1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk set B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:15,173 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 3 00:00:15,333 --> 00:00:19,373 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. 4 00:00:21,133 --> 00:00:25,013 Speaker 2: Take it on the pad in it's arick, It is out, 5 00:00:25,333 --> 00:00:26,133 Speaker 2: the test is over. 6 00:00:28,373 --> 00:00:30,613 Speaker 3: Couldn't smokes a beauty? 7 00:00:30,653 --> 00:00:33,893 Speaker 4: It is out here, you gos. This delivery has. 8 00:00:33,813 --> 00:00:34,893 Speaker 5: In the US as you go. 9 00:00:37,493 --> 00:00:40,893 Speaker 1: On the front foot with Brian Waddle and Jeremy Cody, 10 00:00:41,213 --> 00:00:45,093 Speaker 1: powered by News Talks Dead b at iHeartRadio. 11 00:00:47,973 --> 00:00:50,493 Speaker 2: Hello on the front put back, will you again? Cricket 12 00:00:50,493 --> 00:00:52,613 Speaker 2: season might have come to an end, but we don't 13 00:00:52,733 --> 00:00:53,533 Speaker 2: come to an end. 14 00:00:53,693 --> 00:00:54,813 Speaker 4: What have we got for you this week? 15 00:00:55,373 --> 00:00:58,693 Speaker 2: Does the black Caps coaching framework need changing? Are there 16 00:00:58,733 --> 00:01:01,213 Speaker 2: too many back up coaches on tour? 17 00:01:02,213 --> 00:01:02,533 Speaker 5: Even? 18 00:01:03,133 --> 00:01:04,093 Speaker 4: Is it coach needed? 19 00:01:04,613 --> 00:01:06,973 Speaker 2: Is it more mentor or scratit distrole? 20 00:01:08,493 --> 00:01:09,493 Speaker 4: The eighteen have. 21 00:01:09,573 --> 00:01:12,413 Speaker 2: The best offseason option for some time to prepare for 22 00:01:12,493 --> 00:01:17,133 Speaker 2: the future. Remember this recalled some outstanding batting from fifty 23 00:01:17,173 --> 00:01:22,213 Speaker 2: three years ago. England cricket gets another knighthood. Boy, they've 24 00:01:22,213 --> 00:01:26,413 Speaker 2: got a few. We've just got one and we celebrate 25 00:01:26,573 --> 00:01:30,413 Speaker 2: Joanna Child Why Jeremy. 26 00:01:30,453 --> 00:01:31,853 Speaker 4: She's a sixty four year. 27 00:01:31,733 --> 00:01:37,093 Speaker 2: Old who debuted for Portugal in the T twenty against Norway. 28 00:01:37,533 --> 00:01:40,773 Speaker 2: Becoming the second oldest player to do so. I hope 29 00:01:40,773 --> 00:01:42,813 Speaker 2: I'm able to play cricket when I turned sixty four. 30 00:01:44,333 --> 00:01:46,373 Speaker 3: Ye, well, she's youth, doesn't she. 31 00:01:46,733 --> 00:01:48,613 Speaker 6: I mean, we're going to give her a bit more time, 32 00:01:48,733 --> 00:01:51,533 Speaker 6: surely to get into a shop making. 33 00:01:51,773 --> 00:01:53,973 Speaker 3: How did she get on? They were playing. 34 00:01:53,653 --> 00:01:57,413 Speaker 6: Norway, weren't they I always follow those games. 35 00:01:57,173 --> 00:01:58,813 Speaker 4: Yes, I missed it. 36 00:01:58,893 --> 00:02:02,053 Speaker 2: Unfortunately it wasn't on the internet. She played three matches 37 00:02:02,613 --> 00:02:06,133 Speaker 2: in most this is my sort of form. She's scored 38 00:02:06,333 --> 00:02:10,053 Speaker 2: two runs in the first game, old four balls in 39 00:02:10,133 --> 00:02:13,493 Speaker 2: the second match, but didn't take a work at And 40 00:02:14,453 --> 00:02:15,773 Speaker 2: do you want to know something. 41 00:02:15,613 --> 00:02:18,013 Speaker 4: Else about a Peter hollidays with us again? 42 00:02:18,493 --> 00:02:23,373 Speaker 2: This was her first recorded competitive appearance at the age 43 00:02:23,653 --> 00:02:26,213 Speaker 2: of sixty four, playing for Portugal. 44 00:02:26,653 --> 00:02:29,893 Speaker 5: Excellent. Did she break down in her over because she 45 00:02:29,893 --> 00:02:30,493 Speaker 5: only bowled? 46 00:02:33,573 --> 00:02:37,733 Speaker 4: I think the game might have been won by or having. 47 00:02:37,813 --> 00:02:39,373 Speaker 3: She kept shortening a run up? 48 00:02:40,973 --> 00:02:43,813 Speaker 5: Well, I mean sixty four. I mean, that's that's quite 49 00:02:43,813 --> 00:02:49,373 Speaker 5: plucky from Joanna really, And as the saying goes, better 50 00:02:49,453 --> 00:02:50,173 Speaker 5: late than never. 51 00:02:50,573 --> 00:02:53,053 Speaker 2: Indeed, But I think though the sort of performances we 52 00:02:53,173 --> 00:02:56,693 Speaker 2: need to celebrate, because you know, I'm pushing sixty four 53 00:02:56,733 --> 00:02:59,853 Speaker 2: as as you two guys are and you know we 54 00:02:59,853 --> 00:03:03,413 Speaker 2: we're probably thinking about retirement rather than playing anymore. 55 00:03:03,693 --> 00:03:08,133 Speaker 7: At this stage, I couldn't think of anything worse than 56 00:03:08,133 --> 00:03:11,933 Speaker 7: going on to a cricket field and embarrassing myself, probably 57 00:03:12,053 --> 00:03:16,253 Speaker 7: ripping a hamstring off the back of the leg or something, 58 00:03:17,013 --> 00:03:17,493 Speaker 7: and then. 59 00:03:17,533 --> 00:03:19,973 Speaker 3: Just walking out, just walking. 60 00:03:22,653 --> 00:03:25,773 Speaker 5: United States States. That bus has left the station for 61 00:03:25,933 --> 00:03:27,053 Speaker 5: many of us. 62 00:03:27,733 --> 00:03:30,933 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and for the first time ever. That's the 63 00:03:30,973 --> 00:03:35,133 Speaker 2: most amazing part. You'd never played any computive frigate. Well, 64 00:03:35,293 --> 00:03:36,773 Speaker 2: I'm Joanna, we love your works. 65 00:03:38,973 --> 00:03:41,893 Speaker 5: On that point, it got me to thinking, who are 66 00:03:42,373 --> 00:03:46,853 Speaker 5: some of those older, oldest debutantes? And I was reminded 67 00:03:47,493 --> 00:03:51,013 Speaker 5: from reading the Don Bradman Book for Boys or whatever 68 00:03:51,053 --> 00:03:55,173 Speaker 5: it was, of Bert Ironmonger, who debut at the age 69 00:03:55,213 --> 00:04:00,093 Speaker 5: of forty five years in nineteen twenty eight, went on 70 00:04:00,133 --> 00:04:03,973 Speaker 5: to play thirteen tests. But he wasn't the oldest. There 71 00:04:04,133 --> 00:04:08,333 Speaker 5: was James Southerton forty nine years old in eighteen seventy six. 72 00:04:08,333 --> 00:04:12,373 Speaker 5: Even so there it just it just yeah, back in 73 00:04:12,413 --> 00:04:14,453 Speaker 5: the olden days they could. 74 00:04:14,253 --> 00:04:19,053 Speaker 6: Play a bit later, who who was our oldest? Most 75 00:04:19,053 --> 00:04:23,173 Speaker 6: Seeing you've gone into this in some depths, I. 76 00:04:23,613 --> 00:04:28,133 Speaker 5: Went down a rabbit hole, as they say, and it 77 00:04:28,253 --> 00:04:28,693 Speaker 5: was it. 78 00:04:28,613 --> 00:04:29,973 Speaker 4: Was a batman. 79 00:04:31,333 --> 00:04:35,013 Speaker 5: Yes, it was a person called mcgurr who. 80 00:04:34,893 --> 00:04:41,213 Speaker 6: Was ah Herb Herb and who knows his middle name? 81 00:04:41,453 --> 00:04:44,293 Speaker 6: I'm the only one probably it's a musical. It's a 82 00:04:44,413 --> 00:04:45,773 Speaker 6: musical name. 83 00:04:46,813 --> 00:04:48,173 Speaker 3: Hm h M. 84 00:04:48,653 --> 00:04:54,693 Speaker 6: McGirr played in the nineteen twenty seven Mozart Good guess 85 00:04:54,733 --> 00:05:01,413 Speaker 6: no Mendelssohn. Mendelssohn, Yeah, Herbert Mendelssohn. Gosh, you jump out 86 00:05:01,453 --> 00:05:03,133 Speaker 6: of your little crib, wouldn't you if you when you 87 00:05:03,213 --> 00:05:04,773 Speaker 6: heard that? Ridiculous? 88 00:05:05,733 --> 00:05:09,333 Speaker 3: Yes, but he was. He was a bowler. 89 00:05:09,373 --> 00:05:11,973 Speaker 6: I think his dad actually played for Wellington Wadds. You 90 00:05:12,053 --> 00:05:15,413 Speaker 6: better get that out. Yeah, he was an opening bowler. 91 00:05:15,453 --> 00:05:17,293 Speaker 6: I think in the eighteen hundreds. 92 00:05:17,973 --> 00:05:20,173 Speaker 3: He wasn't bad. Actually he played. 93 00:05:19,893 --> 00:05:21,893 Speaker 6: Against I think he played a couple of Tests in 94 00:05:21,933 --> 00:05:24,413 Speaker 6: the thirties, didn't he didn't he moose? 95 00:05:25,493 --> 00:05:25,733 Speaker 5: Yeah? 96 00:05:26,093 --> 00:05:28,693 Speaker 6: I think he got a fifty odd in that match. 97 00:05:29,213 --> 00:05:32,493 Speaker 6: And he was an opening bowler as well. And he 98 00:05:32,533 --> 00:05:35,453 Speaker 6: went in the twenty seven tour, which was Tom Lowery's team. 99 00:05:35,813 --> 00:05:39,333 Speaker 6: Our first side to go to England. Took the may 100 00:05:39,613 --> 00:05:41,533 Speaker 6: just to go on the boat, didn't it. They set 101 00:05:41,573 --> 00:05:45,053 Speaker 6: off from about March and arrived in sort of May. 102 00:05:45,453 --> 00:05:48,293 Speaker 6: At some stage they had to go across the states. 103 00:05:48,333 --> 00:05:51,293 Speaker 6: They landed in San Francisco, had to go across the 104 00:05:51,333 --> 00:05:53,853 Speaker 6: states to New York and then catch a boat, the 105 00:05:54,053 --> 00:05:58,893 Speaker 6: SS Majestic it was called, and went to Southampton and 106 00:06:00,333 --> 00:06:02,053 Speaker 6: played I think. 