1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Now the issue of aging populations is becoming more and 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: more of a focus for investors because get this, I 3 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: mean this is massive. 4 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 2: Right. 5 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Globally the number of people aged over sixty is going 6 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: to double and those over eighty is going to triple 7 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: just in the next twenty six years, and of course 8 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: the implications for our eye sight is massive. Debora Lamby 9 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: from mil Fanact Management is with us. 10 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 2: Now, Hey, Deborah evening, how are you? 11 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: I'm well? Thank you. Now, vision care is becoming more critical, right, 12 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: not just for individuals but investors as well. What's going 13 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: on here? 14 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: So right now, globally around one and three people are 15 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 2: myopical short sighted, but by twenty fifty that number will 16 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 2: jump to nearly one and two, so every second person 17 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 2: will be either myopic or short sighted. And there's a 18 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: couple of factors behind this. So firstly, aging populations, which 19 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 2: you've already mentioned. As we get older, our eyes naturally 20 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: change and people are more likely to need corrective lenses, 21 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: whether that's glasses or contact lenses. And then secondly, increasing 22 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: screen time. So have you ever wondered how much our 23 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: daily screen habits are picked our eye sight. We are 24 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: now nearly a decade on from the launch of the 25 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: iPhone four, which is widely thought to have mean the 26 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: mass driver of mass smartphone adoption, with the whole world 27 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: now moving towards increased screen time, and so it's become 28 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: pretty clear that prolonged screen time is not good for 29 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 2: your vision over the long term. 30 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: So if you're looking at it from an investment perspective, 31 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: in this particular part of the market, who are the 32 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: main players? 33 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, So the global contact lens market, it's around sixteen 34 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 2: billion dollars in size, and there's three big players that 35 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,559 Speaker 2: control ninety percent of that market. So there's a Swiss 36 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: company called Alcon, along with US companies Johnson and Johnson, 37 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 2: which you probably know from products like band aids, Johnson 38 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: baby products, and Listerines. And then there's autho US company 39 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: called Cooper Vision. And historically the market has grown around 40 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: five percent a year, but over the past few years, 41 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: with those factors that we've talked about, growth has been 42 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,919 Speaker 2: accelerating to just under ten percent a year. Now. 43 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: I've been hearing that what's going on is that there 44 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: are people who previously might have used like monthly contact 45 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: lenses now using daily contact lenses. I imagine that's that's 46 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: having an impact on the market, is it. 47 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: That's a great point. We are witnessing a major shift 48 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: there as well. So people are moving from, as you've said, 49 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 2: monthly or biweekly lenses, which lasts for two to four weeks, 50 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: to daily disposable lenses, which are worn for just once 51 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 2: a day. And daily lenses they offer they're more convenient 52 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: and comfortable, lower risk of infections, and also thanks to 53 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 2: manufacturing advancements, they're also becoming more affordable. So this shift 54 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: is led to a dramatic increase and the volume of 55 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 2: lenses being used worldwide. So if you're using monthly lenses, 56 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 2: you need twenty four lenses a year, so one per 57 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 2: I per month. But with the daily lenses, you need 58 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: around seven hundred lenses per year, so that's nearly thirty 59 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 2: times more. 60 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's massive. That's a huge jump in demand, right, 61 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: So can companies actually keep up with this increase? 62 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: So in short, not yet. Demand for these products has 63 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: been stronger than what the companies can actually produce, and 64 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 2: all of the main players have been investing a lot 65 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 2: over the past few years to build out capacity, but 66 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 2: they are still selling lenses faster than they can make them, 67 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 2: so it takes time for new factory lines to come online, 68 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: and dynamic is expected to continue for a number of years. 69 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 2: And one of the benefits for companies is that operating 70 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: in a simply constrained environment has allowed them to maintain 71 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 2: strong prices for their lenses, which has been good for 72 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 2: industry growth. 73 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: So how have the shares of these companies performed then, Yeah. 74 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: These companies have been pretty solid performers, especially given they 75 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 2: operate in a more defensive part of the market. So 76 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: so far just this year, our con shares are up 77 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 2: around twenty five percent, Cooper shares are up around fifteen percent, 78 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: shares in Johnson and Johnson A up around seven percent, 79 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 2: but that's more diversified, with Visioncare only making up around 80 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 2: five percent of their total revenue. So given the aging populations, 81 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: increasing screen time, and the shift to daily contact lenses, 82 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: the contact lens market is really in a period of 83 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 2: transformation and it's the space that invests are becoming interestingly 84 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 2: increasingly interested. 85 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: In fascinating stuff. Debraah, thanks for chatting us through. There's 86 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: Debra Lambia of Milford Asset Management. 87 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive listen live to 88 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 2: news talks that'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 89 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio