1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews and the insight. Andrew dickens on 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: early edition with one roof make your property search simple, 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: use talks. 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 2: It'd be. 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 3: Good morning to you, Welcome to the program. Thank you 6 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 3: for choosing us today. Over the next sixty minutes, international 7 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 3: tourist spending has returned to pre COVID levels, but tourism 8 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 3: domestically has dipped. This is according to the latest figures 9 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 3: out of Stats New Zealand. And we're going to talk 10 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 3: to the tourism industry next when Simpeter's has met with 11 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 3: high ranking officials in China. So what is in play? 12 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 3: Andrew Little will be talking to us in ten minutes 13 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 3: time to Matatini has going off and Nicola Willis thinks 14 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 3: it could go global. So how successful has this Kappahaka 15 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 3: festival been? And the power of citizens arrest is not 16 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 3: going down as well as expected with retail, so what 17 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 3: are they worried about. We'll talk about this just before six. 18 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 3: We'll have correspondence from right around New Zealand and around 19 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 3: the world. We're going to America today and news as 20 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 3: it breaks. Plus you can say whatever you like about 21 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 3: whatever you want by giving me a text. The number 22 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 3: is ninety two ninety two or small charge applies. If 23 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 3: you want to write me a longer epistle, you can 24 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 3: send me an email. Dickens at news talk zeb dot 25 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 3: co dot nz. It's eight after. 26 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: Five the agenda. 27 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 3: It's Thursday, the twenty seventh of February. Ukraine's President Voladimiya 28 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 3: Zelensky has confirmed the United States has given no security 29 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: guarantees yet in the proposed mineral deals. Zelensky heads to 30 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 3: the White House this week. He's expected to sign the deal, 31 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 3: but he says it's more of a framework. 32 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 4: I really asked for at least an understanding that we 33 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 4: see this as far of future security guarantees. Therefore, even 34 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 4: in the framework agreement, I really wanted at least a 35 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 4: sentence to appear the guarantees of Ukraine's security, and the 36 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 4: government officials briefed me it has appeared. 37 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has rejected calls for 38 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 3: European peacekeepers to be deployed on Ukrainian soil under the 39 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 3: terms of any peace deal to end the war, and 40 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 3: that you know, might just be a deal breaker. BP 41 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 3: has announced it's going to cut its renewable energy investments 42 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 3: and instead focus on increasing oil and gas production. The 43 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 3: move has been announced after pressure from some investors unhappy 44 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 3: that its profits and share price have been lower than 45 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 3: its rivals. To Australia, where a top radio presenter has 46 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 3: left nationwide radio station Triple M after making comments about 47 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 3: the country's women's football team they called the Matilda's. Marty 48 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 3: Schergeld said on air the players reminded him of Year 49 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 3: ten girls. It implied that their matches were boring. 50 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 5: These comments reflect offensive and outdated ideas about women's football. 51 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 5: They are degrading and demeaning to every woman and girl 52 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 5: who wants to be treated as an equal participant in 53 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 5: society and in sport. 54 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 3: And finally, Donald Trump has shared his vision for the 55 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 3: future of the Gaza Strip in an AI video. It 56 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 3: includes skyscrapers, golden statues of Trump, and dollar bills raining 57 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 3: down upon the children there. And this is the jingle 58 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 3: he used, shame Right, Golden Future, Life the Diner to one. Okay, 59 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 3: it is ten out to five. 60 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: On your radio and online on iHeartRadio Early edition with 61 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens and one roof Make your Property Search Simple, 62 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: Youth Talk said. 63 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 3: Be here's a truism about being a human. Human civilization 64 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 3: is built on energy. The taming of fire and then 65 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: the development of controlled energy release is what pushed on 66 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 3: our progress since the Stone Age when they first set 67 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 3: up a fire and roasted a wilderbeast. Food and water 68 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 3: are important, but without energy, we can't sustain the incredible 69 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 3: human population growth of the last two hundred years and 70 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 3: the cities we have built. So with everything that's going 71 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 3: on around us in New Zealand and our day to 72 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 3: day chatter, it's important to remember that we sit in 73 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 3: an ongoing and long lasting energy crisis. So we know 74 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 3: that eighty five percent of our energy comes from renewables 75 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 3: that's fired on by wind and water, and that's unreliable. Yesterday, 76 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 3: Meridian Energy announced a one hundred and twenty one million 77 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 3: dollar loss caused by last winter's power shortages caused by 78 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 3: empty hydro lakes, and in announcing the result, the CEO 79 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 3: said the company took a hit for New Zealand to 80 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 3: keep us powered up so we can keep making some money. 81 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 3: That's why Genesis Energy announced last week they're importing a 82 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 3: million tons of coal as backup. Today, farmers are being 83 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 3: worn that a late summer drought is imminent. Yes, it's 84 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 3: rained this summer, but the wind has blown drying out 85 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 3: the country. You can see it in your lawn and 86 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 3: Tahlanaki seminars are already being held to prepare farmers for 87 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 3: what has been called a one and fifty year event. 