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Speaker 1: the full picture. Heather Duplessy Drive with One New Zealand

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Speaker 1: let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming

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Speaker 2: up today, Al Gillespie is going to talk us through

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Speaker 2: the chances of Israel via Ran becoming World War three

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Speaker 2: very low. He says, We're going to speak to a

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Speaker 2: former US transport accident investigator about that Air India plane

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Speaker 2: crash and what caused it. Plus the Blues Boss Andrew

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Speaker 2: hoare on the big game this weekend. Heather Dupicyl, will

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Speaker 2: we tell you about my colleague Kylie's reaction to that

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Speaker 2: she was playing on her phone as you do. The

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Speaker 2: news came in at about nine o'clock. Immediately she suspected it,

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Speaker 2: looked up what kind of plane it was, exactly as

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Speaker 2: her twelve year old daughter is on to Somemore the Sunday,

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Speaker 2: exactly as she expected a Boeing, and she freaked out. Now,

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Speaker 2: she's not alone in reacting like this. And just assuming

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Speaker 2: know that this is a Boeing problem. Yes, it was

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Speaker 2: But trouble for Boeing is it does not have the

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Speaker 2: Never Mind that Boeing shares fell immediately they have stayed down. Now,

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Speaker 2: wants to destroy half a million unwonted books from its collection.

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Speaker 3: With us now, how Mark, hello, Heather, how are you

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Speaker 2: Thank you? What kind of books are we talking about?

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Speaker 3: The books are predominantly nonfiction. Over ninety percent of them

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Speaker 2: What kind of books are we talking about.

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Speaker 3: So the nonfiction predominantly that covers the whole range of

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Speaker 2: autograph copy. Now, if you're in the solar power I've

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Speaker 2: actually get sola if you wanted. So if you promise

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Speaker 2: actually weekend sport hosters with me right now a pony, Hello, Heather, Now,

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Speaker 2: how do you feel about the lucky loser at the

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Speaker 5: Whether it won't be one at the end of this week,

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Speaker 5: which I think is good. Right, We've got two semi

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Speaker 2: The losers can Crusaders.

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Speaker 2: Well we're having a yarn on Monday, aren't we. Well

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Speaker 2: We'll do that. We'll do that. Because I feel like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good for him, Piney, thank you. Enjoy your rugby

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Speaker 5: By the way, I've got no skin in this game whatsoever,

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Speaker 2: It's so in keeping with your personality. You are that guy.

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Speaker 2: What a good dude. Now, Listen. I was asking him

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Speaker 1: The big stories of the day forward, it's Heather Duplic

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Speaker 4: That'd be Heather.

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Speaker 2: Quite simply, they retracted the flaps instead of lifting the

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Speaker 2: Those good old days of TV ads? You remember it?

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Speaker 2: But you know Columbine was made in New Zealand. I

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Speaker 1: It's Heather duplessy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 2: We're going to elderly speed after five o'clock on what

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Speaker 1: World wires on news talks, they'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: Israel has attacked Iran. Explosions have been reported in the

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Speaker 10: We struck at the heart of Iran's nuclear weaponization program.

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Speaker 10: We targeted Iran's main enrichment facility in Natans. We targeted

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Speaker 2: the Republicans should reconsider cutting the funding of PBS, which

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Speaker 4: How can this be that your priority right now is

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Speaker 4: Republicans do nothing on the economy, nothing to make life

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Speaker 2: The hard cost of living.

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Speaker 9: Instead, Republicans are attacking El Mole and Sesame Street.

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Kearsley, Channel nine US correspondents with US Now. Hey Jonathan,

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Speaker 2: Hello Heather, to you and all of the listeners. Jonathan,

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Speaker 2: what's been the US's reaction to what Israel's just got

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Speaker 13: Well, essentially, what we've seen is Donald Trump convene a

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Speaker 13: Just a matter of hours ago, the US President had

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Speaker 13: I cannot see a position where the United States Iran

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Speaker 2: Has Israel managed to take out the things they wanted

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Speaker 13: There's some initial reporting coming out of some of the

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Speaker 13: Nuclear scientists were also among thost targeted. As well, you're

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Speaker 13: during the night. They will target key assets that Israel

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Speaker 13: is looking to try and destroy. Iran has been significantly weakened,

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Speaker 13: and I think what you see at the moment too,

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Speaker 13: is Israel perhaps sees a window of opportunity to do

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Speaker 13: what it's been essentially wanting to do for the best

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Speaker 13: part of well years. Really, it's been wanting to try

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Speaker 13: and carry out these attacks. It's been wanting to squash

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Speaker 13: the threat from Iran, and now it sees itself as

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Speaker 13: having a chance to do that. So Bena Minettio has

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Speaker 13: certainly been strong in his language. He's saying that this

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Speaker 13: is in cohorts with the United States, that he was

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Speaker 13: very much publicly thanking President Trump for all of his actions,

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Speaker 13: still seemingly trying to reach out and garner his support

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Speaker 13: almost at this time. But I think the next as

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Speaker 13: I said, the next twenty four to forty eight hours

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Speaker 13: and this are going to be incredibly crucial. Iran Supreme

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Speaker 13: leader doesn't mince his words, also doesn't necessarily always follow

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Speaker 13: through with the actions, but this time around, you get

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Speaker 13: a sense that Iran is serious. So how is it

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Speaker 13: going to retaliate? What's the retaliation going to be, and

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Speaker 13: when's it going to come?

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Speaker 14: They're going to be the key question.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Now, listen, what happens now that the federal judge

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Speaker 2: has basically ruled in California's favor with these National Guard issues.

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Speaker 13: Well, they had, and then in came the appeals court

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Speaker 13: about half an hour ago and has essentially put a

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Speaker 13: stay in place for what looks like to be four days.

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Speaker 13: So the National Guard remains in place, and remains in

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Speaker 13: place over the course of the weekend. So that appeal

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Speaker 13: had been launched by the federal government almost immediately, as

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Speaker 13: you mentioned, that federal court ruling had said that yes,

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Speaker 13: Donald Trump had put them there illegally, he had overtaken

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Speaker 13: them illegally, and that they essentially needed to be removed.

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Speaker 13: But then in came the appeals court and said, well,

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Speaker 13: hang on a minute, no, let's put a stay on this.

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Speaker 13: We want to assess this, we want to have a

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Speaker 13: look at this. And this often happens with Donald Trump's cases.

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Speaker 13: He will lose one of they federal court level, go

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Speaker 13: to an appeals court, the appeals court will say, well,

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Speaker 13: hang on a minute, let's just stay this and see

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Speaker 13: what happens. So you're going to see the National Guard

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Speaker 13: stay and that's going to be crucial because in forty

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Speaker 13: eight hours from now, there are going to be massive

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Speaker 13: nationwide protests planned on exactly the same day that Donald

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Speaker 13: Trump holds his military parade.

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Speaker 2: Jeez, hey, Jonathan, thanks so much for talking us through.

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Speaker 2: To appreciate it. Jonathan Keresley, Channel nine US correspondent Dan

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Speaker 2: is not with us today because Dan is helping his

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Speaker 2: daughter move his daughter as an adult. But how old's

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Speaker 2: his daughter is?

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Speaker 12: About?

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Speaker 2: Nineteen, isn't she It's like in nineteen or twenty Your

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Speaker 2: college move? Is it your job as a parent? Never

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Speaker 2: ends a even she can absolutely move by her self.

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Speaker 2: For parents, just fusst. We just want to be in

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Speaker 2: there in their faces, helping them out the whole time.

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Speaker 2: So that's what Dan's doing, so bless them for that.

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Speaker 4: Hither.

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Speaker 2: I used to spend a shike load on the Pantyhoso

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Speaker 2: has bought the silk ones? Oh, sue your flash. Hither

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Speaker 2: the wives pantyhose were great for storing and hanging onions

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Speaker 2: in the shed. Hey, now you're gonna have to find

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Speaker 2: something else. Hither, How am I going to strain the

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Speaker 2: lumps out of my paint without the panty hose? The pantyhose,

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Speaker 2: it turned out we're not just great for wearing, but

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Speaker 2: had multiple multiple uses. Once once one of the children

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Speaker 2: had punctured a hole in it, Heather, I used to

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Speaker 2: go to bed with curlers and a pair of pantyhose

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Speaker 2: on my bed to keep the curlers in, just to

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Speaker 2: tie them in a big bow and then curl up

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Speaker 2: my side bits and stick them down with salad yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: stick them down with salo tape. And in the morning

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Speaker 2: I spent ages rubbing the marks off from the salo

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Speaker 2: tape and then teasing and spraying, and by the time

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Speaker 2: I bite to college, I look like Phillistilla in the

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Speaker 2: nineteen seventies. A good from you. The old pantyhose. This

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Speaker 2: is a thing, you know, Chill. My children's age three

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Speaker 2: and under, four and under. We're gonna have to explain

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Speaker 2: to them what the stuff is. They're going to be like,

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Speaker 2: what the actual hell is a pantyhose? And a VHS

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Speaker 2: sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with Centrics credit, check your customers and get payments Certady.

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Speaker 2: Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors with us.

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Speaker 14: Hey Thomas, good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 2: All right, so is it a bit late in the

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Speaker 2: piece for Luxe and to be making his first trip

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Speaker 2: to China.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's roughly the same time that most of our

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Speaker 14: leaders have gone. Just under Return tried for a long

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Speaker 14: time to get one chees. She'd delayed it at the

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Speaker 14: end of twenty eighteen, I believe. So it's roughly roughly

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Speaker 14: in the in the middle of the packing terms of

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Speaker 14: when you make your first visit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Winston going.

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Speaker 14: Winston, to my knowledge, is not going.

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Speaker 2: Now, I am quickly. Questions have been raised about whether

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Speaker 2: Winston should go or not. I don't see this as

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Speaker 2: a problem to you.

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Speaker 14: No, the last couple of prime ministerial visit visits to China,

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Speaker 14: certainly the last one I was on with Chris Hepkins.

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Speaker 14: The Foreign Minister didn't go and I didn't didn't like

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Speaker 14: traveling that much, and I well, I'm scratching my memory

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Speaker 14: about the just thinda returned ones. But it's not it's

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Speaker 14: not always. I mean, some countries they tend to you

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Speaker 14: tend to have a head of government traveling with their

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Speaker 14: foreign minister. New Zealand we don't really do that that much.

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Speaker 14: The leader usually, you know, is usually quite capable of

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Speaker 14: handling things on their own right.

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Speaker 2: And then it's off to Europe after that. Any chance

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Speaker 2: of meeting Donald Trump, Yes.

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Speaker 14: I said there's a good chance of meeting Donald Trump.

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Speaker 14: Christopher Laxon's going to the NATO, the NATO Leader's Summit,

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Speaker 14: and the Hague and the Netherlands. Donald Trump has confirmed

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Speaker 14: his attendance. Quite as you know that these natives. Something's

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Speaker 14: quite good for New Zealand because they're quite small. You

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Speaker 14: get about thirty odd thirty odd leaders in the room together,

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Speaker 14: so you've got actually got quite a good opportunity of

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Speaker 14: meeting someone I'd say a full scale bile at with

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Speaker 14: with Donald Trump, like a one on one meeting, as

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Speaker 14: the chances of that are pretty pretty small. But there's

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Speaker 14: a there's always a dinner, there's a big sort of

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Speaker 14: group group meeting where all the leaders get together.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 14: And in that Christopher Luckson will I'm sure attempt what

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Speaker 14: is called in the business of pull aside, so that is,

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Speaker 14: you know, being your your best bols yourself, uh and

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Speaker 14: just just going up to the guy and and and

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Speaker 14: and trying to diplomatically give him a piece of your mind.

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Speaker 14: So so I imagine at that dinner and at that

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Speaker 14: big event, at the big the full meeting with all

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Speaker 14: the leaders together, Christoph Luckson is going to try and

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Speaker 14: make sure he gets some FaceTime with Donald Trump just

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Speaker 14: what he has to say. Obviously, we're keen to ensure

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Speaker 14: that we're the free trading system survives. Donald Trump is

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Speaker 14: less keen on net And obviously we've we've got this

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Speaker 14: unfolding situation in the Middle East, which is not great

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Speaker 14: for anyone. And then obviously Christopher Lacksan finding himself in

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Speaker 14: the middle of the US China at tension as well.

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Speaker 14: So he's got many things to talk to Donald Trump about.

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Speaker 14: Just which one is at the top of his list.

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Speaker 14: There's only something only he knows at the moment, full board.

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Speaker 2: What did he say? This is Luxan? What did he

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Speaker 2: say about Iran?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, he said that obviously this is pretty distressing at

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Speaker 14: the moment, is Rael launching a premium to strike on Iran.

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Speaker 14: He said this would be potentially catastrophic for the Middle East,

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Speaker 14: and he urged all sides to to to escalate. He

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Speaker 14: also warned of the risk of miscalculation, which is which

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Speaker 14: is probably right, Uh, you know, and and and these

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Speaker 14: fast moving situations, the chart that someone does something stupid

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Speaker 14: and miscalculates is very high. So he is urging urging Khan.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Thomas. Well, we'll chat you a

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Speaker 2: little bit later on rap the political week. That was

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Speaker 2: about quarter past six. It's Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political

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Speaker 2: Editor's turn away from five.

