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Speaker 2: Hello on the front put back, will you again? Cricket
Speaker 2: season might have come to an end, but we don't
Speaker 2: come to an end.
Speaker 4: What have we got for you this week?
Speaker 2: Does the black Caps coaching framework need changing? Are there
Speaker 2: too many back up coaches on tour?
Speaker 5: Even?
Speaker 4: Is it coach needed?
Speaker 2: Is it more mentor or scratit distrole?
Speaker 4: The eighteen have.
Speaker 2: The best offseason option for some time to prepare for
Speaker 2: the future. Remember this recalled some outstanding batting from fifty
Speaker 2: three years ago. England cricket gets another knighthood. Boy, they've
Speaker 2: got a few. We've just got one and we celebrate
Speaker 2: Joanna Child Why Jeremy.
Speaker 4: She's a sixty four year.
Speaker 2: Old who debuted for Portugal in the T twenty against Norway.
Speaker 2: Becoming the second oldest player to do so. I hope
Speaker 2: I'm able to play cricket when I turned sixty four.
Speaker 3: Ye, well, she's youth, doesn't she.
Speaker 6: I mean, we're going to give her a bit more time,
Speaker 6: surely to get into a shop making.
Speaker 3: How did she get on? They were playing.
Speaker 6: Norway, weren't they I always follow those games.
Speaker 4: Yes, I missed it.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately it wasn't on the internet. She played three matches
Speaker 2: in most this is my sort of form. She's scored
Speaker 2: two runs in the first game, old four balls in
Speaker 2: the second match, but didn't take a work at And
Speaker 2: do you want to know something.
Speaker 4: Else about a Peter hollidays with us again?
Speaker 2: This was her first recorded competitive appearance at the age
Speaker 2: of sixty four, playing for Portugal.
Speaker 5: Excellent. Did she break down in her over because she
Speaker 5: only bowled?
Speaker 4: I think the game might have been won by or having.
Speaker 3: She kept shortening a run up?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean sixty four. I mean, that's that's quite
Speaker 5: plucky from Joanna really, And as the saying goes, better
Speaker 5: late than never.
Speaker 2: Indeed, But I think though the sort of performances we
Speaker 2: need to celebrate, because you know, I'm pushing sixty four
Speaker 2: as as you two guys are and you know we
Speaker 2: we're probably thinking about retirement rather than playing anymore.
Speaker 7: At this stage, I couldn't think of anything worse than
Speaker 7: going on to a cricket field and embarrassing myself, probably
Speaker 7: ripping a hamstring off the back of the leg or something,
Speaker 7: and then.
Speaker 3: Just walking out, just walking.
Speaker 5: United States States. That bus has left the station for
Speaker 5: many of us.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and for the first time ever. That's the
Speaker 2: most amazing part. You'd never played any computive frigate. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm Joanna, we love your works.
Speaker 5: On that point, it got me to thinking, who are
Speaker 5: some of those older, oldest debutantes? And I was reminded
Speaker 5: from reading the Don Bradman Book for Boys or whatever
Speaker 5: it was, of Bert Ironmonger, who debut at the age
Speaker 5: of forty five years in nineteen twenty eight, went on
Speaker 5: to play thirteen tests. But he wasn't the oldest. There
Speaker 5: was James Southerton forty nine years old in eighteen seventy six.
Speaker 5: Even so there it just it just yeah, back in
Speaker 5: the olden days they could.
Speaker 6: Play a bit later, who who was our oldest? Most
Speaker 6: Seeing you've gone into this in some depths, I.
Speaker 5: Went down a rabbit hole, as they say, and it
Speaker 5: was it.
Speaker 4: Was a batman.
Speaker 5: Yes, it was a person called mcgurr who.
Speaker 6: Was ah Herb Herb and who knows his middle name?
Speaker 6: I'm the only one probably it's a musical. It's a
Speaker 6: musical name.
Speaker 3: Hm h M.
Speaker 6: McGirr played in the nineteen twenty seven Mozart Good guess
Speaker 6: no Mendelssohn. Mendelssohn, Yeah, Herbert Mendelssohn. Gosh, you jump out
Speaker 6: of your little crib, wouldn't you if you when you
Speaker 6: heard that? Ridiculous?
Speaker 3: Yes, but he was. He was a bowler.
Speaker 6: I think his dad actually played for Wellington Wadds. You
Speaker 6: better get that out. Yeah, he was an opening bowler.
Speaker 6: I think in the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 3: He wasn't bad. Actually he played.
Speaker 6: Against I think he played a couple of Tests in
Speaker 6: the thirties, didn't he didn't he moose?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I think he got a fifty odd in that match.
Speaker 6: And he was an opening bowler as well. And he
Speaker 6: went in the twenty seven tour, which was Tom Lowery's team.
Speaker 6: Our first side to go to England. Took the may
Speaker 6: just to go on the boat, didn't it. They set
Speaker 6: off from about March and arrived in sort of May.
Speaker 6: At some stage they had to go across the states.
Speaker 6: They landed in San Francisco, had to go across the
Speaker 6: states to New York and then catch a boat, the
Speaker 6: SS Majestic it was called, and went to Southampton and
Speaker 6: played I think.
Speaker 3: They played I forget the name of the team wads.
Speaker 6: You remember it was the first game they played at
Speaker 6: Lord's and that was a kind of an educational tour.