107 00:06:01,853 --> 00:06:05,733 Speaker 3: They played I forget the name of the team wads. 108 00:06:05,773 --> 00:06:09,093 Speaker 6: You remember it was the first game they played at 109 00:06:09,173 --> 00:06:13,733 Speaker 6: Lord's and that was a kind of an educational tour. 110 00:06:14,333 --> 00:06:17,173 Speaker 6: How good are we? Can you teach us anything? And 111 00:06:17,613 --> 00:06:21,413 Speaker 6: they did extremely well. Some good players, you know, Cess 112 00:06:21,573 --> 00:06:25,973 Speaker 6: Daker got lots of runs. Stewie Dempster was in that team. 113 00:06:26,093 --> 00:06:30,413 Speaker 6: Jack Mills, the opener, was in that side. Tom Lowry, 114 00:06:30,653 --> 00:06:33,133 Speaker 6: that big guy used to wear the hat and he 115 00:06:33,213 --> 00:06:35,973 Speaker 6: was a k Ken James was the keeper and Bill 116 00:06:36,053 --> 00:06:39,893 Speaker 6: Merritt was selected on that side the youngest player eighteen 117 00:06:40,013 --> 00:06:43,813 Speaker 6: years old, fooled everybody and got over one hundred wickets 118 00:06:43,853 --> 00:06:46,893 Speaker 6: on the tour. Fantastic stuff, really, once you get into 119 00:06:46,933 --> 00:06:49,573 Speaker 6: those stories, they really are. 120 00:06:49,653 --> 00:06:49,933 Speaker 4: Yeah. 121 00:06:50,053 --> 00:06:53,373 Speaker 2: Yeah, And marriages lasted a lot longer in those days, 122 00:06:53,373 --> 00:06:55,933 Speaker 2: didn't they. I'm off for eight months on a cricket tour, Darling, 123 00:06:59,653 --> 00:07:03,853 Speaker 2: we'll leaven The more serious matters. I'm wanting to know 124 00:07:03,893 --> 00:07:10,093 Speaker 2: whether the black Caps coaching setup is suitable for purpose 125 00:07:10,213 --> 00:07:13,013 Speaker 2: at the moment, or is the change that we talked 126 00:07:13,013 --> 00:07:16,413 Speaker 2: about last week and the possibility that Gary Stead might 127 00:07:16,493 --> 00:07:21,173 Speaker 2: move on to other jobs for New Zealand Cricket a 128 00:07:21,293 --> 00:07:26,573 Speaker 2: major way of changing things we reckon mosters Gary Stead? 129 00:07:27,013 --> 00:07:28,933 Speaker 2: Would he be the ideal man to take on this 130 00:07:29,253 --> 00:07:35,053 Speaker 2: high performance role that has been vacated by Brian Stronik 131 00:07:35,373 --> 00:07:37,653 Speaker 2: and we look for other coaches to spread around the team. 132 00:07:37,693 --> 00:07:38,853 Speaker 4: Do we need two coaches? 133 00:07:40,133 --> 00:07:43,653 Speaker 5: Do we need a high performance role? Would be a 134 00:07:43,733 --> 00:07:48,093 Speaker 5: question I'd ask, But that's probably somewhat moot. I noticed 135 00:07:48,373 --> 00:07:50,413 Speaker 5: that Gary staid he's been a seven seven years. I 136 00:07:50,453 --> 00:07:54,133 Speaker 5: believe that's probably your end of view tenure. I think 137 00:07:56,133 --> 00:07:59,453 Speaker 5: it's white noise when you're talking. I think definitely time 138 00:07:59,493 --> 00:08:01,613 Speaker 5: to move on. I noticed that he's got a bit 139 00:08:01,613 --> 00:08:03,773 Speaker 5: of an each way bet going by, suggesting that he 140 00:08:03,893 --> 00:08:07,773 Speaker 5: might like to hold keep the red ball cricket, probably 141 00:08:08,533 --> 00:08:11,053 Speaker 5: while he's trying to search out and see if we 142 00:08:11,133 --> 00:08:14,413 Speaker 5: can get a franchise, gig or something. But I'm of 143 00:08:14,453 --> 00:08:17,173 Speaker 5: the views that yes, we do need to change, not 144 00:08:17,253 --> 00:08:21,933 Speaker 5: because necessarily criticism of Stead but change is probably good now, 145 00:08:22,013 --> 00:08:26,493 Speaker 5: fresh eyes probably very important. My thoughts would be that 146 00:08:26,613 --> 00:08:30,773 Speaker 5: it should be the od I fifty over and red 147 00:08:30,813 --> 00:08:33,653 Speaker 5: ball go to one coach and then a specialist twenty 148 00:08:33,733 --> 00:08:36,773 Speaker 5: twenty coach, because I think that vastly different games now, 149 00:08:37,653 --> 00:08:42,333 Speaker 5: And that would be my thoughts, because increasingly the twenty 150 00:08:42,413 --> 00:08:45,733 Speaker 5: twenty is getting getting I'll probably play more of that 151 00:08:45,773 --> 00:08:49,573 Speaker 5: we play anything else, So that would be Those would 152 00:08:49,613 --> 00:08:51,973 Speaker 5: be my thoughts, and I would love it. I mean, 153 00:08:52,213 --> 00:08:56,053 Speaker 5: there are the standards out there of players like ron Key, 154 00:08:56,133 --> 00:08:58,933 Speaker 5: and I see Rob Walter is possibly going to be 155 00:08:58,933 --> 00:09:02,013 Speaker 5: available and so on. But I'd love to see if 156 00:09:02,013 --> 00:09:03,053 Speaker 5: Gillespie still around. 157 00:09:04,293 --> 00:09:07,933 Speaker 2: Yeah, well he turned down the option, you know, and 158 00:09:07,973 --> 00:09:11,853 Speaker 2: I might change his mind. Something counted against him because 159 00:09:11,893 --> 00:09:14,773 Speaker 2: he gave up the Pakistan job very early too, didn't he. 160 00:09:15,053 --> 00:09:16,533 Speaker 4: But it's a new era, Jerrea, isn't it. 161 00:09:17,533 --> 00:09:20,493 Speaker 2: We're starting to develop new players, and instead has had 162 00:09:20,533 --> 00:09:22,973 Speaker 2: a hand in that in terms of the development of players. 163 00:09:23,013 --> 00:09:25,373 Speaker 2: So what Moose says is probably a fair point. 164 00:09:26,333 --> 00:09:29,093 Speaker 6: Yeah, And I tend to agree with the lengths of time. 165 00:09:29,173 --> 00:09:33,213 Speaker 6: I think after seven years, you know, it's how do 166 00:09:33,293 --> 00:09:35,853 Speaker 6: you continue as a coach to grow and supply new 167 00:09:35,893 --> 00:09:39,493 Speaker 6: ideas and ways of doing things, and growing a player 168 00:09:39,533 --> 00:09:43,213 Speaker 6: and taking him to the next level and hearing things 169 00:09:43,213 --> 00:09:47,933 Speaker 6: that they haven't already heard. My gut tells me, if 170 00:09:47,933 --> 00:09:50,173 Speaker 6: you haven't done that in seven years, the chances of 171 00:09:50,213 --> 00:09:52,573 Speaker 6: your doing it in the eighth and the ninth and 172 00:09:52,613 --> 00:09:56,413 Speaker 6: the tenth years are fairly slim. And so you know, 173 00:09:56,493 --> 00:09:59,653 Speaker 6: while you but you still hold a lot of intellectual 174 00:09:59,733 --> 00:10:03,013 Speaker 6: sort of knowledge and personal knowledge, which I think was 175 00:10:03,053 --> 00:10:07,813 Speaker 6: Bracewell's point. Wasn't it about trying to keep someone like 176 00:10:08,533 --> 00:10:11,133 Speaker 6: you know, Gary Stead in the mix if you can, 177 00:10:11,693 --> 00:10:15,013 Speaker 6: and maybe look at it, maybe Brian Stronix, but I 178 00:10:15,053 --> 00:10:18,493 Speaker 6: don't know. I don't know his job description. But maybe 179 00:10:18,533 --> 00:10:21,893 Speaker 6: a director of cricket I don't But you know, there's 180 00:10:21,933 --> 00:10:25,693 Speaker 6: more time to oversee the development side perhaps and to keep. 181 00:10:25,533 --> 00:10:28,973 Speaker 3: A hand, a steering hand on things that are happening. 182 00:10:29,533 --> 00:10:32,373 Speaker 6: I mean, he seems to me to be a good 183 00:10:32,413 --> 00:10:38,253 Speaker 6: worker and that might be something that certainly he could 184 00:10:38,333 --> 00:10:41,333 Speaker 6: provide for New Zealand cricket. As far as do we 185 00:10:41,413 --> 00:10:44,813 Speaker 6: need specialists, well, most sides seem to have got him 186 00:10:44,853 --> 00:10:47,093 Speaker 6: now wards, haven't they. There wouldn't be many sides without 187 00:10:47,093 --> 00:10:51,893 Speaker 6: a coach nowadays. I think Stead has kind of removed 188 00:10:51,973 --> 00:10:54,013 Speaker 6: himself from the day to day This is what the 189 00:10:54,053 --> 00:10:58,853 Speaker 6: reverse sweepers fellas. You know, he's taking a much broader 190 00:10:58,933 --> 00:11:02,253 Speaker 6: scope about the you know, and you talked about a 191 00:11:02,253 --> 00:11:05,813 Speaker 6: strategist and I think that's much more his kind of 192 00:11:05,933 --> 00:11:11,253 Speaker 6: role nowadays. And so, you know, I think maybe it 193 00:11:11,293 --> 00:11:13,733 Speaker 6: would be nice if we could get another one whether 194 00:11:14,213 --> 00:11:15,973 Speaker 6: whether you know, two coaches. 