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Speaker 1: In the tough questions the news speakers, the Mike Husking breakfair.

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Speaker 15: Interesting stats on our public service workforces down three point

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Speaker 15: one percent. What's that meaning?

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Speaker 16: Jobs?

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Speaker 15: Well, two thousand are gone, but quarterly we now have

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Speaker 15: a zero point four percent increase. Cameron bagrif independent economists with.

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Speaker 17: Us that old sort of adage about this lies as

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Speaker 17: damn lies and statistics now survive are locker goverment person

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Speaker 17: and our expenses are up three point one percent. That

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Speaker 17: doesn't personify too much of a tightening in regard to

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Speaker 17: what's going on, So there might be a little bit

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Speaker 17: of hodgepodgings. There's a lot of writers for about the

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Speaker 17: government tightening the belt, but all the savings are backloaded

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Speaker 17: to the structural gift, so it's still deteriorating over the

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Speaker 17: coming twelve months. It's going to get wet back.

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Speaker 15: Monday from six am, the Mike Husking Breakfast with Maybe's

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Speaker 15: Real Estate Newstalk.

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Speaker 2: ZB Now listen to this at seven away from five

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Speaker 2: listen to this. Okay, this video going around at the

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Speaker 2: moment on social media. It's actually going viral, which is

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Speaker 2: the important part of this is going viral of a

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Speaker 2: Democratic senator being removed and handcuffed. What happened was the

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Speaker 2: Homeland Security Secretary was giving a press conference. In this chap,

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Speaker 2: try to bust in, bust in and ask a question.

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Speaker 4: Sir, sir, hands up, I'm senator Alex Padi, I have

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Speaker 4: questions for the secretary.

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Speaker 2: So so obviously what happens then is he's not supposed

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Speaker 2: to be there. The people who are in charge of

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Speaker 2: security take him outside in the corridor, handcuff.

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Speaker 18: Him on your back, behind my back, all right, one

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Speaker 18: hand lake flat lake clatt other hands, turning other.

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Speaker 2: Hand, and then afterwards it gives a press conference, and

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Speaker 2: that Alex Padilla just milks it.

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Speaker 4: If this is how this administration responds to a senator

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Speaker 4: with a question, If this is how the Apartment of

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Speaker 4: Homeland Security responds to a senator with a question, you

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Speaker 4: can only imagine what they're doing to farmers to cut

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Speaker 4: two day laborers out in the Los Angeles community and

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Speaker 4: throughout the country.

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Speaker 2: Now, before you feel sorry for the guy, I know

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Speaker 2: that it was a stunt, right because nobody busts in

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Speaker 2: on somebody's live press conference unless they're trying to make

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Speaker 2: a name for themselves, and nobody may I mean, the

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Speaker 2: whole thing is just as it's been pointed out to

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Speaker 2: me that the thing is designed to play to a crowd, right,

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Speaker 2: So he is totally by getting himself arrested and handcuffed. Perfect,

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Speaker 2: It's exactly what he wanted, so he will not be

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Speaker 2: feeling sorry for himself at all.

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Speaker 1: Ever, do for the alm.

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Speaker 2: Have you heard of the pizza Index, Get yourself across

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Speaker 2: this thing. The pizza Index has been across the internet

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Speaker 2: all day to day because the pizza Index predicted the

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Speaker 2: Israeli Iran conflict that we're now in the middle of. Basically,

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Speaker 2: what it is is what it means is that when

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Speaker 2: pizza places around the Pentagon start getting unusually busy, it

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Speaker 2: means that something is going down because it's an indication

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Speaker 2: that the defense workers inside the Pentagon are too busy

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Speaker 2: to leave their desks, so they ordered the pizzas in

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Speaker 2: to come to them, And the Pizza Index showed that

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Speaker 2: it got really busy at a couple of pizza places

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Speaker 2: about twenty four hours before this business went down with

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Speaker 2: Israel and Iran. So at seven o'clock Wednesday night, their

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Speaker 2: time Extreme Peach Pizza, which is the pizza place closest

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Speaker 2: to the Pentagon, I'm reliably told, was about twice as

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Speaker 2: busy as it normally would be on a Wednesday at

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Speaker 2: seven o'clock at night. District Pizza Palace, which is a

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Speaker 2: little bit further away, was a lot busy. It was

656
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Speaker 2: about three times busier than it normally would be at

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Speaker 2: seven o'clock on a Wednesday night. The same thing happened

658
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Speaker 2: apparently during at the start of the First Gulf War,

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Speaker 2: the same thing happened during Clinton's impeachment proceedings, and the

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Speaker 2: same thing happened during the cost of a conflict, and

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Speaker 2: of course on Wednesday night. Now, I mean, we're obviously

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Speaker 2: not going to make a habit of having a look

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Speaker 2: at extreme Pizza and District Pizza Palace ourselves, but hopefully

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Speaker 2: the CNN guys and the MSNBC guys and the Fox

665
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Speaker 2: guys are onto it and they can keep an eye

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Speaker 2: on it for us. Here the most likely, it's most

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Speaker 2: unlikely the pilots would have taken off without their flaps

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Speaker 2: being set, because there is a takeoff configuration warning system.

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Speaker 2: This is from a retired pilot who flew only Boeing's David,

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Absolutely, this is one of the

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Speaker 2: things that's confound people because it does look like what

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Speaker 2: happened with the Air India plane is that the flaps

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Speaker 2: weren't extended. I mean, basically, people who have looked at

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Speaker 2: the video so you can see very clearly the flaps

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Speaker 2: aren't extended, and it's very important that they are, especially

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Speaker 2: if you're flying in a place like that particular part

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Speaker 2: of India where the air is quite thin and it's

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Speaker 2: really hot and stuff like that. But as David points

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Speaker 2: out on the text, what's weird about it is if

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Speaker 2: the flaps aren't extended when they're supposed to be, it

681
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Speaker 2: should normally send a little warning to the pilots. The

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Speaker 2: plane should be sending a pilot a warning to them saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: this is a problem. So it should have been picked up.

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Speaker 2: But what makes us even more curious is that it's

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Speaker 2: now emerged that there is another seven eight seven, which

686
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Speaker 2: is this particular plane that is identical to this one

687
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Speaker 2: that made four emergency landings in less than a month

688
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Speaker 2: earlier this year, was an American Airlines plane, and some

689
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Speaker 2: of those emergency landings were also because it had issues

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Speaker 2: with the wing flaps. So we'll speak to that retired

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Speaker 2: or former US air accident investigators shortly and just find

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Speaker 2: out what the hell she things happened here newstalks be.

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Speaker 19: Quote who get quote, oh, I get decen with my.

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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spence to find the real story gory.

695
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Speaker 1: It's either dupis the on drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 1: let's get connected news talks. That'd be.

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Speaker 11: Afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Iran is warning that Israel and the US will pay

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Speaker 2: a heavy price for today's attacks on Tehran. The attacks

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Speaker 2: hit several sites in Iran link to the country's nuclear program.

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Speaker 2: And now Al Gillespie is a White Cuttle University law

702
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Speaker 2: professor with US. Now, hey, el, hey, could this lead

703
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Speaker 2: to World War three? Or is that an overreaction?

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Speaker 20: That's an overreaction. I think you're safe to plan for

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Speaker 20: your weekend. I think it could get bad, but I

706
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Speaker 20: don't think it's going to be a cataclysmic conflict.

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Speaker 9: How bad, Well, we don't know how Iran will respond,

708
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Speaker 9: but we know that they've got proxies in Yemen, in

709
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Speaker 9: Syria and in Lebanon, but most of these have already

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Speaker 9: been muted by Israel in advance.

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Speaker 20: The good news, if there is news, is that Iran

712
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Speaker 20: has no formal allies, like Russia is not going to

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Speaker 20: come to aid in nethers China.

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Speaker 2: And so basically that's what stops it spilling into something

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Speaker 2: much bigger.

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Speaker 20: That's right, And also Israel has a huge superiority militarily

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Speaker 20: over Iran, and so it's unlikely that they're going to

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Speaker 20: be able to respond in kind. You can think about

719
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Speaker 20: the previous missile attack that Iran did on Israel following

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Speaker 20: the assassination, and most of it was deflected quite easily.

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Speaker 2: So what do you think Iran is likely to do

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Speaker 2: in retaliation.

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Speaker 20: I think they will bide their time. I think they

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Speaker 20: will hope that Israel would put boots on the grounds

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Speaker 20: in one of the countries that they have an influence in,

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Speaker 20: and that's where they've got more of a chance of

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Speaker 20: inflicting some pain on them. I can't see a strategic

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Speaker 20: response in terms of a large missile. They're not yet

729
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Speaker 20: nuclear capable. They're probably close, but this will push them

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Speaker 20: back for many years.

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Speaker 2: Why is Israel doing this right now? Ol It feels

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Speaker 2: a little bit like they're using their existing war to

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Speaker 2: as cover I suppose to be able to do all

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Speaker 2: the things they want to do.

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Speaker 20: I think there's probably truth in that. I think it's

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Speaker 20: proving its a very good distraction because there's a lot

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Speaker 20: of legitimate criticism of some Israeli actions right now. But

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Speaker 20: on the other hand, it's possible that they're aware that

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Speaker 20: Iran is closer to making a bomb than they have

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Speaker 20: been for quite some time. I mean, they're up to

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Speaker 20: sixty percent purity in highly enriched uranium and they've probably

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Speaker 20: got enough material for about nine bombs. They're not at

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Speaker 20: the point where they're likely to have one yet, but

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Speaker 20: they're getting close. But they've been close for decades, but

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Speaker 20: now they may have just crossed the line. And Israel

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Speaker 20: will never tolerate in nuclear on Iran.

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Speaker 2: And do you think what Israel has done today and

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Speaker 2: will do over the next few days will set them

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Speaker 2: back sufficiently?

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Speaker 20: I think it will be an ongoing process because it's

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Speaker 20: not just targeting the facilities, it's also targeting people. And

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Speaker 20: aside from the questions of the legality of that, it's

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Speaker 20: the practicality of continually trying to keep your boot on

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Speaker 20: another country, trying to keep them suppressed in terms of

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Speaker 20: their science and their development, and it will be a

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Speaker 20: very hard task. And alls this will do is not

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Speaker 20: only create more hatred for Miran for Israel, it will

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Speaker 20: make other countries in the region, like Saudia Arabia think well,

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Speaker 20: maybe now we should be pursuing the nuclear option as well.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, Hey, l I really appreciate your time as always.

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Speaker 2: Al Gillespie, Waikatol University law.

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Speaker 11: Professor Togeather Duplessy.

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Speaker 2: Lots of questions after that crash of the Boeing seven

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Speaker 2: eight seven jet in India. The Air India flight to

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Speaker 2: London crashed into a hostel for doctors shortly after take off.

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Speaker 2: It's now the largest aviation disaster in a decade. Mary

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Speaker 2: Schiavo is a former Inspector General at the US Department

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Speaker 2: of Transportation. Hey, Mary, Hi, good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: There is some speculation that what's gone wrong here is

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Speaker 2: a flap issue. Does it look like that to you?

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Speaker 21: Well, what's interesting is in the videos that we have

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Speaker 21: now seen from two different vantage points, it does look

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Speaker 21: that like the flaps are not deployed, and that's always

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Speaker 21: a serious issue, especially when it's hot out because the

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Speaker 21: hot decreases the performance of the plane and you need

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Speaker 21: those flaps more than ever. However, in this plane, it's

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Speaker 21: very modern plane, obviously one of the newest ones, the

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Speaker 21: newest model of plane that Boying produces. The aircraft should

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Speaker 21: have given a warning if there was not a proper

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Speaker 21: flap setting, and that would be on both the flight

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Speaker 21: data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so at this stage two, is it too early

783
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Speaker 2: to tell whether it is a problem with the pilot

784
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Speaker 2: who didn't deploy the flaps or the plane that didn't

785
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Speaker 2: tell the pilot that the flaps weren't deployed.

786
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Speaker 21: Well, too early to tell. But you can see this

787
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Speaker 21: on the second video that's surfaced, the one that's a

788
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Speaker 21: slightly different vantage point, and you can see that or

789
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Speaker 21: a plane is taking up a good part of the runway.

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Speaker 21: You can see in that video that the plane is

791
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Speaker 21: moving very slowly, and certainly the pilot should have noticed

792
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Speaker 21: that you have two decision points in your takeoff roll

793
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Speaker 21: B what's called B one and the other one is

794
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Speaker 21: called B two, And if you haven't hit certain speeds

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Speaker 21: in certain performances, you need to abort that takeoff before

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Speaker 21: you pass those two points, especially at an airport that

797
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Speaker 21: does not have what's called runway overrun areas or restor beds,

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Speaker 21: because if you can't lift off at the end of

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Speaker 21: that runway in an airport like that, there's no way out.

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Speaker 21: Slight assumed.

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Speaker 2: What does this mean for Boeing?

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Speaker 21: I think that's the real interesting question here, because of

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Speaker 21: Boeing difficulties and because of the two crashes of the

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Speaker 21: seven thirty seven Max eight. Now this is a seven

805
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Speaker 21: eighty seven, that's seven thirty seven, entirely different aircraft model.

