would take it.

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Speaker 3: Brilliant, Jamie, thank you for that. Jamie McKay hosted The

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01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:24,639
Speaker 3: Country right here on news talks, there'd be twenty seven

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01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 3: after six coming up after the news. It is Paul

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01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 3: blox and the rockstar economy economist rather who won the

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01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 3: Battle of the reserve banks.

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01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates. The Business Hour

1614
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 1: with Ryan Bridge and Player's Insurance and Investments, Grew your wealth,

1615
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:52,639
Speaker 1: Protect your future news talks.

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01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 4: That'd be.

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01:21:57,960 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 10: How much.

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01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:03,759
Speaker 5: Good evening?

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01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 3: Twenty five minutes away from seven news talks. There'd be

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01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:09,639
Speaker 3: lots of texts coming in on congestion charging. Actually we'll

1621
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 3: come back to some of those in a second, but

1622
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,679
Speaker 3: just on the terroriffs we've been discussing. Obviously, Trump's slapping

1623
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 3: terrorists left, right and center. He's done Canada, he's done, China,

1624
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 3: has done Mexico, and could you do us in the

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01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 3: form of a agricultural tariff that he has tweeted about

1626
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 3: today or social media posted about today. It's interesting because

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Speaker 3: we heard from Jamie McKay earlier. Look, a lot of

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Speaker 3: what we are sending in terms of red meat, and

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01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 3: we're sending a lot of red meat up to the US.

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Speaker 3: A lot of what we're sending is high end, high

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01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:41,640
Speaker 3: value stuff. And I was reading a piece today in

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Speaker 3: the Wall Street Journal I was talking about Italian wine

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01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 3: and if they were to whack the EU with some

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01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 3: massive terrorists, you know what would happen to your Italian wine?

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Speaker 3: And I would like to think, I would like to

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01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:54,639
Speaker 3: imagine that we're in the same league as Italian wine

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01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 3: when it comes to our meat. And if you were

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Speaker 3: to slap say a ten to fifteen percent tarif on

1639
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 3: a bottle of twenty one dollar a bottle of Italian Red,

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01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 3: the American consumer would still buy that bottle of wine

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01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 3: because they love it, and because they have a bit

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01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:12,600
Speaker 3: more money than your average It's not like you're going

1643
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 3: to switch a really nice bottle of Italian Red for

1644
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 3: something else, for something from you know, California, for example.

1645
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 3: So I would like to think that we're in that

1646
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 3: in that sort of upper echelon when it comes to

1647
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 3: our beef exports and our lamb exports, that we would

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01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 3: potentially get off lightly even if there was a tariff introduced.

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01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 3: But really, I mean, I feel like I'm clutching at

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01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 3: stores at this point, twenty four minutes away from seven

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01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 3: Bryan Bridge. Now, big debate. Obviously it's been happening here.

1652
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 3: We've been doing it on air it's about which reserve bank,

1653
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:54,560
Speaker 3: New Zealand or Australia fared better and trying to tackle inflation.

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01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 3: Paul Bloxam, the HSBC economists, the rock Star economist, has

1655
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 3: been looking at this and he's done a paper on

1656
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 3: it which I've been perusing this afternoon. Paul, Good, evening. Good,

1657
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 3: A Hey, great to have you on the show. Tell

1658
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:10,800
Speaker 3: me about the report that you guys have done from HSBC.

1659
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 3: Who did better? Who feared better?

1660
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Speaker 4: Ah?

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Speaker 30: Yeah, So we've been comparing the Australian and the New

1662
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:21,679
Speaker 30: Zealand experience post pandemic. So as we know, both countries

1663
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 30: had this surge in inflation, and inflation picked up a

1664
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:27,679
Speaker 30: lot in twenty twenty two. It's got to somewhere between

1665
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,759
Speaker 30: seven and eight percent, depending on which economy you're talking about,

1666
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:33,559
Speaker 30: And of course both central banks took slightly different approaches

1667
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 30: in terms of managing it. The RBA lifted rates by

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01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 30: four hundred and twenty five basis points and really intentionally

1669
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 30: try to not slow the economy as much, take longer

1670
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 30: about getting inflation down, but stay close to full employment

1671
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 30: and they seem to have delivered that. And the RBNZ

1672
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 30: took the approach of needing to get inflation down fast,

1673
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:53,559
Speaker 30: so they lifted interest rates by more and in the

1674
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 30: end pushed the economy into a bigger downturn to get

1675
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:59,719
Speaker 30: to get inflation down. And so they're both different choices

1676
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 30: and they both have had different outcomes. You know, in

1677
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,639
Speaker 30: New Zealand's case, inflation has come down faster and it's

1678
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 30: back where the RBNS needs it to be. And after

1679
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 30: those rate rises, well, of course you've had one hundred

1680
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 30: and seventy five bass points of rate cuts so far.

1681
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 30: In Australia's case, having not lifted rates as much, the

1682
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 30: economy is still pretty full, close to full employment, and

1683
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 30: the RBA of course has only been able to cut

1684
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 30: interest rates twenty five bass points. So it really depends

1685
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 30: on what weight you put on the importance of getting

1686
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 30: inflation down fast, how important you think it is for

1687
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:33,679
Speaker 30: the unemployment rate to stay low which and what weight

1688
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 30: you put on that, and how much weight you put

1689
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:38,680
Speaker 30: on the sort of the idea that interest rates come

1690
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:41,759
Speaker 30: down as well. You know, the two are very very close.

1691
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:43,599
Speaker 30: We found in the studies that depends on which weight

1692
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 30: you put on those things. But on the margin, I

1693
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 30: think if you're prioritizing stabilizing your economy as well and

1694
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 30: minimizing the volatility, then Australia probably bears a little bit better.

1695
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 3: The answer surely is in the number of economic refugees

1696
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 3: that fled this country to head to to the other one.

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01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 30: You know, well, it's part of the adjustment mechanism. Certainly

1698
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,559
Speaker 30: that the labor market's been stronger in Australia and it's

1699
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 30: been weaker in New Zealand, and it's meant that people

1700
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 30: have moved from New Zealand to Australia to get jobs.

1701
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 30: And so if you're measuring it purely on the labor

1702
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 30: market performance, you would definitely say Australia has been in

1703
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 30: better shape. We've had an unemployment rate that's gone up

1704
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 30: by only point six percentage points. It's picked up from

1705
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 30: three and a half percent to four point one over

1706
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 30: the last two and a half years. And in New

1707
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 30: Zealand the unemployment rates picked up by almost two percentage points.

1708
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 30: It's gone up from three point two to five point one.

1709
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 30: So you know, if it's just on the labor market, yes,

1710
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 30: Australia is in better shape. If it's on the inflation performance, well,

1711
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 30: New Zealand's got its inflation down faster than Australia has.

1712
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:44,280
Speaker 3: And you guys are still starting a bit closer to

1713
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 3: the wind I suppose, and with Trump's terrorists et CenTra,

1714
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 3: things could get a bit herey, So we'll have to

1715
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 3: wait and see how that plays out. GDP figures, you

1716
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 3: got the figures out tomorrow. What are you expecting.

1717
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 30: Well, we think GDP growth will have picked up pace.

1718
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 30: This is the fourth quarter print for last year and

1719
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 30: we think that it'll run at half a percent in

1720
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 30: the quarter, and that'll be up from running at point

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Speaker 30: twos and point threes over the previous quarter. So we're

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Speaker 30: in a modest consumer upswing. We've already seen it in

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Speaker 30: better retail numbers. We've seen it in improving consumer confidence

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Speaker 30: and that's because well, inflation is coming down, so cost

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Speaker 30: of living is improving a bit, and we've seen tax

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Speaker 30: cups in Australia in the second half of last year

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Speaker 30: cost of living measures as well. And we've got very

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Speaker 30: strong employment. You know, we're fully employed. The employment to

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Speaker 30: population ratio is at its highest level on record at

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Speaker 30: the moment, so people are spending a bit more because

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Speaker 30: they're quite confident. They're becoming more confident and that we

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Speaker 30: think is what's going to lift growth and show up

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Speaker 30: into morrow's print.

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Speaker 3: How are just outside of the headline figures that we're expecting.

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Speaker 3: How are Australian's feeling about the economy, the state of

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Speaker 3: how things are well?

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Speaker 30: The consumer sentiment numbers have improved, so the pickup. The

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Speaker 30: low point was September last year, and then in October

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Speaker 30: and November they jumped quite a lot and then they

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Speaker 30: sort of held on to that level and they've approved

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Speaker 30: a little bit since the RBA delivered its first rate

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Speaker 30: cut as well. So I would say they're a lot

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Speaker 30: better than they were, but we're still not above average,

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Speaker 30: you know. The consumers are still pretty cautious, but certainly

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Speaker 30: better than it was late last year.