195 00:11:16,573 --> 00:11:17,773 Speaker 3: Some people don't like. 196 00:11:17,773 --> 00:11:22,373 Speaker 6: That, and you'd certainly perhaps you know, you could lack 197 00:11:22,453 --> 00:11:26,093 Speaker 6: cohesion between the two, and therefore you and players are 198 00:11:26,093 --> 00:11:29,973 Speaker 6: hearing mixed messages. But you know, coaches have different priorities 199 00:11:30,013 --> 00:11:33,933 Speaker 6: and importance of attack. And another one says, no, let's 200 00:11:33,973 --> 00:11:37,573 Speaker 6: be more measured about the way we play. The communication 201 00:11:37,693 --> 00:11:40,533 Speaker 6: between the two, would you know, have to be important 202 00:11:40,853 --> 00:11:43,613 Speaker 6: but not over consuming, if you know what I mean. 203 00:11:44,573 --> 00:11:48,373 Speaker 6: But we've used other ones rang and a Heirath. We've 204 00:11:48,453 --> 00:11:51,853 Speaker 6: used Ian Bell for batting, sir claim mushtag, haven't we? 205 00:11:52,173 --> 00:11:53,573 Speaker 6: And that's been very useful. 206 00:11:54,253 --> 00:11:57,693 Speaker 2: How much coaching, though most is done during a season, 207 00:11:57,733 --> 00:12:00,453 Speaker 2: isn't that done at the build up to the season, 208 00:12:00,493 --> 00:12:02,253 Speaker 2: when you're getting your game ready for a season? I 209 00:12:02,293 --> 00:12:04,293 Speaker 2: know there's no build ups. Now they played twelve months 210 00:12:04,293 --> 00:12:06,573 Speaker 2: of the year. But how much coaching do you do 211 00:12:06,733 --> 00:12:10,373 Speaker 2: or you as a player domestic cricket, Jerry as an 212 00:12:10,373 --> 00:12:13,733 Speaker 2: international player, did you have somebody that you spoke to 213 00:12:13,813 --> 00:12:16,813 Speaker 2: when you're facing a problem? How do I sort this 214 00:12:16,893 --> 00:12:21,213 Speaker 2: problem out? You know Martin Crowe had his schoolboy coach 215 00:12:21,253 --> 00:12:22,053 Speaker 2: and he was his name. 216 00:12:21,973 --> 00:12:22,893 Speaker 4: Harold Whitcombe. 217 00:12:23,613 --> 00:12:26,973 Speaker 2: That's correct, yes, And how much coaching would you need 218 00:12:27,013 --> 00:12:30,453 Speaker 2: to do for Martin Crowe or Caine Williamson? 219 00:12:31,373 --> 00:12:34,613 Speaker 3: Now, well, I would have thought, I mean when we played. 220 00:12:34,653 --> 00:12:36,853 Speaker 6: Of course, we didn't have a coach until Glenn Turner 221 00:12:36,973 --> 00:12:41,373 Speaker 6: arrived in nineteen eighty five. Until then it was very 222 00:12:41,453 --> 00:12:45,573 Speaker 6: much up to ourselves as players and talking to other players, 223 00:12:46,053 --> 00:12:50,053 Speaker 6: some of them have pointed out had little mentors I 224 00:12:50,053 --> 00:12:54,653 Speaker 6: would have sought today if you wanted to not have 225 00:12:54,813 --> 00:12:59,213 Speaker 6: those people there. Then the technology has enabled communication with 226 00:12:59,373 --> 00:13:02,533 Speaker 6: videos and just the way you guys are talking now, 227 00:13:02,653 --> 00:13:05,653 Speaker 6: you see, I mean, I'm sending out sort of signals 228 00:13:05,813 --> 00:13:10,213 Speaker 6: smoke signals to you guys from here. But but you know, 229 00:13:10,293 --> 00:13:12,933 Speaker 6: it's possible to be in touch, isn't it, even though 230 00:13:13,013 --> 00:13:16,453 Speaker 6: you're off site. I mean, you would miss things like 231 00:13:17,173 --> 00:13:19,693 Speaker 6: you know, not getting the crowd and the heat and 232 00:13:19,733 --> 00:13:22,093 Speaker 6: the practice conditions, and the travel and the food and 233 00:13:22,133 --> 00:13:25,013 Speaker 6: the sleep and so on. You wouldn't know about that 234 00:13:25,173 --> 00:13:28,613 Speaker 6: so much. But as far as if you have your 235 00:13:28,653 --> 00:13:31,093 Speaker 6: person that you're talking to, it is possible to be 236 00:13:31,133 --> 00:13:31,573 Speaker 6: in touch. 237 00:13:31,653 --> 00:13:32,013 Speaker 3: Surely. 238 00:13:32,813 --> 00:13:35,053 Speaker 5: I think by the time you get to international level, 239 00:13:35,773 --> 00:13:37,893 Speaker 5: do you need a coach? I don't think you do it, 240 00:13:37,933 --> 00:13:40,773 Speaker 5: because if you want, your ability will have got you 241 00:13:40,853 --> 00:13:43,133 Speaker 5: there and you will have been in still with it. Also, 242 00:13:43,173 --> 00:13:45,973 Speaker 5: from what I gather these days is that every young 243 00:13:46,053 --> 00:13:51,653 Speaker 5: kid now has a coach, private coaches. There's a preponderance 244 00:13:51,693 --> 00:13:54,533 Speaker 5: of them from all accounts, so they're getting lots of 245 00:13:54,533 --> 00:13:58,453 Speaker 5: coaching from the young age upwards. The main thing I 246 00:13:59,253 --> 00:14:03,653 Speaker 5: believe around it is actually it's more what's going on 247 00:14:03,693 --> 00:14:07,093 Speaker 5: in your head, and that's where the coaching probably is required, 248 00:14:07,133 --> 00:14:11,493 Speaker 5: which is more the strategies or or giving people the 249 00:14:13,293 --> 00:14:18,373 Speaker 5: environment in order how to succeed, to to create team 250 00:14:18,413 --> 00:14:21,173 Speaker 5: cultures and all those sorts of things. That's the fundamental piece, 251 00:14:21,493 --> 00:14:24,653 Speaker 5: not when not not not when you you know, de 252 00:14:24,773 --> 00:14:27,053 Speaker 5: picked about upright, and do you bring it down down correct? 253 00:14:27,093 --> 00:14:29,693 Speaker 5: So those I think those things, there's technical things are 254 00:14:29,773 --> 00:14:32,213 Speaker 5: less important, although they do crop up. And I remember 255 00:14:32,293 --> 00:14:36,693 Speaker 5: Ross Tyler, I think, was having difficulties at one point 256 00:14:36,733 --> 00:14:39,213 Speaker 5: and went to Martin Crow and fixed it up. But 257 00:14:39,773 --> 00:14:44,493 Speaker 5: that's that's at the margin, I think. So the work 258 00:14:44,533 --> 00:14:47,453 Speaker 5: of a coach is sort of an interesting thing, and 259 00:14:47,573 --> 00:14:50,253 Speaker 5: having four or five of them on any any given 260 00:14:50,293 --> 00:14:54,853 Speaker 5: touring party just seems and they over here perhaps not 261 00:14:54,853 --> 00:14:56,173 Speaker 5: always necessary, I don't know. 262 00:14:56,973 --> 00:14:58,893 Speaker 4: Yeah, they make the team photo. 263 00:14:59,133 --> 00:15:00,653 Speaker 2: You know, you've got to have an aerial shot to 264 00:15:00,693 --> 00:15:03,413 Speaker 2: get the full team photo these days, don't you, because 265 00:15:03,453 --> 00:15:06,413 Speaker 2: it's fifteen players but twenty two coaches or. 266 00:15:07,853 --> 00:15:10,533 Speaker 5: Advice, Well, you do need someone to put the cones 267 00:15:10,573 --> 00:15:15,133 Speaker 5: out and pick the balls up and the dog front. Yeah, yep, 268 00:15:15,173 --> 00:15:18,013 Speaker 5: correctly if you connect the dog for us. But I mean, 269 00:15:18,853 --> 00:15:21,653 Speaker 5: I'm making light of it, but in fact, hey, it's 270 00:15:21,693 --> 00:15:25,653 Speaker 5: wonderful if you've got all of that. I mean, some 271 00:15:25,693 --> 00:15:27,693 Speaker 5: of us when we were playing, our biggest problems were 272 00:15:27,733 --> 00:15:34,173 Speaker 5: just absence of ability and you can't change that, whereas 273 00:15:34,173 --> 00:15:35,653 Speaker 5: these guys have got plenty of it. 274 00:15:36,133 --> 00:15:39,133 Speaker 6: And the thing is, though, guys, haven't we reached a 275 00:15:39,213 --> 00:15:44,573 Speaker 6: sort of a stage that now the focus is on professionalism, 276 00:15:44,613 --> 00:15:48,853 Speaker 6: and not just in cricket but throughout all sports and 277 00:15:48,973 --> 00:15:51,133 Speaker 6: lots of other things. And so what happens is the 278 00:15:51,173 --> 00:15:55,733 Speaker 6: game is generally deconstructed and broken down into the different 279 00:15:55,813 --> 00:15:59,573 Speaker 6: skills that there are, and there are specialists that are 280 00:15:59,733 --> 00:16:04,613 Speaker 6: hired to advise and assist players to improve in those areas. 281 00:16:08,053 --> 00:16:11,293 Speaker 6: I just feel that's quite a now, I mean, that 282 00:16:11,333 --> 00:16:14,533 Speaker 6: can be useful. You're right to ask the questions, I think, 283 00:16:15,133 --> 00:16:18,053 Speaker 6: because I think that's easy to accumulate more and more 284 00:16:18,093 --> 00:16:22,973 Speaker 6: and more and more around you, and the players then 285 00:16:23,133 --> 00:16:27,373 Speaker 6: start to stop thinking about their games and they rely 286 00:16:27,493 --> 00:16:30,493 Speaker 6: on other people and slips of paper coming under the 287 00:16:30,573 --> 00:16:34,693 Speaker 6: door at night when you prepare for the next game. 288 00:16:35,333 --> 00:16:37,533 Speaker 6: And so that's a bit of a danger, it thinks 289 00:16:37,573 --> 00:16:38,973 Speaker 6: to I think. 290 00:16:39,693 --> 00:16:43,093 Speaker 5: You picked on the use of some specialists at certain 291 00:16:43,133 --> 00:16:47,573 Speaker 5: points which were boarding from local territories, like was it 292 00:16:47,653 --> 00:16:52,453 Speaker 5: here from Sri Lanka? That has real merit because if 293 00:16:52,533 --> 00:16:55,933 Speaker 5: I'm a spinner bowling spin in New Zealand is quite 294 00:16:56,013 --> 00:17:00,253 Speaker 5: different thing from what it would be or or Sri Lanka. 295 00:17:00,413 --> 00:17:03,093 Speaker 5: You know at what pace, what speed, what's my length? 296 00:17:03,213 --> 00:17:10,133 Speaker 5: All of those things become really important, and that's where 297 00:17:10,173 --> 00:17:12,933 Speaker 5: you get the benefit of that intellectual property, if you will, 298 00:17:13,853 --> 00:17:18,373 Speaker 5: from the local specialists I think that's really valuable. Absolutely. 299 00:17:19,453 --> 00:17:22,133 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, it's something that we need to look at 300 00:17:22,213 --> 00:17:25,173 Speaker 2: and I'm sure over the next few weeks, even months, 301 00:17:25,653 --> 00:17:29,733 Speaker 2: when Gary Stead's job is completed, we will find that out. 302 00:17:29,773 --> 00:17:32,733 Speaker 2: There's not much for them to do at the moment 303 00:17:32,773 --> 00:17:35,533 Speaker 2: in terms of a New Zealand team because they're all 304 00:17:35,533 --> 00:17:39,213 Speaker 2: heading off to various contracts. What there is to do, though, 305 00:17:39,333 --> 00:17:42,453 Speaker 2: is a coach is needed for a New Zealand A side. Now, 306 00:17:42,493 --> 00:17:44,813 Speaker 2: you wouldn't believe the fun I've had trying to find 307 00:17:44,853 --> 00:17:49,013 Speaker 2: out this New Zealand A side. New Zealand Cricket media 308 00:17:49,413 --> 00:17:52,933 Speaker 2: person told me yesterday that the team is being named 309 00:17:52,933 --> 00:17:56,333 Speaker 2: on the twenty eighth of April and they're leaving on 310 00:17:56,373 --> 00:18:01,493 Speaker 2: the first of May for Bangladesh, which makes it a 311 00:18:01,773 --> 00:18:05,253 Speaker 2: very tight schedule. Now, whether or not the team has 312 00:18:05,333 --> 00:18:07,133 Speaker 2: been named, I don't know, but I've spoken to three 313 00:18:07,133 --> 00:18:10,493 Speaker 2: players who are already in it and it hasn't been 314 00:18:10,933 --> 00:18:12,693 Speaker 2: revealed publicly. 315 00:18:12,773 --> 00:18:14,733 Speaker 4: I can't work out the reason. 316 00:18:14,773 --> 00:18:19,253 Speaker 2: If you've got a team going to the Bangladesh and 317 00:18:19,373 --> 00:18:21,573 Speaker 2: South Africa, why don't you just get it out there 318 00:18:21,573 --> 00:18:23,853 Speaker 2: and celebrate it and let these guys have their name 319 00:18:23,933 --> 00:18:24,573 Speaker 2: put it forward. 320 00:18:25,133 --> 00:18:29,093 Speaker 4: But it's going to contain a crop of developing players. 321 00:18:30,053 --> 00:18:30,333 Speaker 5: Jerry. 322 00:18:30,373 --> 00:18:34,093 Speaker 2: I've sent a list of names to There's some good 323 00:18:34,173 --> 00:18:36,973 Speaker 2: players in that list that have had good seasons of 324 00:18:37,253 --> 00:18:40,053 Speaker 2: first class cricket and it's great that they're getting this opportunity. 325 00:18:40,533 --> 00:18:47,533 Speaker 6: Yeah, I received the list was by Horseback and it's 326 00:18:47,573 --> 00:18:49,373 Speaker 6: an interesting group of players, isn't it. 327 00:18:49,613 --> 00:18:51,413 Speaker 3: My first thought when I saw. 328 00:18:51,213 --> 00:18:56,293 Speaker 6: It was, of course that it was a developmental side, 329 00:18:57,133 --> 00:18:59,933 Speaker 6: not so much what I would call an a team. 330 00:19:01,053 --> 00:19:04,653 Speaker 6: There were no Henry Cooper's Tom Bruce he might be 331 00:19:04,693 --> 00:19:09,053 Speaker 6: overseas at the moment. There was no Jacob Dahee overseas, 332 00:19:09,093 --> 00:19:12,373 Speaker 6: No age As Patel that you know, Brett Randell, that 333 00:19:12,613 --> 00:19:16,573 Speaker 6: side that beat Australia in two matches in Australia a 334 00:19:16,613 --> 00:19:21,333 Speaker 6: couple of years ago. They just Dean Foxcroft is not there. 335 00:19:21,613 --> 00:19:25,613 Speaker 6: Doug Bracewell is not there. So it is very much 336 00:19:25,693 --> 00:19:28,613 Speaker 6: a developmental side. And whether that's come from the Pakistan 337 00:19:29,093 --> 00:19:31,813 Speaker 6: the recent series and the performance that some of our 338 00:19:31,893 --> 00:19:36,213 Speaker 6: younger players had and the confidence therefore has grown in 339 00:19:36,253 --> 00:19:39,053 Speaker 6: them to be, you know, selecting a side like this, 340 00:19:40,933 --> 00:19:45,013 Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't whether they're selecting a different 341 00:19:45,093 --> 00:19:48,693 Speaker 6: side to play South Africa. I don't know, as you say. 342 00:19:48,733 --> 00:19:51,253 Speaker 6: I looked on the New Zealand site it wasn't there, 343 00:19:52,733 --> 00:19:55,493 Speaker 6: which seems a bit weird. But yeah, look there are 344 00:19:55,533 --> 00:20:00,333 Speaker 6: a range of players there. I questioned a couple well. 345 00:20:00,533 --> 00:20:02,333 Speaker 6: I questioned, why is a Shodhi there? 346 00:20:03,013 --> 00:20:03,973 Speaker 3: Now? That's interesting. 347 00:20:04,053 --> 00:20:07,453 Speaker 6: I don't know what the schedule is, whether he's he's 348 00:20:07,613 --> 00:20:10,253 Speaker 6: very much regard as a white ball player these days. 349 00:20:10,453 --> 00:20:13,213 Speaker 6: Addie Ashock, the other leg spinner, is also there. Do 350 00:20:13,253 --> 00:20:18,293 Speaker 6: we need two legs spinners? Those kinds of questions. Is 351 00:20:18,293 --> 00:20:21,693 Speaker 6: is Sody a development player? Is he there as a 352 00:20:21,733 --> 00:20:25,453 Speaker 6: semi coach? I don't know. You know, there are some 353 00:20:25,613 --> 00:20:27,973 Speaker 6: left armors there, which is good to see Ben Lister 354 00:20:28,133 --> 00:20:28,933 Speaker 6: back in the team. 355 00:20:29,493 --> 00:20:31,573 Speaker 3: I think if Addie. 356 00:20:31,213 --> 00:20:36,013 Speaker 6: Ashock has his Sodi, why doesn't Why doesn't Jaden Lennox 357 00:20:36,333 --> 00:20:38,453 Speaker 6: have age as Patel there? 358 00:20:39,493 --> 00:20:39,893 Speaker 3: You see? 359 00:20:39,933 --> 00:20:43,693 Speaker 6: I think there are some there are some conundrums about 360 00:20:43,733 --> 00:20:47,653 Speaker 6: the side. But having said that, the names that we 361 00:20:47,693 --> 00:20:51,733 Speaker 6: would expect for youngsters and Rhys Murray, who's there? 362 00:20:52,493 --> 00:20:54,853 Speaker 3: Muhammad Abbas is there? Nick Kelly? 363 00:20:55,013 --> 00:20:59,613 Speaker 6: Some of the guys it isn't aged dependent Nick Kelly's 364 00:20:59,653 --> 00:21:02,373 Speaker 6: thirty one, Joe Carter, the captain of the red ball side. 365 00:21:02,413 --> 00:21:05,333 Speaker 3: I see that is he's thirty two at that place 366 00:21:05,333 --> 00:21:06,053 Speaker 3: for Northern. 367 00:21:05,813 --> 00:21:09,973 Speaker 6: Districts, and you know there are some older players there, 368 00:21:10,093 --> 00:21:12,533 Speaker 6: Josh Clark's and we know is the name as well. 369 00:21:12,973 --> 00:21:16,293 Speaker 6: We probably I don't know Dale Phillips quite so well 370 00:21:16,373 --> 00:21:19,053 Speaker 6: or Christian Clark. I've looked them up to see where 371 00:21:19,053 --> 00:21:21,533 Speaker 6: they've come from and what their performances have been like, 372 00:21:22,213 --> 00:21:24,173 Speaker 6: but none of them have had the sort of the 373 00:21:24,253 --> 00:21:27,773 Speaker 6: games and the number of first class games. That's say, 374 00:21:28,333 --> 00:21:30,293 Speaker 6: Google Line, who was in the A side had one 375 00:21:30,333 --> 00:21:33,253 Speaker 6: hundred and ten ages, battell as one hundred and ten 376 00:21:33,333 --> 00:21:37,213 Speaker 6: first class Henry Cooper opening bats and last time against 377 00:21:37,253 --> 00:21:41,973 Speaker 6: Australia sixty eight. These guys have got thirteen fourteen. You 378 00:21:42,053 --> 00:21:47,213 Speaker 6: know those kinds of numbers. Zach Folks eighteen, Jadan Lennox fourteen. 379 00:21:47,573 --> 00:21:50,613 Speaker 6: He's thirty. That's interesting, isn't It came to the game 380 00:21:50,733 --> 00:21:55,693 Speaker 6: late perhaps so he's out the left arm orthodox So look, 381 00:21:55,813 --> 00:21:58,853 Speaker 6: it's an interesting side. Let's see how that's not going 382 00:21:58,933 --> 00:22:02,533 Speaker 6: to be easy in Bangladesh. I wouldn't have thought very 383 00:22:02,573 --> 00:22:04,253 Speaker 6: good for them to play spin bowling. 384 00:22:04,613 --> 00:22:06,573 Speaker 5: I like your point around it being in development, so 385 00:22:06,613 --> 00:22:08,533 Speaker 5: I rather than a son. I agree with you that 386 00:22:08,613 --> 00:22:12,493 Speaker 5: on that score, the sensus is it's an opportunity to 387 00:22:12,653 --> 00:22:17,453 Speaker 5: provide experience in other countries quite different from what a 388 00:22:17,493 --> 00:22:20,013 Speaker 5: lot of these players will have had, and that must 389 00:22:20,093 --> 00:22:23,053 Speaker 5: be invaluable for building a depth in the game in 390 00:22:23,133 --> 00:22:27,373 Speaker 5: New Zealand. Uh And, and I'm greatly encouraged by what 391 00:22:27,373 --> 00:22:30,173 Speaker 5: what what I'm seeing in terms of the broader depth 392 00:22:30,253 --> 00:22:32,773 Speaker 5: across it. You know, watching a couple of first class 393 00:22:32,773 --> 00:22:37,493 Speaker 5: games recently in particularly, you know, watching Wellington beat up 394 00:22:37,493 --> 00:22:41,293 Speaker 5: on Cannery a beautiful thing. But this, you know, the 395 00:22:41,333 --> 00:22:45,493 Speaker 5: cricket was was was very good. And so if this 396 00:22:45,613 --> 00:22:47,453 Speaker 5: is the cream of the crop, there's also quite a 397 00:22:47,573 --> 00:22:52,413 Speaker 5: quite a u a spread of really good talent all 398 00:22:52,453 --> 00:22:56,413 Speaker 5: through the game. And much much credit must be given 399 00:22:56,453 --> 00:23:00,853 Speaker 5: to to all the other coaches in the provinces because 400 00:23:01,173 --> 00:23:05,893 Speaker 5: you know, what you're seeing here is is building great 401 00:23:05,973 --> 00:23:09,453 Speaker 5: depth and balance for for for the game left arms 402 00:23:09,453 --> 00:23:12,453 Speaker 5: in particular. I notes I'm really pleased about that bringing 403 00:23:12,493 --> 00:23:15,373 Speaker 5: in a new keeper like Curtis hefe as opposed to 404 00:23:16,013 --> 00:23:19,453 Speaker 5: from c D. Whereas the Dane Cleaver, who's been a 405 00:23:19,533 --> 00:23:22,413 Speaker 5: very unlucky chap I think not getting more cricket, because 406 00:23:22,533 --> 00:23:28,453 Speaker 5: fine cricketer, but maybe ages against him. But I'm thrilled 407 00:23:28,493 --> 00:23:33,653 Speaker 5: that in zed Ce are making way for these A 408 00:23:33,853 --> 00:23:36,413 Speaker 5: tours because I think that coming off the back of 409 00:23:36,413 --> 00:23:38,973 Speaker 5: that one in Australia, that's been invaluable for us for 410 00:23:39,053 --> 00:23:43,093 Speaker 5: on earthing the people like the big quick from Canterbury 411 00:23:43,133 --> 00:23:47,693 Speaker 5: God yeah correct, I mean yeah, and some others. They're fantastic, 412 00:23:47,773 --> 00:23:48,373 Speaker 5: yes indeed. 413 00:23:48,813 --> 00:23:49,053 Speaker 4: Yeah. 414 00:23:49,133 --> 00:23:52,453 Speaker 2: And it's important that they have this offseason competition because 415 00:23:52,493 --> 00:23:53,933 Speaker 2: they don't get it. If you go away with the 416 00:23:53,973 --> 00:23:56,373 Speaker 2: New Zealand side, now you're right for the tests the 417 00:23:56,413 --> 00:23:58,613 Speaker 2: one day as the teath readies and that's it. There's 418 00:23:58,693 --> 00:24:01,853 Speaker 2: no warm up match that you can have a net 419 00:24:01,893 --> 00:24:04,813 Speaker 2: and then go out and play Sussex on a tour 420 00:24:04,813 --> 00:24:09,213 Speaker 2: of England or you know, a selection in India or 421 00:24:09,253 --> 00:24:12,053 Speaker 2: South Africa or wherever you go. So it's great that 422 00:24:12,093 --> 00:24:15,213 Speaker 2: they've got that and we'll try and back down someone 423 00:24:15,293 --> 00:24:17,453 Speaker 2: involved with the team coaching. 424 00:24:17,533 --> 00:24:23,493 Speaker 4: I presume it'll be Bob Carter and Paul Wiseman. They're 425 00:24:23,573 --> 00:24:25,333 Speaker 4: the high performance coaches. 426 00:24:25,413 --> 00:24:28,453 Speaker 2: So we'll do some investigating and perhaps talk about it 427 00:24:29,333 --> 00:24:29,893 Speaker 2: next week. 428 00:24:30,293 --> 00:24:33,453 Speaker 6: What that position is very important, isn't it that there's 429 00:24:33,533 --> 00:24:35,373 Speaker 6: the one thing that's missing for us. 430 00:24:35,573 --> 00:24:37,373 Speaker 3: If there was a place for a coach. 431 00:24:37,893 --> 00:24:43,053 Speaker 6: Younger players going away to an unfamiliar country and unfamiliar 432 00:24:43,093 --> 00:24:47,293 Speaker 6: conditions could easily you could see need after a failure 433 00:24:47,413 --> 00:24:50,533 Speaker 6: or two to have someone around to put an arm 434 00:24:50,533 --> 00:24:55,853 Speaker 6: around the shoulder and sort of supply some confidence, talk 435 00:24:55,933 --> 00:24:59,893 Speaker 6: about how to play against these kind of players and 436 00:24:59,933 --> 00:25:03,973 Speaker 6: these conditions. I would say that's more the place where 437 00:25:04,013 --> 00:25:06,213 Speaker 6: you'd need a coach rather than the black Caps. 438 00:25:06,733 --> 00:25:10,413 Speaker 1: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Honey on the front foot. 439 00:25:10,693 --> 00:25:14,933 Speaker 2: We're going back in time, remember this ninth of April 440 00:25:15,133 --> 00:25:16,213 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy two. 441 00:25:16,973 --> 00:25:19,573 Speaker 8: No, how is I had the lake cut there down 442 00:25:20,133 --> 00:25:22,533 Speaker 8: little bit down the one the third man we'll go 443 00:25:22,733 --> 00:25:25,773 Speaker 8: before having it goes into the boundary now and that's 444 00:25:25,813 --> 00:25:27,173 Speaker 8: center double sent three. 445 00:25:29,813 --> 00:25:30,853 Speaker 1: And a double ten three. 446 00:25:30,893 --> 00:25:32,653 Speaker 8: He's but at the morn he's got two. 447 00:25:33,933 --> 00:25:34,533 Speaker 1: He's supporting. 448 00:25:34,613 --> 00:25:38,133 Speaker 8: He's got three now three supporters coming onto the field 449 00:25:38,173 --> 00:25:41,813 Speaker 8: to count slate turn on his double tent three one 450 00:25:41,973 --> 00:25:45,053 Speaker 8: rather feels really coming on and not the fastest and 451 00:25:45,133 --> 00:25:48,733 Speaker 8: runners he's really digging. The longest is time to get 452 00:25:48,733 --> 00:25:49,333 Speaker 8: out to the middle. 453 00:25:49,373 --> 00:25:50,093 Speaker 6: But he'll get there. 454 00:25:50,373 --> 00:25:52,373 Speaker 8: That lay Turner on his double tent three. 455 00:25:54,373 --> 00:25:56,613 Speaker 9: And at a cover by winnage the part of the 456 00:25:56,973 --> 00:26:00,373 Speaker 9: end Jarvin and I caught by winners that cover off 457 00:26:00,413 --> 00:26:04,133 Speaker 9: the boarding of over and this long and fine opening 458 00:26:04,253 --> 00:26:09,333 Speaker 9: monitor finally ended at three hundred and eighty seven Garding 459 00:26:09,453 --> 00:26:12,133 Speaker 9: though that cover a. 460 00:26:14,973 --> 00:26:18,613 Speaker 4: Bol turn Terry Jarvis. 461 00:26:19,173 --> 00:26:22,293 Speaker 2: That was a great partnership. Three hundred and eighty two 462 00:26:22,853 --> 00:26:24,013 Speaker 2: on the border ground. 463 00:26:24,133 --> 00:26:27,093 Speaker 3: Now you better there, yep, I faced you. There was 464 00:26:27,173 --> 00:26:30,853 Speaker 3: on the tennis courts, didn't I I couldn't get your way. Well, 465 00:26:31,013 --> 00:26:34,853 Speaker 3: you were going. You were going subterranean, boy, I tell you. 466 00:26:35,733 --> 00:26:36,533 Speaker 4: So many times. 467 00:26:37,133 --> 00:26:38,173 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, and. 468 00:26:38,893 --> 00:26:41,013 Speaker 6: Actually it was interesting to get Well. That was Tony 469 00:26:41,133 --> 00:26:43,533 Speaker 6: Cozy a young Tony Cozier doing the commentary. 470 00:26:43,533 --> 00:26:45,893 Speaker 3: I think words. Yeah, no longer with us. 471 00:26:45,893 --> 00:26:49,973 Speaker 6: God rest is yeah, God rest and rest his soul. Look, 472 00:26:50,013 --> 00:26:52,773 Speaker 6: they were all draws, weren't they? In that there are 473 00:26:52,853 --> 00:26:55,213 Speaker 6: five test matches, all draws. 474 00:26:55,253 --> 00:26:55,853 Speaker 3: The first two. 475 00:26:57,533 --> 00:26:59,773 Speaker 6: Turner got the first two hundred and the first match 476 00:26:59,853 --> 00:27:02,053 Speaker 6: in Jamaica. Congo got one hundred and sixty in the 477 00:27:02,133 --> 00:27:05,733 Speaker 6: second Test in Port of Spain. Then they played the 478 00:27:05,853 --> 00:27:09,373 Speaker 6: third Test in Barbados, the one that New Zealand really 479 00:27:09,493 --> 00:27:12,773 Speaker 6: could have won. They bowled Westerndies out for one hundred 480 00:27:12,773 --> 00:27:17,213 Speaker 6: and thirty tails seven for seventy four. Terrific bowler. He 481 00:27:17,453 --> 00:27:20,493 Speaker 6: was too, you know, at his peak. And then New 482 00:27:20,573 --> 00:27:23,773 Speaker 6: Zealand got four hundred and twenty and they were going nicely, 483 00:27:23,813 --> 00:27:25,773 Speaker 6: had a few wickets and then there was a partnership 484 00:27:25,813 --> 00:27:32,253 Speaker 6: between Charlie Davis and Garfield Sobers. Sobers nicked one jar 485 00:27:32,493 --> 00:27:36,893 Speaker 6: for some reason inexplicably a good slipper dropped it went 486 00:27:36,973 --> 00:27:39,293 Speaker 6: on to get one hundred and forty two Sobers and 487 00:27:39,453 --> 00:27:42,813 Speaker 6: Charlie Davis got dropped by Turner, another good slipper five 488 00:27:42,933 --> 00:27:43,973 Speaker 6: hundred and sixty four. 489 00:27:44,573 --> 00:27:46,933 Speaker 3: And then Dowling left the side. He was the captain. 490 00:27:47,293 --> 00:27:48,773 Speaker 3: He went back with a back problem. 491 00:27:49,213 --> 00:27:52,013 Speaker 6: And then they played this match that we were listening 492 00:27:52,053 --> 00:27:55,373 Speaker 6: to the Fourth Test at Border and Georgetown. 493 00:27:55,973 --> 00:27:58,853 Speaker 3: They it was they in those days. 494 00:27:58,893 --> 00:28:02,133 Speaker 6: They said, man it bouncers there, u bowler, bouncer there, 495 00:28:02,173 --> 00:28:05,253 Speaker 6: it'll bounce twice on the way to the keeper. 496 00:28:05,813 --> 00:28:07,893 Speaker 4: It was a dead dead. 497 00:28:10,293 --> 00:28:13,453 Speaker 6: West and he's got three sixty odd and declared on 498 00:28:13,613 --> 00:28:16,693 Speaker 6: the third day why would. 499 00:28:16,573 --> 00:28:17,453 Speaker 3: You carry on? 500 00:28:17,733 --> 00:28:21,293 Speaker 6: Just carry on the whole five days, you know, And 501 00:28:21,493 --> 00:28:26,373 Speaker 6: that's when Turner and Jarvis started before lunch on that 502 00:28:26,613 --> 00:28:28,053 Speaker 6: third day and they carried on. 503 00:28:28,853 --> 00:28:31,653 Speaker 3: They had a riot. I know that Clive Lloyd, who 504 00:28:31,733 --> 00:28:34,453 Speaker 3: was the local man, was run out and. 505 00:28:36,293 --> 00:28:40,213 Speaker 6: They then they bombed tails down on the boundary with bottles, 506 00:28:40,973 --> 00:28:43,413 Speaker 6: and so they all the New Zealanders came together. He 507 00:28:43,493 --> 00:28:45,413 Speaker 6: was a good man to bomb too. He was trying 508 00:28:45,453 --> 00:28:47,013 Speaker 6: to drink the sort of the little bits out of 509 00:28:47,013 --> 00:28:47,893 Speaker 6: the bottom of the bottles. 510 00:28:48,973 --> 00:28:50,413 Speaker 3: And they all met. 511 00:28:50,333 --> 00:28:54,013 Speaker 6: Together in the middle of the ground and then a 512 00:28:54,133 --> 00:28:57,293 Speaker 6: girl ran out to try and run it, Charlie Davis, 513 00:28:57,293 --> 00:29:01,693 Speaker 6: who had actually not run the single, and he was 514 00:29:01,773 --> 00:29:03,773 Speaker 6: run out as he turned around, had to go back 515 00:29:04,413 --> 00:29:08,613 Speaker 6: Clive Lloyd, and of course that's when then they when 516 00:29:08,693 --> 00:29:12,253 Speaker 6: everyone rioted, so the policeman on the horses were there. 517 00:29:12,773 --> 00:29:15,293 Speaker 6: They had to clean up the offerings they put out 518 00:29:15,413 --> 00:29:19,653 Speaker 6: that morning with a shovel, and then the game resumed 519 00:29:21,533 --> 00:29:25,053 Speaker 6: and then Turner and Jarvis just carried on, just carried on, 520 00:29:25,813 --> 00:29:28,093 Speaker 6: and one hundred and sixty three for none at the 521 00:29:28,253 --> 00:29:32,133 Speaker 6: end of day three two forty six. At lunch on 522 00:29:32,333 --> 00:29:36,093 Speaker 6: day four, and that was when jav flice to drive. 523 00:29:36,333 --> 00:29:39,173 Speaker 6: We heard him caught by Greenwich there in the covers 524 00:29:39,893 --> 00:29:43,053 Speaker 6: for one hundred and eighty two. So New Zealand Day 525 00:29:43,133 --> 00:29:45,813 Speaker 6: four four hundred and ten for one, Turner two hundred 526 00:29:45,813 --> 00:29:49,093 Speaker 6: and ten and then and the Congo sixty one not 527 00:29:49,253 --> 00:29:51,893 Speaker 6: out Turner got out in the last day, Day five, 528 00:29:52,133 --> 00:29:56,693 Speaker 6: New Zealand five hundred and forty three for three declared 529 00:29:57,733 --> 00:30:00,533 Speaker 6: that was the fourth draw and then the sixth the 530 00:30:01,293 --> 00:30:03,213 Speaker 6: last test they added on a day and that was 531 00:30:03,253 --> 00:30:06,853 Speaker 6: a drawer as well. New Zealand clung clung to plung 532 00:30:06,933 --> 00:30:10,773 Speaker 6: on in the end, so they said of Turner, actually 533 00:30:11,293 --> 00:30:14,453 Speaker 6: I found a little quote that he was the apostle 534 00:30:15,013 --> 00:30:21,813 Speaker 6: of masterly inactivity, which I kind. 535 00:30:21,653 --> 00:30:28,213 Speaker 5: Of like, Yeah, the the the the thing that I 536 00:30:28,373 --> 00:30:30,573 Speaker 5: remember as a as a as a young kid, because 537 00:30:30,573 --> 00:30:32,053 Speaker 5: I'm naturally quite a lot younger than both of you, 538 00:30:33,133 --> 00:30:38,493 Speaker 5: was actually the rather the rather lovely West Indian accent 539 00:30:38,733 --> 00:30:42,533 Speaker 5: of Tony Cozier coming through on a somewhat crackly wireless 540 00:30:44,013 --> 00:30:49,773 Speaker 5: very evocative times past and listening to Yeah the job 541 00:30:49,853 --> 00:30:54,173 Speaker 5: and Glenn Turner grinding out those runs and Bruce Taylor 542 00:30:54,173 --> 00:30:57,933 Speaker 5: getting those wickings and Barbados, great memories against a pretty 543 00:30:57,973 --> 00:31:02,533 Speaker 5: good West Indian team, all very good. Yeah, Garry Sobers 544 00:31:02,613 --> 00:31:07,133 Speaker 5: and geez, some good players on their Greenwich Wow good Good. 545 00:31:08,733 --> 00:31:11,133 Speaker 4: Was a good player too, and didn't quite get the recognition. 546 00:31:11,253 --> 00:31:13,493 Speaker 2: I suppose the thing I could never work out about 547 00:31:13,533 --> 00:31:16,933 Speaker 2: that tour was Taylor's got twenty seven wickets. 548 00:31:16,573 --> 00:31:18,693 Speaker 4: And four Test. Yes, did he play the first Test? 549 00:31:19,373 --> 00:31:20,573 Speaker 4: And I could never work out why. 550 00:31:20,653 --> 00:31:22,333 Speaker 2: But then when you look at the course, you probably 551 00:31:22,413 --> 00:31:26,373 Speaker 2: understand everybody was getting double centuries and you wouldn't want 552 00:31:26,373 --> 00:31:27,773 Speaker 2: to be bowling in those situations. 553 00:31:30,013 --> 00:31:34,373 Speaker 3: He talked his way out of it once. But you're right, yeah, yeah, 554 00:31:35,813 --> 00:31:37,893 Speaker 3: I mean you look at Howarth Hendley. 555 00:31:37,933 --> 00:31:43,133 Speaker 6: Howarth bold the most overs nearly four hundred, Congdon Bowld 556 00:31:43,253 --> 00:31:47,213 Speaker 6: the next best, next number of overs two hundred and 557 00:31:47,373 --> 00:31:49,773 Speaker 6: so you can see with those two bowls what the 558 00:31:49,853 --> 00:31:56,413 Speaker 6: pictures were kind of like slow, low, horrible things. Cunis 559 00:31:56,453 --> 00:31:59,093 Speaker 6: bowl one hundred nay, Taylor only bowl one hundred and 560 00:31:59,133 --> 00:32:02,093 Speaker 6: seventy odd overs got the most wickets. As you say, 561 00:32:03,053 --> 00:32:08,093 Speaker 6: Jack Alabaster was on that tour, only bowld fifty overs. 562 00:32:09,053 --> 00:32:10,893 Speaker 3: Morgan joined Murray. 563 00:32:10,653 --> 00:32:16,533 Speaker 6: Webb was on that tour because you know, Dale Hadley 564 00:32:16,653 --> 00:32:18,493 Speaker 6: it had been injured a bit, Motts and Da had 565 00:32:19,013 --> 00:32:23,253 Speaker 6: at that stage retired and the three we don't play 566 00:32:23,333 --> 00:32:29,933 Speaker 6: on Sundays. Murray, Yule and Pollard, we're not in that 567 00:32:30,093 --> 00:32:30,733 Speaker 6: team at all. 568 00:32:30,853 --> 00:32:33,053 Speaker 3: So they had a few new guys. Jarv was one 569 00:32:33,133 --> 00:32:33,373 Speaker 3: of them. 570 00:32:33,733 --> 00:32:38,413 Speaker 6: Collins got injured on that tour and tragically lost a 571 00:32:38,533 --> 00:32:40,413 Speaker 6: daughter as well, so he went home as well. 572 00:32:40,933 --> 00:32:42,773 Speaker 3: Ross Morgan went to replace. 