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Speaker 21: I think the Boeing is going to be on the

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Speaker 21: hot seat to prove a negative you know, ordinarily, and

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Speaker 21: and it will be the same here. The accident investigation

809
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Speaker 21: is a very formal procedure. They have different working groups

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Speaker 21: that address everything from aircraft performance, survivability, pilot performance, weather, runway, airport,

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Speaker 21: you name it. And but here I think Boeing starts

812
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Speaker 21: out underwater. They literally are going to have the burden

813
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Speaker 21: to prove that that it's not the aircraft's fault, rather

814
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Speaker 21: than starting out with to prove what it was. Just

815
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Speaker 21: because Boeing has such you know, has such a bad

816
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Speaker 21: you know track record recently, and ordinarily, you know, they'd say, well,

817
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Speaker 21: you know, there's no evidence that we did anything wrong.

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Speaker 21: I think Boeing's going to have to show here's the

819
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Speaker 21: evidence that we did not do anything wrong. And that's

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Speaker 21: that's tough. That's a tough spot.

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Speaker 2: Mary, how did that guy survive?

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Speaker 21: You know what's really interesting is I have worked so

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Speaker 21: many tragically I guess I have a very sad job,

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Speaker 21: but I have worked so many accidents over the years,

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Speaker 21: and I have had other accidents where there was a

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Speaker 21: sole survivor or a few people survived. And it's always

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Speaker 21: a combination between just just luck. You happen to be

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Speaker 21: in the right place at the right time. That's part

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Speaker 21: of it. And then the second part is usually your

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Speaker 21: willingness to get up and run, fight your way out,

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Speaker 21: do whatever you have to do to get out. And

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Speaker 21: of course that you know, that assumes that there's a fire. Now,

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Speaker 21: if there's no fire modern aircraft, now, I've worked several

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Speaker 21: crashes where the plane was completely destroyed and everyone survived.

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Speaker 21: So the issue is a if there's a fire, then

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Speaker 21: that really this is your chance of survival. Two, if

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Speaker 21: you're lucky enough to be in the right spot where

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Speaker 21: you can get out, next to an emergency exitter where

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Speaker 21: the plane breaks open. Several crashes I've worked, people got

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Speaker 21: out because the plane happened to break right where they are.

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Speaker 21: And then three, you know, the willingness to literally walk

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Speaker 21: through fire to save your life. And I've had several

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Speaker 21: cases where I have, you know, met amazing people who've

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Speaker 21: had to do just that walk through fire to save

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Speaker 21: your lives.

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Speaker 2: Well, Mary, thanks very much, really appreciate your time. Mary Sciavo,

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Speaker 2: Former Inspector General, US Department of Transportation isten going to

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Speaker 2: it was a fair bit of drama in court for

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Speaker 2: the sentencing of the man who killed Christ Church Realists.

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Speaker 2: That agent Jon Feibau Analyisk is a senior crime journalist

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Speaker 2: with The Herald and was in court today. Heyana Hiever,

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Speaker 2: So what happened?

873
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Speaker 22: Well, he was sentenced to life in prison with seventeen

874
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Speaker 22: and a half years minimum non parole, and it took

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Speaker 22: us six hours to reach that judge's decision.

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Speaker 2: Today because he was acting up, was he Yeah.

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Speaker 22: So from the get go there was ranting, raising, screaming, shout, shaking,

878
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Speaker 22: and he's just so so adamant that he's been framed

879
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Speaker 22: and he's innocent, and he just would not shut up.

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Speaker 22: The judge sort of tried in various terms to tell

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Speaker 22: him that there was be time for him to speak,

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Speaker 22: and you know, it wasn't then and there, but he

883
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Speaker 22: just wouldn't. So eventually he got removed and put in

884
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Speaker 22: another courtroom to watch proceedings through a video link on

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Speaker 22: mute so that we could get on with things in

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Speaker 22: the courtroom.

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Speaker 2: Somebody seem to me he had a nap in that courtroom.

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Speaker 2: Is that true?

889
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Speaker 16: Oh?

890
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 22: Look, for a long time he had his eyes shut.

891
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Speaker 22: Various times they were sitting on the floor with his

892
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Speaker 22: head in his hands. He did, I genuinely think he

893
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Speaker 22: looked like he might have been a slafe at points.

894
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Speaker 22: Other times he faced the wall so away from the

895
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Speaker 22: cameras and looked pretty disinterested. But it was better than

896
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Speaker 22: when he was in the courtroom with the judge and

897
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Speaker 22: just the constant screaming, shouting, refusing to sit down was

898
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Speaker 22: really disruptive and I guess very very upsetting for Jan

899
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Speaker 22: Fay's Stamiley hand friends who were there, I.

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Speaker 2: Can imagine, and also was there. Did it seem to

901
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Speaker 2: you that at one stage he was confused and thought

902
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Speaker 2: he was at some sort of an appeal hearing.

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Speaker 22: Our one hundred percent He claimed that he didn't understand

904
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Speaker 22: the difference between sentencing and appeals, and he had had

905
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Speaker 22: this document he kept pulling out that I think he

906
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Speaker 22: wanted to read, and his adamant that has been framed,

907
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Speaker 22: that police planted evidence, that his own lawyers are covering

908
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Speaker 22: up evidence, and that this mysterious mister Tang is the

909
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Speaker 22: real offender and he's been mistaken for him and he

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Speaker 22: just he's very passionate is the word I'll use. He's

911
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Speaker 22: very passionate in his belief that he's the wrong man

912
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Speaker 22: and he thought today was his chance to have a

913
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Speaker 22: chat to the world about that and would not listen

914
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Speaker 22: to the judge when she said that wasn't the case.

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Speaker 2: Well, he has been Yeah, he's been a lot the

916
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Speaker 2: whole way through. Hey, and I appreciate it an aa least.

917
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Speaker 2: The Herald's senior crime journalist listens on the subject of

918
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Speaker 2: crime and court cases and so on. That coronial inquiry

919
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 2: has come through it. This is the one into the

920
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Speaker 2: death of the Gaul Toddler Lockey that you'll remember. This

921
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Speaker 2: is the boy who was found in the oxidation pond,

922
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Speaker 2: very small boy. I think it was about three or

923
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Speaker 2: thereabouts in early twenty eleven. The coroner has slammed the cops,

924
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Speaker 2: raised questions about how the cops came to the conclusion

925
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Speaker 2: that the little boy had drowned accidentally after wandering off.

926
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Speaker 2: He says there are investigative shortcomings and it's not possible

927
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Speaker 2: to determine how the little boy came to be in

928
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Speaker 2: the pond. Now he is not saying this is the

929
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Speaker 2: coroner not saying that anyone is complicit or that anyone

930
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Speaker 2: is responsible. He's basically just saying the cops did not

931
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Speaker 2: do a very good job of this investigation. Five twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Informed Inside into Today's issues. It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive

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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 10: That'd be.

935
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Speaker 2: Hey, one hundred drones in coming to Israel. Iran has

936
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: just launched them in the last few hours. The IDF

937
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 2: is working to shoot them down. They say should take

938
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Speaker 2: a few hours to reach Israel, so we'll keep an

939
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Speaker 2: eye on that for you. It's five twenty five. Now

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Speaker 2: a question for you, is there a reason for year

941
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Speaker 2: fourteen's to stay behind at school and play school boy rugby?

942
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Speaker 2: I ask because I can't see the reason myself. There's

943
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Speaker 2: been a bit of debate over this in the last

944
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Speaker 2: few days because it turns out that that Marlborough Boys

945
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Speaker 2: College rugby team that pulled that funny little stunt with

946
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Speaker 2: the penalty kick that then turned into a try a

947
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Speaker 2: few weeks ago actually has five year fourteen boys in

948
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Speaker 2: its first fifteen Now, I've got a lot of time

949
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Speaker 2: for Tim O'Connor, who is the principle of Auckland Grammar.

950
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Speaker 2: So the risk here is that I like whatever he

951
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: says just because he's saying it. But he does seem

952
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 2: to make a very good point here when he says

953
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 2: that this shouldn't be happening and suggests that if it

954
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Speaker 2: is happening, schools are not doing right by their students.

955
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Speaker 2: They're not doing right by the student that stays behind

956
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 2: for another year, because that student should actually be encouraged

957
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 2: to get on with their lives instead of hanging about

958
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 2: at school, and it's not doing right by the students

959
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: who miss out on their spots in the school rugby

960
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 2: team because the spots are taken by boys who shouldn't

961
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 2: be there. Now, Tim O'Connor says Auckland Grammar could actually

962
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Speaker 2: have asked Rico Ywanne to hang about for year fourteen

963
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: because he would have qualified and it would have been

964
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 2: great for the school. But they didn't, so Rico left

965
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Speaker 2: and instead Rico debuted for Auckland and the New Zealand

966
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Speaker 2: seven's team, and he made his test debut at nineteen,

967
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Speaker 2: which clearly is a better outcome for him than hanging

968
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Speaker 2: about at school for another year.

969
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Speaker 8: Now.

970
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 2: I don't know what's happened here because I thought that

971
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 2: Sport New Zealand was considering a ban. But in the

972
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: absence of that, perhaps we should consider what Tim says.

973
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 2: Tim says, schools need to remember why they exist. It's

974
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 2: to teach kids, not to put together awesome rugby teams.

975
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Speaker 1: Ever, du for ce Ellen, the.

976
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Speaker 2: Current Air India crash theory is that they retracted the

977
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Speaker 2: flaps by mistake instead of putting up the landing gear,

978
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Speaker 2: because a plane wouldn't have let them take off without

979
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Speaker 2: the flaps configured. Thank you for that. Look it's gonna

980
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 2: we're basically just scaffed to wait for this stuff to

981
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Speaker 2: be pulled. Apparently the data recorders are in the tail,

982
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Speaker 2: and the tail is the bit that's lodged in the building,

983
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Speaker 2: so she'ld be reasonably easy for them to get it out.

984
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: Do you remember this time last week I was telling

985
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 2: you that the Ministry for Disabled People was advertising the

986
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 2: sweetest job you've ever heard of in your life, two

987
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars to be the head

988
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Speaker 2: of communications, which like is the easiest job in the world,

989
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 2: because nobody's ever mean to disable people congratulations to Shane.

990
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 2: Shane Coalishaw has got the job. It's an internal promotion

991
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 2: he got, he said. He was the one who came

992
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: to me when I talked about it on air last week.

993
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 2: He was the one who came to me and said, ah,

994
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 2: yet it's not necessary. They might not get the person

995
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Speaker 2: who gets the job, probably knowing full well by then

996
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 2: he'd got the job. I might not get two one

997
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty eight. That's the top of the band.

998
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 2: They might get the bottom of the band. Will come on,

999
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 2: who's going to take the bottom of the band when

1000
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 2: you know what the top of the band is. The

1001
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 2: bottom of the band was about one hundred and seventy,

1002
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: which even then is overpriced. But anyway, he's got it.

1003
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 2: So if I hope to God that he's Look if

1004
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 2: he's negotiating, negotiate for the top, Shane, if you haven't already,

1005
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: because you know it's available, and if you're taking easy

1006
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 2: money from the taxpayer. Tacks them more and drinks are

1007
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: on Shane tonight a because Shane can afford them by

1008
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 2: the looks of things. Let's talk next to the boss

1009
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 2: the Blue Sea, how they're feeling about going up against

1010
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 2: the Crusaders headliness next.

1011
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 11: For a new person all over again.

1012
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

1013
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: drive home, it's hither duplicy Ellen, drive with one New Zealand.

1014
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: Let's get connected news talk sa'd be.

1015
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 19: NOCA want you favorite dog?

1016
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 23: America Region?

1017
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: What time is the Energy ministraan? It is extra Chris

1018
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: Pink who was the Building and Construction Minister. But it's

1019
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: on the same subject on the solar on getting the

1020
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 2: solar panels on your roof, which he's going to make

1021
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 2: easier for you if you want them, and he's with

1022
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 2: us after six o'clock. Helen, that's me, Helen. I just

1023
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 2: saw something very funny in the Air New Zealand Lounge.

1024
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Speaker 2: Chloe Swarbrick was walking out and Shane Jones was walking in.

1025
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 2: There was no smiling from either of them. I'm guessing

1026
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 2: they've both had completely different weeks. It's true. I think

1027
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 2: you're right, Chris. Do you think that the do you

1028
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 2: think being in the Air New Zealand Lounge is like

1029
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 2: a little form of hell for Chloe because she knows

1030
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 2: what she's about to do. Like, first of all, she's

1031
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 2: there with rich people, right, She's just looking at them

1032
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 2: with dollar signs above their heads, and she's like, you

1033
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Speaker 2: are on a wealth tax you O, and a wealth

1034
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 2: tax you OW, and a well tax you. And I'll

1035
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 2: tell you what if one of those NBR rich listers

1036
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 2: walks and she just flips a nut because she's like,

1037
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 2: I really want to tax you. But then also so

1038
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: she's surrounded by all of the things that she hates

1039
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 2: bearing money. But then also she's about to jump on

1040
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 2: a plane and start killing that climate eight. That must

1041
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 2: be a form of personal hell sitting there just you know,

1042
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 2: she could, of course just not do it. She could,

1043
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 2: of course just not go there twenty and really live

1044
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: by her principles. Twenty three away from six. Now we

1045
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: are under two hours away from the kickoff of the

1046
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: first Super Rugby Final of this season. Tonight. We've got

1047
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 2: the Crusaders taking on the Blues at the Apollo Projects

1048
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: Stadium in christ Church. Andrew Hall is the Blue CEO.

1049
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: Hey Andrew, how are you? I'm well, thank you, how

1050
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 2: are you well?

1051
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:11,919
Speaker 24: Quite excited there and no nervousness, No, no, I think

1052
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 24: generally when you come down here there is a lot

1053
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 24: but I think we're gr there's been a genuine excitement.

1054
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 16: This time around, it is a different set of circumstances,

1055
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 16: which is yeah, so we're really we're up for it.

1056
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 16: And it's been a great feeling in the whole environment

1057
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 16: all week, which has been brilliant.

1058
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if you guys have knocked off the chiefs,

1059
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 2: then you'll make easy peckings of the crusaders, wouldn't you.

1060
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 16: I'm not going to give Colin Nora's crew any anything

1061
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 16: to him, are we with? But you've got to respect

1062
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 16: them and you've got to respect their record. I've been

1063
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 16: texting them all week how lucky we are to be

1064
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 16: walking on the same field as them. So yeah, I

1065
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 16: just and I also asked them where there is superstitious

1066
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 16: thing Friday the thirteenth, So yeah, it makes for a

1067
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 16: great back for a great game. And there's a lot

1068
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 16: of people travel down which has been brilliant.

1069
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Speaker 2: So have you meet So you've sort of been sledging

1070
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 2: and hassling him on the text?

1071
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Speaker 1: Have I?

1072
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Speaker 9: Oh?

1073
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 16: Yes, we have a we have a little group that

1074
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 16: was formed during COVID and we meet every Friday now.

1075
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Speaker 16: But the the WhatsApp is the WhatsApps had a good

1076
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 16: thrashing this week amongst the group, with a bit of banta,

1077
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Speaker 16: which has been which has been fantastic.

1078
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: How do you meet every friday? You meet him person?

1079
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 16: No, we we we zoom in every friday, we have

1080
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 16: since since COVID, and we work together on certain things

1081
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Speaker 16: off the field. But nights like this we probably won't

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Speaker 16: talk during it, but we will will after it. We'll

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Speaker 16: share a beer and enjoy we and I think a

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Speaker 16: lot of that, a lot of that what that created was,

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Speaker 16: you know, the commission and those initiatives and the law

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Speaker 16: changes have come from this group actually getting together and saying, actually,

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Speaker 16: we're not too dissimilar, what can we do together? And

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Speaker 16: and yeah, it's it's been fantastic. And during COVID, because

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00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 16: we're all facing basically going under, it was almost counseling.

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Speaker 9: It was.

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Speaker 16: It was very good, very good.

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Speaker 2: We all use the zoom for counseling. I think, well,

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Speaker 2: what kind of law changes have you guys managed to

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Speaker 2: come up with?

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00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 16: Well, I think we really advocated for speeding the game up,

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00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 16: getting particularly scrums, line outs, moving time, shot clocks, those

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Speaker 16: kind of things. So really trying to make it more

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00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 16: of a fan for aendy. Now we've still got work

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00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 16: to do, we know that, but we have to go

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Speaker 16: through layers for those changes because the international body is

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Speaker 16: so strong and it takes a lot to advocate and change.

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Speaker 3: But you know, we've been.

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Speaker 16: Working pretty probably now for four or five years together,

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Speaker 16: and even the formation of the Commission as our whole

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00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 16: drive around fandom and creating fandom and getting some excitement

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Speaker 16: back into the game, which has been brilliant, brilliant.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So basically, if we have a problem, So what

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Speaker 2: I've now discovered is if I have a problem as

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Speaker 2: a fan with the game, I just need to text

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Speaker 2: you and you can take it to the Zoom conference.

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Speaker 2: Take the conference, Andrew, good luck tonight. I really hope

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Speaker 2: you guys, guys did very very well because I feel

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Speaker 2: like you deser who cares about the Crusaders. Andrew ware

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Speaker 2: Blue ceo.

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Speaker 1: The Friday Sports title with New Zealand Subbodi's International Realty

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Speaker 1: Find You're one of a kind.

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Speaker 2: Back to three would all over it.

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Speaker 5: The fantastic mister fucks, here's the King of Canada.

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Speaker 13: It is what it is. This weekend we are at

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Speaker 13: home with you know, hopefully get a great crowd and

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Speaker 13: you do need your your quality to play their best

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Speaker 13: footy at this time of the year, and.

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Speaker 9: You better watch your mouth, bro, because I'm going to

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Speaker 9: come over there soon.

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Speaker 10: We'll see who's greed you are.

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Speaker 2: Brother.

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Speaker 4: Think this is my studio.

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Speaker 2: I don't come in here and talk to me like that.

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Speaker 2: Just because you've got nice here this morning doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: I want to get off this.

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Speaker 4: Yere now, just nice here, a nice faith. I don't

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Speaker 4: think love that.

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Speaker 2: On the sports Tittle this evening, Nikki steyras sports journalist

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Speaker 2: and Paul Allison news talks he'd be rugby commentator. Hello

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Speaker 2: you too? Did you see that?

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Speaker 11: Paul?

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00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 2: Did you see Ryan v Sonny Bill?

1138
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 8: He had, Yeah, just another off field, a little promotional

1139
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 8: beat up for this boxing contest, which is what been

1140
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 8: three years in the making.

1141
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 2: So are you telling me you think that whole thing

1142
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 2: was staged?

1143
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 8: Absolutely?

1144
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 2: What gives it away the completely uncharacteristic anger from ryany

1145
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 2: such chill guy. It's not like him to get that

1146
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 2: angry that quickly.

1147
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 8: I'm sure it would have worked that out beforehand. It's

1148
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 8: a little bit like the old pro wrestling that you

1149
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 8: used to have, all these moves that worked out in advance. Yeah,

1150
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 8: to me, I could read through that like a plate

1151
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 8: glass window. It was so easy to see through.

1152
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Speaker 2: I thought, thank you, Paul Nicky.

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Speaker 7: I can't actually see it that way.

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Speaker 16: I mean, I know Ryan quite well, and I taken

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Speaker 16: back by it.

1156
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 2: And bad acting.

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00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 7: Do you think so?

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Speaker 15: You think so?

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00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 7: And it's it's a really bad contest too, because Ryan

1160
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 7: is not the fighting time anybody knows him, he's going

1161
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 7: to stand up and go okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: I'm just yeah, that's why.

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Speaker 9: That's what.

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Speaker 2: Because the producers were trying to convince me, it was realized.

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Speaker 2: I come on, that's not like Ryan doesn't react like that.

1166
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Speaker 2: He's a very nice guy. I'm glad that we will

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Speaker 2: basically come to agree, and you know, hopefully the producers

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Speaker 2: will be convinced at some stage. Now, Paul, I can't

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Speaker 2: decide if I like the Lucky Loser or not. Where

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Speaker 2: do you sit on it?

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Speaker 8: Yeah? I like it because of the fact that you

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Speaker 8: can't really have eight teams and an eleven team competition

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Speaker 8: making it through to the playoffs. If you go to four,

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Speaker 8: that's fine, but you've got one week less. You've probably

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Speaker 8: got less Australian teams potentially in the mix as well.

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Speaker 8: The one thing I would change though, hither is that

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Speaker 8: if you are the lucky loser as the Chiefs were

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Speaker 8: the last week, I would drop them to the bottom

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Speaker 8: of the four and they would be derived or they

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Speaker 8: would be deprived of having any home games from there through,

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Speaker 8: And so there's got to be some consequences.

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Speaker 3: I mean, here they are.

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Speaker 8: They could literally host the final next week if the

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Speaker 8: Blues get up over the Crusaders and they beat the

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Speaker 8: Brumbies tomorrow, which I think is not really the sort

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00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 8: of penalty that you need to have if you've lost

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Speaker 8: the game.

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Speaker 3: But I actually like the format.

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Speaker 8: I think if they make that change and say the

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Speaker 8: bottom or the losing team in that quarterfinal or whatever

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Speaker 8: we call it last week, that top six goes to

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Speaker 8: the bottom of the four that then progresses through, I'm

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Speaker 8: pretty happy with it.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: See, I don't know, Niki, and genuinely am in two

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Speaker 2: minds about it, because the problem with the seems to

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Speaker 2: me to be that there's no that upset by the

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Speaker 2: Blues is redundant because the Chiefs are still there, like

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Speaker 2: it should it should knock them out.

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Speaker 7: No, because the chief season has been you know, one advanced.

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Speaker 16: I think of the Blue season, I don't I don't.

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Speaker 7: Mind that it's a little bit lead like and I

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Speaker 7: think you know that the thing that worries me as

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Speaker 7: I say that now, I feel like the Blues have

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Speaker 7: actually probably already played Decnemy final. I'm not sure that

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Speaker 7: they're going to have it mentally to get up over

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Speaker 7: the Crusaders like they did last week. You know, the

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Speaker 7: Crusaders are such a classy outfit in christ Church with

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Speaker 7: the men. The stats speak for themselves. They haven't been

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Speaker 7: beaten in.

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Speaker 10: So many years.

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Speaker 7: So it's certainly going to take something very special from

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Speaker 7: the Blues to actually achieve. I'm not saying they can't

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Speaker 7: do it. I love to see them do it from

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Speaker 7: the Blues stands through and through, but ultimately I think

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Speaker 7: it's going to be a Crusader's victory.

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Speaker 8: Although last week they said that they didn't have a

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Speaker 8: chance against the Chiefs, I mean the Chiefs were running

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00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 8: red hot. They so they didn't have a chance.

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Speaker 4: They won that.

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Speaker 8: I mean, someone's going to come back a little bit

1222
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Speaker 8: like Lazarreuth on this. I mean he's urn Cotter. He

1223
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 8: was dead and buried at the halfway through the season

1224
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 8: and the Blues were pretty much out of it. They

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Speaker 8: made it, and then last year at the end of

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Speaker 8: Super Rugby. Here's Rob Penny that was dead and buried

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Speaker 8: and really couldn't make the top eight. And here's a

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Speaker 8: couple of coaches now that are writing contention for, you know,

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Speaker 8: possibly a championship title.

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Speaker 16: Do you know what I think? Though?

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Speaker 7: I just think that the Crusader's Ford Pack is going

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00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 7: to stand tall and they're going to be stronger, and

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00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 7: ultimately the Ford Pack and rugby ones, especially Blessed Andrew

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00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 7: Hore the way that the setup is with the scrums

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00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 7: and the rolling waves and that type of thing, and

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Speaker 7: I think they will dominate.

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Speaker 2: All Right, guys, I want to get your take think

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Speaker 2: about this over the break. Has Mark Robinson been a

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00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 2: good CEO of insid Out. We'll get your take when

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Speaker 2: we come back.

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Speaker 1: Quarter to two the Friday Sports title with New Zealand

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Speaker 1: Southeast International Realty, the ones with local and global reach.

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Speaker 2: Right, you're back with Nicki Styrs and Paul Allison. So, Nicky,

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Speaker 2: what do you reckon? Has rober been good at the job?

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Speaker 7: Well, I'm going to say from a journalist point of view,

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00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 7: the years that I sat here at TB three and

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Speaker 7: got very frustrated with his tactics with the media, you know,

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00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 7: I have my reservations. However, on balance, I would actually

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Speaker 7: have to say, yes, he's been a pretty good CEO,

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00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 7: given that he's also got an answer to a board

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00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 7: and the provinces. You know, he did take the All

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Speaker 7: Blacks of World Cup Finals. I guess that's the ultimate goal.

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Speaker 7: I think he navigated that post COVID era pretty well.

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01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 7: And you know, they did start to initiate initiatives around

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01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 7: modernizing and adapting the game through the digital platform and

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01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 7: becoming a bit more fan centric I think, which you

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01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 7: know you need to do because it's an entertainment product.

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Speaker 7: I think where the challenges remain and they will probably

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Speaker 7: going forward, and I'm not sure you could blame this

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Speaker 7: on him is that they're you know, the persistent financial

1261
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Speaker 7: losses and you know, the governance model has obviously come

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01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 7: under fire in recent times. So you know, like I think,

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Speaker 7: if you if you want to round it out, I'd

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01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 7: say yes. But yeah, there's definitely Rugby on the whole

1265
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 7: has definitely got some good, big challenges going to it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think everybody's sort of saying mixed bag,

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01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 2: aren't they pulled? But it can't have been that good

1268
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 2: because otherwise he'd still be there and wouldn't have been,

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Speaker 2: you know, given the hint to go to Australia.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well he had six years as a board member beforehand,

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Speaker 8: so they knew exactly what they were getting when they

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Speaker 8: appointed Mark.

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Speaker 21: To the role.

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Speaker 8: But he's had a lot of choppy waters to navigate

1275
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 8: his way through, with silver Lake and COVID and the

1276
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 8: governance reviews and having a new board and in the

1277
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 8: sponsorship and then the Ian Foster Scott Robertson saga that

1278
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 8: went on as well. I go back to the quote

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Speaker 8: that Steve Cheu made after he stood down a CE

1280
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 8: after twelve years in the role, and someone said, what

1281
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 8: do you do as a chief executive? And he said,

1282
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 8: you take the blame. And so when you look at

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01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 8: what Mar's had to sort of navigate his way through,

1284
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 8: and you know the fact that you've got to take

1285
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 8: the good with the bad, and he's had some difficult times.

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01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 8: The lost seventy five million dollars in the last three years,

1287
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 8: but you know they've grown the game, so there's a

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01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 8: balance there. It's not a job that any of us

1289
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 8: would really welcome. I don't think it's a pretty tough

1290
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 8: job and you live in a fish bowl or a

1291
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 8: goldfish bowl where you've everyone's got an opinion on how

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01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 8: well you've gone. But I think he's been a pretty

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01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 8: capable CEO overall.

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Speaker 2: Hey, why does the UAU want the run at competition? Nikki?

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01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 8: Why do they want it?

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01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 7: I have no idea why they want it. I have one,

1297
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 7: very very simple view on that, and it's just bloody

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Speaker 7: stupidity and barbarism, and they should just you know, don't

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Speaker 7: get me started. It just makes me angry as a parent,

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Speaker 7: as a grandmother, as everything.

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Speaker 2: Grandmother, Nikki, Oh did I just saw that in the.

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Speaker 7: Midst Did you not know that either?

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Speaker 2: How well does your granddaby?

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Speaker 7: I've got one that's almost three and one that.

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Speaker 9: Have you?

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Speaker 2: This is look, I'm going to objectify you, Nikki.

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Speaker 11: Paul.

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Speaker 2: Have you seen Nicky's body? She has got How many

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Speaker 2: ads have you got?

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Speaker 13: Nikki?

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Speaker 2: This girl is ripped as all hell?

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Speaker 16: Paul?

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Speaker 2: How is does? How long is does a grannie have

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Speaker 2: a banging body like that? Holy?

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Speaker 7: I'll take this cheper coming.

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Speaker 2: I'll objective objectify it. Will the cows come home if

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Speaker 2: you want? Anyway? I don't want to. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to make this okay for people to do.

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Speaker 8: And I'm not answer that in case of them myself.

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Speaker 2: Your parcel, So you can tell me why people are

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Speaker 2: sophisticated as the people of Dubai want to watch some

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Speaker 2: buffheads run into each other.

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Speaker 8: Look, I don't I just put Ryan Bridge and Sonny

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Speaker 8: Build together on that one. Look, it's not even a sports.

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Speaker 8: It's not a sport. It's crazy. No one really wants it.

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Speaker 8: America has given up on it. I think UK have

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Speaker 8: as well.

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Speaker 17: It'll die.

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Speaker 8: It will die a natural death. And I don't mean

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Speaker 8: that figature well figuratively really, because you know, with what

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Speaker 8: we've already seen with poor old Ryan Sathawaite losing his

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Speaker 8: life and it's a crazy activity. Calling it a sport

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Speaker 8: is over glorifying it. And I'll be pleased to see

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Speaker 8: the back of.

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Speaker 2: It too, Right, guys, go well and Nikki keep training,

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Speaker 2: Nicki Styrus, Paul Allison. How many how many abbs have

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Speaker 2: you got? A six? It's six more than the average person,

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Speaker 2: isn't it? Eight away from six?

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather duple c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on iHeart Radio powered by News Talk ZBI.

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Speaker 2: Heather read the Air India accident, the rat which is

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Speaker 2: the ram air turbine appears to have been extended from

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Speaker 2: below the right now, the rat automatically extends in the

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Speaker 2: event of a dual engine failure to power the emergency generator,

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Speaker 2: so it would appear that the aircraft may have suffered

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Speaker 2: a dual engine failure. Yeah, lots of theories on it. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: we'll have to wait to find out. You know, I

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Speaker 2: was talking yesterday about how we're talking about the UN

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Speaker 2: having put out that report into why we've got falling

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Speaker 2: birth rates and stuff, and I said to you, it's

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Speaker 2: not got to do with financial poverty. It's got to

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Speaker 2: do with time poverty. People are too busy to have kids. Well,

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Speaker 2: apropos that Dua Lipa has just said basically exactly the

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Speaker 2: same thing. She's got engaged to. Callum Turner, who has

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Speaker 2: been in varis what was that TV show on TV

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Speaker 2: and Z Do you know the one where they they

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Speaker 2: were It's like Second World War and they are in

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Speaker 2: the desert Rogue Heroes. It's called He's one of the

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Speaker 2: chaps in Rogue Heroes if I remember correctly, he's also

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Speaker 2: an actor and boys in the boat. Anyway, never mind,

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Speaker 2: they've got engaged and so she was obviously asked the

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Speaker 2: next question, are you going to have a family, which

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Speaker 2: has been asked of women forever, and she responded and said, no,

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Speaker 2: I'm too busy to have kids. She says she doesn't

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Speaker 2: know how she can start a family and how that

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Speaker 2: would fit in with her job. And actually, at twenty nine,

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Speaker 2: has displayed remarkable maturity by saying, I love kids, but

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Speaker 2: I think there is so much more to raising a

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Speaker 2: child than just loving children. So there you go. That

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Speaker 2: was my point exactly now, Mark Lundy, you may be

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Speaker 2: aware of this. When Mark Lundy was paroled recently, one

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Speaker 2: of the conditions that he was given by the parole

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Speaker 2: board is that he's not allowed to speak to the

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Speaker 2: media at all. And at the time we just accepted it.

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Speaker 2: But actually some concerns have now been raised by private

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Speaker 2: investigator Tim McKinnell about this. He says this should be

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Speaker 2: reconsidered because this takes away basically a person's most important

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Speaker 2: tool to be able to advocate for their own innocence,

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Speaker 2: which is their own voice. He says, actually, this is

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Speaker 2: potentially a problem with freedom of speech, and the point

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Speaker 2: that he makes is that when you have a miscarriage

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Speaker 2: of justice and I'm not saying that I believe there's

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Speaker 2: been a miscarriage of justice here, But if there has

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Speaker 2: been a miscarriage of justice, you often need the person

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Speaker 2: at the center of it to be able to advocate

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Speaker 2: and say I didn't do it, and this is why

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Speaker 2: I didn't do it. Mark Lundy cannot do that now.

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Speaker 2: That seems unfair to him because he obviously maintains his innocence.

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Speaker 2: The parole Board says they've done this to protect him

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Speaker 2: from the media, because apparently media intrusion is something he

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Speaker 2: is not keen on. But given that he might be

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Speaker 2: under parole under these parole conditions for decades, I think

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Speaker 2: they may actually have to rethink this one, and then

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Speaker 2: maybe we may even hear from him. We'll talk solar panels. Next,

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Speaker 2: News Talks.

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Speaker 1: EB where Business meets Insight, The Business Hour with Heather

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Speaker 1: dupless Ellen and Mares Insurance and investments, Grow your Wealth,

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Speaker 1: Protect your Future.

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Speaker 11: News Talks AB.

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Speaker 2: Evening coming up in the next hour. Is that Trump

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01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 2: a trade deal with China actually done like he says

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01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 2: it is. We'll check in with Peter Lewis on that.

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Speaker 2: We're going to wrap the political week that was and

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Speaker 2: also have a chat to Gavin Gray out of the

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Speaker 2: UK at seven past six. Now, our government is encouraging

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Speaker 2: us to get into solar powers by making it easier

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Speaker 2: to install the panels. Chris Pink is the Building in

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Speaker 2: Construction Minister High Chris, Hello, Heather, what's brought this on?

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Speaker 25: Well, it's been talked about for a long period of

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Speaker 25: time and we've decided we're going to do something about

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Speaker 25: it by making it easier, faster and therefore cheap at

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Speaker 25: it install solar. I mean it kind of makes sense

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Speaker 25: in the modern age, but particularly with power prices rising,

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Speaker 25: so the math gets a bit easier. So we're just

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Speaker 25: giving a push in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: So but am I right in reading this in this

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Speaker 2: way that if you put the solar panels, if you're

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Speaker 2: building a house and you put the solar panels on

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Speaker 2: your roof, you'll actually your house will be prioritized for consent.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, basically that's it for new builds. For existing homes

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Speaker 25: is also a scheme whereby we're saying you don't need

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Speaker 25: a building consent to do it. And to be fair,

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Speaker 25: some councils already have that as their policy, but others don't.

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Speaker 25: So we're getting a bit of certainty in consistency by

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01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 25: making that a clear rule in the Building Act, so

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Speaker 25: you won't need a consent to go ahead and do

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Speaker 25: something relatively straightforward. That's going to have a great benefit.

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Speaker 2: And did I see that you're also making it easier

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Speaker 2: to sell more back to the grid, Is that right?

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Speaker 25: Yeah, so that's really led by Simon Watt's being the

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Speaker 25: Minister for Energy. But the point there is that by

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Speaker 25: changing the tolerance of the energy being a plus or

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Speaker 25: minus a factor of ten as opposed to six, you

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Speaker 25: can actually have a lot more power put back into

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Speaker 25: the grid, which of course is the rest good for

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Speaker 25: the rest of us, but also, you know, is a payoff,

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Speaker 25: a little payoff for those who have got solar and stall.

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Speaker 11: So again it just makes it easier to stay here.

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Speaker 2: I didn't understand that. Can you explain that to me?

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Speaker 7: No, Like that.

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Speaker 16: Explained to me.

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Speaker 25: It made perfect sense. But I'm not gonna I'm not

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Speaker 25: gonna risk leading your listeners astral.

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Speaker 2: No, because I read it and I was like, I

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Speaker 2: don't get this. I was there something wrong with me,

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Speaker 2: But no, it would appear that if something wrong with me,

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Speaker 2: it's wrong with you too. Neither of us understandable anyway

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Speaker 2: works that way, doesn't it? How much power do we

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Speaker 2: expect to actually get, Like, what are we banking on here?

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Speaker 25: Well, it's hard to know, actually because I mean the

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Speaker 25: move is already being made somewhat in this direction, so

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Speaker 25: it's kind of hard to know exactly what the extra

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Speaker 25: uptake is going to be. But with power becoming more

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Speaker 25: expensive at the same time as the technology is becoming cheaper,

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Speaker 25: both in terms of solar panels and in the batteries,

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Speaker 25: And the batteries are really the holy grail because of

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Speaker 25: course by the time you're storing it, you're not worried

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Speaker 25: if it's a sunny day or not, which of course

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Speaker 25: is the classic problem with renewable energy. But you know,

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Speaker 25: a battery and a household that you can do will

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Speaker 25: even out those those ebbs and flows, both at an

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Speaker 25: individual household level and for the grids, And you know,

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Speaker 25: we need that resilience. We've had tough times terms of

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Speaker 25: energy security as well as the cost, so it'll be

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Speaker 25: greatly beneficial in that way.

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Speaker 2: Chris, do you reckon that even without like without this

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Speaker 2: incentivizing which you're doing at the moment, do you think

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Speaker 2: that there is increased appetite for solar panels.

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Speaker 25: I think there is any way to be fair. I

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Speaker 25: think people increasingly get it, So we.

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Speaker 2: Just actually turning that I get it into I want

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Speaker 2: it and then doing it.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, I mean industry would be able to tell you

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Speaker 25: what the figures are and it dotally. Certainly there is

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Speaker 25: increased appetite for it, but the cost barrier is huge.

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Speaker 25: So it's all very well for me to say, well,

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Speaker 25: these increased appetites and it will pay for itself and

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Speaker 25: a factor of ten or twelve or fifteen years or

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Speaker 25: whatever the case may be. But if people can't afford

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Speaker 25: it in the first place, then they're not going to

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Speaker 25: do it. So it's a good point. So it's really

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Speaker 25: about taking away some of that barrier in terms of

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Speaker 25: the initial upfront cost.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but interesting to see how this plays out. Chris,

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Speaker 2: thanks very much appreciated. Chris pink building a construction minister.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember us telling you a few weeks back

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Speaker 2: that there was real uncertainty about whether the Shortland Street

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01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 2: would be back next year. It's look, nothing's changed, and

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Speaker 2: the longer that nothing changes on this front, the more

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Speaker 2: it feels like Shorty Street is not back.

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Speaker 9: Me.

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01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 2: See there's always the outside chance that something will change

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01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 2: between now and the end of the year and it's back.

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01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 2: But you'd have to say the longer it goes without

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01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 2: them actually having made a decision, without funding being applied for,

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Speaker 2: the more it feels like, oh God, maybe it's not back.