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Speaker 3: Paul, thank you very much for that. Great to have

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Speaker 3: you on as always, Paul Blocks on the HSBC Chief Economists.

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Speaker 3: Time is nineteen minutes away from seven. Interesting just on

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Speaker 3: the issue coming out of the White House today, the pause,

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Speaker 3: the so called paws on military aid for Ukraine from

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Speaker 3: Trump's White House. Just a comment that's come out from

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Speaker 3: one of the officials in his administration saying this is

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Speaker 3: not a permanent termination of aid, it is a pause

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Speaker 3: now Bloomberg is reporting just in the last week while

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Speaker 3: that all US military equipment currently not in Ukraine would

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Speaker 3: be held back. This includes weapons that are currently in

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Speaker 3: transit on aircraft and in ships or waiting in transit

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Speaker 3: areas in Poland. So if you've got any military equipment

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Speaker 3: that the US has sent and promised and it has

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Speaker 3: been delivered to Europe but hasn't quite made its way

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Speaker 3: into Ukraine's borders that has been held back, that is

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Speaker 3: a pretty intense move because the Ukraine military obviously will

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Speaker 3: be relying on that and expecting it to arrive any day.

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Speaker 3: It won't eighteen to seven.

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Speaker 3: Accorded to seven on News TALKSB. I've heard of AI

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Speaker 3: generated stories being published in the news media outlets, but

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Speaker 3: I have not heard of this before today. The La

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Speaker 3: Times announced that, and the Allay Times is one of

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Speaker 3: those newspapers. Much like Bezos with Washington Post. I mean

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Speaker 3: you could just insert billionaire owner here and then insert

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Speaker 3: workers slash unions here. This happens to be not the

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Speaker 3: Washington Jeff Bezos, but the La Times and it's billionaire

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Speaker 3: medical founder owner and the staff and the unions having

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Speaker 3: a bit of a row about the La Times displaying

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Speaker 3: AI generated political ratings on opinion pieces. So if you

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Speaker 3: write an opinion piece and let's say you might be

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Speaker 3: I don't know, liberal and lefty, then this AI generated

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Speaker 3: sort of almost like we were talking with the Health

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Speaker 3: Star ratings yesterday, like a political rating will pop up

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Speaker 3: on your story, so people know, look out there's a lefty.

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Speaker 3: I'm assuming that's what it is that they're doing. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: there's some brew haha in La about that at the

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Speaker 3: moment at the La Times just gone fourteen away from

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Speaker 3: seven and the Brady's a UK europe correspondent, Good evening.

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Speaker 10: Hey, Brian, loved to speak to you again and to you.

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Speaker 3: So we've had a big day of announcements from Donald Trump,

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Speaker 3: the terriffs, et cetera. But the big one Ukraine and

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Speaker 3: the pausing of military aid to you cranes military into

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Speaker 3: its frontline forces, sending shotwives all around the world, as

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Speaker 3: you can imagine. But how are they responding in Europe?

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Speaker 3: What's the reaction there?

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Speaker 10: Well, shock, which I'm surprised by because we knew this

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Speaker 10: was coming. I mean, he was saying this on the

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Speaker 10: campaign trail. You could see what was happening on Friday night,

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Speaker 10: the ambush in the White House. So he's just following

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Speaker 10: through on everything.

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Speaker 5: He has said. So now we know.

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Speaker 10: Now we know that Trump does not want to help

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Speaker 10: Ukraine in any way, and effectively, what they're doing is

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Speaker 10: trying to bully Zelenski into accepting Russia's peace deal. And

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Speaker 10: Russia's peace deal involves and I know this because I've

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Speaker 10: spent many hours with the Russian ambassador interviewing him in London,

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Speaker 10: and he has a list of and it's obviously a

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Speaker 10: Kremlin dictated list of what they will do for peace.

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Speaker 10: So Russia effectively wants to keep all of the land

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Speaker 10: it has invaded and stolen in the last three years,

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Speaker 10: in addition to Crimeia Crimea, which had stolen twenty fourteen

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Speaker 10: now on membership for Ukraine, no European Union membership, and

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Speaker 10: Zelenski must go. So that's just the beginning of the

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Speaker 10: Russian hit list. Trump seems to think that this is

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Speaker 10: all fine. So what we're seeing now is France and

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Speaker 10: the UK step up and I think there will be

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Speaker 10: an alternative peace proposal put forward. They're working closely with Zelenski.

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Speaker 10: I think we'll see Italian peacekeepers, French, British, perhaps Norwegian

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Speaker 10: and Swedish. I was in Ireland for the weekend. Maybe

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Speaker 10: even an Irish contingent as well with peacekeepers in Lebanon.

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Speaker 10: So Europe, if Trump has done one thing, he has

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Speaker 10: made Europe more united.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, But that's what they've been wanting for a very

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Speaker 3: long time, the Americans, right, They've wanted Europe to step

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Speaker 3: up and to play its part, and he's now forcing

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Speaker 3: their hand. Does what happens to Ukraine in the meantime

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Speaker 3: if this military aide stops. Does Europe have the resources

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Speaker 3: in the waywidal to get the military aid that's needed

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Speaker 3: to Ukraine to keep the fighting going.

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Speaker 10: Well, that is the question. I mean, the UK military

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Speaker 10: is on its knees after fourteen successive years of underfunding

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Speaker 10: under the Conservatives. So the military here, they would really

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Speaker 10: be scrabbling around to even get a peacekeeping force together.

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Speaker 10: And I've spoken to senior leaders on my TV show

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Speaker 10: roundtable in the last six months and they all say

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Speaker 10: the same thing. UK military leaders from here are saying

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Speaker 10: that you know, if you're looking at a peacekeeping force

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Speaker 10: of thirty thousand men, they can't stay there indefinitely. You

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Speaker 10: need another thirty thousand training to go in and another

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Speaker 10: thirty thousand recovering from coming out. So they're doing the numbers.

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Speaker 10: Europe is trying to pull its resources and it needs stating.

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Speaker 10: The number one country in Europe for support of Ukraine

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Speaker 10: is actually Germany. They've given the most in terms of

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Speaker 10: money and military So I guess if anything, from Friday

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Speaker 10: night they have sharpened the focus of Europe to come together.

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Speaker 10: But how much is left in the European pot. Ultimately

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Speaker 10: we're all going to be chipping in.

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Speaker 3: More and into the being tributes to the Scottish painter

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Speaker 3: Jack Vitriana.

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Speaker 10: Yes, he's passed away at the age of seventy three

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Speaker 10: at a house in France, and he was an extraordinary man.

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Speaker 10: If the name doesn't ring any bells, check out his

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Speaker 10: art work. The art establishment here hated Jack Vettriano. They

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Speaker 10: didn't like the fact that he was a working class guy.

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Speaker 10: He used to be a mining engineer at the age

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Speaker 10: of sixteen and he taught himself how to paint. His

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Speaker 10: first girlfriend said to him one day and it was

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Speaker 10: a comment that stayed with him his entire life. He's

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Speaker 10: from a small town Fife in Scotland, and the girlfriend

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Speaker 10: apparently said to him, if you don't do something with

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Speaker 10: your life, you're going to be stuck here forever and

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Speaker 10: you'll do nothing. So he signed up for an art

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Speaker 10: class at the local school, taught himself how to paint,

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Speaker 10: and he started copying the masters, and then he decided

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Speaker 10: on his own style and the art establishment they never

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Speaker 10: showed his portraits in the National Gallery in London, in

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Speaker 10: the Gallery in Edinburgh, but he had the last laughters.

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Speaker 10: One painting in particular he's famous for call the Singing Butler.

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Speaker 10: I absolutely love it sold about twenty years ago when

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Speaker 10: it last him up for auction for about one point

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Speaker 10: four million end z. And would you believe if Jack

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Speaker 10: Vettriano had the last laugh, because that one painting alone

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Speaker 10: was bringing him in in royalties every year in terms

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Speaker 10: of prints and pictures and postcards people who copied of it.

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Speaker 10: One million end z every year of his life off

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Speaker 10: the back of a painting he made thirty three years ago.

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Speaker 3: Now, Manchester United fans we talk a lot about Menchester

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Speaker 3: United and said Jim Redcliffe. He's in the firing line again,

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Speaker 3: this time not from the establishment but from the fans.

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Speaker 3: I have a ticket prices.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 10: So they got dumped out of the FA Cup the

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Speaker 10: other night, unceremoniously by Fulham, a home match which they

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Speaker 10: on paper years ago man United with have rolled over Fulham.