88 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 3: So it's dry, and it's continuing to be dry, and 89 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 3: so the chances of another power crisis this winter are 90 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 3: very high. So for any green minded folk out there, 91 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 3: I need to tell you that the possibility of reducing 92 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 3: our dependence on fossil fuel is a fantasy. Until humankind 93 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 3: invents an energy source that is independent of the rain 94 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 3: and the wind and the sun, we will be constrained 95 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 3: in our ability to grow, no matter what we say 96 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 3: about productivity or economic growth. And can I just say 97 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 3: that is not pessimism, that is the reality of where 98 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 3: we are twelve after five. I've been loathed to criticize 99 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 3: the school lunch program, but come on, Lincoln Heights has 100 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 3: had but a chicken for eleven days out of seventeen. 101 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 3: Just imagine it, not but a chicken again. It was 102 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 3: day nine a Pitipit lunches for Massy Primary School in 103 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 3: West Aukland yesterday, So in an ideal world, we wouldn't 104 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 3: need school lunches. But this is not an ideal world. 105 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 3: School lunches are a staple in England. They were developed 106 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 3: in post war austerity, when basic nutrition was poor the 107 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 3: kids had to be fed. The fact that we believed 108 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 3: we need school lunches in the first place was evidence 109 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 3: of how far we've slipped in terms of caring for 110 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 3: our kids. For whatever reason, we've ended out with people 111 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 3: who can have kids but can't afford to feed them. 112 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 3: So school lunches became a thing. And then David Seymour 113 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 3: thought he could make them better by making them cheaper 114 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 3: by centralizing the production. Can I just note the irony 115 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 3: of that centralizing of production is a bit of a 116 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 3: socialist thing, but it came from David Seymour. But he 117 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 3: promised that his school lunch program would be as good 118 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 3: and probably better. Well it isn't. And that's it. Five 119 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 3: point thirteen. So the tourists are back, good news, but 120 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 3: do they come with a headache. We're going to talk 121 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 3: about the tourism numbers that are starting to pick up 122 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 3: again with a tourism holding CEO grant website. He's with 123 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 3: us in just a few moments time here on News 124 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 3: Talks AB Andrew. 125 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: Dickens on early edition with one roof to make your 126 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,679 Speaker 1: Property search simple Youth Talk. 127 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 3: Zib it is sixteen minutes up to five and finally 128 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 3: some good news for the tourism sector. The tourists are 129 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 3: back and they're spending the big BIS. New data shows 130 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 3: that international tourism expenditure was up fifty nine point nine percent. 131 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 3: They spent sixteen point nine billion dollars in New Zealand. 132 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 3: To give you some sort of comparison, in twenty nineteen, 133 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 3: it was seventeen point two billion, so it's pretty much 134 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 3: back there. The numbers are promising and Tourism Holding CEO 135 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 3: Grant Webster joins me. Now, good morning to your grants. 136 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: Good morning Andrew. 137 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 3: So finally it's happened. What's causing the increase? 138 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 2: Ah, this was the way it's going to happen. You know, 139 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: it's in our DNA on a global basis that we 140 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: want to get out and about and visit the world. 141 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 2: So people look at the opportunity and New Zealand to 142 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 2: an attractive destination. So that coming. 143 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 3: So why is domestic tourism down? 144 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 2: Oh, that's that's just a somewhat be the economy, but 145 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: it's the growth and outbound as well. So just like 146 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: people want to come here, is the number of New 147 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 2: Zealanders want to get back out overseas. So that's understandable. 148 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 3: So how is the tourism industry reacting because there's a 149 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 3: surge of people. 150 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I mean there's something like a fifteen percent 151 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: increase in the number of tourism businesses in that satellite 152 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 2: account information that came out yesterday as well. That's great. 153 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 2: So we're actually attracting more employment. People are seeing as 154 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: an opportunity to start their own business, and so I 155 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 2: think the industry is responding really really well. It's exciting. 156 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 3: Okay. Now, Queenstown civic officials were in the news yesterday. 157 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 3: They're unhappy that the country has moved from high wealth tourists, 158 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 3: which was the labor thing, to what seems to be 159 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 3: mass tourism. Anyone who wants to come here, come on, 160 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 3: everyone must go. They say that approach is unsustainable without 161 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 3: a big infrastructure spend. Do they have a point. 162 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: I think that it's a very small point that's relative 163 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 2: to a few locations at a very short time of 164 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: the year. Now, the reality is New Zealand's expensive. You know, 165 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: our total visitor numbers haven't got back to pre COVID, 166 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 2: but as you said in your opening, we're very close 167 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 2: to total spend, so we're in a spen of destination. 