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Speaker 2: The trouble that they've got right now is that they

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Speaker 2: have to write the end of the season now. And

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Speaker 2: you would know if you watch Shortland Street. The annual

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Speaker 2: cliffhanger is a bit of a thing, right, But how

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Speaker 2: do you write the annual cliffhanger if you don't know

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Speaker 2: if there's a season next year, and more importantly, if

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Speaker 2: you don't know which actors are coming back Because at

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01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 2: the moment, all the actors are off contract this year,

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01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 2: so they could go off and you know, I don't know,

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01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 2: move to Australia, move to the UK, go where there

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Speaker 2: are greener passes, do whatever. So how do you write

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Speaker 2: a cliffhanger if you don't know? With four example, Chris

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Speaker 2: Warner's back, and Chris Warner is one of them ho's

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Speaker 2: off contract. They have to write if you wonder why

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Speaker 2: they're running the end of the year now because it's

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01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 2: only midway through the year. That's because when they move

1513
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 2: from the five days a week broadcast to three days

1514
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 2: a week broadcast, they've basically been banking up like they're

1515
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 2: still filming from what I understand, five days a week,

1516
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 2: but they're only playing three days a week. So every

1517
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 2: week that goes by, you collect two more episodes that

1518
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 2: you've got in the can, right, so they've got a

1519
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 2: full load basically already there for much of the year

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01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 2: to get them through much of the year. So they're

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01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 2: basically doing the very last bits right now. Here's the

1522
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 2: thing that they should be worried about, and if you're

1523
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,719
Speaker 2: a fan of Shorter, you should be worried about. TV

1524
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 2: and Z has been asked by us. TV and Z

1525
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 2: has been asked now by The Herald and Shane Curry

1526
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:13,679
Speaker 2: at The Herald, who knows how to ask a question.

1527
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 2: He's been around for a long time. He knows how

1528
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 2: to ask a question. All of us have asked TV

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01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 2: and zed is it back next year? They are still

1530
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 2: not saying if it's back next year. That's got to

1531
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 2: make you suspicious, doesn't it. Twelve past six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather dupas Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by Newstalk ZEBI, Hey, just.

1534
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 2: An update on Israel for you. The US Embassy in

1535
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 2: Israel has instructed all of its employees and family members

1536
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 2: to shelter in place until further notice. That's because, of course,

1537
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 2: those one hundred drones coming over, which should arrive in

1538
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 2: the next few hours sent over by Iran. Also, they

1539
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 2: were going to have the pride parade in Tel Aviv

1540
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 2: later today and Caitlin Jenner was supposed to be the

1541
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 2: guest of honor. That has now been canceled. As you

1542
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 2: can imagine, it's quarter past six. Now let's wrap the

1543
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 2: political week that was with Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor.

1544
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:04,720
Speaker 6: Welcome back, Thomas, Heather, how are you?

1545
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 2: What's going to happen to Neil? Quickly?

1546
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 14: What is going to happen Neil quickly? I think he

1547
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 14: is under a huge amount of pressure. This week has

1548
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 14: been pretty dreadful for the Reserve Bank, and he has

1549
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:19,560
Speaker 14: basically been been called out saying things which do not

1550
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 14: tally with what a reasonable person would think of as

1551
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 14: the facts of the matter. So let's just recap. When

1552
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 14: Adrian or quit, Neil quickly said his decision to resign

1553
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 14: was a personal decision. The official papers that were released

1554
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 14: this week showed very clearly that Adrian or quit because

1555
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 14: he disagreed with the government over the amount of funding

1556
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 14: that was going to give the Reserve Bank. In other words,

1557
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,719
Speaker 14: most people would say not a not a personal decision.

1558
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 14: Nikola Willis has had a crack at the Bank for

1559
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 14: its delay in releasing those papers, and he has come

1560
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 14: under a whole lot of pressure for that delay and

1561
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:56,719
Speaker 14: also the fact that what he has said doesn't really

1562
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 14: tally with reality.

1563
01:13:58,200 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 13: Now.

1564
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 14: Of course, with everything relating to the banks, it has

1565
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 14: this independence, it prides that independence above everything. So he

1566
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 14: could possibly write it out, but certainly his future at

1567
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 14: the moment is looking less safe than it was a

1568
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:12,680
Speaker 14: week here.

1569
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 2: Not flash out. But there's not a lot actually that

1570
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 2: Nikola Willis can do because as we discussed yesterday, I

1571
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 2: think I discussed it with you, he hasn't met the

1572
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 2: threshold for her to really step in and sack him.

1573
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 2: Does she even want to sack him?

1574
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 14: Well, and I think that's the thing that you know,

1575
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 14: a finance minister can ultimately do do a lot of

1576
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 14: stuff with the Reserve Bank. The question is whether they

1577
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:37,720
Speaker 14: actually want to. And obviously if you start interfering with

1578
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 14: the Reserve Bank and the financial markets. And you said

1579
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,600
Speaker 14: this in the United States, the financial markets get a

1580
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 14: bit just read. They're like, well, we really don't like

1581
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 14: a finance something around here.

1582
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 2: No, no, And that's fair. But also, Thomas, I mean

1583
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 2: Neil Quickly as a friend of the National Party. Let's

1584
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:52,680
Speaker 2: not forget that, right He he and the NATS have

1585
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 2: been working together on that Waikator University Medical School thing.

1586
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 2: I get the feeling that he was their guy at

1587
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,759
Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank, kind of helping to to calm Adrian

1588
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 2: all down. So I don't know that they necessarily want

1589
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:04,679
Speaker 2: to cut them loose.

1590
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 14: And yes, and to that point, you know, the history

1591
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 14: of Quickley at the bank is that the current government

1592
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 14: reappointed them to that position. So there's a very explicit

1593
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:15,599
Speaker 14: boat of confidence there.

1594
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a very fair point. Now, are the farmers

1595
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:20,440
Speaker 2: loving the nets of the nets sucked up sufficiently?

1596
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 14: The farmers love the nets a field days. Obviously this

1597
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,560
Speaker 14: week it's the biggest. It's it's the week of the

1598
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 14: year where everyone reminds reminds ourselves of the centrality of

1599
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 14: other primary industries to the New Zealand economy. The taxpayers

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Speaker 14: Union Curier Pole. There was a Curier Pole of farmers.

1601
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 14: I think it was a commissioned by Federated Farmers actually,

1602
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 14: rather than the Taxpayers Union. But it showed that half

1603
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 14: of farmers are backing the NETS, nineteen percent backing Act

1604
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 14: and eight percent back in New Zealand First. Interesting Act

1605
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,320
Speaker 14: Act really leap frogging New Zealand First. New Zealand First

1606
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 14: has typically done really well with farmers, but acted at

1607
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 14: nineteen percent, that's pretty impressive. Labor, Labor not doing so

1608
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 14: well on three percent, the Green two percent. So so

1609
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 14: if farmers were the only people who could vote, then

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01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,800
Speaker 14: you'd be having a very very national national government. Of course,

1611
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 14: it's a bit like asking the unions who they would

1612
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 14: vote for. I think you could get the same results

1613
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 14: in reverse. But I think I think the NETS will

1614
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 14: be pretty happy with that. Well, actually all the coalition

1615
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:20,640
Speaker 14: maybe New Zealand verst We're pretty happy with that.

1616
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, But labor would be much more happy with that

1617
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 2: Taxpayers Union poll that looked across the country. I still

1618
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 2: I still think that. I mean, you could tell me

1619
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, but I said m MP aside and

1620
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 2: the fact that I act as cutting the lunch to

1621
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 2: some extent of the National Party by hoovering up some

1622
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 2: of their support base. I still think the NETS should

1623
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:40,599
Speaker 2: be worried that they're being eclipsed by labor because labour

1624
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 2: sucks at the moment. They don't suck as a concept,

1625
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 2: they just they're not a great version of labor right now.

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Speaker 14: No, I I this is I take I take your point.

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01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 14: It's not that this is not this is not you know,

1628
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 14: the stardust, the stardust years, as you might have called

1629
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 14: the last last period of labor. I think if you

1630
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 14: would have if you were to ask yourself what has

1631
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 14: been the toughest time for the National Party, specifically the

1632
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 14: National Party since they got into government, I would say

1633
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 14: that this budget has been the toughest period. That that

1634
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 14: pay equity decision was a difficult decision for the National Party.

1635
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 14: They were there in government when the original PA equity

1636
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 14: settlement was done. They support a pe equity and government

1637
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 14: they backed it all the way and now they have

1638
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 14: you turned on that and significantly twelve point eight billion

1639
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 14: dollars significantly. And then they came after kiwisavers in New Zealand,

1640
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 14: the New Zealand loves KIV Saver so I reckon, if

1641
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:32,600
Speaker 14: you do all of that and you only lose a

1642
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:34,720
Speaker 14: point in the polls, and you gain all of that

1643
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 14: money to spend elsewhere, then maybe in the National Party

1644
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 14: is thinking, you know, thinking, you know, a few tens

1645
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 14: of billions of dollars, more than ten billion dollars and

1646
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 14: all we've lost is a point. Well, that's not a

1647
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 14: bad trade. But yes, I mean, when you look across

1648
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 14: the aisle and you're in your first term, you're in

1649
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 14: the middle of your first term, and you're actually being

1650
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 14: eclipsed by your main opposition party, that is not a

1651
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 14: great position to be. And it's not just one poll.

1652
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 14: There have been several poles this year where Labor has

1653
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 14: eclipsed or the opposition parties ever cclipsed the coalition and

1654
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 14: government when Labor was in government. You only saw that

1655
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 14: happening really towards the very end, when the polls was

1656
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 14: showing a change of government for just underdoing versus signon bridges.

1657
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Thomas, listen, thanks as always, really appreciated. Thomas Coglan,

1658
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 2: the Herald's political editor, wrapping the political week that was

1659
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 2: six twenty one.

1660
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you

1661
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Ellen and Mayors, Insurance

1662
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 1: and investments, Grow your wealth, Protect your future, News.

1663
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 2: Dogs v Peter Lewis is with us out of Asia

1664
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:38,559
Speaker 2: very shortly, just because, as I was saying to you yesterday,

1665
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 2: the markets don't believe Trump when Trump says that the

1666
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,560
Speaker 2: whole thing is done and he just needs to approve it,

1667
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 2: and Jesus needs to approve it. So we'll see what

1668
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 2: Peter's got to say about it. On the Reserve Bank,

1669
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 2: the Reserve the job, jeez, if you haven't applied for

1670
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank governor, you I feel like you might.

1671
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 2: I'm not entirely sure when it closes, but it closes today,

1672
01:18:58,200 --> 01:18:59,600
Speaker 2: so you may still have a little bit. You can

1673
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 2: still flick your CV through if you need to. But

1674
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 2: it does close today. Jeez, I hope it's not prescient

1675
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 2: that it's Black Friday. Anyway. The Reserve Bank has been

1676
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 2: asked whether a lot of people have applied for the job.

1677
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 2: They said, we are pleased with the level of interest

1678
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 2: in the role, which I think means that I guess

1679
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 2: you're supposed to read it like there are lots of applications.

1680
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 2: But then but it could also mean only Christian applied,

1681
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 2: because I mean, if all they want is Christian and

1682
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 2: Christian applied, then they would be pleased with the level

1683
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 2: of interest and role. What surprises me is that the

1684
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 2: Reserve Bank is so determined to say nothing all of

1685
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 2: the time. There really are on a lockdown.

1686
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:36,599
Speaker 7: Ah.

1687
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 2: They feel like if they give us any information even

1688
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:43,560
Speaker 2: about how many applications there are or exceeded the expectation,

1689
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 2: slightly under the expectation, not as many as we thought

1690
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 2: from around the world, Like any information like that, what

1691
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna flip out with all that information, aren't we?

1692
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 8: Now?

1693
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 2: The cops. I don't know how you're gonna feel about

1694
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 2: me telling you this, but you remember how we talked

1695
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 2: about the cops and the quality of the candidates who

1696
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:04,680
Speaker 2: went into the police force. As a result of the

1697
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,640
Speaker 2: Herald doing the little investigation into that, they've done a

1698
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 2: review of the quality of the police candidates and it's

1699
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 2: come back with some things that I think we should

1700
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:16,520
Speaker 2: be reasonably concerned about. The First thing is that seventeen

1701
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 2: candidates failed the police fitness assessment, or actually eight of

1702
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 2: them failed. Nine of them passed individual bits of the test,

1703
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 2: but they didn't do it on the right dates, which

1704
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 2: I'm not terribly worried about. So let's just say eight

1705
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 2: of them failed the fittest test. Now, I still don't

1706
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 2: care about that. I don't care whether they're fat or

1707
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 2: first or whatever, because if the big fatties you just

1708
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,160
Speaker 2: chuck them behind the computer, they can just do that instead. Right,

1709
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 2: there's absolutely they may have amazing brains, and we don't

1710
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 2: want to let that go. However, one hundred and twenty

1711
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 2: eight of the recruits failed a basic English test and

1712
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 2: they still became coppers. Now that I think should be

1713
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 2: reasonably concerning to us, don't you think, Because I think

1714
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 2: most of us understand that there are just slight variations

1715
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 2: in the English language that mean a completely different thing,

1716
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 2: and you need to have a full grasp on what

1717
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 2: we're talking about. It's a very complicated language, right, And

1718
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:07,600
Speaker 2: if somebody's standing there with a notepadd and you go,

1719
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 2: you come running up and you say, oh, this is

1720
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 2: what the person looked like, and this is what they did,

1721
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 2: and this is my experience. You're taking the notes down

1722
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 2: for you know this, that stuff is gonna He's gonna

1723
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 2: turn up with a little little document in court isn't he,

1724
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 2: And he's gonna give his testimony based on what you said.

1725
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 2: And if you can't speak English properly, and if he's

1726
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 2: miss misquoted you, well, now we're in trouble because that

1727
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 2: case is gonna fall apart because you're just gonna look

1728
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 2: at it. Go well, obviously officer can't speak English. And

1729
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:32,799
Speaker 2: by the way, it's not a high level of English.

1730
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 2: It's not like we're asking them to do sort of

1731
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 2: like professorial English here. It's just level two in CEA English,

1732
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 2: which means they have to speak English like a sixteen

1733
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 2: or seventeen year old. And also bearing in mind it's

1734
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 2: in CEA, which means you can discount that and basically

1735
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 2: say English like a thirteen year old. So we're just

1736
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:52,680
Speaker 2: asking them to speak teenage English and they failed that.

1737
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 2: Now I would be worried about that. I think that

1738
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 2: is the one that they need to I suspect they're

1739
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:58,720
Speaker 2: gonna have to. I don't quite know what they're gonna

1740
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 2: do about it, but then they have to go and

1741
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 2: look at it, because don't care if the officer is fat,

1742
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:06,599
Speaker 2: don't care if the officer can't type, don't care if

1743
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 2: the officer is a tiny little woman who can't do much.

1744
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 2: But if the officer can't speak English, we're in some

1745
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 2: sort of trouble, aren't we. Anyway? Headlines next, and I'm

1746
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 2: going to tell you later on about all the jobs

1747
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:18,759
Speaker 2: that no longer exist in this country.

1748
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:24,759
Speaker 1: News talks be talking came to all this lan talking,

1749
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 1: crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's hither to

1750
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 1: the c Ellen with the business hour and mass insurance

1751
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:36,719
Speaker 1: and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future. News talks

1752
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 1: that'd be.

1753
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 2: You don't have to follow in your gun.

1754
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 19: Oh god, shudder.

1755
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 4: If you've got to borrow.

1756
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:48,639
Speaker 17: Then.

1757
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:53,680
Speaker 2: We're going to talk to the UK in about ten

1758
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 2: minutes time. Gavin Gray with us Brimworth has just out

1759
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 2: of itself as the carpet maker. It's going to be

1760
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:04,759
Speaker 2: making the wool carpet for cayeing order. Quite quite interesting

1761
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 2: that the are the ones doing it, because they are

1762
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 2: the ones who also remember they went on that big

1763
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 2: only wool thing for a while there and then not

1764
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:14,160
Speaker 2: really not long ago, they decided, wow, this is not

1765
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 2: working for us. Basically, wool is not where it's at.

1766
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 2: People want the synthetics, so they brought the synthetic cup

1767
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 2: it in, but they are also the ones who are

1768
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:22,599
Speaker 2: now going to be making the wolf coying at order.

1769
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:27,639
Speaker 2: So anyway, have you have you as Laura, Yeah, Laura's

1770
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 2: hate Brimworth, Laura's and as send an email in a minute.

1771
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 2: We might would love to chat to you on Monday

1772
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 2: if possible, about this fascinating twenty four away from seven.

1773
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 8: Together do for c L.

1774
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 2: Peter Lewis Asia Business corresponds with us, Hey Peter, Hello Heatherah.

1775
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 2: Is the deal done like Trump says it is?

1776
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 12: I don't think so. I think they're sort of dancing

1777
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:51,679
Speaker 12: around each other a little bit. These are two sides

1778
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 12: that are talking to each other in spite of each other,

1779
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 12: rather than trying to find the areas of common ground

1780
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 12: where they can work together, where they can find some

1781
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 12: areas of mutual benefit and both sides benefit and reap

1782
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 12: the rewards of that. It's not really feeling or sounding

1783
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 12: like that at all, and also, rather worryingly, the Chinese

1784
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 12: side has actually been very very quiet since they left London.

1785
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 12: Trump has said this is a done deal, and what

1786
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 12: is concerned about is these rarers, these earths. These are

1787
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 12: the metals that are used in things like semiconductors, defense

1788
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:33,959
Speaker 12: equipment absolutely essential for a whole range of electronic products.

1789
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 12: China really controls the global market in these and has

1790
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 12: put restrictions on them, and it's turned out that is

1791
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 12: quite a potent weapon for China to fight back against

1792
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 12: Donald Trump's tariffs. In return, he's put all sorts of

1793
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:53,320
Speaker 12: restrictions on exports of semiconductors to the United States, on

1794
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:58,799
Speaker 12: software that's used to design memory chips, on aircraft engine parts,

1795
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 12: and so on. He talks about the rare earths being

1796
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 12: allowed into the US, but he says nothing about the

1797
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:11,679
Speaker 12: other stuff that's on on their exports restriction list to China.

1798
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 12: And I can't imagine that President she would make a

1799
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 12: deal whereby he agrees to send rare earths back to

1800
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 12: the US but doesn't get in return restrictions lifted on

1801
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:25,600
Speaker 12: some of the things that he's concerned about. So we

1802
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 12: really need to see some more details on this trade deal,

1803
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 12: this so called trade deal, which we don't have at

1804
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:32,599
Speaker 12: the moment.

1805
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 2: If he's bluffing, why is he bluffing, because surely he's

1806
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:35,800
Speaker 2: going to get found out.

1807
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 12: Well you would think so. But you know, this is

1808
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 12: a very very strange negotiation both sides seem to think

1809
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 12: they've got the upper hand on each other. They actually

1810
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 12: both do have some areas where they can do damage

1811
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 12: to each other. But until we get the details about

1812
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:58,640
Speaker 12: what was actually said in this meeting in London, you

1813
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 12: sort of almost you could reinterpret what has happened, not

1814
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 12: in the Trump way, which is this was a great

1815
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 12: meeting and you know we've agreed to lift restrictions. This

1816
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 12: is rather we spent two days talking to each other

1817
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 12: and we couldn't agree at all. I mean, if you

1818
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 12: could agree, why do you need to go back to

1819
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 12: your respective presidents to get their approval? That rather suggests

1820
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 12: that things aren't greed at all, and this isn't the

1821
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 12: trade deal that is being made out to be.

1822
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1823
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 2: Interesting, Now, why does Europe reckon that the Chinese are

1824
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 2: dodging these taxes on plywood products? What's going on here?

1825
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 12: Well, that China's very good at evading tariffs and restrictions,

1826
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 12: whether it be through sending products through third party countries,

1827
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,880
Speaker 12: which it does with automobiles for example, sending them through

1828
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 12: Mexico and elsewhere. Another way in which it evades restrictions

1829
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 12: is by sort of disguising the product or changing it

1830
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:58,680
Speaker 12: in a slight way so that it gets reclassified and

1831
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 12: then doesn't attract whatever the restrictions or the tariffs are.

1832
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 12: And they're doing that with plywood. They're sort of putting

1833
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 12: a veneer on it and then reclassifying it as not

1834
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 12: being plywood. Well, plywood is a bit of a sensitive

1835
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:17,000
Speaker 12: issue in the EU. China once again dominates the market there.

1836
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 12: It has about a third of the markets and local

1837
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 12: companies aren't really getting a look in, so there are

1838
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 12: restrictions on exports of plywood. But they're really saying it's

1839
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:29,839
Speaker 12: not actually plywood anymore.

1840
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:33,720
Speaker 2: Fascinating, ah, I mean, can you imagine having to put

1841
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:35,559
Speaker 2: the veneer on it and then presumably do you take

1842
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 2: the veneer off at the other side?

1843
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:40,720
Speaker 12: Well, that you wonder, don't you how you do this?

1844
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 12: I mean, you know, I suppose yes they do, because

1845
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 12: you know, it's not plywood. Is it a veneer?

1846
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:49,040
Speaker 2: But then presumably so the cost of taking the putting

1847
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 2: the veneer on and taking the veneer off has to

1848
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 2: be less than the tariff.

1849
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 12: Well, the tariffs are quite high. I'm not sure the

1850
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 12: exact rat at the moment, but I think they're around

1851
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 12: thirty percent something like that, so you know, they're presumably

1852
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 12: that you know, it's still profitable for them to do this.

1853
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 12: But Chinese companies anyway often think not so much in

1854
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 12: terms of profitability but market share. How bigger market share

1855
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 12: can we have? And we see this with autos, for example,

1856
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 12: even in their own country, there's cut price competition which

1857
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 12: is sort of destroying their own markets, and they all

1858
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 12: keep going at each other just to gain market share,

1859
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 12: even though it's hugely unprofitable.

1860
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 2: Jeez, I thank you very much, really appreciated, Peter. That's

1861
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:33,680
Speaker 2: Peter Lewis out Asia Business correspondent ninety n do for

1862
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 2: see Allen. Okay. So, Infametrics has looked at the type

1863
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 2: of jobs that we used to have heaps of in

1864
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 2: the country that we're no longer doing. And these are

1865
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 2: basically jobs that and I'm talking about, you know, fifty

1866
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:45,840
Speaker 2: sixty years ago. I'm just talking about in the last

1867
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 2: twenty five years, just since the turn of the century.

1868
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,799
Speaker 2: The one of the jobs that we've seen the biggest

1869
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 2: decline and is service station attendance. There used to be heaps,

1870
01:28:57,560 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 2: like thousands of them. In the last twenty five years,

1871
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 2: seventy seven percent of them have disappeared. Five hundred and

1872
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:08,720
Speaker 2: fifty seven people have lost their job as service station attendants,

1873
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:13,960
Speaker 2: telephone betting clerks down eighty six percent. Now this is

1874
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 2: a much smaller group of people. It only represents the

1875
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 2: loss of about one hundred and fourteen people, but eighty

1876
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 2: six percent of them are gone. Footwear production, machine operation

1877
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 2: operators down eighty two percent, postal sorting offices down seventy

1878
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:31,080
Speaker 2: six percent, and mail clerks down seventy one percent. I

1879
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:33,440
Speaker 2: find that surprising because I didn't know that we automated

1880
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 2: this yet. I still thought that there were little dudes

1881
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:37,760
Speaker 2: standing in the back of the post office going to

1882
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 2: This one's going to nine I, This one's going to

1883
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 2: Lower Hut, This one's going to the city, this one's

1884
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:43,720
Speaker 2: going to CARRAI. Like, I thought that they were still

1885
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 2: putting in little holes. But apparently I'm assuming that that

1886
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 2: is now done by machines. In absolute terms, some of

1887
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 2: the biggest job losses are amongst people who call themselves secretaries,

1888
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:57,839
Speaker 2: general clerks, or sewing machinists. So the category that includes

1889
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 2: your personal assistant, your general sect, your legal secretary of

1890
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 2: General Clark, your data entry operator, your machine shorthand operator,

1891
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:08,599
Speaker 2: word processing operator. Total employment numbers have fallen by quite

1892
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 2: a lot, from ninety eight thousand, seven hundred sur rounded up,

1893
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 2: say ninety nine thousand, down to only forty two thousand.

1894
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:18,640
Speaker 2: But heaps of these people have just become something just

1895
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:22,560
Speaker 2: moved slightly sideways, and they've become contract administrators, program or

1896
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:27,120
Speaker 2: project administrators, office managers, health practice managers, practice managers. Generally,

1897
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:29,679
Speaker 2: that's gone from about twenty six thousand to about seventy

1898
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 2: five thousand. In the same period, it's basically same same

1899
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 2: numbers fifty thousand or thereabouts sewing machinists, footwear production machine operator,

1900
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 2: hide in skin processing machine operator, in kitting machine operator,

1901
01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 2: textile dying and finishing machine operator, weaving machine operator, yarn

1902
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:47,799
Speaker 2: carding and spinning machine operator, textile and footwear production machine operators.

1903
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 2: The employment there has fallen from fifteen thousand to only

1904
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 2: about five thousand, six hundred, and as you would imagine,

1905
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 2: in the manufacturing areas like the paper and pulp mill worker,

1906
01:30:57,400 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 2: the saw mill timber yard worker, the wood and wood

1907
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:03,759
Speaker 2: products factory worker, employment has fallen from six four hundred

1908
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 2: down to two thy nine hundred, and that's basically because

1909
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 2: we send all of our logs to China unprocessed, and

1910
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 2: then they do it over there. Of all of these jobs,

1911
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:15,400
Speaker 2: the one I missed the most is the petrol person,

1912
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 2: don't you. Don't you though, do we? Because you turn

1913
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 2: up and you go oh, and then do you know?

1914
01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:24,400
Speaker 2: And do you know? Is this not the most frustrating

1915
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:26,720
Speaker 2: thing when you get there and you realize that some

1916
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:29,880
Speaker 2: little shite has turned up there and run off with

1917
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty nine dollars worth of petrol too

1918
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 2: many times, so the cops haven't even bought. So these

1919
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 2: guys are now they've got they've got your number, haven't they.

1920
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:38,080
Speaker 2: So you turn up and you go, oh cool, okay,

1921
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 2: well you know I'm gonna di wiatt. So you go

1922
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:41,640
Speaker 2: get the bowser out and you stick it in a

1923
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 2: little hole and then you go, oh, I've got a prepay,

1924
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:47,360
Speaker 2: So then you put it and you sort of wave

1925
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:49,879
Speaker 2: at them like I think, because I drive a European

1926
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 2: car and I'm clearly a mum, I sort of wave

1927
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:54,559
Speaker 2: at them, you know, and I think they'll they'll judgment.

1928
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:56,680
Speaker 2: They'll go she's got money, she's got a European car

1929
01:31:56,760 --> 01:31:58,519
Speaker 2: and a baby, and she's not gonna run away with them,

1930
01:31:58,600 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 2: and I wave at them and they look at me

1931
01:31:59,880 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 2: like that, not even your mate. Ah, put it back

1932
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Speaker 2: in the thing, walk in, you go, mm, can I

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Speaker 2: fill it up? Please? Because then and then you've got

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Speaker 2: to and I don't even know what that and think

1935
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Speaker 2: you do? You leave your credit card. I don't even know.

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Speaker 2: All of the cars are empty at the moment. So anyway,

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01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 2: then you have to go back out. Then you have

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Speaker 2: to fill it up, and then you have to go

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Speaker 2: back and so now you're doing two trips in when

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01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:21,920
Speaker 2: all you wanted to do was one, and you've wasted

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Speaker 2: time putting the bowser in and out multiple times, waiting

1942
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Speaker 2: and waving at them and stuff. What you've just got

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Speaker 2: to do is simply just understand the situation when you

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Speaker 2: get there. Because the dude is not there anymore. He

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01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 2: does not work there. It cannot help. He's not going

1946
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Speaker 2: to clean your window for you anymore. You just got

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Speaker 2: to arrive, walk straight in with purpose, give them the card,

1948
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Speaker 2: walk out, fill it up, go back, and just cut

1949
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Speaker 2: cut the journey short, right. That's how you have to

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Speaker 2: do it. And that is why I missed my little

1951
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Speaker 2: man with the petrol thing.

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Speaker 11: Quarter two.

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Speaker 6: Maybe you need an nev hither.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro microbe or just playing economics. It's all

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01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:55,599
Speaker 1: on the business hours with Heather Duplicy Ellen and mas

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Speaker 1: insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future.

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Speaker 2: You tell Kevin Gray out of the UK with us down.

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Speaker 2: Hey Kevin, Hi, have they not found the black box yet?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 8: No.

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Speaker 23: The wreckage from that Air India plane that crashed at

1962
01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:18,720
Speaker 23: Amedabad is really very very widespread, and so consequently I

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Speaker 23: think this is going to be quite a long hunt

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Speaker 23: actually for the black box. There is a UK team

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Speaker 23: that's on its way to India in order to help

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Speaker 23: with the investigation, along with US counterparts as well. But

1967
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:33,920
Speaker 23: it does look as though there are going to be

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Speaker 23: dead on the ground as well, in other words, people

1969
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Speaker 23: that weren't in the aircraft, who were on the ground,

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Speaker 23: who might have been caught up by the wreckage.

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Speaker 11: It's really scorched a huge area across and we.

1972
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Speaker 23: Know that all but one of the people on the plane,

1973
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Speaker 23: So two hundred and forty one people have died. Amazingly

1974
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Speaker 23: still one Briton survived in seat eleven.

1975
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Speaker 11: A and nobody knows how he managed.

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Speaker 23: I mean not just did he survive, he walked away

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Speaker 23: from it, and when you see the debris you wonder

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Speaker 23: how that was possible.

1979
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Speaker 11: But the hunt of the black box so important.

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Speaker 23: With three different theories coming forward from little bits of

1981
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Speaker 23: video that you can see before the plane crashes.

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Speaker 11: But anything at the moment is sheer speculation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. I'm telling about these guys. These

1984
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Speaker 2: two fringe antiques experts have been convicted.

1985
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Speaker 23: Yeah, very interesting story, this which really did rock the

1986
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Speaker 23: antiques world actually in France. So the pair have been

1987
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:33,240
Speaker 23: given four months in prison and longer suspended sentences for

1988
01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:38,679
Speaker 23: selling fake eighteenth century chairs to collectors including the Palace

1989
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Speaker 23: of Versai and a member of the Katari royal family.

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Speaker 23: In other words, these chairs went for a lot of money.

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Speaker 23: Now the pair were also fined extensively, so they're going

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Speaker 23: to be fined roughly sort of five hundred thousand New

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Speaker 23: Zealand dollars as well, which one of them described as

1994
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Speaker 23: a little hefty, a little harsh finance. But there are

1995
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Speaker 23: plenty in the antiques world who are furious with this pair.

1996
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Speaker 23: Basically they were quite high up in the antiques world

1997
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Speaker 23: in France. They found out items that had gone missing

1998
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Speaker 23: and that were in documents from the time of Mary

1999
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Speaker 23: Antoinette and other leaders in France and then basically made

2000
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:24,559
Speaker 23: the chairs to order, making them look old. So one

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Speaker 23: of them was the sort of hands of the operation.

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Speaker 23: The other was the head of the operation, as it

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01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:33,599
Speaker 23: was described in court, and it thought the Katari royal family.

2004
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Speaker 23: Prince Muhammed bin Hamad Altani bought two chairs said to

2005
01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:41,599
Speaker 23: belong to Marry Antoinette, they didn't, and he bought them

2006
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Speaker 23: for nearly four million New Zealand dollars. There's a lot

2007
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Speaker 23: of money in this and that's why it rocked the

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Speaker 23: French world of antiques so much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, jeez, And it takes quite a lot of skill

2010
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Speaker 2: to be able to do that. Hey, thank you very much. Yeah,

2011
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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Kevin Gray, UK, corresponding, did you realize

2012
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Speaker 2: the guy who's running here India by the way, is

2013
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 2: a Kiwi. His name is Campbell. Wilson's from christ Church,

2014
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:05,519
Speaker 2: grew up in Sumner, went to Shirley Boys High. I

2015
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:07,960
Speaker 2: went to the University of Canterbury. I did a Master

2016
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:11,280
Speaker 2: of Commerce and then graduated in nine to ninety five

2017
01:36:12,439 --> 01:36:14,720
Speaker 2: and then he worked for Singapore Airlines for twenty six years.

2018
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:18,040
Speaker 2: Singapore Airlines Singapore Alanes has a reasonable stake I think

2019
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 2: in Air India and then worked his way through various

2020
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:23,400
Speaker 2: senior roles. He founded Scoot, which is a low cost

2021
01:36:23,479 --> 01:36:27,000
Speaker 2: subsidiary airline, and he has been with Air India based

2022
01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 2: in New Delhi for around about the last three years.

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Speaker 2: Eight Away from.

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Speaker 1: Seven, It's the Heather Tioper c Allen Drive Full Show

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Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk zeb.

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Speaker 2: Heather, you could move to the South Island because we're

2027
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:43,000
Speaker 2: much more honest and we're allowed to pump gas before paying,

2028
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:45,000
Speaker 2: are you?

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Speaker 9: Do?

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01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:46,120
Speaker 4: You know what?

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Speaker 2: The longer that the older I get, the more the

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01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:51,360
Speaker 2: more I realize that there are two completely different New

2033
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:53,920
Speaker 2: Zealands and the South Island and the North Island, and

2034
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 2: nothing like each other. I mean we've got the same accent. Well,

2035
01:36:56,840 --> 01:36:58,880
Speaker 2: I mean there's Gore, so we don't even have the

2036
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 2: same accent some of the time, do we? And then

2037
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:06,240
Speaker 2: it's completely different demographics and just completely different vibe. It

2038
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:09,640
Speaker 2: is a different vibe in the South Island and increasingly

2039
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 2: increasingly there are many reasons why you may want to

2040
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:15,160
Speaker 2: move to the South Island, aren't there Hither I thought

2041
01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:18,000
Speaker 2: you were driving a byd youte. Steve thank you for asking. Look,

2042
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:19,960
Speaker 2: let me tell you about the kafavel of my life

2043
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:21,519
Speaker 2: at the moment. I've got three cars on the go,

2044
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:23,720
Speaker 2: all at one at the same time right now. It's

2045
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 2: incredibly frustrating. I have to rotate which car I'm taking,

2046
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:30,479
Speaker 2: and I have to keep a very close eye on

2047
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:32,680
Speaker 2: the battery life of each to try to keep them

2048
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:34,639
Speaker 2: all going at the same time. As if I don't

2049
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:36,760
Speaker 2: have enough going on being a mother of two very

2050
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:39,720
Speaker 2: small children, working a full time job and responsible for

2051
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:43,200
Speaker 2: literally everything in the house, managing the pool, managing this bar,

2052
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:46,760
Speaker 2: managing everything, I have to keep these three cars going.

2053
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:49,320
Speaker 2: Because what happened is we've got our car. Then we've

2054
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:52,040
Speaker 2: got the BYD that we're driving, which I'm not ungrateful for.

2055
01:37:52,200 --> 01:37:54,680
Speaker 2: That is a fantastic car to drive. But then I've

2056
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:57,400
Speaker 2: also unfortunately had to bring the Jeep. It's a twenty

2057
01:37:57,479 --> 01:37:59,519
Speaker 2: year old Jeep which lives at the beach, and the

2058
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:01,519
Speaker 2: mechanic at the beach said, if you keep leaving it

2059
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:05,160
Speaker 2: here every winter on the trickle feed thing for the battery,

2060
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 2: you are going to kill it because you're not driving enough.

2061
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:09,040
Speaker 2: So now I have to bring it here for the winter.

2062
01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:11,280
Speaker 2: For the winter to Auckland. Then they have to drive

2063
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:13,000
Speaker 2: every single one of them. And the jeep's battery got

2064
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:15,000
Speaker 2: a bit funny the other day, so now I'm having

2065
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:17,280
Speaker 2: to drive it. And also it's the soft tops, and

2066
01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:19,080
Speaker 2: now the rain's got in, so now I'm having to

2067
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 2: try and dry it through. And it's like forecast of

2068
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:23,560
Speaker 2: rain for the next two weeks, so I'm having to

2069
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 2: try and drive that and dry it. It's under here,

2070
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:29,320
Speaker 2: under ends in meat wine, the windows down, hope it

2071
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:32,400
Speaker 2: will dry out. It's honestly, my life sucks, it really does.

2072
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:34,760
Speaker 2: And then the other one, the land drover, doesn't matter

2073
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:36,240
Speaker 2: how much you drive it, that battery doesn't want to

2074
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:38,040
Speaker 2: get back to normal. So every time I turn it off,

2075
01:38:38,040 --> 01:38:40,760
Speaker 2: the just complete dark inside the car. It's very hard.

2076
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:43,599
Speaker 2: It's very, very difficult. Thank god for the BYD Shark

2077
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:46,160
Speaker 2: because at least that thing is running okay and well.

2078
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:47,360
Speaker 6: And at least you'll be able to cool off in

2079
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:48,880
Speaker 6: the pull in the spa once those are sorted.

2080
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:50,760
Speaker 2: As sign I know, because I'm so stressed out, I

2081
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:53,040
Speaker 2: have to go into a complete cold plunge and then

2082
01:38:53,439 --> 01:38:54,360
Speaker 2: relax my muscles.

2083
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:56,960
Speaker 6: That's terrible, why you need them. End of an error

2084
01:38:57,040 --> 01:38:58,880
Speaker 6: by Dual Leap at a players out tonight. As you

2085
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:01,040
Speaker 6: mentioned earlier in the show, to a Lipa and Kellum

2086
01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:05,679
Speaker 6: Turner appear to be engaged. Apparently the ring was custom made.

2087
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 6: Callum had a word to her sister and her best

2088
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:10,160
Speaker 6: friends to find out what kind of rings she wanted

2089
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:12,920
Speaker 6: and had it done up. They've been dating since January

2090
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:16,640
Speaker 6: twenty twenty four, so you're getting engaged about what a

2091
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:18,120
Speaker 6: year and a half into the relationship.

2092
01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:20,200
Speaker 2: There you go, Hey, that's not bad. That's not bad.

2093
01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:22,960
Speaker 6: Yeah in Hollywood's that's positively century, isn't it.

2094
01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. She seems like a really nice girl.

2095
01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:27,280
Speaker 6: A she really I think you're right before that thing

2096
01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:29,120
Speaker 6: she said about the cause it's very intelligent. It seems

2097
01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:29,799
Speaker 6: like very intelligent.

2098
01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:32,080
Speaker 2: She's not the kind you know, she's just not one

2099
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:34,240
Speaker 2: of those ones who's gonna, you know, drink too much

2100
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:35,439
Speaker 2: and party too much and stuff.

2101
01:39:35,439 --> 01:39:37,559
Speaker 6: She seems don't make us a liar, do alepa, don't

2102
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:38,720
Speaker 6: make us a Liar's.

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01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:42,200
Speaker 2: Keep us proud of you, girl, Okay, listen, enjoy your weekend,

2104
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:45,800
Speaker 2: Go go the blues tonight just because geographically whatever, and

2105
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:47,880
Speaker 2: we'll see you on Monday. News Talks AB.

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01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:07,400
Speaker 7: In the car she goes part of class.

2107
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:17,320
Speaker 8: Nothing leaves the clubs the briscombes of pretty eyes and nothing.

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01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:20,559
Speaker 2: Nothing leaves the club.

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