WEBVTT - Max Whitehead: It's time to brush up your CV 0:00:05.761 --> 0:00:09.641 You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks ed. 0:00:09.641 --> 0:00:13.321 B and welcome back to news Talk, said B. I'm 0:00:13.361 --> 0:00:15.441 Tim Bevers. This is the Weekend Collected by the way, 0:00:15.481 --> 0:00:17.441 if you missed it, We've had a couple of stonken 0:00:17.521 --> 0:00:19.601 hours of a broadcast and were gon't say so myself. 0:00:19.641 --> 0:00:22.521 The politics. We had a chat with Chris Hipkins around 0:00:23.041 --> 0:00:25.201 just what they're going to be doing looking at to 0:00:25.321 --> 0:00:27.841 get back comparing the whole capital gains tax sort of thing. 0:00:28.001 --> 0:00:34.321 And also with the mayor of Central Hawk's Bay, Alex Walker, 0:00:34.641 --> 0:00:36.881 about the Mari Wards and all that sort of thing. 0:00:36.921 --> 0:00:39.681 So that was a fun hour for talkback on the 0:00:39.681 --> 0:00:43.001 Politics hour and for interviews, should I say, and also 0:00:43.161 --> 0:00:45.761 just gone now as the Health Hub with doctor John Campill, 0:00:45.761 --> 0:00:47.841 which is great fun. And the fun continues of course 0:00:48.361 --> 0:00:51.921 because this is smart Money and joining us in the studio. 0:00:52.521 --> 0:00:55.161 I used to have long introductions written for my guess, 0:00:55.161 --> 0:00:56.681 but then you sort of get to know him, don't 0:00:56.681 --> 0:00:59.161 you when the audience get to know him. So I 0:00:59.281 --> 0:01:01.601 just said coming up to Max. I should have said 0:01:01.641 --> 0:01:03.961 coming up as Max Whitehead the last hour, I just 0:01:04.001 --> 0:01:06.961 said coming up as actually because I thought for a 0:01:07.001 --> 0:01:09.721 second it is white Head not white House? Who was 0:01:09.721 --> 0:01:10.721 the morals campaigner? 0:01:10.881 --> 0:01:12.681 You've always had trouble with that. It's some guy and 0:01:12.761 --> 0:01:15.001 Wong and you he wasn't it? You politician used to 0:01:15.041 --> 0:01:18.041 get confused with too. Maks Bradford used to call me. 0:01:18.441 --> 0:01:21.321 Oh that's oh gosh, you've got a He was like, 0:01:21.441 --> 0:01:22.001 keep a grudge. 0:01:22.041 --> 0:01:22.121 Now. 0:01:22.161 --> 0:01:24.321 I think where was he? The MP for Tataware or something? 0:01:24.361 --> 0:01:26.361 I think Max Breckfeeling it was your MP. 0:01:26.521 --> 0:01:27.321 I think wasn't it. 0:01:27.681 --> 0:01:29.841 Somewhere near right to Earl when I was there? Yeah? Anyway, 0:01:30.041 --> 0:01:31.401 I am very very good. 0:01:31.441 --> 0:01:33.881 I've been listening to your last hour. That was really good. 0:01:34.001 --> 0:01:36.601 A lot of politics Phil spilled over into that area too, 0:01:36.921 --> 0:01:38.801 But I thought you and John Reddy were pumping it. 0:01:38.841 --> 0:01:41.441 And there I heard I heard my call come out 0:01:41.441 --> 0:01:41.761 of there? 0:01:42.001 --> 0:01:44.001 What what was that? 0:01:44.081 --> 0:01:46.721 The question was one of the newers come in saying 0:01:46.721 --> 0:01:47.921 why why medical? You know? 0:01:48.001 --> 0:01:51.001 Oh yeah, actually that's right. Yeah. So this person was saying, 0:01:51.001 --> 0:01:52.801 why do I have to get a medical stuff every 0:01:52.841 --> 0:01:55.041 time I'm seck et cetera. And I thought we should 0:01:55.121 --> 0:01:56.681 throw that to you. Why not you here? You're an 0:01:56.681 --> 0:01:59.881 employment consultant the white Head group. I eight hundred something. 0:02:01.561 --> 0:02:04.761 Did you hear that, folks? I eight hundred something? Actually 0:02:05.041 --> 0:02:07.641 twenty four seven ninety three ninety three. That's that easy. 0:02:07.881 --> 0:02:10.761 Actually would be funny. I wonder what the alpha numerics 0:02:10.801 --> 0:02:12.881 Thatt have corid for something else started to just say, 0:02:12.881 --> 0:02:14.441 literally eight hundred something. 0:02:14.561 --> 0:02:18.081 Now makes your questions? Is this? What was it? Big timer? Oh? 0:02:18.161 --> 0:02:19.401 Yeah, no, it was the medical stuff. 0:02:19.601 --> 0:02:20.001 You got it. 0:02:20.361 --> 0:02:22.801 So the question was bored in is why do I 0:02:22.801 --> 0:02:25.361 have to get one every time? It's expensive? Blah blah blah, 0:02:25.361 --> 0:02:27.401 And obviously his employer doesn't trust him. 0:02:27.441 --> 0:02:29.881 And I thought John answered it quite well. The reality is, 0:02:29.881 --> 0:02:32.441 because there's some people over there put a lot of 0:02:32.481 --> 0:02:34.881 bers into it, they're not really sick, and so the 0:02:34.881 --> 0:02:37.961 employers have a right in law to say, give me 0:02:38.001 --> 0:02:40.881 some legitimate proof you're sick. But what's happened? 0:02:40.921 --> 0:02:44.361 Actually, okay, quickly, just while I got that thought, legitimate proof, 0:02:44.841 --> 0:02:47.601 if you sent them a bucket that showed you'd been sick, 0:02:47.641 --> 0:02:51.481 would that be enough. Here's here's something I produced five 0:02:51.521 --> 0:02:56.001 minutes ago. Here's the I mean, there's some evidence. 0:02:56.041 --> 0:02:58.841 Ah no, a bucket full of spew going that. Goodness 0:02:58.961 --> 0:03:02.561 me that it could be anybody that legal producers got 0:03:02.601 --> 0:03:04.441 a little kiddy. It could be ill. Then that could 0:03:04.441 --> 0:03:06.721 be that Dad could use it for going off, for 0:03:06.801 --> 0:03:08.721 getting a couple of days off ill of work. 0:03:09.201 --> 0:03:14.641 Don't give our ideas, by the way, he actually, but seriously, 0:03:15.521 --> 0:03:18.161 is it a question of trust that really if your employers, 0:03:18.361 --> 0:03:20.641 I mean there'd be some really large organizations or just 0:03:20.641 --> 0:03:23.521 have a blanket policy, which if you are working on 0:03:23.641 --> 0:03:26.121 minimum wage or you're a sort of you know, not 0:03:26.481 --> 0:03:28.921 anything less than thirty bucks an hour or something, you 0:03:29.001 --> 0:03:31.241 might feel, oh gosh, that's ridiculous. So I have to 0:03:31.281 --> 0:03:33.481 I'm going to take a day off work. But they 0:03:33.481 --> 0:03:36.601 don't trust me. What do we know about the general 0:03:36.601 --> 0:03:37.721 practice around that sort of thing? 0:03:37.761 --> 0:03:41.481 Because employers have nothing nothing, They can't they can't challenge 0:03:41.521 --> 0:03:44.001 you and say, hang on you, we're not sick, because 0:03:44.001 --> 0:03:46.321 they're not doctors, and so they must put them to 0:03:46.321 --> 0:03:48.841 the doctor. But the problems of doctors, it's just what John, 0:03:49.161 --> 0:03:51.881 your doctor, John said to you, is that the doctors 0:03:51.921 --> 0:03:54.121 have to look at someone who's well and then writers 0:03:54.121 --> 0:03:56.681 a certificate to say they're unwill And that's where it 0:03:56.761 --> 0:03:59.361 just sits uncomfortable. Most doctors just sign them off. 0:03:59.441 --> 0:04:01.081 What are most employers? 0:04:01.841 --> 0:04:04.641 Employers do actually we're not very happy of doctors. I 0:04:04.641 --> 0:04:07.521 can tell you, Oh really, why well they just sign anything. 0:04:08.001 --> 0:04:10.041 Oh so the rat bags who are having a go 0:04:10.441 --> 0:04:12.241 what about the doctor and the doctor signs it off? 0:04:12.321 --> 0:04:15.921 What about? I mean, but do most employers insist on 0:04:15.961 --> 0:04:19.881 a medical certificate for everyone from day one? Because I mean, 0:04:20.281 --> 0:04:22.801 I would think that if you are a good employee 0:04:22.841 --> 0:04:24.681 with a good employment record, you call up, you say 0:04:24.721 --> 0:04:28.561 you're sick, I wouldn't think much of your employer if 0:04:28.561 --> 0:04:30.481 they were like, well, give me your medical still it 0:04:30.521 --> 0:04:32.921 when you've worked for a year or so without a SICKI. 0:04:32.841 --> 0:04:35.121 Gets better than that term. Some people do five years, 0:04:35.161 --> 0:04:37.001 not one sick day. Then they have a sick day 0:04:37.281 --> 0:04:40.001 and the employer will go, you can take two days 0:04:40.041 --> 0:04:41.881 in and it's not a problem because you've been so 0:04:42.041 --> 0:04:44.681 loyal and good to us, no worries. So yeah, there 0:04:44.721 --> 0:04:47.281 is some good employers out there that will recognize that, 0:04:47.361 --> 0:04:49.001 and I would say majority of them. 0:04:49.041 --> 0:04:51.481 But legally, if they want to, if they if they've 0:04:51.481 --> 0:04:53.641 got a massive workforce and they don't trust any of you, 0:04:53.761 --> 0:04:56.161 they can say you want to be you want to 0:04:56.161 --> 0:04:59.281 take a day off, we need that medical certificate. Otherwise 0:04:59.281 --> 0:05:00.281 you're not getting paid. 0:05:00.081 --> 0:05:02.441 You got it. Otherwise they've got no rights to actually 0:05:02.521 --> 0:05:05.441 challenge in an individual at all that they're actually well. 0:05:05.561 --> 0:05:08.441 What would they do if you didn't provide that? Would 0:05:08.441 --> 0:05:10.961 they just say, well, you've just taken a day of 0:05:11.081 --> 0:05:13.881 leave or something, or day or day without party? What 0:05:13.881 --> 0:05:14.241 do they do? 0:05:14.441 --> 0:05:16.961 Well, it's very very difficult for an employee to say 0:05:17.001 --> 0:05:19.641 you were actually well unless they've got evidence of them 0:05:20.241 --> 0:05:24.161 and there has been this racism, had their photo taken 0:05:24.241 --> 0:05:25.001 or something like that. 0:05:25.041 --> 0:05:26.721 Well, obviously the rule would be if you have to 0:05:26.761 --> 0:05:28.841 provide a medical stiff at them. What happens if you don't? 0:05:29.121 --> 0:05:30.041 So what do they do? 0:05:30.601 --> 0:05:32.721 Well, it's very little they can do. So they can 0:05:32.881 --> 0:05:35.521 challenge the employee and go and look what is actually 0:05:35.521 --> 0:05:37.881 wrong with you? And that's what they're encouraged to do. Yeah, 0:05:37.921 --> 0:05:39.681 I know in a freezing works where I was working 0:05:39.721 --> 0:05:41.881 there in the department, that's what where you got the 0:05:41.921 --> 0:05:44.441 people to do. So if anyone had a funny day 0:05:44.481 --> 0:05:47.641 off like Friday or Monday morning, then you'd get them 0:05:47.681 --> 0:05:50.481 in and saying are you all right? Is there anything 0:05:50.481 --> 0:05:52.321 we can do to give you support? Is there any 0:05:52.361 --> 0:05:55.161 illness there that perhaps maybe you're going to pass it 0:05:55.201 --> 0:05:58.001 on to the workmates or anything, and just hang on. 0:05:58.481 --> 0:06:00.481 That's throwing it's on our heads for me because you 0:06:00.561 --> 0:06:03.161 say that they can ask for a medical certificate, but 0:06:03.161 --> 0:06:05.481 if you don't provide one, it sounds like it's not 0:06:05.561 --> 0:06:09.401 open and shut for the employer to say I'm not paying. Okay, 0:06:09.441 --> 0:06:12.241 so they can ask for a medical stufficate, but it 0:06:12.241 --> 0:06:13.801 doesn't sound like there's a lot backing that up. 0:06:14.321 --> 0:06:17.001 Yeah. No, there's not a lot really backing it up. 0:06:17.041 --> 0:06:19.481 But that is a last resort and employer has entitled 0:06:19.521 --> 0:06:21.481 for it, and if you don't provide it, they can 0:06:21.521 --> 0:06:23.641 discipline you for not giving the medical certificate. 0:06:23.801 --> 0:06:27.241 Oh okay, what discipline might might they be a warning? 0:06:27.361 --> 0:06:30.761 Probably? Okay, it's the worst discipline you could possibly. 0:06:30.521 --> 0:06:32.001 Get, unleas it's sex for the best or something. 0:06:32.001 --> 0:06:33.881 At least it's happened over a whole string of times. 0:06:33.921 --> 0:06:35.681 And then they go right, O, well that's a dismissal. 0:06:36.201 --> 0:06:40.281 Okay, so they can't actually, so they can't. Okay, that's good. 0:06:40.321 --> 0:06:41.721 I was just trying to get to the remedies. So 0:06:42.041 --> 0:06:44.321 they can ask for medical stiff get they're entitled to ask. Fine, 0:06:44.321 --> 0:06:45.881 if you don't provide one, you might get a warning. 0:06:45.881 --> 0:06:47.601 Then you get another warning. But they can't actually just 0:06:47.681 --> 0:06:49.881 dock your pay or take a day take a day 0:06:49.921 --> 0:06:50.601 off your leave. 0:06:50.761 --> 0:06:54.001 Not not just like that. They've got to have genuine 0:06:54.041 --> 0:06:55.841 proof that you're unwell. Now, look, I tell you the 0:06:55.841 --> 0:06:59.681 circumstances are coming up now. So a person's been seen 0:06:59.721 --> 0:07:01.681 at the airport flying in and he's just had a 0:07:01.681 --> 0:07:04.081 week off ill. And so the employee said, you're not 0:07:04.161 --> 0:07:07.161 getting sick paid because that you have not been genuinelyly 0:07:07.161 --> 0:07:10.081 you've been on holiday. And so the guy actually went 0:07:10.121 --> 0:07:11.881 and took it to the court and won it because 0:07:12.121 --> 0:07:13.881 he said the holiday was very good for my illness, 0:07:13.881 --> 0:07:16.401 so I took a time off. They've been seen on 0:07:16.441 --> 0:07:20.521 fishing boats fishing for the day and their workers come 0:07:20.561 --> 0:07:22.801 back and said, well, actually it was therapeutic for me 0:07:22.841 --> 0:07:26.681 to go fishing. I needed that time. That's bloody well, 0:07:26.761 --> 0:07:28.801 you get this mental illness. Now people seem to think 0:07:28.881 --> 0:07:30.841 they got a right to have a day off. 0:07:31.281 --> 0:07:33.401 Well, that's it does raise the interesting question is what 0:07:33.601 --> 0:07:36.121 is a legitimate activity you can do while you are 0:07:36.201 --> 0:07:39.721 officially sick. So if you happen to go down to 0:07:39.721 --> 0:07:43.401 your local cafe for a slap up binge of missus 0:07:43.401 --> 0:07:44.281 Meghan's Pie Shop. 0:07:44.761 --> 0:07:47.241 Missus Meggans is the reference to. 0:07:47.161 --> 0:07:50.121 Blackadder, So you could do that and say, look, I 0:07:50.241 --> 0:07:51.921 was sick, but yeah, I just wanted to have some 0:07:52.001 --> 0:07:54.241 hearty food at my favorite cafe to make myself feel 0:07:54.281 --> 0:07:59.441 better and back off. Yep, what about I decided to go? 0:07:59.841 --> 0:08:01.801 Of course, you know, if it's if it doesn't fit 0:08:01.881 --> 0:08:04.681 the remedy that you're putting to it, let's getting a 0:08:04.681 --> 0:08:07.281 little ridiculous. And I think the employee could challenge you 0:08:07.361 --> 0:08:07.561 on that. 0:08:08.801 --> 0:08:11.041 Can you because you can take time off of stress? 0:08:11.081 --> 0:08:14.121 I guess can you? Can you take sakifa? Well not, 0:08:14.281 --> 0:08:14.721 I don't know. 0:08:15.361 --> 0:08:17.601 It's people think out there and now I listen, folks 0:08:17.601 --> 0:08:19.601 in now here, you don't have the rights to take 0:08:19.641 --> 0:08:22.721 time off of stress. Leave. It's not automatic. If you 0:08:22.761 --> 0:08:24.761 go to your doctor and the doctor says, my goodness, 0:08:24.761 --> 0:08:27.481 you do need that time off, then yeah you can, 0:08:28.201 --> 0:08:29.361 and a lot of doctors will. 0:08:29.441 --> 0:08:31.641 But then suddenly Garret flying to the Gold Coast might 0:08:31.681 --> 0:08:34.361 see as eroding that trust. 0:08:34.441 --> 0:08:35.081 Well wouldn't it be. 0:08:35.601 --> 0:08:38.881 I mean, if seriously, if you're stressed, and let's let's 0:08:38.881 --> 0:08:41.601 not say Gold Coast, let's not encourage any more. Australian tourism. 0:08:41.721 --> 0:08:44.921 Let's say you decide to fly down to Queenstown and 0:08:45.321 --> 0:08:46.961 somebody sees you down there and said, yeah, I've been 0:08:46.961 --> 0:08:49.161 really stressed and I went down to stay with some 0:08:49.201 --> 0:08:53.081 friends or because I need some time out. That's legitile. 0:08:53.121 --> 0:08:55.441 Actually that to me, I can convince myself that, well. 0:08:55.521 --> 0:08:57.681 I'm always I used to get very very stressed. I 0:08:57.681 --> 0:08:59.521 don't do it so much now on a Monday morning 0:08:59.881 --> 0:09:03.641 after a big, long, long, long, long weekend, and then 0:09:03.761 --> 0:09:05.801 my heart would be pumping far to the normal because 0:09:05.841 --> 0:09:08.121 it's probably full of alcohol from the whole weekend trying 0:09:08.121 --> 0:09:10.321 to get over it. I've got a thumping headache. I'm 0:09:10.361 --> 0:09:12.841 not very happy and I'm stressed. 0:09:13.281 --> 0:09:15.161 Is this Max talking or just to your imagining a 0:09:15.161 --> 0:09:16.521 particular scenario. 0:09:16.361 --> 0:09:17.321 Max when he was younger? 0:09:17.441 --> 0:09:18.921 Oh right, really, I've lived. 0:09:18.921 --> 0:09:20.521 I've lived. Yes, good on you. 0:09:20.921 --> 0:09:22.641 Hey, you can give us a call of if you'd 0:09:22.641 --> 0:09:24.561 like to pick Max's brain about that. It was a 0:09:24.601 --> 0:09:27.401 bit of a hijack of the topic because it came 0:09:27.481 --> 0:09:29.601 up in our medical hour with doctor John Cameron, just 0:09:29.641 --> 0:09:32.001 about medical stificates, and I thought, you know, we got you. 0:09:33.041 --> 0:09:36.441 It's a good one now because we're going to get 0:09:36.481 --> 0:09:38.081 onto having a bit of a chat about the Uber 0:09:38.281 --> 0:09:42.081 contractor versus employee case. But just firstly though, because this 0:09:42.201 --> 0:09:45.121 might not be such a lengthy topic, but. 0:09:46.561 --> 0:09:46.961 I have. 0:09:47.361 --> 0:09:50.681 There's been a bit of chat around in the employment 0:09:50.761 --> 0:09:55.201 in the recruiting space about AI and cvs and all 0:09:55.241 --> 0:09:57.481 that sort of stuff, and there's even been the question 0:09:57.561 --> 0:10:02.641 about whether cvs are really in use as much as 0:10:02.681 --> 0:10:05.401 they used to be, But they surely must still be 0:10:05.441 --> 0:10:08.281 there because if an employer doesn't know someone, you want 0:10:08.281 --> 0:10:09.161 a CV, don't you. 0:10:09.281 --> 0:10:11.081 Yeah, And look, the good thing is like you can 0:10:11.081 --> 0:10:14.401 go on LinkedIn and generally if people are registered on LinkedIn, 0:10:14.841 --> 0:10:17.081 you can get their work history, which is really important. 0:10:17.361 --> 0:10:19.361 But there's two things of cvs now. 0:10:19.241 --> 0:10:23.281 Is LinkedIn the pretty much the de facto default you 0:10:23.401 --> 0:10:27.041 beiquitous like the Facebook for cvs as it well, No. 0:10:27.041 --> 0:10:29.401 The LinkedIn's just a really good tool for anyone to 0:10:29.441 --> 0:10:31.761 look at somebody's work history, to have a look at 0:10:31.761 --> 0:10:34.201 them as an individual, what they've achieved, what they've gone through. 0:10:34.521 --> 0:10:37.761 So if you want to build up your profile anywhere, 0:10:38.001 --> 0:10:40.681 use LinkedIn, folks, because it really is good because employers 0:10:40.721 --> 0:10:42.361 do look at them out there. Now. If you're not 0:10:42.401 --> 0:10:45.001 registered on there, a lot of people. Not then the 0:10:45.001 --> 0:10:47.721 employee doesn't get a glimpse. And you do need a CV. 0:10:47.921 --> 0:10:49.641 CV is really important if you're going to go for 0:10:49.681 --> 0:10:53.641 a job. Now the CV, keep it minimal. Don't need 0:10:53.681 --> 0:10:56.321 to go for pages and pages and pages. How wonderful 0:10:56.361 --> 0:10:56.561 you are? 0:10:56.601 --> 0:10:57.561 What if you are wonderful? 0:10:57.561 --> 0:10:57.761 Though? 0:10:57.761 --> 0:10:59.441 What if you've just got so many strings to your 0:10:59.481 --> 0:11:02.001 bow that you just have to you know, that's the thing. 0:11:02.041 --> 0:11:03.721 What do you leave and what you leave aout look? 0:11:03.721 --> 0:11:07.201 I can just imagine yours. Yeah, from conducting an orchestra 0:11:07.321 --> 0:11:10.721 to been on this show, plus what you go law degree? 0:11:11.241 --> 0:11:13.401 It could go on. 0:11:12.761 --> 0:11:15.241 Three sentences and that's all I know. 0:11:16.201 --> 0:11:18.841 Oh you're a father, which must be even there more challenging. 0:11:19.161 --> 0:11:22.201 Well, the reason I mentioned is because and I wonder 0:11:22.281 --> 0:11:26.721 if this is for I'd be curious to know what 0:11:27.001 --> 0:11:31.321 Christopher Luxon had on his CV right throughout his career 0:11:31.361 --> 0:11:33.561 but now on LinkedIn. If you have a look at 0:11:33.561 --> 0:11:38.601 his CV, he traces his whole employment history, which starts 0:11:38.601 --> 0:11:40.921 from I think he was a porter at the Crown 0:11:41.001 --> 0:11:45.841 Plaza in christ Church. He was a part time flip 0:11:45.921 --> 0:11:48.881 burgers at McDonald's I think, And he lists the small 0:11:48.961 --> 0:11:51.481 jobs and you can trace his whole career up to 0:11:51.481 --> 0:11:54.121 when he was at Unilever, I think, and then Prime minister. 0:11:54.481 --> 0:11:57.561 But he puts everything in. But I'm curious to know 0:11:57.641 --> 0:12:00.881 whether when he was, say middle management or going for 0:12:00.881 --> 0:12:03.161 those Unilever jobs, whether he had the McDonald's in there 0:12:03.241 --> 0:12:04.441 or whether he shoved that back. 0:12:04.481 --> 0:12:06.921 And I wouldn't put that in there. So the key to 0:12:07.241 --> 0:12:10.681 going to a CV is less is more, so you 0:12:10.881 --> 0:12:13.441 really just summarize it. Now with him, he would come 0:12:13.441 --> 0:12:15.681 with a reputation. Now, of course he did a little 0:12:15.681 --> 0:12:17.561 stint at the New Zealand you might remember that when 0:12:17.561 --> 0:12:18.121 you missed that one. 0:12:18.241 --> 0:12:20.321 I think that's in there. Yeah, yeah, I think. 0:12:20.161 --> 0:12:22.881 It would be. But you can imagine he would only 0:12:22.921 --> 0:12:26.041 mention the corporate jobs and his background. 0:12:26.161 --> 0:12:28.201 Now there's too no, No, he didn't. He mentioned everything. 0:12:28.361 --> 0:12:31.521 The CV should contain two things, your work history. Just 0:12:31.761 --> 0:12:34.961 don't go back to forever and ever because some old 0:12:34.961 --> 0:12:37.201 people like me, you'd full up pages of them. So 0:12:37.241 --> 0:12:39.561 you go back a little way now. Right now people 0:12:39.561 --> 0:12:42.401 are interested in his background because has he actually lived 0:12:42.401 --> 0:12:45.001 a life. If he's flip Burgers, well I would say 0:12:45.201 --> 0:12:45.921 that's excellent. 0:12:46.041 --> 0:12:47.841 Well that's why I wonder whether he put that in 0:12:48.161 --> 0:12:50.921 when he went into politics. Of course it shows Oh 0:12:51.041 --> 0:12:53.521 so you reckon that when he was on the corporate ladder. 0:12:55.001 --> 0:12:57.081 Less relevant, it's an interesting one. 0:12:57.161 --> 0:12:59.321 Yeah, if you've got to run an airline, you don't 0:12:59.321 --> 0:13:01.681 need to say off flip Burgers because that really doesn't 0:13:01.681 --> 0:13:04.721 spin the wheels for anyone making the decision to a 0:13:04.761 --> 0:13:06.161 point you over someone else. 0:13:06.241 --> 0:13:09.761 It depends. So I had a job as a tourist 0:13:09.801 --> 0:13:12.281 guide when I was sixteen at Rainbow Springs and wrote 0:13:12.281 --> 0:13:14.041 a RUA and I guess if you're going for a 0:13:14.081 --> 0:13:15.921 job where you're communicating, would you put that in? 0:13:15.961 --> 0:13:16.161 Ah? 0:13:16.201 --> 0:13:16.961 Would you leave it out? 0:13:17.041 --> 0:13:20.361 Particularly your job? Yeah? Yeah, you have to entertain these people. 0:13:20.361 --> 0:13:22.521 You actually have to encourage. Yeah, well you do and 0:13:22.641 --> 0:13:25.521 right now you do. So, I mean that would be 0:13:25.601 --> 0:13:28.001 relevant to what you do today. And the other thing 0:13:28.041 --> 0:13:29.481 I was going to say to people, you know, your 0:13:29.481 --> 0:13:31.201 CV is not the only tool. If you've got a 0:13:31.281 --> 0:13:34.481 job like teams and your applying, say for a radio show, 0:13:34.761 --> 0:13:37.761 well then you obviously need an audio or perhaps perhaps 0:13:37.761 --> 0:13:40.401 someone for TV. You want to have video. Now, Look, 0:13:40.561 --> 0:13:42.801 videos are very important. So if you're going to brush 0:13:42.881 --> 0:13:46.121 up on anything, get your presentation skills good because a 0:13:46.121 --> 0:13:49.481 lot of people now are interviewed on zoom. So I've 0:13:49.481 --> 0:13:51.761 been talking to an HR person just in research for 0:13:51.801 --> 0:13:54.041 this and they said, Yep, a lot of them are 0:13:54.281 --> 0:13:56.681 zoomed in and zoomed out. Yep, we'd bring them in 0:13:56.801 --> 0:14:00.761 or teams in her case. But yeah, so you really 0:14:00.761 --> 0:14:02.721 do need to get your skills right for that as well, 0:14:02.761 --> 0:14:06.801 and learn to be more sinc and give direct answers 0:14:07.201 --> 0:14:09.801 very quickly and succinctly and cover a lot of ground. 0:14:09.961 --> 0:14:11.361 We'd love to hear from you, actually, what did you 0:14:11.521 --> 0:14:13.321 what did you leave out of your CV? What was it? 0:14:13.361 --> 0:14:16.041 What did you put in when you're putting together a 0:14:16.041 --> 0:14:19.281 CV for a job. Give us a call on O 0:14:19.281 --> 0:14:20.761 one hundred and eighty ten eighty. We'd love to hear 0:14:20.761 --> 0:14:22.721 from you. Here's just before we go to the break. 0:14:23.241 --> 0:14:28.121 Here's Luxeon's Christopher Luckxon's history and it goes right back 0:14:28.161 --> 0:14:30.281 to being a paper deliverer for the Howerck and Puck 0:14:30.281 --> 0:14:34.401 a ring of times okay in nineteen eighty two. Did 0:14:34.401 --> 0:14:36.641 that for a year by the look of it. Then 0:14:36.641 --> 0:14:39.201 he was a staff member at McDonald's part time. Then 0:14:39.241 --> 0:14:41.481 he was a concierge and porter at the Park Royal 0:14:41.521 --> 0:14:44.201 don't worry. That was going forever. Then there's a whole 0:14:44.241 --> 0:14:47.161 bunch of things he did at UNILEVERA In fact, he 0:14:47.241 --> 0:14:51.441 lists one two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine ten, 0:14:51.801 --> 0:14:55.001 which starts at management trainee, to brand manager for a 0:14:55.041 --> 0:14:58.641 New Zealand, then to Australia and then to president and 0:14:58.681 --> 0:15:02.001 CEO and for Canada at Unilever, and then he goes 0:15:02.041 --> 0:15:04.081 in New Zealand. But he starts. I just thought it 0:15:04.121 --> 0:15:07.201 was interesting that he starts with paper deliverer for the 0:15:07.201 --> 0:15:09.361 Howard can Packer rang oft times and staff members. 0:15:09.401 --> 0:15:12.081 See. I like that, I really really like that. Well, see, 0:15:12.121 --> 0:15:14.241 I would say there's a real man who's experienced a 0:15:14.241 --> 0:15:16.801 bit of real life. Too often I see people at 0:15:16.841 --> 0:15:21.481 the top who really have no understanding or understand or 0:15:21.521 --> 0:15:23.281 perhaps even feelings for people at the bottom. 0:15:23.841 --> 0:15:26.281 So do we like that in his CV? I do, 0:15:26.961 --> 0:15:28.401 But so we don't leave that out. 0:15:28.841 --> 0:15:30.761 No, no, But for that job he is prime minister. 0:15:31.041 --> 0:15:32.321 Oh gotcha? Yeah. 0:15:32.121 --> 0:15:34.321 Yeah. If I was looking to be the CEO of 0:15:34.761 --> 0:15:36.841 you know, in New Zealand, no, I wouldn't be interested. 0:15:37.761 --> 0:15:39.601 Well, I mean you might be slightly interested. 0:15:39.761 --> 0:15:42.041 Two things I never got this out. Two things you've 0:15:42.041 --> 0:15:45.001 got to get is your work experience and also your 0:15:45.041 --> 0:15:47.881 achievements very important? In your achievements, what have you chieved? 0:15:48.161 --> 0:15:49.561 And you're going to be able to support that? 0:15:49.841 --> 0:15:51.921 Yeah, okay, look we want your cause as well. I 0:15:52.001 --> 0:15:54.641 one hundred and eighty ten eighty text nine nine two 0:15:55.081 --> 0:15:57.881 What would you leave in or out of your CV? 0:15:58.281 --> 0:16:00.401 And actually would you trust AI to generate your CV 0:16:00.481 --> 0:16:03.521 because they say apparently that they can tell when a 0:16:03.561 --> 0:16:05.001 CV is AI generator. 0:16:05.881 --> 0:16:07.441 I would no doubt. 0:16:08.041 --> 0:16:10.401 I'm not sure they could actually, but it depends. If 0:16:10.441 --> 0:16:14.601 you've just said, make me a CV, then maybe they can. 0:16:14.681 --> 0:16:16.481 But it's very clever. I mean, I use it quite 0:16:16.481 --> 0:16:18.361 a lot, but actually make me a CV. Yeah, but 0:16:18.641 --> 0:16:21.761 for goodness sake, checks them folks, because it's they have 0:16:21.961 --> 0:16:23.161 impurities right through. 0:16:23.281 --> 0:16:25.241 Yeah. I mean, if you actually tell you what AI 0:16:25.401 --> 0:16:27.481 is really good for, you just say this is my CV. 0:16:27.601 --> 0:16:30.681 You do it all yourself, and you'd say, just tidy 0:16:30.721 --> 0:16:32.761 this up for clarity and spell it's amazing and it 0:16:32.921 --> 0:16:36.801 is not too bad, so anyway, and then change the 0:16:36.801 --> 0:16:39.681 formatting so people don't say I recognize that formatting from 0:16:39.761 --> 0:16:43.081 chat GPT anyway. Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty 0:16:43.121 --> 0:16:45.321 What do you leave in or what do you take 0:16:45.361 --> 0:16:46.841 out of your CV? Or do you leave it all 0:16:46.881 --> 0:16:50.001 in there and tell them exactly how many bottles of 0:16:50.001 --> 0:16:52.121 milk you delivered in your suburban milk round for three 0:16:52.161 --> 0:16:54.961 years when you're a teenager. It's twenty four past five. 0:16:55.001 --> 0:17:00.281 News Talk ZIB. Yes, News Talk z B. It is 0:17:00.281 --> 0:17:03.921 indeed on with Max Whitehead is an employment guru and 0:17:04.001 --> 0:17:06.081 we're talking about CV. What are you leaving? What do 0:17:06.121 --> 0:17:08.161 you take out? Or do you just shove it all 0:17:08.281 --> 0:17:11.241 in there and let them work it out for themselves. 0:17:11.321 --> 0:17:13.481 I guess that's not the answer. No, But anyway, let's 0:17:13.521 --> 0:17:14.081 take some calls. 0:17:14.201 --> 0:17:16.321 Matthew Hi, Hello, Matthew. 0:17:17.241 --> 0:17:17.681 Hi there. 0:17:18.321 --> 0:17:21.761