Speaker 6: How good are we? Can you teach us anything? And
Speaker 6: they did extremely well. Some good players, you know, Cess
Speaker 6: Daker got lots of runs. Stewie Dempster was in that team.
Speaker 6: Jack Mills, the opener, was in that side. Tom Lowry,
Speaker 6: that big guy used to wear the hat and he
Speaker 6: was a k Ken James was the keeper and Bill
Speaker 6: Merritt was selected on that side the youngest player eighteen
Speaker 6: years old, fooled everybody and got over one hundred wickets
Speaker 6: on the tour. Fantastic stuff, really, once you get into
Speaker 6: those stories, they really are.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And marriages lasted a lot longer in those days,
Speaker 2: didn't they. I'm off for eight months on a cricket tour, Darling,
Speaker 2: we'll leaven The more serious matters. I'm wanting to know
Speaker 2: whether the black Caps coaching setup is suitable for purpose
Speaker 2: at the moment, or is the change that we talked
Speaker 2: about last week and the possibility that Gary Stead might
Speaker 2: move on to other jobs for New Zealand Cricket a
Speaker 2: major way of changing things we reckon mosters Gary Stead?
Speaker 2: Would he be the ideal man to take on this
Speaker 2: high performance role that has been vacated by Brian Stronik
Speaker 2: and we look for other coaches to spread around the team.
Speaker 4: Do we need two coaches?
Speaker 5: Do we need a high performance role? Would be a
Speaker 5: question I'd ask, But that's probably somewhat moot. I noticed
Speaker 5: that Gary staid he's been a seven seven years. I
Speaker 5: believe that's probably your end of view tenure. I think
Speaker 5: it's white noise when you're talking. I think definitely time
Speaker 5: to move on. I noticed that he's got a bit
Speaker 5: of an each way bet going by, suggesting that he
Speaker 5: might like to hold keep the red ball cricket, probably
Speaker 5: while he's trying to search out and see if we
Speaker 5: can get a franchise, gig or something. But I'm of
Speaker 5: the views that yes, we do need to change, not
Speaker 5: because necessarily criticism of Stead but change is probably good now,
Speaker 5: fresh eyes probably very important. My thoughts would be that
Speaker 5: it should be the od I fifty over and red
Speaker 5: ball go to one coach and then a specialist twenty
Speaker 5: twenty coach, because I think that vastly different games now,
Speaker 5: And that would be my thoughts, because increasingly the twenty
Speaker 5: twenty is getting getting I'll probably play more of that
Speaker 5: we play anything else, So that would be Those would
Speaker 5: be my thoughts, and I would love it. I mean,
Speaker 5: there are the standards out there of players like ron Key,
Speaker 5: and I see Rob Walter is possibly going to be
Speaker 5: available and so on. But I'd love to see if
Speaker 5: Gillespie still around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he turned down the option, you know, and
Speaker 2: I might change his mind. Something counted against him because
Speaker 2: he gave up the Pakistan job very early too, didn't he.
Speaker 4: But it's a new era, Jerrea, isn't it.
Speaker 2: We're starting to develop new players, and instead has had
Speaker 2: a hand in that in terms of the development of players.
Speaker 2: So what Moose says is probably a fair point.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I tend to agree with the lengths of time.
Speaker 6: I think after seven years, you know, it's how do
Speaker 6: you continue as a coach to grow and supply new
Speaker 6: ideas and ways of doing things, and growing a player
Speaker 6: and taking him to the next level and hearing things
Speaker 6: that they haven't already heard. My gut tells me, if
Speaker 6: you haven't done that in seven years, the chances of
Speaker 6: your doing it in the eighth and the ninth and
Speaker 6: the tenth years are fairly slim. And so you know,
Speaker 6: while you but you still hold a lot of intellectual
Speaker 6: sort of knowledge and personal knowledge, which I think was
Speaker 6: Bracewell's point. Wasn't it about trying to keep someone like
Speaker 6: you know, Gary Stead in the mix if you can,
Speaker 6: and maybe look at it, maybe Brian Stronix, but I
Speaker 6: don't know. I don't know his job description. But maybe
Speaker 6: a director of cricket I don't But you know, there's
Speaker 6: more time to oversee the development side perhaps and to keep.
Speaker 3: A hand, a steering hand on things that are happening.
Speaker 6: I mean, he seems to me to be a good
Speaker 6: worker and that might be something that certainly he could
Speaker 6: provide for New Zealand cricket. As far as do we
Speaker 6: need specialists, well, most sides seem to have got him
Speaker 6: now wards, haven't they. There wouldn't be many sides without
Speaker 6: a coach nowadays. I think Stead has kind of removed
Speaker 6: himself from the day to day This is what the
Speaker 6: reverse sweepers fellas. You know, he's taking a much broader
Speaker 6: scope about the you know, and you talked about a
Speaker 6: strategist and I think that's much more his kind of
Speaker 6: role nowadays. And so, you know, I think maybe it
Speaker 6: would be nice if we could get another one whether
Speaker 6: whether you know, two coaches.
Speaker 3: Some people don't like.
Speaker 6: That, and you'd certainly perhaps you know, you could lack
Speaker 6: cohesion between the two, and therefore you and players are
Speaker 6: hearing mixed messages. But you know, coaches have different priorities
Speaker 6: and importance of attack. And another one says, no, let's
Speaker 6: be more measured about the way we play. The communication
Speaker 6: between the two, would you know, have to be important
Speaker 6: but not over consuming, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: But we've used other ones rang and a Heirath. We've
Speaker 6: used Ian Bell for batting, sir claim mushtag, haven't we?
Speaker 6: And that's been very useful.
Speaker 2: How much coaching, though most is done during a season,
Speaker 2: isn't that done at the build up to the season,
Speaker 2: when you're getting your game ready for a season? I
Speaker 2: know there's no build ups. Now they played twelve months
Speaker 2: of the year. But how much coaching do you do
Speaker 2: or you as a player domestic cricket, Jerry as an
Speaker 2: international player, did you have somebody that you spoke to
Speaker 2: when you're facing a problem? How do I sort this
Speaker 2: problem out? You know Martin Crowe had his schoolboy coach
Speaker 2: and he was his name.
Speaker 4: Harold Whitcombe.
Speaker 2: That's correct, yes, And how much coaching would you need
Speaker 2: to do for Martin Crowe or Caine Williamson?
Speaker 3: Now, well, I would have thought, I mean when we played.
Speaker 6: Of course, we didn't have a coach until Glenn Turner
Speaker 6: arrived in nineteen eighty five. Until then it was very
Speaker 6: much up to ourselves as players and talking to other players,
Speaker 6: some of them have pointed out had little mentors I
Speaker 6: would have sought today if you wanted to not have
Speaker 6: those people there. Then the technology has enabled communication with
Speaker 6: videos and just the way you guys are talking now,
Speaker 6: you see, I mean, I'm sending out sort of signals
Speaker 6: smoke signals to you guys from here. But but you know,
Speaker 6: it's possible to be in touch, isn't it, even though
Speaker 6: you're off site. I mean, you would miss things like
Speaker 6: you know, not getting the crowd and the heat and
Speaker 6: the practice conditions, and the travel and the food and
Speaker 6: the sleep and so on. You wouldn't know about that
Speaker 6: so much. But as far as if you have your
Speaker 6: person that you're talking to, it is possible to be
Speaker 6: in touch.
Speaker 3: Surely.
Speaker 5: I think by the time you get to international level,
Speaker 5: do you need a coach? I don't think you do it,
Speaker 5: because if you want, your ability will have got you
Speaker 5: there and you will have been in still with it. Also,
Speaker 5: from what I gather these days is that every young
Speaker 5: kid now has a coach, private coaches. There's a preponderance
Speaker 5: of them from all accounts, so they're getting lots of
Speaker 5: coaching from the young age upwards. The main thing I
Speaker 5: believe around it is actually it's more what's going on
Speaker 5: in your head, and that's where the coaching probably is required,
Speaker 5: which is more the strategies or or giving people the
Speaker 5: environment in order how to succeed, to to create team
Speaker 5: cultures and all those sorts of things. That's the fundamental piece,
Speaker 5: not when not not not when you you know, de
Speaker 5: picked about upright, and do you bring it down down correct?
Speaker 5: So those I think those things, there's technical things are
Speaker 5: less important, although they do crop up. And I remember
Speaker 5: Ross Tyler, I think, was having difficulties at one point
Speaker 5: and went to Martin Crow and fixed it up. But
Speaker 5: that's that's at the margin, I think. So the work
Speaker 5: of a coach is sort of an interesting thing, and
Speaker 5: having four or five of them on any any given
Speaker 5: touring party just seems and they over here perhaps not
Speaker 5: always necessary, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they make the team photo.
Speaker 2: You know, you've got to have an aerial shot to
Speaker 2: get the full team photo these days, don't you, because
Speaker 2: it's fifteen players but twenty two coaches or.
Speaker 5: Advice, Well, you do need someone to put the cones
Speaker 5: out and pick the balls up and the dog front. Yeah, yep,
Speaker 5: correctly if you connect the dog for us. But I mean,
Speaker 5: I'm making light of it, but in fact, hey, it's
Speaker 5: wonderful if you've got all of that. I mean, some
Speaker 5: of us when we were playing, our biggest problems were
Speaker 5: just absence of ability and you can't change that, whereas
Speaker 5: these guys have got plenty of it.
Speaker 6: And the thing is, though, guys, haven't we reached a
Speaker 6: sort of a stage that now the focus is on professionalism,
Speaker 6: and not just in cricket but throughout all sports and
Speaker 6: lots of other things. And so what happens is the
Speaker 6: game is generally deconstructed and broken down into the different
Speaker 6: skills that there are, and there are specialists that are
Speaker 6: hired to advise and assist players to improve in those areas.
Speaker 6: I just feel that's quite a now, I mean, that
Speaker 6: can be useful. You're right to ask the questions, I think,
Speaker 6: because I think that's easy to accumulate more and more
Speaker 6: and more and more around you, and the players then
Speaker 6: start to stop thinking about their games and they rely
Speaker 6: on other people and slips of paper coming under the
Speaker 6: door at night when you prepare for the next game.
Speaker 6: And so that's a bit of a danger, it thinks
Speaker 6: to I think.
Speaker 5: You picked on the use of some specialists at certain
Speaker 5: points which were boarding from local territories, like was it
Speaker 5: here from Sri Lanka? That has real merit because if
Speaker 5: I'm a spinner bowling spin in New Zealand is quite
Speaker 5: different thing from what it would be or or Sri Lanka.
Speaker 5: You know at what pace, what speed, what's my length?
Speaker 5: All of those things become really important, and that's where
Speaker 5: you get the benefit of that intellectual property, if you will,
Speaker 5: from the local specialists I think that's really valuable. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, it's something that we need to look at
Speaker 2: and I'm sure over the next few weeks, even months,
Speaker 2: when Gary Stead's job is completed, we will find that out.