168 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 2: We're already getting high value tourists. That's who comes. People 169 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: who sort of masterism go to different destinations that are 170 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: a lot cheaper. So we're alway getting high value tourists. 171 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 2: And we've got plenty of infrastructure throughout the country that 172 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: can sustain really good growth for a number of years 173 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: to come. So maybe there's some places at peak times 174 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: of the year that need some support and that will come. 175 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 3: That'll come, okay, So what is the industry doing to 176 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 3: support this trend of improvement continuing? And how do you 177 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 3: feel about everyone must go? 178 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 6: Ah? 179 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: So look, it's great to have any kind of campaign 180 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 2: that's going to support the winter tourism business, and that's 181 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 2: what that campaign's targeting. Australia's coming here over the next 182 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 2: short period. We've been breafed of a good event strategy 183 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: for some time, so we haven't had any big events 184 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 2: since over winter, since the FIFA World Cup, so I 185 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: think that's all goods let's go the tagline. Some people 186 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: love it, some people don't by to buy the pointers. 187 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 2: We're out there and we're asking for business, and so 188 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: I think the industry's in behind touris in New Zealand 189 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: and wants to see them do well. 190 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 3: Grab we episode. I thank you for your time today. 191 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 3: Granted is the CEO of Tourism Holdings. G has just 192 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 3: sent me a text and said down in hockey Ticket 193 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 3: at the moment, working man, the places going off people everywhere. 194 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 3: All motels are full and have been all weakened by 195 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 3: the way. The weather's been really great on the West 196 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 3: coast as well. So this is good news. Are the 197 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 3: texts that have arrived. Oh, for goodness sake, we had 198 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 3: sandwiches every day in our school lunches for years, made 199 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 3: by our mother. Beggars can't be choosers. And that's a 200 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: comment I guess about the eleven days of butter chicken 201 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 3: in a row? And when does this restraining law come 202 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 3: into effect? This is the citizens arresting. It will help 203 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 3: supermarkets a lot. Thank you Sarah for your text. We're 204 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 3: going to talk about this just before six o'clock because 205 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 3: retailers are not as happy as you might expect. But 206 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 3: next China, Winston is there, he's been talking to high 207 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 3: ranking officials. So what's on the table and what are 208 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 3: the risks? Andrew Little is joining us next The. 209 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: News This Morning and the In Depth Analysis Early edition 210 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: with Andrew Dickens and one roof Make Your Property Search 211 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: Simple News Talk. 212 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 3: Said, be hey, it's five twenty two. So Winston Peter's 213 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 3: met with China's Foreign minister overnight as those warships in 214 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 3: closer to Australia. They're well into Australia's Exclusive Economic zone 215 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 3: at this point. But New Zealanders and Australians are like 216 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 3: hopeful that Winston has had some words with Chinese officials. 217 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 3: But to give us some sort of insight about what's 218 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 3: happening at that level, I'm joined by former Defense Minister 219 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 3: Andrew Little from the Labor Party. 220 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 7: Hello Andrew, good morning. 221 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 3: So what are the rules around being in an exclusive 222 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 3: economic zone? 223 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 7: Well, as long as they as long as you're in 224 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 7: international waters and you obeying the rules under the United 225 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 7: Nation's Convention on the Law of the Sea, then that's 226 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 7: all fine. They and that's what China is doing. But 227 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 7: there's no question why they are down here and they're 228 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 7: live firing, and all the rest of it is they 229 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 7: are projecting and making it very care to Australia and 230 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 7: New Zealand and no doubt the rest of the pacifics 231 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 7: that they are capable of doing this, that they have 232 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 7: vessels that can come the far and this is about 233 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 7: projecting their military strength that they have at the moment. 234 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 3: Power projection. This is true. How close can the steps 235 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 3: get before they've overstepped. 236 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 7: Once around then the twelve mile zone of twelve miles 237 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 7: or four Then at that point it's expected that there 238 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 7: would be permission and that would be that would be 239 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 7: properly notified in a way That hasn't happened so far. 240 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 7: But at the moment, every indication is that they are 241 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 7: observing the law of the sea. And all we can 242 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 7: already do is observe at the moment. 243 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 3: Okay, So, Wissa Peter's met with Wang Yi, who's China's 244 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 3: foreign minister, last night. We've all seen the releases. You've 245 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 3: been a defense minister. Can you read between the lines 246 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 3: and tell us how successful that meeting was or not. 247 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 7: Yeah, I saw the statement they've released and they've reported 248 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 7: those recorded the issues that were raised. That's the way 249 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 7: these things happen, that the statements tend to be pretty 250 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 7: bland and very polite and all the rest of it. 251 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 7: But I think we can be assured that the issues 252 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 7: were raised, and I expect that mister Peters, as a 253 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 7: long serving foreign minister, done it many times, and who 254 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 7: knows when he would have been pretty forceful I expect 255 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 7: and his representations about that. The way you deal with China, 256 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 7: to make your point is, you know, what you say 257 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,599 Speaker 7: behind closed doors in the room is one thing. The 258 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 7: way you talk about what you said afterwards is a 259 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 7: different thing. That's just the way you keep face with China. 260 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 7: That has more of an impact than sort that the 261 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 7: megaphone diplomacy that we've seen in another case, Well, you're. 262 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 3: Talking about megaphone diplomacy. Acting Prime Minister David Seymour yesterday 263 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 3: had some fairly harsh words for China, and there is 264 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 3: there really a risk in using strong language and domestic 265 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 3: media to define our position, just trying to really take offense. 266 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 7: I mean, China will understand that, you know, politicians of 267 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 7: whatever country, but here in your zin need to speak 268 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 7: to a domestic audience and we'll say those things. I think, however, 269 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 7: they will also expect that when there is a bilateral 270 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 7: dialogue such as the one that Features has been in, 271 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 7: that issues will be raised and it's that's the forum 272 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 7: to have the argument about it. And I think the 273 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 7: I mean, I think the other thing about dealing with 274 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 7: China is understanding that the relationship with China is multi dimensional. 275 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 7: So there is you know, there's the trade relationship, which 276 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 7: is really positive, but there's also what they do and 277 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 7: how they relate to other countries, particularly in our region, 278 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 7: so that isn't protected positive and that's that's we We 279 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 7: just have to navigate that style of relationship with China. 280 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 7: But having having the dialogue is important. Raising INFUSA is important, 281 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 7: but China will understand that politicians have to speak to 282 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 7: a domestic audience as well. 283 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 3: Hekay, Andrew Little and I thank you so much for 284 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 3: your expertise. Andrew is the former Defense Minister and has 285 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 3: talked to China before. And it's now five twenty six. 286 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 3: It's News Talks AB the early. 287 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: Edition full show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talks 288 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: at B. 289 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 3: News Talks at B. Good morning. I'm Andrew Dickinson for 290 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 3: Ryan Bridge. Thank you for choosing us. It is five 291 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 3: twenty eight. So the power of citizens arrest was all 292 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 3: the talk yesterday and I think we all agree that 293 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 3: poor old dairy owners and small retailers who watch rat 294 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 3: bags nicking their stuff need the ability to be able 295 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 3: to detain the thieves. But the announcement came without many details. 296 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 3: The Justice Minister, Paul Goldsworth says the changes will expand 297 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 3: a person's ability to detain someone committing a crime to 298 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 3: any time of the day and over any stolen goods. 299 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 3: So what we've got at the moment citizens arrest can 300 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 3: be made right now, but it can't be made outside 301 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 3: the hours of nine pm to six am unless the 302 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 3: goods being stolen are worth at least one thousand dollars. 303 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 3: And you can make your citizens arrest, but you need 304 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 3: to know your law. You need to know whether the 305 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 3: crime committed is going to attract a custody or sentence 306 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 3: more than three years, and you need to know the 307 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 3: legal definition of reasonable. So when appearing on Ryan Bridges 308 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 3: Show last night, the Minister stammered and under and art 309 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 3: and then stressed it's only a proposal, and he seemed 310 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 3: vague on the rules of engagement, which is what we 311 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 3: all wanted and that is critical information. In other interviews yesterday, 312 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 3: the minister also said the courts will provide guidance as 313 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 3: to the boundaries of the law. So in other words, 314 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 3: he's saying, have a crack and if it all goes 315 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 3: horribly wrong and the shopkeeper ends out in court, well 316 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 3: we'll figure out the rules better. No wonder. Many in 317 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 3: retail say it will change nothing. It is a big 318 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 3: risk taking on a criminal. You'll probably discover they're much 319 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 3: more at home with violence than you are. Already, though, 320 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 3: we've seen shopkeepers defend their shop from robbers with softball 321 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 3: bats and not get into trouble. So does it really help. 322 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 3: We will see when it's written. And at the very least, 323 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 3: I'd like to see a good robust law that enables 324 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 3: shopkeepers to be able to stop customers leaving shops with 325 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 3: stuff in their bag. You may remember the well known 326 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 3: criminal Goalri's garment got away with refusing a bag check. 327 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 3: I hope that sort of thing stops. But so far 328 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 3: the citizens arrest law is I hate to say it, 329 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 3: here comes that phrase. It's a bit of an announcement 330 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 3: of an announcement and it needs a lot more work. 331 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 3: Andrew Dickens, So another artist has canceled their tours in 332 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 3: museum will tell you more about that. I'm I want 333 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 3: to talk to you about Tamatatini. We're going to America. 334 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 3: A bit later on a group of civil servants are 335 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 3: rebelling against Elon Musk And before six we'll talk to 336 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 3: retail about the wall. 337 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: The first word on the News of the Day Early 338 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: edition with Andrew Dickens and one roof Make your Property 339 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: Search and symbol You talk SI me one got see 340 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: one more time? 341 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 3: Idol? 342 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: How if I was taken hold? 343 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 3: Oh, good morning to you, Welcome back to the program. 344 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 3: The man mumbling the song is a man known as Drake. 345 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,959 Speaker 3: Drake is the guy accused of being a pedophile by 346 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 3: Kendrick Lamar in a big hit single and also at 347 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. Drake is due to hold back to 348 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 3: back shows at Spark Arena in Uklands Saturday March fifteenth 349 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 3: and Sunday March sixteenth. Drake has told fans, oh, I 350 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 3: can't make it. I've got a scheduling conflict. Two weeks 351 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 3: out from the concert. People have booked tickets from all 352 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 3: around New Zealand to fly and planes to get up 353 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 3: to this concert. People in Auckland have bought very expensive 354 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 3: tickets as well. They're waiting for it. This is becoming 355 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 3: a little bit too familiar. But at the same time 356 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 3: this is all on Drake. Drake hates New Zealand. There 357 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 3: I said it, hey and more entertainment news. All online 358 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 3: tickets for the final day of Tamatatini Festival have sold out. 359 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 3: There will be no gate sales available. This is the 360 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 3: big kapahaka thing happening in Taiwanaki. The bowl of Brooklyn's 361 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 3: and New Plymouth, where the festival is being held, holds 362 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 3: fifteen thousand people. It is full. You can still see 363 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 3: it on TV, Mardi TV and TV and Z two 364 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 3: and online MARLDI plus and TV and Z plus and 365 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 3: around the country. The festival is bringing ewe together in 366 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 3: the hometowns. Nati Fatu is hosting fan zones in Auckland, 367 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 3: dudes and performances and you can watch the event on 368 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 3: a big screen. This thing is going off right absolutely 369 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 3: fall on Saturday. I don't know if you've ever been 370 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 3: to it, to Matatini. I've been to one. It's astounding. 371 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 3: Nikola Wurs went to this one and came out raving 372 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 3: about the whole thing and said this thing should go global. 373 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 3: So make it one of your resolutions in the future. 374 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 3: When to Matatini comes near, you have a crack and 375 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 3: well done to the organizers. It is our twenty two 376 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 3: to six dickades around the country. We go Callen Procter 377 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 3: joins us Fromdunedin. How THEO callum warning Andrew. So the 378 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 3: trial continues for our fourteen year old accused of murder. 379 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 8: Ye look, this trial began yesterday here in Dunedin's High Court. 380 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 8: Sixteen year old and Nardie maclan McLaren tanner excuse me, 381 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 8: died of a single stab wound at the Great King 382 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 8: Street bus hub here last May. The boy accused Whati's 383 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 8: thirteen at the time. He's fourteen. Now He's pleaded not 384 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 8: guilty to his murder. He says he was acting in 385 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 8: self defense so used today on the first day of 386 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 8: the Crown prosecutors says that McLaren Tannah told the boy 387 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 8: to pull his socks down and made a derogatory remark 388 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 8: while walking past them. He says the boy pulled the finger, 389 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 8: yelled back and then swung a kitchen knife at McLaren Taner. 390 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 8: A CCTV footage of the stabbing was shown to the 391 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 8: jury yesterday. The trials set down for. 392 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 3: Three weeks horrific. How's your weather? 393 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 8: It's mostly fine in twenty one today thank you. 394 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 3: Calum Claire Sherwood from Christiach Hello, Hello, you can get 395 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 3: back into the Christchurch Cathedral. 396 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 9: Yes again, Andrew Look, Cantabrian's will have the opportunity to 397 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 9: spend some time within our cathedral, despite of course, the 398 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 9: restoration works officially at a standstill. News talk s head 399 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 9: Beacon today reveal the Reinstatement Group has been issued another 400 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 9: certificate of public use. 401 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 6: For this year. 402 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 9: That will mean that they can continue to host some 403 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 9: short term visits inside the building, which is now stabilized. 404 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 9: These visits will be under a very strict health and 405 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 9: safety management plan that includes some public tours that they're 406 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 9: planning as part of our Open christ Church Festival which 407 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 9: happens here in May. Chairman of the RST Statement Group, 408 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 9: Mark Stewart has also said that the keeping restoration funding 409 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 9: conversations alive with various different parties despite a reduction to 410 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 9: one point eight full time equivalent staff. 411 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 3: Now, if you're out and about today, how's the weather, 412 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 3: I'm a bit cloudy around here. 413 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 9: Easterly is developing a high of twenty. 414 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 3: And I thank you, Max told, joins us from Wellington, halimex, 415 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 3: good morning. Bus fares are on the rise. Yeah. 416 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 10: Bus rides in the city could be about to get 417 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 10: more expensive, particularly at off peak times, quite significantly as well. 418 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 10: The Regional Council today to decide whether to take off 419 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 10: peak adult fairs from two dollars twenty two to three 420 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 10: dollars seventeen around the city, boosting child fairs by forty 421 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 10: three percent as well in off peak times to a 422 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 10: dollar sixty a. Peak fairs also expected to rise by 423 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 10: but not by nearly as much. We're talking cents rather 424 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 10: than dollars. Why inflation cost pressures the usual from Metlink, 425 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 10: Regional Council's Transports Thomas Nash, also blaming reduced government funding. 426 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 3: Sah, that's a big word. How's you wear that? Four letters? 427 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 10: But mostly fine after a cloudy starts some scattered drizzle 428 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 10: further north. Mid twenties. 429 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 3: Never read about who, joins us from Walkanhella. Never our readings. 430 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 3: So which councilors are going for reelection and who aren't? 431 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 11: Yes, let's talk about local elections. 432 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 12: So what we do know? 433 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 11: Andrew five Auckland councilors they're going to be running in 434 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 11: this year's local elections. One is ruled out running others. 435 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 11: They're keeping pretty tight lived about it. So news talks, 436 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 11: he'd be asked every sitting counselor what are your plans? 437 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 11: What are you going to do this year? 438 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 2: So what we do know? 439 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 11: Morris Williamson, Julie Ferry, Andy Baker, Shane Henderson can turn 440 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 11: it now. 441 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 3: They're all having a go. 442 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 11: Angela Dalton, she's the only counselor who was ruled out 443 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 11: run Mike Lee Desley Simpson there yet to make a decision, 444 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 11: and as we well know, faux ward counselor that's Karen Leone. 445 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 11: She's focusing all her efforts. This is on her mirror run. 446 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 11: So the remaining councilors they didn't respond before deadline. 447 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 3: Right now, how's the weather? 448 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 11: The weather well partly cloudy, isolated, Charles clearing becoming fine, 449 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 11: another muggy one twenty five the high and. 450 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 3: No thank you, I thank you. It is now eighteen 451 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 3: minutes to six. Were off to America in just a 452 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 3: few moments time with our correspondent Mitch here's the story 453 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 3: out of America. They saw a bruise on Donald Trump's 454 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 3: hand and everyone said, ah, he might be unwell. Was 455 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 3: it an IV mark? This was all noticed during a 456 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 3: recent meeting with Emmanuel Macron, the French President. The White 457 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 3: House though, has said it's a result of handshaking, and 458 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 3: as spokespeople have taken on his habit of aggrandizing, and 459 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 3: they claim that President Trump has shaken more hands than 460 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 3: any other president in history, and that's probably true. So 461 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 3: Mitch mccanner's next, as we talk America here on News 462 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 3: Talks here b it's seventeen to. 463 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: Six international correspondence with ends and eye Insurance, Peace of 464 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: mind for New Zealand business. 465 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 3: So I think it's probably true that President Trump has 466 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 3: shaken more hands than any other president in history in 467 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 3: that period of time, that initial time. Now the Texas 468 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 3: says President Trump has probably signed more documents than any 469 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 3: other president, and that might be true as well. Let's 470 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 3: go to America. Mitch McCann, good morning to you. Andrew, 471 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 3: Good morning, how are you good. We have a group 472 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 3: of civil servants who are rebelling against Elon Musk and Doge. Yeah, 473 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:17,239 Speaker 3: that's right. 474 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 12: Elon Musk this morning is actually joining Donald Trump and 475 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 12: the White House Cabinet for the first photo op of 476 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 12: the year. That's despite Elon Musk not even being a 477 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 12: member of the cabinet. And it comes and been more 478 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 12: scrutiny over his role in the government and this Department 479 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 12: of Government Efficiency known as DOGE. Now, this is the 480 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 12: group spearheading the mass layoffs of tens of thousands of 481 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 12: government workers. Now twenty one government workers, mostly IT and 482 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 12: computer specialists have now resigned in protest started their jobs 483 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 12: were folded into the department. They'll pin this open letter 484 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 12: refusing to quote use the technical expertise to compromise core 485 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 12: government systems and jepandize American sensitive data. And right down 486 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 12: here in the US, a huge amount of scrutiny being 487 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 12: leveled at Elon Musk over what role he's actually playing 488 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 12: in the government, how much sensitive data he has access to, 489 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 12: and whether or not all these layoffs are actually justified. 490 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,479 Speaker 3: All right, have we got measles in Texas? 491 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 12: Yeah, that's right. This is the first death being reported 492 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 12: now after an outbreak of measles that started late last 493 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,239 Speaker 12: month in rural Texas. The outbreak in West Texas has 494 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 12: grown to one hundred and twenty four cases across nine counties, 495 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 12: and there are nine cases in New Mexico as well. 496 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 12: And we found this interesting. One of the counties with 497 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 12: eighty cases has one of the highest rates of school 498 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 12: age children who have opted outs of one of the 499 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 12: required vaccines. So a story to watch there in Texas. 500 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 12: And just some breaking news I'm seeing now, Andrew. This 501 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 12: US Russia meeting between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin is 502 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 12: reportedly going to take place on the twenty seventh or 503 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 12: in the coming days in Istanbul. So that's somebody keep 504 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 12: an eye in as well, these negotiations to see how 505 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 12: this peace steal is going to happen in Ukraine. 506 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 3: Great stuff mentioned, and I thank you so much at 507 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 3: stan Bull consent to Nople. This song just just leaped 508 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 3: into my head. Further US news, by the way, President 509 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,719 Speaker 3: Trump has announced a gold card visa program. Sound familiar. 510 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 3: You'll get your gold card visa if you willing to 511 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 3: pay about five million dollars. He said, anyone can go 512 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 3: for it. As long as they're wealthy, they're going to 513 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 3: be welcomed. He was asked about Russian oligarchs, he said, 514 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 3: I know some very nice ones. It is twelve to 515 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 3: six Andrew Dickens, all Right, the big story yesterday was 516 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 3: the announcement of citizens arrests, and we thought retailers would 517 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 3: love them, but a lot of retailers came out and 518 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 3: they did not seem to be on board with the 519 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 3: government's proposed changes to the citizen arrest laws. You can 520 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 3: still do it now, but it's pretty pretty difficult. And 521 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 3: now the new proposal is to allow citizens to intervene 522 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 3: and stop any crimes act offense at any time of 523 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 3: the day and allowing them to detain alleged offenders and 524 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 3: to use restraints. So retailers that came out yesterday and 525 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 3: they we're concerned that this will end up actually increasing 526 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,719 Speaker 3: crime and putting staff at risk. As I'm joined now 527 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 3: by Retail New Zealand chief executive Carolyn Young. 528 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 6: Hello, Carolyn, Well, Emma, how are you this morning? 529 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 3: I'm very well. What's your problem with it? 530 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 6: Look, the challenge with this is that retailers are not 531 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 6: trained to deal with law enforcement issues, which is what 532 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 6: we're talking about. When you've most well, any training that 533 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 6: you never see around retail from specialist training providers are 534 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 6: always talking about how you remain calm. You don't. You 535 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 6: don't engage in with inwardly with the alleged defenders in 536 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 6: your store. You don't physically engage with them. You keep 537 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 6: a safe distance. You try and get nails the store 538 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 6: as soon as possible. What retailers want to be able 539 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 6: to do is to be able to legally be able 540 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 6: to ask to get the stop back. All of our 541 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 6: members have told us they don't want to be able 542 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 6: to do that in a physical way. They want to 543 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 6: be able to get people out of their premises and 544 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 6: they want to be able to trespass them with the 545 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 6: law that's got some teeth in it, so that they 546 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 6: be able to return to their store again and create harm. 547 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 6: Actually physically engaging with something, it's not something that retailers do. 548 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 6: You know, it's an extremely dangerous thing. You don't know. 549 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 6: Is somebody on medication? Are they on drugs? Do they 550 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 6: have a hidden weapon. A lot of retail workers are 551 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 6: quite young. You know a lot of people that work 552 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 6: on shop floors. Many of us have had our first 553 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 6: jobs in retail. You don't have the life experience or 554 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 6: the knowledge around how you want to engage in that 555 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 6: sort of space, and we fear that it will create 556 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 6: a situation where if an offender thinks that they might 557 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 6: be a physically approached and restraint, that they will come 558 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 6: and armed with more expansive weapons. We'll see more knives 559 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 6: or their guns, all of those sorts of things. 560 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 3: But this is really actually I caught it an announcement 561 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 3: of an announcement, because this is an announcement of a proposal. 562 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 3: It was there needed to be a lot more clarification 563 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 3: about what is meant by detaining and what is meant 564 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 3: by using restraints, in fact, what is meant by the 565 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 3: entire law. So obviously it's going to Select Committee. Obviously 566 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 3: it's going to be debated, So you're going to have 567 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 3: the opportunity to go there and eyeball Justice Minister Paul 568 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 3: Goldsmith and make these changes, aren't you. 569 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 6: We'll certainly be making a strong submission about this, and 570 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 6: we know that in legislation and case or already there's 571 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 6: you know, it's already defined what reasonable force looks like. 572 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 6: And when you're talking about restraints, we know that they're 573 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 6: talking about mechanical restraints, so you're talking about handcuffs and 574 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 6: or something like cable ties and things like that. So 575 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 6: you know, we know a lot about what they're already 576 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 6: talking about, and you know, retail just isn't set up 577 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 6: to be detaining offenders in store. 578 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, and one of the parties that came out and 579 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 3: weren't full bore into it was supermarkets, which we everyone 580 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 3: was a bit surprised at because we've all seen people 581 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 3: waltz out of supermarkets with stuff. But as they said, 582 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 3: they've already got their security guards, they've already got all 583 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 3: the same concerns that you have about the whole process. 584 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 3: So you know, the point is, shouldn't retailers be working 585 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 3: together to actually sort themselves out without the help of 586 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 3: the government. 587 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,959 Speaker 6: So we are absolutely working together around what we need 588 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 6: to do to prevent retail crime, and our focus is 589 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 6: on prevention and keeping people safe. Every business has to 590 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 6: comply to the health and safety regulations, and if you're 591 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 6: putting staff potentially in harm's way by having to engage 592 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 6: with an alleged defender in store, then you're not going 593 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 6: to be able to comply with health and safety regulation. 594 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 6: So you're going to be in lots of trouble with 595 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 6: the Labor Department. So, you know, preventive measures like facial 596 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 6: recognition technology where you can. You're identifying prior offenders in 597 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 6: your store and ensuring that they don't come in store. 598 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 6: Really ways to keep staff and customers safe. We know 599 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 6: that in retail and specifically if you're thinking about social markets, 600 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 6: between thirty five and fifty percenters offenders are recipibus offenders, 601 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 6: so they're coming back time and time again. Facial recognition 602 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 6: and stop them coming in the door. So the goose 603 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 6: of technology moving forward, it's really important. 604 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 3: Carolyn, I thank you so much. Carolyn Young is the 605 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 3: Retail New Zealand chief executive and yes she does have 606 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 3: a mandate to speak on behalf of retailers. And a 607 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 3: textas says, the minister clearly said yesterday the citizen arrest 608 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 3: law was for dairy owners. Yes, but there was no 609 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 3: detail on how it would actually work. And he said that, 610 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 3: he said we're about to talk about this, so we're 611 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 3: talking about it. It is now seven minutes to six. 612 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: Get ahead of the headlines on early edition Andrew Dickens 613 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: and one Room to make your property search simple. News talks, 614 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: it'd be. 615 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 3: Five to six. Thank you for a text. Ninety two 616 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 3: ninety two small charge applies. Steve says, these new self 617 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 3: defense laws are great. This retail spokesperson is being hysterical. 618 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 3: Most shop listeners can be detained. I've seen it. I've 619 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 3: detained them myself. I'm trained in jiu jitsu and I 620 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 3: don't have a problem doing it. Well done, Steve, and 621 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 3: you're right you can make a citizen's arrest right now. 622 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 3: But it's legally fraught. And of course I'm glad that 623 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 3: you know that about the laws because as I understand 624 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 3: it as a proposal and the laws are well long 625 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 3: way from being fine. Eyes mean, while Liam Lawson's driving 626 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 3: quite fast. Make yeah it's spun, but most of them 627 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 3: have Antonelli. Interestingly enough, and there's the name you want 628 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 3: to watch this year. He's posted the fastest time so far. 629 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 3: The big news is they had a power cut so 630 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 3: they got an extended period of time. This is day 631 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 3: one to BEF one testing. So Aston Martin's got problems. 632 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 3: Lewis had some problems, but he seems he's got all 633 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 3: of tomorrow. He's going to be in the cow all 634 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 3: of tomorrow, so to get some laps. He's there or 635 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 3: there about. But that Antonelli feller, you know, they were 636 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 3: talking about him actually getting up into the big ranks 637 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 3: before Liam last year. So you know, this is all 638 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 3: very interesting. Hey, and the Herald reckons that the Warriors 639 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 3: are going to come second to last. 640 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 13: The well, that's the Morning Herald in Sydney and they've 641 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 13: got them with seven wins for the whole season and 642 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 13: they've gone through it's worth reading in the sense they've 643 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 13: gone through each and every round and said here is 644 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 13: where we're going to lose and why we're going to lose. 645 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 13: And so basically what they're saying is we know better 646 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,239 Speaker 13: now than we were last year. 647 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, no, no, no. 648 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 13: The good news is they're. 649 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 3: Wrong because it's our year. Because it is our year. 650 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 13: And funnily enough, we've got Andrew Webster on the program 651 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 13: in Vegas after eight o'clock this morning, who I'm pretty 652 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 13: sure is going to confirm indeed, why aren't you there? 653 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 10: It is our year? 654 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 2: You know what? 655 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 13: Well, one, because I've got a job, but team more importantly, 656 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 13: I think it's a distraction. 657 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 3: I wouldn't I will ask you for Vegas, baby. Yeah, exactly. 658 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 13: There's a lot If you're a young Warrior, you know 659 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 13: you're concentrating on the game, are you're having a good time? 660 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 13: And so that would be a real thing for a coach. 661 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 6: Anyway. 662 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 3: He's with this after a very good stuff. My name 663 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 3: is Andrew Dickons like to thank I might producer ken 664 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 3: Zy and they set up staff. He worked late last 665 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 3: night and I'll be back again tomorrow and have yourself 666 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 3: a great day. 667 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge, listen live 668 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: to News Talks it be from five am weekdays, or 669 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.