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Speaker 10: Fulham came one on penalties. United were the cup holders.

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Speaker 10: They are out and the chant went around the ground.

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Speaker 10: I won't use the language that was used, but Ratcliffe

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Speaker 10: obviously this gets back to him. So the ticket pricing

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Speaker 10: he has set for every home game, respective, irrespective of

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Speaker 10: who you are, whether you're attension or whatever. It equates

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Speaker 10: to one hundred and thirty two end Z dollars per

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Speaker 10: ticket per match. And you know they're used to watching

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Speaker 10: big flare players winning trophies. It's not happening anymore. They're

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Speaker 10: not one hundred and thirty two dollars a ticket prospect

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Speaker 10: Manchester United. They're going backwards. I think they're fifteenth in

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Speaker 10: the Premier League now, which will be their most catastrophic

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Speaker 10: finish ever. And all the while Ratcliffe has acted hundreds

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Speaker 10: of staff. The free lunches for the staff have gone.

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Speaker 10: It just goes from bad to worse. But the fans,

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Speaker 10: I think he's he's on the brink of a mutiny

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Speaker 10: now with the fans. And this is this is a

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Speaker 10: guy who's from the local area and considers himself a

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Speaker 10: Manchester United fan.

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Speaker 3: Here we in to thank you for that. What would

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Speaker 3: you normally pay for a ticket?

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Speaker 10: You couldn't pay you. Look, you couldn't pay me to

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Speaker 10: watch Manchester United as a Liverpool fan. I'd got watched

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Speaker 10: them once a season. Well, look, I hope I hope

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Speaker 10: they enjoy your swating everything this year. That's all I would.

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Speaker 3: Say, and the thank you. End of Bradio. U can

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Speaker 3: europe Correspondent time is eight minutes away from seven News

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Speaker 3: Talks MB. A lot of people saying they're loving what

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Speaker 3: Trump is doing with Ukraine. I don't know how you

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Speaker 3: could love what he's doing with Ukraine. I can understand

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Speaker 3: why it's happening. You know, he's saying it's great that

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Speaker 3: he's bringing all these people to their knees. I don't

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Speaker 3: think it's great. I think, you know, Putin's an ahole,

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Speaker 3: and obviously everybody thinks that. But I can understand why

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Speaker 3: Trump is doing what he's doing. He's he's managing to

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Speaker 3: actually get the result that America's wanted for a very

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Speaker 3: long time, which is Europe to step up take responsibility

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Speaker 3: for its own backyard so that America doesn't become the

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Speaker 3: backstop and the credit card for proxy wars like the

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Speaker 3: one that's going on. But that doesn't mean that you

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Speaker 3: revel in it all that you think it's great that

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Speaker 3: people have been brought to their knees. Seven to seven, it's.

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Speaker 3: your text very much. Enjoyed your company today. And so

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01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 3: what are we going out to tonight?

1933
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Speaker 28: Another sad one? Unfortunately tonight Ryan Joline by Dolly Parton

1934
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:28,759
Speaker 28: to play us at night. Don't worry she Dolly Partners

1935
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:34,360
Speaker 28: is about and well, yeah, unfortunately it's her husband, Carl

1936
01:38:34,439 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 28: Jen Carl Deen has died at the age of eighty two.

1937
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Speaker 28: They were married for sixty years. Carl first met her

1938
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:43,760
Speaker 28: when she was He met her outside the Wishy washy

1939
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:46,759
Speaker 28: laundromat the day she moved to Nashville when she was eighteen,

1940
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Speaker 28: and they stayed together for sixty years.

1941
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Speaker 3: He's older than her, isn't he.

1942
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Speaker 28: I'm pretty sure. I'm sure Dolly Partner is not eighty

1943
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:56,479
Speaker 28: two years old. And this song Joline actually was written

1944
01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:58,320
Speaker 28: as kind of a joke about a bank teller who

1945
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Speaker 28: seemed to flirt with him every single time we went

1946
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Speaker 28: to the bank.

1947
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Speaker 3: So there you go, brilliant, nice one. Nance. All right,

1948
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Speaker 3: we'll see them. Everybody. Enjoy your evening. I'm begging of you.

1949
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Speaker 3: Please jump.

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Speaker 23: Julie, Julie, Jolie, Joey, please don't take you even.

1951
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Speaker 29: Though you care.

1952
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Speaker 20: Julie.

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