573 00:32:44,093 --> 00:32:47,213 Speaker 6: As a replacement for those players, so they were down 574 00:32:47,293 --> 00:32:50,093 Speaker 6: at bowler a left arm bowler in Collins as well. 575 00:32:51,133 --> 00:32:53,373 Speaker 4: It's interesting talking about pace bowlers. Of course you mentioned 576 00:32:53,453 --> 00:32:53,853 Speaker 4: Murray web. 577 00:32:53,973 --> 00:32:55,813 Speaker 2: I think he played in that first game because they 578 00:32:55,893 --> 00:32:59,053 Speaker 2: wanted someone to get to some pace and bounce on 579 00:32:59,173 --> 00:33:03,013 Speaker 2: Sabina Park. I remember a lovely story about Sabina Park. 580 00:33:03,533 --> 00:33:05,493 Speaker 2: A fellow who played in that Test match against New 581 00:33:05,573 --> 00:33:07,253 Speaker 2: Zealand Uton dow. 582 00:33:08,813 --> 00:33:09,053 Speaker 3: Ut. 583 00:33:10,973 --> 00:33:11,653 Speaker 4: Yeah, fast ball. 584 00:33:11,773 --> 00:33:14,293 Speaker 2: He was pretty sharp too, but he only ever played 585 00:33:14,653 --> 00:33:18,293 Speaker 2: four Test matches. But they played Australia his last Test 586 00:33:18,373 --> 00:33:25,013 Speaker 2: match on Sabina Park and Keith Stackpole just put him 587 00:33:25,013 --> 00:33:28,853 Speaker 2: all around the park. He kept bowling at Stackpole's hook 588 00:33:28,893 --> 00:33:34,853 Speaker 2: and Stackpole took him to lunch basically, and after lunch 589 00:33:35,093 --> 00:33:36,653 Speaker 2: they were walking around the ground. You know what they 590 00:33:36,693 --> 00:33:38,533 Speaker 2: were like in the West and they always very smart 591 00:33:38,613 --> 00:33:41,413 Speaker 2: with their quick comments and people would yell out and 592 00:33:41,493 --> 00:33:45,373 Speaker 2: the sun bloke had a sign that was painted up. 593 00:33:45,893 --> 00:33:52,613 Speaker 2: It said eleventh commandment, dow shalt not bowl and that 594 00:33:52,853 --> 00:33:56,053 Speaker 2: was typical of the humor of the people of the 595 00:33:56,253 --> 00:33:59,933 Speaker 2: Caribbean and it was the end of Dow as a 596 00:34:00,213 --> 00:34:05,333 Speaker 2: pace bowler. The other interesting story of the week was 597 00:34:05,773 --> 00:34:09,573 Speaker 2: news that came out that Jimmy and is set to 598 00:34:09,773 --> 00:34:12,653 Speaker 2: receive a knighthood. Now it was awarded to him by 599 00:34:12,733 --> 00:34:15,493 Speaker 2: Rishie Sneak, and he hasn't been the Prime Minister of 600 00:34:15,533 --> 00:34:17,733 Speaker 2: the UK for quite some time. There were some hold 601 00:34:17,813 --> 00:34:20,213 Speaker 2: up as to why he hadn't got his knighthood. 602 00:34:20,213 --> 00:34:20,733 Speaker 4: But he's going to. 603 00:34:20,733 --> 00:34:26,853 Speaker 2: Become the fifteenth English player cricketer to get a knighthood. 604 00:34:27,453 --> 00:34:28,933 Speaker 2: Deserving of a knighthood, you. 605 00:34:28,973 --> 00:34:32,933 Speaker 5: Think I'm saying, I believe so. I mean, his record 606 00:34:33,613 --> 00:34:39,893 Speaker 5: stands for itself, doesn't it. Frankly, longevity on all conditions, 607 00:34:42,213 --> 00:34:44,133 Speaker 5: whether it be in India or whether it be in England. 608 00:34:44,253 --> 00:34:47,813 Speaker 5: There was outstanding player, yeah, phenomenal player. Yeah. 609 00:34:47,853 --> 00:34:52,213 Speaker 6: There are some people who would say sportsman knighthood, you know, 610 00:34:52,333 --> 00:34:56,013 Speaker 6: that sort of thing. It's not appropriate. But if you 611 00:34:56,133 --> 00:34:58,613 Speaker 6: are going to and they have clearly in the past. 612 00:34:59,373 --> 00:35:02,773 Speaker 6: I think there's no doubt Jimmy Anderson needs to join 613 00:35:02,893 --> 00:35:07,493 Speaker 6: that revered list of players. An absolute artist. 614 00:35:07,613 --> 00:35:08,413 Speaker 3: I would have saw. 615 00:35:10,173 --> 00:35:15,013 Speaker 6: Over seven hundred Test wickets, one hundred and eighty eight Tests. 616 00:35:16,613 --> 00:35:22,213 Speaker 6: I mean that's extraordinary. You know that must be the 617 00:35:22,333 --> 00:35:28,173 Speaker 6: most for an opening bowler in the Tests. Surely, so 618 00:35:28,533 --> 00:35:33,933 Speaker 6: accurate and so precise swing what I call interrogating last 619 00:35:34,093 --> 00:35:37,573 Speaker 6: second betting, because you know you've got to keep adjusting 620 00:35:37,653 --> 00:35:38,213 Speaker 6: to the swing. 621 00:35:39,333 --> 00:35:41,213 Speaker 3: Are you going to play it or not? And so on. 622 00:35:43,333 --> 00:35:46,533 Speaker 6: He's had different versions, like every player who plays that 623 00:35:46,693 --> 00:35:49,373 Speaker 6: length of time. He started off and here he had 624 00:35:49,453 --> 00:35:52,933 Speaker 6: good pace, and they tried to change his action. I 625 00:35:53,013 --> 00:35:56,893 Speaker 6: remember at the basin wads they at lunch time, he 626 00:35:57,093 --> 00:35:59,973 Speaker 6: wasn't playing, and they used to pull out all the 627 00:36:00,133 --> 00:36:02,973 Speaker 6: road cones. You'd be pleased with that, And they actually 628 00:36:03,053 --> 00:36:05,533 Speaker 6: went onto the base and reserved to try and change 629 00:36:05,613 --> 00:36:08,533 Speaker 6: the line of his run up. And then so he 630 00:36:08,653 --> 00:36:13,333 Speaker 6: returned to his original one and his natural way of bowling. Originally, 631 00:36:13,653 --> 00:36:15,693 Speaker 6: he did blow a bit hot and cold early on. 632 00:36:16,813 --> 00:36:19,253 Speaker 6: I mean went on he was just you know, irresistible 633 00:36:19,293 --> 00:36:21,533 Speaker 6: and went off. He was a bit over the place. 634 00:36:22,213 --> 00:36:27,213 Speaker 6: But then that poned and he added reverse swing. When 635 00:36:27,213 --> 00:36:32,373 Speaker 6: he went to Asia, so when the ball wouldn't swing conventionally, 636 00:36:33,133 --> 00:36:36,173 Speaker 6: so he had another skill there to use. And then 637 00:36:36,533 --> 00:36:39,453 Speaker 6: instead of having to wait for the ball to deteriorate 638 00:36:40,013 --> 00:36:43,133 Speaker 6: to get reverse swing, he learned about the wobble ball 639 00:36:43,213 --> 00:36:46,333 Speaker 6: that oscillates a little bit as it goes down the pitch, 640 00:36:46,933 --> 00:36:49,453 Speaker 6: which a lot of bowlers use nowadays. And so they 641 00:36:49,813 --> 00:36:52,453 Speaker 6: seem the ball seems and they don't know which way 642 00:36:52,533 --> 00:36:54,493 Speaker 6: and orders the bowler orders the batsman. 643 00:36:55,413 --> 00:36:57,573 Speaker 3: But the key to it all is the same as Richard, 644 00:36:58,213 --> 00:36:59,253 Speaker 3: same as Richard. 645 00:36:59,013 --> 00:37:04,413 Speaker 6: Hadley, where the ball pitchers, Sir Richard, where it comes 646 00:37:04,453 --> 00:37:08,093 Speaker 6: from the consistency of where the ball is pitching. It's 647 00:37:08,133 --> 00:37:11,813 Speaker 6: all down to not all down to movement. It's where 648 00:37:11,853 --> 00:37:17,893 Speaker 6: the movement comes from. And very it's interesting too. He's 649 00:37:17,933 --> 00:37:21,133 Speaker 6: a bit of a contradiction really off the field, quite 650 00:37:21,173 --> 00:37:26,453 Speaker 6: a shy I know, I know Jimmy quite well and 651 00:37:26,573 --> 00:37:30,453 Speaker 6: have done little things with him, and he's a man 652 00:37:30,533 --> 00:37:35,693 Speaker 6: of few words, but on the field very verbally aggressive 653 00:37:36,573 --> 00:37:39,533 Speaker 6: and the hence you get that response from you know 654 00:37:39,773 --> 00:37:41,813 Speaker 6: in Australia where they said they were going to break 655 00:37:41,893 --> 00:37:45,213 Speaker 6: his arm, you remember that, and they told him straight 656 00:37:45,293 --> 00:37:46,773 Speaker 6: to his face while he was batting. 657 00:37:47,173 --> 00:37:51,373 Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, I remember, but certainly deserving. 658 00:37:52,413 --> 00:37:54,893 Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember working with him in the last World Cup. 659 00:37:54,933 --> 00:37:56,173 Speaker 4: You were there too, Jerry. 660 00:37:56,533 --> 00:37:58,773 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was wonderful in the in the country box, 661 00:37:59,213 --> 00:38:01,013 Speaker 2: you know, being able to spend some time with him. 662 00:38:01,133 --> 00:38:03,373 Speaker 2: You talk about that trip to New Zealand. They weren't 663 00:38:03,373 --> 00:38:05,893 Speaker 2: going to play him in that series where he went 664 00:38:05,973 --> 00:38:09,613 Speaker 2: to play for Auckland. Didn't he to try and try cricket, 665 00:38:10,133 --> 00:38:13,333 Speaker 2: and you know everybody was sort of saying, well, you know, 666 00:38:13,453 --> 00:38:15,533 Speaker 2: Jimmy Anderson, you know he's not worth his place. 667 00:38:15,613 --> 00:38:17,453 Speaker 4: Well, different story now. 668 00:38:18,413 --> 00:38:20,973 Speaker 6: Yeah, Well that's when he came back. He came back 669 00:38:21,013 --> 00:38:24,013 Speaker 6: at the base and wads with my broad and that's 670 00:38:24,053 --> 00:38:25,853 Speaker 6: when that partnership began, wasn't it. 671 00:38:26,933 --> 00:38:31,333 Speaker 4: Yep? One New Zealander and one Australian, Sir Generald Bradman 672 00:38:31,693 --> 00:38:34,373 Speaker 4: and Sir Richard Hadley. Are there any other New Zealanders 673 00:38:34,413 --> 00:38:37,853 Speaker 4: that deserve knighthoods in New Zealand? I don't know about Australia. 674 00:38:37,933 --> 00:38:40,853 Speaker 2: I really haven't looked at that, but could any New 675 00:38:40,933 --> 00:38:43,173 Speaker 2: Zealander that there have been quite a few who are 676 00:38:43,213 --> 00:38:44,053 Speaker 2: probably deserving. 677 00:38:44,933 --> 00:38:47,533 Speaker 5: It's an interesting question because if you look at Jimmy Anderson. 678 00:38:47,573 --> 00:38:50,493 Speaker 5: Where does one draw the line because he's opening bowler 679 00:38:50,613 --> 00:38:54,253 Speaker 5: partner Broad was pretty useful too, with an outstanding record. 