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Speaker 1: With the John and Ben podcast chairs to Dilma making

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Speaker 1: the World a better tea.

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 3: Great to have you on again. We're having you on weekly.

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Speaker 3: At the moment, do we start paying you? What's going on?

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Speaker 3: Ben deals with the Yeah, it's a.

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Speaker 4: Bit backed out the invoices at the moment, but I'll

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Speaker 4: get around to it at some stage.

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Speaker 5: Hey, now, Jairs, mental Health Awareness Week.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, you couldn't think of anyone more perfect to speak

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Speaker 3: to on a week such as this, So thank you

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Speaker 3: very much for coming on with thought. We're just trying

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Speaker 3: maybe get some some helpful tips and things off you

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Speaker 3: for people who might be going through some stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course absolutely. I mean the very first thing

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Speaker 2: and the biggest thing at the moment for me that

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Speaker 2: I'm being so intentional about post COVID lockdowns, which I

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Speaker 2: feel bad even saying the word COVID, but as human

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Speaker 2: connection has been a big thing being so intentional about,

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Speaker 2: like catching up with friends, going out, having coffee, getting

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Speaker 2: off my damn devices, because I think we've been lacking

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Speaker 2: human connection for so long now that it's kind of

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Speaker 2: become normal to just do it through a screen. So

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Speaker 2: that's probably been It's been a huge one for me

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Speaker 2: over the last little while is making sure I'm prioritizing

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Speaker 2: that and relationships.

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Speaker 4: Has been a big thing because you know, someone who

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Speaker 4: does spend probably a lot of their life on social

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Speaker 4: media for what you do, you know, you do a

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Speaker 4: lot of TikTok and Instagram and social media stuff. It's

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Speaker 4: probably hard to find that balance sometimes, I say, even

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Speaker 2: Right, Oh, absolutely, my screen time is horrific, Like we

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Speaker 2: don't even need to look at my screen time, but

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Speaker 2: it's so bad. And I think we're also having like

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Speaker 2: everything's easy to just like face time and zoom. But

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Speaker 2: I think that makes us a lot more disconnected from

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Speaker 6: I think after COVID, we all just thought we'd go

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Speaker 6: maybe it's a conscious effort we have to make to

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Speaker 6: actually make time to physically meet our friends.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think that our threshold has gone down. I

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Speaker 2: think that it's taken out, like the ability to just

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Speaker 2: actually been harder than people anticipated aren't seeing differends as

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Speaker 5: I won't lie. There was a bit of me that

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Speaker 2: I'm an I tell you, can.

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Speaker 4: We talk about you know, there's people in your life

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Speaker 4: that have helped you, you know, to get to where

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Speaker 4: you are now. Doctor Steph is someone that I know,

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Speaker 4: through talking to you, has been really special with you

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Speaker 4: and someone you're still friends with today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, she was a huge part of my journey.

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Speaker 2: She was kind of the doctor that ultimately I will

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Speaker 4: I was just to say, because you know, we do

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Speaker 4: mental health, but what you can also do for other

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Speaker 4: people like you having that doctor Steph as well, you

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Speaker 4: and it's amazing to see that you're still friends.

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Speaker 5: Your holiday together, we do, we do.

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Speaker 2: We just look to fig for a fiftieth which was

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Speaker 5: We all have friends who have been through mental health issues.

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Speaker 5: If you haven't been through them yourself, how you approach

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Speaker 3: If you know someone's going through a tough time, if

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Speaker 2: I don't think wait. I think that there's so much

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Speaker 2: We've scripted it out of it, which is like how

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Speaker 2: Thanks? How are you moving on with your day? And

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Speaker 6: Like when I had a moment like years ago, I

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Speaker 6: do you want to go? No, I'm not okay, you know,

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Speaker 6: So I think I agree, like it's good. It's definitely

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Speaker 2: Mates one hundred percent. And I do think like asking

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Speaker 1: So I feel like, you know, it will always continue

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Speaker 2: And so yeah, I think it makes the weight of

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 4: It's one thing today that people could try for their

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's definitely a good one. And the other one

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Speaker 2: was buddy, getting out and exercising and getting outside. Like

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Speaker 2: like that's not going to do anything. But when you're

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Speaker 2: Like it's get outside for five minutes, leave your office

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Speaker 5: Tuesday dinner. What office you work and we chained to

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Speaker 6: We can't even see outside.

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Speaker 5: Tell us what it looks like out there?

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Speaker 2: Is it daylight?

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Speaker 3: Because I mean, obviously you're like everyone else chairs and

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Speaker 3: you probably still have days which are better than others

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Speaker 3: and some that are worse than others.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah, I actually just had my new season my

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Speaker 2: podcast just came out to that talked about a bigger

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Speaker 2: relearn how to fight again and realizing that recovery is

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Speaker 2: not linear and sometimes we just have to fight a

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Speaker 2: little bit harder than before and that's okay, Like it's okay,

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Speaker 2: and it's normal, a big the same as beating yourself

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Speaker 2: up for getting a sprained ankle twice. Like it happens,

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Speaker 5: That is that hard for you.

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Speaker 3: Though, because you're the public face of it and then

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was. I mean I didn't talk about

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Speaker 2: I know how many people have found hope and my story,

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Speaker 2: so there was so much more pressure to make sure

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Speaker 2: I couldn't have done it without the people around me.

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Speaker 2: But it was really interesting because my therapist actually, sorry,

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Speaker 2: I'm learning for a second here, But my therapist said

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Speaker 2: at the time, I was like, I don't understand how

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Speaker 2: And she just said, Jazz, the feelings are the same,

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Speaker 2: but your response is different, Like you have grown so

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Speaker 2: much more than you think, so you're asking for hell earlier,

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Speaker 6: You're never letting us down, but you know, feeling however

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Speaker 6: you feel, it's all valid and you're not letting anyone

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Speaker 5: But I completely understand why you'd put that pressure on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got there. We got there. Now. I'm actually

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Speaker 2: currently sitting outside my therapist's office as we speak. Therapy

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Speaker 2: is good. It's everyone to go it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 3: Well, geez, I hope she doesn't charge by the minute

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Speaker 3: because we've held you off.

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Speaker 5: Hope is real.

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Speaker 3: With Jazz Thornton new podcast series is out now on

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Speaker 3: iHeart Radio wherever you get your podcasts from.

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Speaker 5: In jas it's always a pleasure talking with you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, well, thank you guys.