1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: So we have new targets for the international student market. 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Education New Zealand is hoping by twenty twenty seven the 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: sector will bring in four point four billion dollars. The 4 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: University of whitecat Device Chancellor Elister Jones is with us 5 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: on this alistair. Good morning, Good morning, right now, correct 6 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. I thought it used to be 7 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: five Are we aiming low here? Are we a bit underwhelmed? 8 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 2: I think so four point five billion depends on how 9 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 2: you calculate it. It says economic impact and the press release 10 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 2: so that really doesn't I'm not sure what the multiplier 11 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 2: they're using on student numbers, so it's a little bit 12 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 2: unclear what the target is. But it's great that they 13 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: want to be ambitious and I think we're in the 14 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: stage of rebuilding and I think it's going to take 15 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 2: those two or three years. So it's good to see 16 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 2: Education New Zealand engaging with the sector. But we've still 17 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 2: had a long way to go. 18 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: And. 19 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: I think the commitment to grow our numbers is really important. 20 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 1: Why do we still have a long way to go? 21 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: And did we blow it during COVID? 22 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 2: I think I think our borders were closed for a 23 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: long time I think others opened earlier, and we always 24 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 2: knew that it was going to be two three four 25 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: years before we recover. But in that time off shore, 26 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: I think the market's also changed. It's for universities in 27 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: particular that it's become a postgraduate market, students staying close 28 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 2: at the home for the first few years and then 29 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 2: looking to undertake international study later in their student career. 30 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: Really post grade market means less time here, which affects 31 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: the bottom line, doesn't. 32 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: It It does well. Also means we've got to fill 33 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: the pipeline each year. So traditionally, if we were looking 34 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: at undergraduates, they'd be here for three four years, so 35 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 2: you'd fill it once. Now we have to fill that 36 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: pipeline every year. So we might be getting better students, 37 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: but we're also more activity needs to take place to 38 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,919 Speaker 2: keep filling that so it's going to take a while. 39 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: We may see the undergraduate market come back. We're starting 40 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: to see that for universities now, but that will take 41 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,119 Speaker 2: time as well to rebuild the brand once again. 42 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong, but Australia's boomed with students 43 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: they open them. In fact, it's become such a problem 44 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: they're having to limit numbers and this great political debate 45 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: going on. How come they've done so well and we haven't. 46 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 2: I think the two things they opened early, They encouraged 47 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 2: international students to come back, They managed quarantine during COVID, 48 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 2: and I think the universities, the top universities there have 49 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 2: very strong brand presence. They get also good support from 50 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 2: the federal government as well as the state government. So 51 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 2: some of the go eight universities, the top eight universities 52 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 2: there can have fought it between fourteen and fifty international students. 53 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,399 Speaker 2: So there is a momentum there and I think that's 54 00:02:58,440 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: probably what the government is responded. 55 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: Good insight hel us to appreciate it pretty much heldis 56 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: to Jones, University of Wykat Advice chancellor. So four point 57 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: four it is the damage done. We've said it on 58 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: the program many many times, the way they handled it, 59 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: and this should be part of the inquiry, of course, 60 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: the way they handled it, we're still painful. 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