Speaker 2: There's not much for them to do at the moment
Speaker 2: in terms of a New Zealand team because they're all
Speaker 2: heading off to various contracts. What there is to do, though,
Speaker 2: is a coach is needed for a New Zealand A side. Now,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't believe the fun I've had trying to find
Speaker 2: out this New Zealand A side. New Zealand Cricket media
Speaker 2: person told me yesterday that the team is being named
Speaker 2: on the twenty eighth of April and they're leaving on
Speaker 2: the first of May for Bangladesh, which makes it a
Speaker 2: very tight schedule. Now, whether or not the team has
Speaker 2: been named, I don't know, but I've spoken to three
Speaker 2: players who are already in it and it hasn't been
Speaker 2: revealed publicly.
Speaker 4: I can't work out the reason.
Speaker 2: If you've got a team going to the Bangladesh and
Speaker 2: South Africa, why don't you just get it out there
Speaker 2: and celebrate it and let these guys have their name
Speaker 2: put it forward.
Speaker 4: But it's going to contain a crop of developing players.
Speaker 5: Jerry.
Speaker 2: I've sent a list of names to There's some good
Speaker 2: players in that list that have had good seasons of
Speaker 2: first class cricket and it's great that they're getting this opportunity.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I received the list was by Horseback and it's
Speaker 6: an interesting group of players, isn't it.
Speaker 3: My first thought when I saw.
Speaker 6: It was, of course that it was a developmental side,
Speaker 6: not so much what I would call an a team.
Speaker 6: There were no Henry Cooper's Tom Bruce he might be
Speaker 6: overseas at the moment. There was no Jacob Dahee overseas,
Speaker 6: No age As Patel that you know, Brett Randell, that
Speaker 6: side that beat Australia in two matches in Australia a
Speaker 6: couple of years ago. They just Dean Foxcroft is not there.
Speaker 6: Doug Bracewell is not there. So it is very much
Speaker 6: a developmental side. And whether that's come from the Pakistan
Speaker 6: the recent series and the performance that some of our
Speaker 6: younger players had and the confidence therefore has grown in
Speaker 6: them to be, you know, selecting a side like this,
Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't whether they're selecting a different
Speaker 6: side to play South Africa. I don't know, as you say.
Speaker 6: I looked on the New Zealand site it wasn't there,
Speaker 6: which seems a bit weird. But yeah, look there are
Speaker 6: a range of players there. I questioned a couple well.
Speaker 6: I questioned, why is a Shodhi there?
Speaker 3: Now? That's interesting.
Speaker 6: I don't know what the schedule is, whether he's he's
Speaker 6: very much regard as a white ball player these days.
Speaker 6: Addie Ashock, the other leg spinner, is also there. Do
Speaker 6: we need two legs spinners? Those kinds of questions. Is
Speaker 6: is Sody a development player? Is he there as a
Speaker 6: semi coach? I don't know. You know, there are some
Speaker 6: left armors there, which is good to see Ben Lister
Speaker 6: back in the team.
Speaker 3: I think if Addie.
Speaker 6: Ashock has his Sodi, why doesn't Why doesn't Jaden Lennox
Speaker 6: have age as Patel there?
Speaker 3: You see?
Speaker 6: I think there are some there are some conundrums about
Speaker 6: the side. But having said that, the names that we
Speaker 6: would expect for youngsters and Rhys Murray, who's there?
Speaker 3: Muhammad Abbas is there? Nick Kelly?
Speaker 6: Some of the guys it isn't aged dependent Nick Kelly's
Speaker 6: thirty one, Joe Carter, the captain of the red ball side.
Speaker 3: I see that is he's thirty two at that place
Speaker 3: for Northern.
Speaker 6: Districts, and you know there are some older players there,
Speaker 6: Josh Clark's and we know is the name as well.
Speaker 6: We probably I don't know Dale Phillips quite so well
Speaker 6: or Christian Clark. I've looked them up to see where
Speaker 6: they've come from and what their performances have been like,
Speaker 6: but none of them have had the sort of the
Speaker 6: games and the number of first class games. That's say,
Speaker 6: Google Line, who was in the A side had one
Speaker 6: hundred and ten ages, battell as one hundred and ten
Speaker 6: first class Henry Cooper opening bats and last time against
Speaker 6: Australia sixty eight. These guys have got thirteen fourteen. You
Speaker 6: know those kinds of numbers. Zach Folks eighteen, Jadan Lennox fourteen.
Speaker 6: He's thirty. That's interesting, isn't It came to the game
Speaker 6: late perhaps so he's out the left arm orthodox So look,
Speaker 6: it's an interesting side. Let's see how that's not going
Speaker 6: to be easy in Bangladesh. I wouldn't have thought very
Speaker 6: good for them to play spin bowling.
Speaker 5: I like your point around it being in development, so
Speaker 5: I rather than a son. I agree with you that
Speaker 5: on that score, the sensus is it's an opportunity to
Speaker 5: provide experience in other countries quite different from what a
Speaker 5: lot of these players will have had, and that must
Speaker 5: be invaluable for building a depth in the game in
Speaker 5: New Zealand. Uh And, and I'm greatly encouraged by what
Speaker 5: what what I'm seeing in terms of the broader depth
Speaker 5: across it. You know, watching a couple of first class
Speaker 5: games recently in particularly, you know, watching Wellington beat up
Speaker 5: on Cannery a beautiful thing. But this, you know, the
Speaker 5: cricket was was was very good. And so if this
Speaker 5: is the cream of the crop, there's also quite a
Speaker 5: quite a u a spread of really good talent all
Speaker 5: through the game. And much much credit must be given
Speaker 5: to to all the other coaches in the provinces because
Speaker 5: you know, what you're seeing here is is building great
Speaker 5: depth and balance for for for the game left arms
Speaker 5: in particular. I notes I'm really pleased about that bringing
Speaker 5: in a new keeper like Curtis hefe as opposed to
Speaker 5: from c D. Whereas the Dane Cleaver, who's been a
Speaker 5: very unlucky chap I think not getting more cricket, because
Speaker 5: fine cricketer, but maybe ages against him. But I'm thrilled
Speaker 5: that in zed Ce are making way for these A
Speaker 5: tours because I think that coming off the back of
Speaker 5: that one in Australia, that's been invaluable for us for
Speaker 5: on earthing the people like the big quick from Canterbury
Speaker 5: God yeah correct, I mean yeah, and some others. They're fantastic,
Speaker 5: yes indeed.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's important that they have this offseason competition because
Speaker 2: they don't get it. If you go away with the
Speaker 2: New Zealand side, now you're right for the tests the
Speaker 2: one day as the teath readies and that's it. There's
Speaker 2: no warm up match that you can have a net
Speaker 2: and then go out and play Sussex on a tour
Speaker 2: of England or you know, a selection in India or
Speaker 2: South Africa or wherever you go. So it's great that
Speaker 2: they've got that and we'll try and back down someone
Speaker 2: involved with the team coaching.
Speaker 4: I presume it'll be Bob Carter and Paul Wiseman. They're
Speaker 4: the high performance coaches.
Speaker 2: So we'll do some investigating and perhaps talk about it
Speaker 2: next week.
Speaker 6: What that position is very important, isn't it that there's
Speaker 6: the one thing that's missing for us.
Speaker 3: If there was a place for a coach.
Speaker 6: Younger players going away to an unfamiliar country and unfamiliar
Speaker 6: conditions could easily you could see need after a failure
Speaker 6: or two to have someone around to put an arm
Speaker 6: around the shoulder and sort of supply some confidence, talk
Speaker 6: about how to play against these kind of players and
Speaker 6: these conditions. I would say that's more the place where
Speaker 6: you'd need a coach rather than the black Caps.
Speaker 1: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Honey on the front foot.
Speaker 2: We're going back in time, remember this ninth of April
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 8: No, how is I had the lake cut there down
Speaker 8: little bit down the one the third man we'll go
Speaker 8: before having it goes into the boundary now and that's
Speaker 8: center double sent three.
Speaker 1: And a double ten three.
Speaker 8: He's but at the morn he's got two.
Speaker 1: He's supporting.
Speaker 8: He's got three now three supporters coming onto the field
Speaker 8: to count slate turn on his double tent three one
Speaker 8: rather feels really coming on and not the fastest and
Speaker 8: runners he's really digging. The longest is time to get
Speaker 8: out to the middle.
Speaker 6: But he'll get there.
Speaker 8: That lay Turner on his double tent three.
Speaker 9: And at a cover by winnage the part of the
Speaker 9: end Jarvin and I caught by winners that cover off
Speaker 9: the boarding of over and this long and fine opening
Speaker 9: monitor finally ended at three hundred and eighty seven Garding
Speaker 9: though that cover a.
Speaker 4: Bol turn Terry Jarvis.
Speaker 2: That was a great partnership. Three hundred and eighty two
Speaker 2: on the border ground.
Speaker 3: Now you better there, yep, I faced you. There was
Speaker 3: on the tennis courts, didn't I I couldn't get your way. Well,
Speaker 3: you were going. You were going subterranean, boy, I tell you.
Speaker 4: So many times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, and.
Speaker 6: Actually it was interesting to get Well. That was Tony
Speaker 6: Cozy a young Tony Cozier doing the commentary.
Speaker 3: I think words. Yeah, no longer with us.
Speaker 6: God rest is yeah, God rest and rest his soul. Look,
Speaker 6: they were all draws, weren't they? In that there are
Speaker 6: five test matches, all draws.
Speaker 3: The first two.
Speaker 6: Turner got the first two hundred and the first match
Speaker 6: in Jamaica. Congo got one hundred and sixty in the
Speaker 6: second Test in Port of Spain. Then they played the
Speaker 6: third Test in Barbados, the one that New Zealand really
Speaker 6: could have won. They bowled Westerndies out for one hundred
Speaker 6: and thirty tails seven for seventy four. Terrific bowler. He
Speaker 6: was too, you know, at his peak. And then New
Speaker 6: Zealand got four hundred and twenty and they were going nicely,
Speaker 6: had a few wickets and then there was a partnership
Speaker 6: between Charlie Davis and Garfield Sobers. Sobers nicked one jar
Speaker 6: for some reason inexplicably a good slipper dropped it went
Speaker 6: on to get one hundred and forty two Sobers and
Speaker 6: Charlie Davis got dropped by Turner, another good slipper five
Speaker 6: hundred and sixty four.
Speaker 3: And then Dowling left the side. He was the captain.
Speaker 3: He went back with a back problem.
Speaker 6: And then they played this match that we were listening
Speaker 6: to the Fourth Test at Border and Georgetown.
Speaker 3: They it was they in those days.
Speaker 6: They said, man it bouncers there, u bowler, bouncer there,
Speaker 6: it'll bounce twice on the way to the keeper.
Speaker 4: It was a dead dead.
Speaker 6: West and he's got three sixty odd and declared on
Speaker 6: the third day why would.
Speaker 3: You carry on?
Speaker 6: Just carry on the whole five days, you know, And
Speaker 6: that's when Turner and Jarvis started before lunch on that
Speaker 6: third day and they carried on.
Speaker 3: They had a riot. I know that Clive Lloyd, who
Speaker 3: was the local man, was run out and.
Speaker 6: They then they bombed tails down on the boundary with bottles,
Speaker 6: and so they all the New Zealanders came together. He
Speaker 6: was a good man to bomb too. He was trying
Speaker 6: to drink the sort of the little bits out of
Speaker 6: the bottom of the bottles.
Speaker 3: And they all met.
Speaker 6: Together in the middle of the ground and then a
Speaker 6: girl ran out to try and run it, Charlie Davis,
Speaker 6: who had actually not run the single, and he was
Speaker 6: run out as he turned around, had to go back
Speaker 6: Clive Lloyd, and of course that's when then they when
Speaker 6: everyone rioted, so the policeman on the horses were there.
Speaker 6: They had to clean up the offerings they put out
Speaker 6: that morning with a shovel, and then the game resumed
Speaker 6: and then Turner and Jarvis just carried on, just carried on,
Speaker 6: and one hundred and sixty three for none at the
Speaker 6: end of day three two forty six. At lunch on
Speaker 6: day four, and that was when jav flice to drive.
Speaker 6: We heard him caught by Greenwich there in the covers
Speaker 6: for one hundred and eighty two. So New Zealand Day
Speaker 6: four four hundred and ten for one, Turner two hundred
Speaker 6: and ten and then and the Congo sixty one not
Speaker 6: out Turner got out in the last day, Day five,
Speaker 6: New Zealand five hundred and forty three for three declared
Speaker 6: that was the fourth draw and then the sixth the
Speaker 6: last test they added on a day and that was
Speaker 6: a drawer as well. New Zealand clung clung to plung
Speaker 6: on in the end, so they said of Turner, actually
Speaker 6: I found a little quote that he was the apostle
Speaker 6: of masterly inactivity, which I kind.
Speaker 5: Of like, Yeah, the the the the thing that I
Speaker 5: remember as a as a as a young kid, because
Speaker 5: I'm naturally quite a lot younger than both of you,
Speaker 5: was actually the rather the rather lovely West Indian accent
Speaker 5: of Tony Cozier coming through on a somewhat crackly wireless
Speaker 5: very evocative times past and listening to Yeah the job
Speaker 5: and Glenn Turner grinding out those runs and Bruce Taylor
Speaker 5: getting those wickings and Barbados, great memories against a pretty
Speaker 5: good West Indian team, all very good. Yeah, Garry Sobers
Speaker 5: and geez, some good players on their Greenwich Wow good Good.
Speaker 4: Was a good player too, and didn't quite get the recognition.
Speaker 2: I suppose the thing I could never work out about
Speaker 2: that tour was Taylor's got twenty seven wickets.
Speaker 4: And four Test. Yes, did he play the first Test?
Speaker 4: And I could never work out why.
Speaker 2: But then when you look at the course, you probably
Speaker 2: understand everybody was getting double centuries and you wouldn't want
Speaker 2: to be bowling in those situations.
Speaker 3: He talked his way out of it once. But you're right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean you look at Howarth Hendley.
Speaker 6: Howarth bold the most overs nearly four hundred, Congdon Bowld
Speaker 6: the next best, next number of overs two hundred and
Speaker 6: so you can see with those two bowls what the
Speaker 6: pictures were kind of like slow, low, horrible things. Cunis
Speaker 6: bowl one hundred nay, Taylor only bowl one hundred and
Speaker 6: seventy odd overs got the most wickets. As you say,
Speaker 6: Jack Alabaster was on that tour, only bowld fifty overs.
Speaker 3: Morgan joined Murray.
Speaker 6: Webb was on that tour because you know, Dale Hadley
Speaker 6: it had been injured a bit, Motts and Da had
Speaker 6: at that stage retired and the three we don't play
Speaker 6: on Sundays. Murray, Yule and Pollard, we're not in that
Speaker 6: team at all.
Speaker 3: So they had a few new guys. Jarv was one
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 6: Collins got injured on that tour and tragically lost a
Speaker 6: daughter as well, so he went home as well.
Speaker 3: Ross Morgan went to replace.
Speaker 6: As a replacement for those players, so they were down
Speaker 6: at bowler a left arm bowler in Collins as well.
Speaker 4: It's interesting talking about pace bowlers. Of course you mentioned
Speaker 4: Murray web.
Speaker 2: I think he played in that first game because they
Speaker 2: wanted someone to get to some pace and bounce on
Speaker 2: Sabina Park. I remember a lovely story about Sabina Park.
Speaker 2: A fellow who played in that Test match against New
Speaker 2: Zealand Uton dow.
Speaker 3: Ut.
Speaker 4: Yeah, fast ball.
Speaker 2: He was pretty sharp too, but he only ever played
Speaker 2: four Test matches. But they played Australia his last Test
Speaker 2: match on Sabina Park and Keith Stackpole just put him
Speaker 2: all around the park. He kept bowling at Stackpole's hook
Speaker 2: and Stackpole took him to lunch basically, and after lunch
Speaker 2: they were walking around the ground. You know what they
Speaker 2: were like in the West and they always very smart
Speaker 2: with their quick comments and people would yell out and
Speaker 2: the sun bloke had a sign that was painted up.
Speaker 2: It said eleventh commandment, dow shalt not bowl and that
Speaker 2: was typical of the humor of the people of the
Speaker 2: Caribbean and it was the end of Dow as a
Speaker 2: pace bowler. The other interesting story of the week was
Speaker 2: news that came out that Jimmy and is set to
Speaker 2: receive a knighthood. Now it was awarded to him by
Speaker 2: Rishie Sneak, and he hasn't been the Prime Minister of
Speaker 2: the UK for quite some time. There were some hold
Speaker 2: up as to why he hadn't got his knighthood.
Speaker 4: But he's going to.
Speaker 2: Become the fifteenth English player cricketer to get a knighthood.
Speaker 2: Deserving of a knighthood, you.
Speaker 5: Think I'm saying, I believe so. I mean, his record
Speaker 5: stands for itself, doesn't it. Frankly, longevity on all conditions,
Speaker 5: whether it be in India or whether it be in England.
Speaker 5: There was outstanding player, yeah, phenomenal player. Yeah.
Speaker 6: There are some people who would say sportsman knighthood, you know,
Speaker 6: that sort of thing. It's not appropriate. But if you
Speaker 6: are going to and they have clearly in the past.
Speaker 6: I think there's no doubt Jimmy Anderson needs to join
Speaker 6: that revered list of players. An absolute artist.
Speaker 3: I would have saw.
Speaker 6: Over seven hundred Test wickets, one hundred and eighty eight Tests.
Speaker 6: I mean that's extraordinary. You know that must be the
Speaker 6: most for an opening bowler in the Tests. Surely, so
Speaker 6: accurate and so precise swing what I call interrogating last
Speaker 6: second betting, because you know you've got to keep adjusting
Speaker 6: to the swing.
Speaker 3: Are you going to play it or not? And so on.
Speaker 6: He's had different versions, like every player who plays that
Speaker 6: length of time. He started off and here he had
Speaker 6: good pace, and they tried to change his action. I
Speaker 6: remember at the basin wads they at lunch time, he
Speaker 6: wasn't playing, and they used to pull out all the
Speaker 6: road cones. You'd be pleased with that, And they actually
Speaker 6: went onto the base and reserved to try and change
Speaker 6: the line of his run up. And then so he
Speaker 6: returned to his original one and his natural way of bowling. Originally,
Speaker 6: he did blow a bit hot and cold early on.
Speaker 6: I mean went on he was just you know, irresistible
Speaker 6: and went off. He was a bit over the place.
Speaker 6: But then that poned and he added reverse swing. When
Speaker 6: he went to Asia, so when the ball wouldn't swing conventionally,
Speaker 6: so he had another skill there to use. And then
Speaker 6: instead of having to wait for the ball to deteriorate
Speaker 6: to get reverse swing, he learned about the wobble ball
Speaker 6: that oscillates a little bit as it goes down the pitch,
Speaker 6: which a lot of bowlers use nowadays. And so they
Speaker 6: seem the ball seems and they don't know which way
Speaker 6: and orders the bowler orders the batsman.
Speaker 3: But the key to it all is the same as Richard,
Speaker 3: same as Richard.
Speaker 6: Hadley, where the ball pitchers, Sir Richard, where it comes
Speaker 6: from the consistency of where the ball is pitching. It's
Speaker 6: all down to not all down to movement. It's where
Speaker 6: the movement comes from. And very it's interesting too. He's
Speaker 6: a bit of a contradiction really off the field, quite
Speaker 6: a shy I know, I know Jimmy quite well and
Speaker 6: have done little things with him, and he's a man
Speaker 6: of few words, but on the field very verbally aggressive
Speaker 6: and the hence you get that response from you know
Speaker 6: in Australia where they said they were going to break
Speaker 6: his arm, you remember that, and they told him straight
Speaker 6: to his face while he was batting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, I remember, but certainly deserving.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember working with him in the last World Cup.
Speaker 4: You were there too, Jerry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was wonderful in the in the country box,
Speaker 2: you know, being able to spend some time with him.
Speaker 2: You talk about that trip to New Zealand. They weren't
Speaker 2: going to play him in that series where he went
Speaker 2: to play for Auckland. Didn't he to try and try cricket,
Speaker 2: and you know everybody was sort of saying, well, you know,
Speaker 2: Jimmy Anderson, you know he's not worth his place.
Speaker 4: Well, different story now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well that's when he came back. He came back
Speaker 6: at the base and wads with my broad and that's
Speaker 6: when that partnership began, wasn't it.
Speaker 4: Yep? One New Zealander and one Australian, Sir Generald Bradman
Speaker 4: and Sir Richard Hadley. Are there any other New Zealanders
Speaker 4: that deserve knighthoods in New Zealand? I don't know about Australia.
Speaker 2: I really haven't looked at that, but could any New
Speaker 2: Zealander that there have been quite a few who are
Speaker 2: probably deserving.
Speaker 5: It's an interesting question because if you look at Jimmy Anderson.
Speaker 5: Where does one draw the line because he's opening bowler
Speaker 5: partner Broad was pretty useful too, with an outstanding record.
Speaker 5: It's I know it's arbitrary, but in terms of New
Speaker 5: Zealand that becomes really hard. Yeah. I mean Richard Hadley
Speaker 5: just just as the standout, just just be the other
Speaker 5: great standout apart from you, Jerry, of course, was Martin
Speaker 5: Crowe you know to me? To me, yes, a phenomenal player. Absolutely,
Speaker 5: and then scroll forward going backwards, No, I don't think so,
Speaker 5: would you say Bert? Yeah? Possibly read Yeah.
Speaker 6: That's the other name that came to me. Those two
Speaker 6: names from about the fifth well, the forties through to the.
Speaker 3: Sixties held New Zealand together. Yeah. Goshtare a lot from
Speaker 3: the West Indies though, aren't they guys?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You know if you go are there? Gosh, you know
Speaker 3: them all?
Speaker 6: What do you I mean?
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, well that's right. Have you did you
Speaker 3: meet Clyde Walcott?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: Did you meet Frank Warrel?
Speaker 4: No, I missed him, he was unavailable.
Speaker 3: But I mean Larry Constantine.
Speaker 4: I missed him too.
Speaker 2: I wasn't born then, but I mean in recent times
Speaker 2: they've gone through viv richards Richie Richardson to Kurtley Ambrose,
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. Courtney Walsh didn't get one to do,
Speaker 2: which was interesting. But they've they've gone around the islands
Speaker 2: and I see, you know, I mean that's a recognition,
Speaker 2: I suppose of their contribution to Caribbean cricket. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's just interesting. I mean the point you made,
Speaker 2: you know that between sport and you know, knighthoods and
Speaker 2: those sorts of things that particularly in a team game
Speaker 2: where a lot of individuals have been helped by you know,
Speaker 2: good second slippers. I mean, how many catchers were taken
Speaker 2: off Richard Hadley's bonding Ian Smith? Would he have taken
Speaker 2: a few?
Speaker 3: Would he be worth and he certainly would, He certainly would.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know it, But I mean that's ah, look,
Speaker 6: it's okay, It's okay. I don't I don't think it's
Speaker 6: is it overly important? I suppose it's really it's it's
Speaker 6: it's recognition, isn't it recognition of the length of time
Speaker 6: and the and the skill that they used while they
Speaker 6: were there.
Speaker 2: Yep, contribution to the game was significant and they were
Speaker 2: acknowledged for it. Coming to an end of another edition
Speaker 2: on the front foot. I just wonder, guys, have I
Speaker 2: missed something a news release from the ICC, perhaps, But
Speaker 2: I was watching and it's great to be able to
Speaker 2: watch county cricket in the middle of the night when
Speaker 2: you can't sleep. I draw the line at the fact
Speaker 2: that I watched for three hours the other night. I
Speaker 2: don't know why I couldn't get back to sleep, but
Speaker 2: I was watching Worcestershire play Essex because I was interested
Speaker 2: to see Jacob Duffy, who'd been padded all around the
Speaker 2: park in the first game and he seemed to find
Speaker 2: the rhythm in the second game. But there were a
Speaker 2: couple of guys batting, a fellow by the name of Pepper.
Speaker 2: He might have been looking for salt, but he was
Speaker 2: out in the I p l and Harmer were batting
Speaker 2: for Essex, and a fellow in pads were standing at
Speaker 2: the non strikers in a runner. Have you seen a
Speaker 2: change again to the rules that allows for runners?
Speaker 4: Or is it peculiarly? Peculiarly England most do you know?
Speaker 5: You've got me start?
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 6: I don't think there's been changes to the international game.
Speaker 6: I haven't seen anything from the ICC to say this
Speaker 6: is what we're doing, usually suggested by that sort of committee.
Speaker 6: But whether it is in the in the first class game,
Speaker 6: the county level, which you're describing about over and over
Speaker 6: in England, England. Yes, I think I said to you
Speaker 6: before they would be leave of course that they're the
Speaker 6: only ones who tell the truth, so that the Batsman
Speaker 6: would say, no, I definitely can't run. I definitely can't run.
Speaker 6: That's really bad, and so I'll need a runner. Thank
Speaker 6: you very much, mister, mister Pepper. We'll give you a runner.
Speaker 3: That's okay. I don't know, yeah, exactly, Yeah, no, I
Speaker 3: don't know about that.
Speaker 5: Words.
Speaker 2: We'll be able to talk cricket because there's plenty of
Speaker 2: it coming up, and hopefully we'll be able to watch
Speaker 2: some of it from the other side of the world.
Speaker 2: I think England are due to plays in Barbwe who
Speaker 2: are currently playing in a Test match series against Bangladesh.
Speaker 2: Against Bangladesh, Yeah, Bangladesh, that's the one, and New Zealand
Speaker 2: will be sending an eighteam over to Bangladesh to pick
Speaker 2: up the slack from that. Otherwise, see you guys, I'm
Speaker 2: sure can spend most of your time either watching county
Speaker 2: cricket in England or the IPL, which I'm sure both
Speaker 2: of you do.
Speaker 6: Avidly, no, not no have It wouldn't be the word
Speaker 6: I'd use, but I don't watch it at all, not
Speaker 6: at all.
Speaker 4: Good good. That makes three of us. We'll have to
Speaker 4: watch the county game. Thanks goodbuyes talk it.
Speaker 3: To me boys, oh hey, take it all the forties
Speaker 3: of summer.
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