680 00:38:55,893 --> 00:38:58,973 Speaker 5: It's I know it's arbitrary, but in terms of New 681 00:38:59,053 --> 00:39:05,213 Speaker 5: Zealand that becomes really hard. Yeah. I mean Richard Hadley 682 00:39:05,413 --> 00:39:10,013 Speaker 5: just just as the standout, just just be the other 683 00:39:10,053 --> 00:39:15,533 Speaker 5: great standout apart from you, Jerry, of course, was Martin 684 00:39:15,613 --> 00:39:22,773 Speaker 5: Crowe you know to me? To me, yes, a phenomenal player. Absolutely, 685 00:39:22,813 --> 00:39:26,813 Speaker 5: and then scroll forward going backwards, No, I don't think so, 686 00:39:27,253 --> 00:39:32,573 Speaker 5: would you say Bert? Yeah? Possibly read Yeah. 687 00:39:32,453 --> 00:39:34,413 Speaker 6: That's the other name that came to me. Those two 688 00:39:34,533 --> 00:39:39,373 Speaker 6: names from about the fifth well, the forties through to the. 689 00:39:39,413 --> 00:39:45,773 Speaker 3: Sixties held New Zealand together. Yeah. Goshtare a lot from 690 00:39:45,813 --> 00:39:47,533 Speaker 3: the West Indies though, aren't they guys? 691 00:39:48,413 --> 00:39:48,613 Speaker 5: Yeah? 692 00:39:49,093 --> 00:39:52,893 Speaker 3: You know if you go are there? Gosh, you know 693 00:39:53,013 --> 00:39:53,293 Speaker 3: them all? 694 00:39:53,533 --> 00:39:54,333 Speaker 6: What do you I mean? 695 00:39:54,413 --> 00:40:00,373 Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, well that's right. Have you did you 696 00:40:00,453 --> 00:40:01,453 Speaker 3: meet Clyde Walcott? 697 00:40:02,773 --> 00:40:02,973 Speaker 4: Yes? 698 00:40:03,053 --> 00:40:04,333 Speaker 3: Did you meet Frank Warrel? 699 00:40:05,653 --> 00:40:09,453 Speaker 4: No, I missed him, he was unavailable. 700 00:40:09,973 --> 00:40:12,453 Speaker 3: But I mean Larry Constantine. 701 00:40:14,253 --> 00:40:15,013 Speaker 4: I missed him too. 702 00:40:15,573 --> 00:40:18,093 Speaker 2: I wasn't born then, but I mean in recent times 703 00:40:18,133 --> 00:40:24,893 Speaker 2: they've gone through viv richards Richie Richardson to Kurtley Ambrose, 704 00:40:25,013 --> 00:40:27,253 Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. Courtney Walsh didn't get one to do, 705 00:40:27,413 --> 00:40:31,213 Speaker 2: which was interesting. But they've they've gone around the islands 706 00:40:31,213 --> 00:40:33,013 Speaker 2: and I see, you know, I mean that's a recognition, 707 00:40:33,093 --> 00:40:37,613 Speaker 2: I suppose of their contribution to Caribbean cricket. But yeah, 708 00:40:37,933 --> 00:40:40,253 Speaker 2: it's it's just interesting. I mean the point you made, 709 00:40:40,853 --> 00:40:46,813 Speaker 2: you know that between sport and you know, knighthoods and 710 00:40:47,133 --> 00:40:49,733 Speaker 2: those sorts of things that particularly in a team game 711 00:40:50,293 --> 00:40:54,253 Speaker 2: where a lot of individuals have been helped by you know, 712 00:40:54,773 --> 00:40:59,213 Speaker 2: good second slippers. I mean, how many catchers were taken 713 00:40:59,293 --> 00:41:03,013 Speaker 2: off Richard Hadley's bonding Ian Smith? Would he have taken 714 00:41:03,053 --> 00:41:03,333 Speaker 2: a few? 715 00:41:03,373 --> 00:41:06,973 Speaker 3: Would he be worth and he certainly would, He certainly would. 716 00:41:07,293 --> 00:41:11,893 Speaker 6: Yeah, I know it, But I mean that's ah, look, 717 00:41:11,973 --> 00:41:15,253 Speaker 6: it's okay, It's okay. I don't I don't think it's 718 00:41:16,693 --> 00:41:19,493 Speaker 6: is it overly important? I suppose it's really it's it's 719 00:41:19,573 --> 00:41:23,653 Speaker 6: it's recognition, isn't it recognition of the length of time 720 00:41:23,853 --> 00:41:27,373 Speaker 6: and the and the skill that they used while they 721 00:41:27,453 --> 00:41:27,813 Speaker 6: were there. 722 00:41:29,213 --> 00:41:33,493 Speaker 2: Yep, contribution to the game was significant and they were 723 00:41:33,533 --> 00:41:37,413 Speaker 2: acknowledged for it. Coming to an end of another edition 724 00:41:37,613 --> 00:41:39,813 Speaker 2: on the front foot. I just wonder, guys, have I 725 00:41:40,053 --> 00:41:43,853 Speaker 2: missed something a news release from the ICC, perhaps, But 726 00:41:44,533 --> 00:41:46,693 Speaker 2: I was watching and it's great to be able to 727 00:41:46,813 --> 00:41:49,053 Speaker 2: watch county cricket in the middle of the night when 728 00:41:49,093 --> 00:41:51,893 Speaker 2: you can't sleep. I draw the line at the fact 729 00:41:51,893 --> 00:41:53,693 Speaker 2: that I watched for three hours the other night. I 730 00:41:53,773 --> 00:41:55,733 Speaker 2: don't know why I couldn't get back to sleep, but 731 00:41:55,853 --> 00:41:59,373 Speaker 2: I was watching Worcestershire play Essex because I was interested 732 00:41:59,413 --> 00:42:01,773 Speaker 2: to see Jacob Duffy, who'd been padded all around the 733 00:42:01,813 --> 00:42:05,053 Speaker 2: park in the first game and he seemed to find 734 00:42:05,173 --> 00:42:07,813 Speaker 2: the rhythm in the second game. But there were a 735 00:42:07,973 --> 00:42:10,973 Speaker 2: couple of guys batting, a fellow by the name of Pepper. 736 00:42:11,573 --> 00:42:13,293 Speaker 2: He might have been looking for salt, but he was 737 00:42:13,373 --> 00:42:16,613 Speaker 2: out in the I p l and Harmer were batting 738 00:42:16,733 --> 00:42:20,173 Speaker 2: for Essex, and a fellow in pads were standing at 739 00:42:20,213 --> 00:42:25,333 Speaker 2: the non strikers in a runner. Have you seen a 740 00:42:25,493 --> 00:42:28,253 Speaker 2: change again to the rules that allows for runners? 741 00:42:28,813 --> 00:42:35,893 Speaker 4: Or is it peculiarly? Peculiarly England most do you know? 742 00:42:37,853 --> 00:42:38,773 Speaker 5: You've got me start? 743 00:42:39,573 --> 00:42:41,013 Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. 744 00:42:42,253 --> 00:42:46,453 Speaker 6: I don't think there's been changes to the international game. 745 00:42:47,533 --> 00:42:50,373 Speaker 6: I haven't seen anything from the ICC to say this 746 00:42:50,573 --> 00:42:55,173 Speaker 6: is what we're doing, usually suggested by that sort of committee. 747 00:42:57,773 --> 00:43:00,373 Speaker 6: But whether it is in the in the first class game, 748 00:43:00,453 --> 00:43:04,373 Speaker 6: the county level, which you're describing about over and over 749 00:43:04,413 --> 00:43:07,253 Speaker 6: in England, England. Yes, I think I said to you 750 00:43:07,373 --> 00:43:09,413 Speaker 6: before they would be leave of course that they're the 751 00:43:09,493 --> 00:43:12,373 Speaker 6: only ones who tell the truth, so that the Batsman 752 00:43:12,493 --> 00:43:17,773 Speaker 6: would say, no, I definitely can't run. I definitely can't run. 753 00:43:17,853 --> 00:43:22,013 Speaker 6: That's really bad, and so I'll need a runner. Thank 754 00:43:22,053 --> 00:43:26,613 Speaker 6: you very much, mister, mister Pepper. We'll give you a runner. 755 00:43:26,813 --> 00:43:32,293 Speaker 3: That's okay. I don't know, yeah, exactly, Yeah, no, I 756 00:43:32,333 --> 00:43:33,013 Speaker 3: don't know about that. 757 00:43:33,133 --> 00:43:33,373 Speaker 5: Words. 758 00:43:33,933 --> 00:43:36,293 Speaker 2: We'll be able to talk cricket because there's plenty of 759 00:43:36,373 --> 00:43:39,453 Speaker 2: it coming up, and hopefully we'll be able to watch 760 00:43:39,533 --> 00:43:41,853 Speaker 2: some of it from the other side of the world. 761 00:43:41,853 --> 00:43:43,933 Speaker 2: I think England are due to plays in Barbwe who 762 00:43:43,973 --> 00:43:49,693 Speaker 2: are currently playing in a Test match series against Bangladesh. 763 00:43:50,053 --> 00:43:54,893 Speaker 2: Against Bangladesh, Yeah, Bangladesh, that's the one, and New Zealand 764 00:43:54,933 --> 00:43:57,693 Speaker 2: will be sending an eighteam over to Bangladesh to pick 765 00:43:57,813 --> 00:44:01,173 Speaker 2: up the slack from that. Otherwise, see you guys, I'm 766 00:44:01,173 --> 00:44:03,533 Speaker 2: sure can spend most of your time either watching county 767 00:44:03,613 --> 00:44:06,453 Speaker 2: cricket in England or the IPL, which I'm sure both 768 00:44:06,493 --> 00:44:06,813 Speaker 2: of you do. 769 00:44:07,013 --> 00:44:11,333 Speaker 6: Avidly, no, not no have It wouldn't be the word 770 00:44:11,373 --> 00:44:15,053 Speaker 6: I'd use, but I don't watch it at all, not 771 00:44:15,213 --> 00:44:15,493 Speaker 6: at all. 772 00:44:15,773 --> 00:44:17,653 Speaker 4: Good good. That makes three of us. We'll have to 773 00:44:17,693 --> 00:44:20,173 Speaker 4: watch the county game. Thanks goodbuyes talk it. 774 00:44:20,373 --> 00:44:27,453 Speaker 3: To me boys, oh hey, take it all the forties 775 00:44:27,893 --> 00:44:28,613 Speaker 3: of summer. 776 00:44:35,413 --> 00:44:37,973 Speaker 1: For more from News Talk st B, listen live on 777 00:44:38,133 --> 00:44:41,053 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 778 00:44:41,173 --> 00:44:43,693 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio