WEBVTT - On the Front Foot Episode 212: Is the Black Caps coaching system fit for purpose? 0:00:09.093 --> 0:00:11.973 You're listening to a podcast from News Talk set B. 0:00:12.373 --> 0:00:15.173 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 0:00:15.333 --> 0:00:19.373 iHeart Radio. 0:00:21.133 --> 0:00:25.013 Take it on the pad in it's arick, It is out, 0:00:25.333 --> 0:00:26.133 the test is over. 0:00:28.373 --> 0:00:30.613 Couldn't smokes a beauty? 0:00:30.653 --> 0:00:33.893 It is out here, you gos. This delivery has. 0:00:33.813 --> 0:00:34.893 In the US as you go. 0:00:37.493 --> 0:00:40.893 On the front foot with Brian Waddle and Jeremy Cody, 0:00:41.213 --> 0:00:45.093 powered by News Talks Dead b at iHeartRadio. 0:00:47.973 --> 0:00:50.493 Hello on the front put back, will you again? Cricket 0:00:50.493 --> 0:00:52.613 season might have come to an end, but we don't 0:00:52.733 --> 0:00:53.533 come to an end. 0:00:53.693 --> 0:00:54.813 What have we got for you this week? 0:00:55.373 --> 0:00:58.693 Does the black Caps coaching framework need changing? Are there 0:00:58.733 --> 0:01:01.213 too many back up coaches on tour? 0:01:02.213 --> 0:01:02.533 Even? 0:01:03.133 --> 0:01:04.093 Is it coach needed? 0:01:04.613 --> 0:01:06.973 Is it more mentor or scratit distrole? 0:01:08.493 --> 0:01:09.493 The eighteen have. 0:01:09.573 --> 0:01:12.413 The best offseason option for some time to prepare for 0:01:12.493 --> 0:01:17.133 the future. Remember this recalled some outstanding batting from fifty 0:01:17.173 --> 0:01:22.213 three years ago. England cricket gets another knighthood. Boy, they've 0:01:22.213 --> 0:01:26.413 got a few. We've just got one and we celebrate 0:01:26.573 --> 0:01:30.413 Joanna Child Why Jeremy. 0:01:30.453 --> 0:01:31.853 She's a sixty four year. 0:01:31.733 --> 0:01:37.093 Old who debuted for Portugal in the T twenty against Norway. 0:01:37.533 --> 0:01:40.773 Becoming the second oldest player to do so. I hope 0:01:40.773 --> 0:01:42.813 I'm able to play cricket when I turned sixty four. 0:01:44.333 --> 0:01:46.373 Ye, well, she's youth, doesn't she. 0:01:46.733 --> 0:01:48.613 I mean, we're going to give her a bit more time, 0:01:48.733 --> 0:01:51.533 surely to get into a shop making. 0:01:51.773 --> 0:01:53.973 How did she get on? They were playing. 0:01:53.653 --> 0:01:57.413 Norway, weren't they I always follow those games. 0:01:57.173 --> 0:01:58.813 Yes, I missed it. 0:01:58.893 --> 0:02:02.053 Unfortunately it wasn't on the internet. She played three matches 0:02:02.613 --> 0:02:06.133 in most this is my sort of form. She's scored 0:02:06.333 --> 0:02:10.053 two runs in the first game, old four balls in 0:02:10.133 --> 0:02:13.493 the second match, but didn't take a work at And 0:02:14.453 --> 0:02:15.773 do you want to know something. 0:02:15.613 --> 0:02:18.013 Else about a Peter hollidays with us again? 0:02:18.493 --> 0:02:23.373 This was her first recorded competitive appearance at the age 0:02:23.653 --> 0:02:26.213 of sixty four, playing for Portugal. 0:02:26.653 --> 0:02:29.893 Excellent. Did she break down in her over because she 0:02:29.893 --> 0:02:30.493 only bowled? 0:02:33.573 --> 0:02:37.733 I think the game might have been won by or having. 0:02:37.813 --> 0:02:39.373 She kept shortening a run up? 0:02:40.973 --> 0:02:43.813 Well, I mean sixty four. I mean, that's that's quite 0:02:43.813 --> 0:02:49.373 plucky from Joanna really, And as the saying goes, better 0:02:49.453 --> 0:02:50.173 late than never. 0:02:50.573 --> 0:02:53.053 Indeed, But I think though the sort of performances we 0:02:53.173 --> 0:02:56.693 need to celebrate, because you know, I'm pushing sixty four 0:02:56.733 --> 0:02:59.853 as as you two guys are and you know we 0:02:59.853 --> 0:03:03.413 we're probably thinking about retirement rather than playing anymore. 0:03:03.693 --> 0:03:08.133 At this stage, I couldn't think of anything worse than 0:03:08.133 --> 0:03:11.933 going on to a cricket field and embarrassing myself, probably 0:03:12.053 --> 0:03:16.253 ripping a hamstring off the back of the leg or something, 0:03:17.013 --> 0:03:17.493 and then. 0:03:17.533 --> 0:03:19.973 Just walking out, just walking. 0:03:22.653 --> 0:03:25.773 United States States. That bus has left the station for 0:03:25.933 --> 0:03:27.053 many of us. 0:03:27.733 --> 0:03:30.933 Yes, yes, and for the first time ever. That's the 0:03:30.973 --> 0:03:35.133 most amazing part. You'd never played any computive frigate. Well, 0:03:35.293 --> 0:03:36.773 I'm Joanna, we love your works. 0:03:38.973 --> 0:03:41.893 On that point, it got me to thinking, who are 0:03:42.373 --> 0:03:46.853 some of those older, oldest debutantes? And I was reminded 0:03:47.493 --> 0:03:51.013 from reading the Don Bradman Book for Boys or whatever 0:03:51.053 --> 0:03:55.173 it was, of Bert Ironmonger, who debut at the age 0:03:55.213 --> 0:04:00.093 of forty five years in nineteen twenty eight, went on 0:04:00.133 --> 0:04:03.973 to play thirteen tests. But he wasn't the oldest. There 0:04:04.133 --> 0:04:08.333 was James Southerton forty nine years old in eighteen seventy six. 0:04:08.333 --> 0:04:12.373 Even so there it just it just yeah, back in 0:04:12.413 --> 0:04:14.453 the olden days they could. 0:04:14.253 --> 0:04:19.053 Play a bit later, who who was our oldest? Most 0:04:19.053 --> 0:04:23.173 Seeing you've gone into this in some depths, I. 0:04:23.613 --> 0:04:28.133 Went down a rabbit hole, as they say, and it 0:04:28.253 --> 0:04:28.693 was it. 0:04:28.613 --> 0:04:29.973 Was a batman. 0:04:31.333 --> 0:04:35.013 Yes, it was a person called mcgurr who. 0:04:34.893 --> 0:04:41.213 Was ah Herb Herb and who knows his middle name? 0:04:41.453 --> 0:04:44.293 I'm the only one probably it's a musical. It's a 0:04:44.413 --> 0:04:45.773 musical name. 0:04:46.813 --> 0:04:48.173 Hm h M. 0:04:48.653 --> 0:04:54.693 McGirr played in the nineteen twenty seven Mozart Good guess 0:04:54.733 --> 0:05:01.413 no Mendelssohn. Mendelssohn, Yeah, Herbert Mendelssohn. Gosh, you jump out 0:05:01.453 --> 0:05:03.133 of your little crib, wouldn't you if you when you 0:05:03.213 --> 0:05:04.773 heard that? Ridiculous? 0:05:05.733 --> 0:05:09.333 Yes, but he was. He was a bowler. 0:05:09.373 --> 0:05:11.973 I think his dad actually played for Wellington Wadds. You 0:05:12.053 --> 0:05:15.413 better get that out. Yeah, he was an opening bowler. 0:05:15.453 --> 0:05:17.293 I think in the eighteen hundreds. 0:05:17.973 --> 0:05:20.173 He wasn't bad. Actually he played. 0:05:19.893 --> 0:05:21.893 Against I think he played a couple of Tests in 0:05:21.933 --> 0:05:24.413 the thirties, didn't he didn't he moose? 0:05:25.493 --> 0:05:25.733 Yeah? 0:05:26.093 --> 0:05:28.693 I think he got a fifty odd in that match. 0:05:29.213 --> 0:05:32.493 And he was an opening bowler as well. And he 0:05:32.533 --> 0:05:35.453 went in the twenty seven tour, which was Tom Lowery's team. 0:05:35.813 --> 0:05:39.333 Our first side to go to England. Took the may 0:05:39.613 --> 0:05:41.533 just to go on the boat, didn't it. They set 0:05:41.573 --> 0:05:45.053 off from about March and arrived in sort of May. 0:05:45.453 --> 0:05:48.293 At some stage they had to go across the states. 0:05:48.333 --> 0:05:51.293 They landed in San Francisco, had to go across the 0:05:51.333 --> 0:05:53.853 states to New York and then catch a boat, the 0:05:54.053 --> 0:05:58.893 SS Majestic it was called, and went to Southampton and 0:06:00.333 --> 0:06:02.053 played I think. 0:06:01.853 --> 0:06:05.733 They played I forget the name of the team wads. 0:06:05.773 --> 0:06:09.093 You remember it was the first game they played at 0:06:09.173 --> 0:06:13.733 Lord's and that was a kind of an educational tour. 0:06:14.333 --> 0:06:17.173 How good are we? Can you teach us anything? And 0:06:17.613 --> 0:06:21.413 they did extremely well. Some good players, you know, Cess 0:06:21.573 --> 0:06:25.973 Daker got lots of runs. Stewie Dempster was in that team. 0:06:26.093 --> 0:06:30.413 Jack Mills, the opener, was in that side. Tom Lowry, 0:06:30.653 --> 0:06:33.133 that big guy used to wear the hat and he 0:06:33.213 --> 0:06:35.973 was a k Ken James was the keeper and Bill 0:06:36.053 --> 0:06:39.893 Merritt was selected on that side the youngest player eighteen 0:06:40.013 --> 0:06:43.813 years old, fooled everybody and got over one hundred wickets 0:06:43.853 --> 0:06:46.893 on the tour. Fantastic stuff, really, once you get into 0:06:46.933 --> 0:06:49.573 those stories, they really are. 0:06:49.653 --> 0:06:49.933 Yeah. 0:06:50.053 --> 0:06:53.373 Yeah, And marriages lasted a lot longer in those days, 0:06:53.373 --> 0:06:55.933 didn't they. I'm off for eight months on a cricket tour, Darling, 0:06:59.653 --> 0:07:03.853 we'll leaven The more serious matters. I'm wanting to know 0:07:03.893 --> 0:07:10.093 whether the black Caps coaching setup is suitable for purpose 0:07:10.213 --> 0:07:13.013 at the moment, or is the change that we talked 0:07:13.013 --> 0:07:16.413 about last week and the possibility that Gary Stead might 0:07:16.493 --> 0:07:21.173 move on to other jobs for New Zealand Cricket a 0:07:21.293 --> 0:07:26.573 major way of changing things we reckon mosters Gary Stead? 0:07:27.013 --> 0:07:28.933 Would he be the ideal man to take on this 0:07:29.253 --> 0:07:35.053 high performance role that has been vacated by Brian Stronik 0:07:35.373 --> 0:07:37.653 and we look for other coaches to spread around the team. 0:07:37.693 --> 0:07:38.853 Do we need two coaches? 0:07:40.133 --> 0:07:43.653 Do we need a high performance role? Would be a 0:07:43.733 --> 0:07:48.093 question I'd ask, But that's probably somewhat moot. I noticed 0:07:48.373 --> 0:07:50.413 that Gary staid he's been a seven seven years. I 0:07:50.453 --> 0:07:54.133 believe that's probably your end of view tenure. I think 0:07:56.133 --> 0:07:59.453 it's white noise when you're talking. I think definitely time 0:07:59.493 --> 0:08:01.613 to move on. I noticed that he's got a bit 0:08:01.613 --> 0:08:03.773 of an each way bet going by, suggesting that he 0:08:03.893 --> 0:08:07.773 might like to hold keep the red ball cricket, probably 0:08:08.533 --> 0:08:11.053 while he's trying to search out and see if we 0:08:11.133 --> 0:08:14.413 can get a franchise, gig or something. But I'm of 0:08:14.453 --> 0:08:17.173 the views that yes, we do need to change, not 0:08:17.253 --> 0:08:21.933 because necessarily criticism of Stead but change is probably good now, 0:08:22.013 --> 0:08:26.493 fresh eyes probably very important. My thoughts would be that 0:08:26.613 --> 0:08:30.773 it should be the od I fifty over and red 0:08:30.813 --> 0:08:33.653 ball go to one coach and then a specialist twenty 0:08:33.733 --> 0:08:36.773 twenty coach, because I think that vastly different games now, 0:08:37.653 --> 0:08:42.333 And that would be my thoughts, because increasingly the twenty 0:08:42.413 --> 0:08:45.733 twenty is getting getting I'll probably play more of that 0:08:45.773 --> 0:08:49.573 we play anything else, So that would be Those would 0:08:49.613 --> 0:08:51.973 be my thoughts, and I would love it. I mean, 0:08:52.213 --> 0:08:56.053 there are the standards out there of players like ron Key, 0:08:56.133 --> 0:08:58.933 and I see Rob Walter is possibly going to be 0:08:58.933 --> 0:09:02.013 available and so on. But I'd love to see if 0:09:02.013 --> 0:09:03.053 Gillespie still around. 0:09:04.293 --> 0:09:07.933 Yeah, well he turned down the option, you know, and 0:09:07.973 --> 0:09:11.853 I might change his mind. Something counted against him because 0:09:11.893 --> 0:09:14.773 he gave up the Pakistan job very early too, didn't he. 0:09:15.053 --> 0:09:16.533 But it's a new era, Jerrea, isn't it. 0:09:17.533 --> 0:09:20.493 We're starting to develop new players, and instead has had 0:09:20.533 --> 0:09:22.973 a hand in that in terms of the development of players. 0:09:23.013 --> 0:09:25.373 So what Moose says is probably a fair point. 0:09:26.333 --> 0:09:29.093 Yeah, And I tend to agree with the lengths of time. 0:09:29.173 --> 0:09:33.213 I think after seven years, you know, it's how do 0:09:33.293 --> 0:09:35.853 you continue as a coach to grow and supply new 0:09:35.893 --> 0:09:39.493 ideas and ways of doing things, and growing a player 0:09:39.533 --> 0:09:43.213 and taking him to the next level and hearing things 0:09:43.213 --> 0:09:47.933 that they haven't already heard. My gut tells me, if 0:09:47.933 --> 0:09:50.173 you haven't done that in seven years, the chances of 0:09:50.213 --> 0:09:52.573 your doing it in the eighth and the ninth and 0:09:52.613 --> 0:09:56.413 the tenth years are fairly slim. And so you know, 0:09:56.493 --> 0:09:59.653 while you but you still hold a lot of intellectual 0:09:59.733 --> 0:10:03.013 sort of knowledge and personal knowledge, which I think was 0:10:03.053 --> 0:10:07.813 Bracewell's point. Wasn't it about trying to keep someone like 0:10:08.533 --> 0:10:11.133 you know, Gary Stead in the mix if you can, 0:10:11.693 --> 0:10:15.013 and maybe look at it, maybe Brian Stronix, but I 0:10:15.053 --> 0:10:18.493 don't know. I don't know his job description. But maybe 0:10:18.533 --> 0:10:21.893 a director of cricket I don't But you know, there's 0:10:21.933 --> 0:10:25.693 more time to oversee the development side perhaps and to keep. 0:10:25.533 --> 0:10:28.973 A hand, a steering hand on things that are happening. 0:10:29.533 --> 0:10:32.373 I mean, he seems to me to be a good 0:10:32.413 --> 0:10:38.253 worker and that might be something that certainly he could 0:10:38.333 --> 0:10:41.333 provide for New Zealand cricket. As far as do we 0:10:41.413 --> 0:10:44.813 need specialists, well, most sides seem to have got him 0:10:44.853 --> 0:10:47.093 now wards, haven't they. There wouldn't be many sides without 0:10:47.093 --> 0:10:51.893 a coach nowadays. I think Stead has kind of removed 0:10:51.973 --> 0:10:54.013 himself from the day to day This is what the 0:10:54.053 --> 0:10:58.853 reverse sweepers fellas. You know, he's taking a much broader 0:10:58.933 --> 0:11:02.253 scope about the you know, and you talked about a 0:11:02.253 --> 0:11:05.813 strategist and I think that's much more his kind of 0:11:05.933 --> 0:11:11.253 role nowadays. And so, you know, I think maybe it 0:11:11.293 --> 0:11:13.733 would be nice if we could get another one whether 0:11:14.213 --> 0:11:15.973 whether you know, two coaches. 0:11:16.573 --> 0:11:17.773 Some people don't like. 0:11:17.773 --> 0:11:22.373 That, and you'd certainly perhaps you know, you could lack 0:11:22.453 --> 0:11:26.093 cohesion between the two, and therefore you and players are 0:11:26.093 --> 0:11:29.973 hearing mixed messages. But you know, coaches have different priorities 0:11:30.013 --> 0:11:33.933 and importance of attack. And another one says, no, let's 0:11:33.973 --> 0:11:37.573 be more measured about the way we play. The communication 0:11:37.693 --> 0:11:40.533 between the two, would you know, have to be important 0:11:40.853 --> 0:11:43.613 but not over consuming, if you know what I mean. 0:11:44.573 --> 0:11:48.373 But we've used other ones rang and a Heirath. We've 0:11:48.453 --> 0:11:51.853 used Ian Bell for batting, sir claim mushtag, haven't we? 0:11:52.173 --> 0:11:53.573 And that's been very useful. 0:11:54.253 --> 0:11:57.693 How much coaching, though most is done during a season, 0:11:57.733 --> 0:12:00.453 isn't that done at the build up to the season, 0:12:00.493 --> 0:12:02.253 when you're getting your game ready for a season? I 0:12:02.293 --> 0:12:04.293 know there's no build ups. Now they played twelve months 0:12:04.293 --> 0:12:06.573 of the year. But how much coaching do you do 0:12:06.733 --> 0:12:10.373 or you as a player domestic cricket, Jerry as an 0:12:10.373 --> 0:12:13.733 international player, did you have somebody that you spoke to 0:12:13.813 --> 0:12:16.813 when you're facing a problem? How do I sort this 0:12:16.893 --> 0:12:21.213 problem out? You know Martin Crowe had his schoolboy coach 0:12:21.253 --> 0:12:22.053 and he was his name. 0:12:21.973 --> 0:12:22.893 Harold Whitcombe. 0:12:23.613 --> 0:12:26.973 That's correct, yes, And how much coaching would you need 0:12:27.013 --> 0:12:30.453 to do for Martin Crowe or Caine Williamson? 0:12:31.373 --> 0:12:34.613 Now, well, I would have thought, I mean when we played. 0:12:34.653 --> 0:12:36.853 Of course, we didn't have a coach until Glenn Turner 0:12:36.973 --> 0:12:41.373 arrived in nineteen eighty five. Until then it was very 0:12:41.453 --> 0:12:45.573 much up to ourselves as players and talking to other players, 0:12:46.053 --> 0:12:50.053 some of them have pointed out had little mentors I 0:12:50.053 --> 0:12:54.653 would have sought today if you wanted to not have 0:12:54.813 --> 0:12:59.213 those people there. Then the technology has enabled communication with 0:12:59.373 --> 0:13:02.533 videos and just the way you guys are talking now, 0:13:02.653 --> 0:13:05.653 you see, I mean, I'm sending out sort of signals 0:13:05.813 --> 0:13:10.213 smoke signals to you guys from here. But but you know, 0:13:10.293 --> 0:13:12.933 it's possible to be in touch, isn't it, even though 0:13:13.013 --> 0:13:16.453 you're off site. I mean, you would miss things like 0:13:17.173 --> 0:13:19.693 you know, not getting the crowd and the heat and 0:13:19.733 --> 0:13:22.093 the practice conditions, and the travel and the food and 0:13:22.133 --> 0:13:25.013 the sleep and so on. You wouldn't know about that 0:13:25.173 --> 0:13:28.613 so much. But as far as if you have your 0:13:28.653 --> 0:13:31.093 person that you're talking to, it is possible to be 0:13:31.133 --> 0:13:31.573 in touch. 0:13:31.653 --> 0:13:32.013 Surely. 0:13:32.813 --> 0:13:35.053 I think by the time you get to international level, 0:13:35.773 --> 0:13:37.893 do you need a coach? I don't think you do it, 0:13:37.933 --> 0:13:40.773 because if you want, your ability will have got you 0:13:40.853 --> 0:13:43.133 there and you will have been in still with it. Also, 0:13:43.173 --> 0:13:45.973 from what I gather these days is that every young 0:13:46.053 --> 0:13:51.653 kid now has a coach, private coaches. There's a preponderance 0:13:51.693 --> 0:13:54.533 of them from all accounts, so they're getting lots of 0:13:54.533 --> 0:13:58.453 coaching from the young age upwards. The main thing I 0:13:59.253 --> 0:14:03.653 believe around it is actually it's more what's going on 0:14:03.693 --> 0:14:07.093 in your head, and that's where the coaching probably is required, 0:14:07.133 --> 0:14:11.493 which is more the strategies or or giving people the 0:14:13.293 --> 0:14:18.373 environment in order how to succeed, to to create team 0:14:18.413 --> 0:14:21.173 cultures and all those sorts of things. That's the fundamental piece, 0:14:21.493 --> 0:14:24.653 not when not not not when you you know, de 0:14:24.773 --> 0:14:27.053 picked about upright, and do you bring it down down correct? 0:14:27.093 --> 0:14:29.693 So those I think those things, there's technical things are 0:14:29.773 --> 0:14:32.213 less important, although they do crop up. And I remember 0:14:32.293 --> 0:14:36.693 Ross Tyler, I think, was having difficulties at one point 0:14:36.733 --> 0:14:39.213 and went to Martin Crow and fixed it up. But 0:14:39.773 --> 0:14:44.493 that's that's at the margin, I think. So the work 0:14:44.533 --> 0:14:47.453 of a coach is sort of an interesting thing, and 0:14:47.573 --> 0:14:50.253 having four or five of them on any any given 0:14:50.293 --> 0:14:54.853 touring party just seems and they over here perhaps not 0:14:54.853 --> 0:14:56.173 always necessary, I don't know. 0:14:56.973 --> 0:14:58.893 Yeah, they make the team photo. 0:14:59.133 --> 0:15:00.653 You know, you've got to have an aerial shot to 0:15:00.693 --> 0:15:03.413 get the full team photo these days, don't you, because 0:15:03.453 --> 0:15:06.413 it's fifteen players but twenty two coaches or. 0:15:07.853 --> 0:15:10.533 Advice, Well, you do need someone to put the cones 0:15:10.573 --> 0:15:15.133 out and pick the balls up and the dog front. Yeah, yep, 0:15:15.173 --> 0:15:18.013 correctly if you connect the dog for us. But I mean, 0:15:18.853 --> 0:15:21.653 I'm making light of it, but in fact, hey, it's 0:15:21.693 --> 0:15:25.653 wonderful if you've got all of that. I mean, some 0:15:25.693 --> 0:15:27.693 of us when we were playing, our biggest problems were 0:15:27.733 --> 0:15:34.173 just absence of ability and you can't change that, whereas 0:15:34.173 --> 0:15:35.653 these guys have got plenty of it. 0:15:36.133 --> 0:15:39.133 And the thing is, though, guys, haven't we reached a 0:15:39.213 --> 0:15:44.573 sort of a stage that now the focus is on professionalism, 0:15:44.613 --> 0:15:48.853 and not just in cricket but throughout all sports and 0:15:48.973 --> 0:15:51.133 lots of other things. And so what happens is the 0:15:51.173 --> 0:15:55.733 game is generally deconstructed and broken down into the different 0:15:55.813 --> 0:15:59.573 skills that there are, and there are specialists that are 0:15:59.733 --> 0:16:04.613 hired to advise and assist players to improve in those areas. 0:16:08.053 --> 0:16:11.293 I just feel that's quite a now, I mean, that 0:16:11.333 --> 0:16:14.533 can be useful. You're right to ask the questions, I think, 0:16:15.133 --> 0:16:18.053 because I think that's easy to accumulate more and more 0:16:18.093 --> 0:16:22.973 and more and more around you, and the players then 0:16:23.133 --> 0:16:27.373 start to stop thinking about their games and they rely 0:16:27.493 --> 0:16:30.493 on other people and slips of paper coming under the 0:16:30.573 --> 0:16:34.693 door at night when you prepare for the next game. 0:16:35.333 --> 0:16:37.533 And so that's a bit of a danger, it thinks 0:16:37.573 --> 0:16:38.973 to I think. 0:16:39.693 --> 0:16:43.093 You picked on the use of some specialists at certain 0:16:43.133 --> 0:16:47.573 points which were boarding from local territories, like was it 0:16:47.653 --> 0:16:52.453 here from Sri Lanka? That has real merit because if 0:16:52.533 --> 0:16:55.933 I'm a spinner bowling spin in New Zealand is quite 0:16:56.013 --> 0:17:00.253 different thing from what it would be or or Sri Lanka. 0:17:00.413 --> 0:17:03.093 You know at what pace, what speed, what's my length? 0:17:03.213 --> 0:17:10.133 All of those things become really important, and that's where 0:17:10.173 --> 0:17:12.933 you get the benefit of that intellectual property, if you will, 0:17:13.853 --> 0:17:18.373 from the local specialists I think that's really valuable. Absolutely. 0:17:19.453 --> 0:17:22.133 Yeah, Well, it's something that we need to look at 0:17:22.213 --> 0:17:25.173 and I'm sure over the next few weeks, even months, 0:17:25.653 --> 0:17:29.733 when Gary Stead's job is completed, we will find that out. 0:17:29.773 --> 0:17:32.733 There's not much for them to do at the moment 0:17:32.773 --> 0:17:35.533 in terms of a New Zealand team because they're all 0:17:35.533 --> 0:17:39.213 heading off to various contracts. What there is to do, though, 0:17:39.333 --> 0:17:42.453 is a coach is needed for a New Zealand A side. Now, 0:17:42.493 --> 0:17:44.813 you wouldn't believe the fun I've had trying to find 0:17:44.853 --> 0:17:49.013 out this New Zealand A side. New Zealand Cricket media 0:17:49.413 --> 0:17:52.933 person told me yesterday that the team is being named 0:17:52.933 --> 0:17:56.333 on the twenty eighth of April and they're leaving on 0:17:56.373 --> 0:18:01.493 the first of May for Bangladesh, which makes it a 0:18:01.773 --> 0:18:05.253 very tight schedule. Now, whether or not the team has 0:18:05.333 --> 0:18:07.133 been named, I don't know, but I've spoken to three 0:18:07.133 --> 0:18:10.493 players who are already in it and it hasn't been 0:18:10.933 --> 0:18:12.693 revealed publicly. 0:18:12.773 --> 0:18:14.733 I can't work out the reason. 0:18:14.773 --> 0:18:19.253 If you've got a team going to the Bangladesh and 0:18:19.373 --> 0:18:21.573 South Africa, why don't you just get it out there 0:18:21.573 --> 0:18:23.853 and celebrate it and let these guys have their name 0:18:23.933 --> 0:18:24.573 put it forward. 0:18:25.133 --> 0:18:29.093 But it's going to contain a crop of developing players. 0:18:30.053 --> 0:18:30.333 Jerry. 0:18:30.373 --> 0:18:34.093 I've sent a list of names to There's some good 0:18:34.173 --> 0:18:36.973 players in that list that have had good seasons of 0:18:37.253 --> 0:18:40.053 first class cricket and it's great that they're getting this opportunity. 0:18:40.533 --> 0:18:47.533 Yeah, I received the list was by Horseback and it's 0:18:47.573 --> 0:18:49.373 an interesting group of players, isn't it. 0:18:49.613 --> 0:18:51.413 My first thought when I saw. 0:18:51.213 --> 0:18:56.293 It was, of course that it was a developmental side, 0:18:57.133 --> 0:18:59.933 not so much what I would call an a team. 0:19:01.053 --> 0:19:04.653 There were no Henry Cooper's Tom Bruce he might be 0:19:04.693 --> 0:19:09.053 overseas at the moment. There was no Jacob Dahee overseas, 0:19:09.093 --> 0:19:12.373 No age As Patel that you know, Brett Randell, that 0:19:12.613 --> 0:19:16.573 side that beat Australia in two matches in Australia a 0:19:16.613 --> 0:19:21.333 couple of years ago. They just Dean Foxcroft is not there. 0:19:21.613 --> 0:19:25.613 Doug Bracewell is not there. So it is very much 0:19:25.693 --> 0:19:28.613 a developmental side. And whether that's come from the Pakistan 0:19:29.093 --> 0:19:31.813 the recent series and the performance that some of our 0:19:31.893 --> 0:19:36.213 younger players had and the confidence therefore has grown in 0:19:36.253 --> 0:19:39.053 them to be, you know, selecting a side like this, 0:19:40.933 --> 0:19:45.013 I don't know. I don't whether they're selecting a different 0:19:45.093 --> 0:19:48.693 side to play South Africa. I don't know, as you say. 0:19:48.733 --> 0:19:51.253 I looked on the New Zealand site it wasn't there, 0:19:52.733 --> 0:19:55.493 which seems a bit weird. But yeah, look there are 0:19:55.533 --> 0:20:00.333 a range of players there. I questioned a couple well. 0:20:00.533 --> 0:20:02.333 I questioned, why is a Shodhi there? 0:20:03.013 --> 0:20:03.973 Now? That's interesting. 0:20:04.053 --> 0:20:07.453 I don't know what the schedule is, whether he's he's 0:20:07.613 --> 0:20:10.253 very much regard as a white ball player these days. 0:20:10.453 --> 0:20:13.213 Addie Ashock, the other leg spinner, is also there. Do 0:20:13.253 --> 0:20:18.293 we need two legs spinners? Those kinds of questions. Is 0:20:18.293 --> 0:20:21.693 is Sody a development player? Is he there as a 0:20:21.733 --> 0:20:25.453 semi coach? I don't know. You know, there are some 0:20:25.613 --> 0:20:27.973 left armors there, which is good to see Ben Lister 0:20:28.133 --> 0:20:28.933 back in the team. 0:20:29.493 --> 0:20:31.573 I think if Addie. 0:20:31.213 --> 0:20:36.013 Ashock has his Sodi, why doesn't Why doesn't Jaden Lennox 0:20:36.333 --> 0:20:38.453 have age as Patel there? 0:20:39.493 --> 0:20:39.893 You see? 0:20:39.933 --> 0:20:43.693 I think there are some there are some conundrums about 0:20:43.733 --> 0:20:47.653 the side. But having said that, the names that we 0:20:47.693 --> 0:20:51.733 would expect for youngsters and Rhys Murray, who's there? 0:20:52.493 --> 0:20:54.853 Muhammad Abbas is there? Nick Kelly? 0:20:55.013 --> 0:20:59.613 Some of the guys it isn't aged dependent Nick Kelly's 0:20:59.653 --> 0:21:02.373 thirty one, Joe Carter, the captain of the red ball side. 0:21:02.413 --> 0:21:05.333 I see that is he's thirty two at that place 0:21:05.333 --> 0:21:06.053 for Northern. 0:21:05.813 --> 0:21:09.973 Districts, and you know there are some older players there, 0:21:10.093 --> 0:21:12.533 Josh Clark's and we know is the name as well. 0:21:12.973 --> 0:21:16.293 We probably I don't know Dale Phillips quite so well 0:21:16.373 --> 0:21:19.053 or Christian Clark. I've looked them up to see where 0:21:19.053 --> 0:21:21.533 they've come from and what their performances have been like, 0:21:22.213 --> 0:21:24.173 but none of them have had the sort of the 0:21:24.253 --> 0:21:27.773 games and the number of first class games. That's say, 0:21:28.333 --> 0:21:30.293 Google Line, who was in the A side had one 0:21:30.333 --> 0:21:33.253 hundred and ten ages, battell as one hundred and ten 0:21:33.333 --> 0:21:37.213 first class Henry Cooper opening bats and last time against 0:21:37.253 --> 0:21:41.973 Australia sixty eight. These guys have got thirteen fourteen. You 0:21:42.053 --> 0:21:47.213 know those kinds of numbers. Zach Folks eighteen, Jadan Lennox fourteen. 0:21:47.573 --> 0:21:50.613 He's thirty. That's interesting, isn't It came to the game 0:21:50.733 --> 0:21:55.693 late perhaps so he's out the left arm orthodox So look, 0:21:55.813 --> 0:21:58.853 it's an interesting side. Let's see how that's not going 0:21:58.933 --> 0:22:02.533 to be easy in Bangladesh. I wouldn't have thought very 0:22:02.573 --> 0:22:04.253 good for them to play spin bowling. 0:22:04.613 --> 0:22:06.573 I like your point around it being in development, so 0:22:06.613 --> 0:22:08.533 I rather than a son. I agree with you that 0:22:08.613 --> 0:22:12.493 on that score, the sensus is it's an opportunity to 0:22:12.653 --> 0:22:17.453 provide experience in other countries quite different from what a 0:22:17.493 --> 0:22:20.013 lot of these players will have had, and that must 0:22:20.093 --> 0:22:23.053 be invaluable for building a depth in the game in 0:22:23.133 --> 0:22:27.373 New Zealand. Uh And, and I'm greatly encouraged by what 0:22:27.373 --> 0:22:30.173 what what I'm seeing in terms of the broader depth 0:22:30.253 --> 0:22:32.773 across it. You know, watching a couple of first class 0:22:32.773 --> 0:22:37.493 games recently in particularly, you know, watching Wellington beat up 0:22:37.493 --> 0:22:41.293 on Cannery a beautiful thing. But this, you know, the 0:22:41.333 --> 0:22:45.493 cricket was was was very good. And so if this 0:22:45.613 --> 0:22:47.453 is the cream of the crop, there's also quite a 0:22:47.573 --> 0:22:52.413 quite a u a spread of really good talent all 0:22:52.453 --> 0:22:56.413 through the game. And much much credit must be given 0:22:56.453 --> 0:23:00.853 to to all the other coaches in the provinces because 0:23:01.173 --> 0:23:05.893 you know, what you're seeing here is is building great 0:23:05.973 --> 0:23:09.453