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Speaker 1: New Zealand's furniture vans and a play a store. News Talks, he'd.

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Speaker 2: Be good morning, welcome to your Thursday, just gone six

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Speaker 2: after five. On News Talks, there'd be Nichola Willis, the

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Speaker 2: Finance Minister with us just before six this morning on

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Speaker 2: also this morning, Matthew Haig. He's a lawyer who defended

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Speaker 2: people who didn't want the COVID jab And there's the

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Speaker 2: COVID report being presented, the first of the COVID inquiry

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Speaker 2: reports being presented to the government today. We'll talk about that. Also.

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Speaker 2: Arsenic in your drinking water apparently not as bad as

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Speaker 3: US the agenda.

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Speaker 2: It is Thursday, the twenty age of November. The Israel

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Speaker 4: Almost immediately after this, sayisfire caming to In fact, thousands

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Speaker 2: Israel started to stage withdrawal from southern Lebanon. Obviously, people

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Speaker 2: The ICC has been busy. The Criminal Court says it's

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Speaker 2: He's accused of crimes against humanity committed against the Rahinga Muslims,

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Speaker 2: Three US nationals have been released from prison and China

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Speaker 5: You start in a detention center where you sleep on

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Speaker 2: Don't get arrested. In China, protests calling for the release

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Speaker 2: of former Pakistan Prime minister and cricket start in run

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Speaker 2: Khan from prison have been called off. There was a crackdown.

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Speaker 2: Five hundred people were arrested and they decided, you know what,

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Speaker 3: Get ahead of the headlines. Ryan Bridge you for twenty

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Speaker 3: furniture Beds and a play at store Youth Talks.

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Speaker 2: show before six, a pre Thanksgiving data dumps happening in

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Speaker 2: point eight percent. That's the annual figure two point eight percent. Man,

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Speaker 2: we'd love a bit of that, wouldn't we If you

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Speaker 2: News Talk ZIB thirteen after five News Talks ZIB nine

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Speaker 6: No, I haven't. There's been a number of samples that

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Speaker 6: Well, I have to laboratory, but I understand they've been

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Speaker 2: How can you say that it's safe to drink even

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Speaker 6: Yes, acceptable value for a drinking water is designed for

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Speaker 6: So we found out about these results yesterday yesterday morning.

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Speaker 2: So did both you as a regulator and water care

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Speaker 6: You are saying that we were notified on the twenty seventh,

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Speaker 2: When you say how when you say water Care is

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Speaker 2: Right, Steve, you can guarantee as one hundred there'll be

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Speaker 2: no ill health effects from this, nothing for pregnant women,

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Speaker 6: So we're confident that these levels are safe to drink,

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Speaker 2: Steve. Thanks for your time this morning, Steve Taylor, head

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Speaker 2: It is twenty one after five Newstalk, said b The

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Speaker 2: head of the COVID nineteen inquiry says vaccine mandates caused

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Speaker 2: I'll go through the exact comments in just a second,

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Speaker 7: My action is in some way it does state the obvious.

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Speaker 7: The sleucial parson me wonders if the little adverse comment

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Speaker 2: Good Morning, New Zealand, twenty four minutes away from six

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Speaker 9: Investigations have already established the circumstances of this crash and

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Speaker 9: We've got all west gusts today a wind warning gusts

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Speaker 2: Well that's nice. How's your weather?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, this is from the people who run Miaoba, which

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Speaker 12: people will have no choice but to drive. What a cluster.

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Speaker 2: It is a bit of a cluster, especially when you

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Speaker 2: look at I mean, same thing's happening in Wellington where

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Speaker 2: they live, and it could go up seventy seventy of

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Speaker 2: that's right, your worst case scenario. That is exactly your

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Speaker 2: load of money. I mean, if you're commuting on a

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Speaker 2: train from there's a woman going from Masterton to Wellington

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Speaker 2: costed thirty five bucks a day. It could cost just

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Speaker 2: sixty bucks.

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Speaker 12: And you know with Auckland, I mean there's always delays

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Speaker 12: with trains and things like that than just something if that.

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Speaker 12: You know, hate to be negative, but you know, let's try.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, we spend most of our day

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Speaker 2: being negative, so I don't think you should apologize for it.

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Speaker 12: I was just thinking, is this probably an incentive and

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Speaker 12: a good thing. The reason why we work so early

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Speaker 12: in the morning because we can't take the whole thing

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Speaker 12: and we're boire the whole thing and we can drive

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Speaker 12: and we don't get caught in traffic at three in

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Speaker 12: the morning. How's the weather fine apart from morning cloud

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Speaker 12: twenty two is the high here in Auckland.

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Speaker 2: Mitch McCann Nicola willis up next News Talk.

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Speaker 3: ZB International Correspondence with Ends and Eye insurance survined for

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Speaker 3: New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: It is fourteen away from six news talks, said b Nicola.

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Speaker 2: Willis the Finance minister standing by in the ocr right now.

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Speaker 2: Mitch McCann out of the US, Mitch, how is Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump's transition going?

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Speaker 11: Good morning, Ryan, while he's.

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Speaker 2: Astration, it's going well.

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Speaker 11: When any new US administration takes over, Ryan, they are

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Speaker 11: tasked with appointing hundreds of people to important jobs in

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Speaker 11: the American government, and that usually means many of them

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Speaker 11: require vetting and background checks from the FBI. It's pretty

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Speaker 11: standard procedure. But as Donald Trump is said to take

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Speaker 11: over the White House, The Guardian is now reporting that

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Speaker 11: Trump's team are planning for all political appointees to receive

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Speaker 11: clearances on day one and only face background checks when

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Speaker 11: its own officials are installed in the government. It's a

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Speaker 11: mood that's said to receive plenty of criticism that reporting

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Speaker 11: is correct. As Donald Trump finishes up deciding who's going

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Speaker 11: to be in his cabinet.

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Speaker 2: That's the problem when no one trusts the public institutions.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it the Arctic blast heading your way? What are

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Speaker 2: you doing for Thanksgiving? Much?

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Speaker 11: I'm having some some chicken some ham. I'm not buying

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Speaker 11: into that whole Turkey thing. It's too dry for me.

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Speaker 11: And then I'm flying back to New Zealand. But for

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Speaker 11: many people here in the US, it's going to be

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Speaker 11: freezing cold tomorrow. This arctic blast is coming through the US.

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Speaker 11: Temperature is as low as minus thirty four to minus

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Speaker 11: forty celsius in places like Wyoming, Nebraska, and Montana, and

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Speaker 11: it's bad news for almost eighty million Americans traveling for

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Speaker 11: Thanksgiving over that seven day period.

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Speaker 2: Mitch, we can state signed, thanks so much for your time,

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Speaker 2: mate it is and look forward to seeing him when

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Speaker 2: you're back home. Thirteen away from six Bryan Bridge. Yes,

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Speaker 2: the ocr is coming down fifty basis points yesterday, bringing

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Speaker 2: it to four point twenty five percent, but growth well

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Speaker 2: still ain't great. Nicola Willis is the Finance minister. Minister,

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Speaker 2: good morning, good morning, right, nice to have you on

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Speaker 2: the show. So we know it's all good and rosy

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Speaker 2: and positive in terms of the OCI coming down a

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Speaker 2: bit further. But how worried are you about GDP? We

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Speaker 2: were down in June, we were down in September. We've

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Speaker 2: now downgraded our forecast going forward. This is a failure.

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Speaker 13: Well, I think about GDP all of the time because

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Speaker 13: how fast the economy grows determines what jobs, opportunities, incomes

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Speaker 13: are available for people. So of course we want to

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Speaker 13: see the economy growing faster. That's why we're so focused

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Speaker 13: on removing retape, making sure that people can get resource

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Speaker 13: contents quicker, getting infrastructure out the door. Next year, what

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Speaker 13: the numbers tell us is that the economy will be

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Speaker 13: growing much, much faster than this year. That is good news,

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Speaker 13: but of course we always want to see those forecasts

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Speaker 13: getting higher, and of course it concerns me if they're

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Speaker 13: not as high as they can be.

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Speaker 2: What about the half yearly economic fiscal update next month,

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Speaker 2: We're going to have to push that surplus out from

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Speaker 2: twenty seven to twenty eight.

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Speaker 13: Well, look, I will announce those forecasts on the seventeenth

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Speaker 13: of December, and I won't go into the numbers ahead

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Speaker 13: of that. What you saw the chief economist of the

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Speaker 13: Tree come out with last week was that the Treasury

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Speaker 13: itself has been looking at the underlying size the economy

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Speaker 13: and revising its view about what's been happening over the

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Speaker 13: past few years. Complicated story, but basically, after COVID. They

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Speaker 13: got excited about where productivity was going. They're now revising

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Speaker 13: that damping it down. Well, actually isn't quite as good

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Speaker 13: as we think, and that means that their gross assumptions

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Speaker 13: are more muted, and of course that has flow on economies.

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Speaker 13: So you flow on implications for everything in the economy,

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Speaker 13: including how much revenue the government is receiving. We won't

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Speaker 13: make those updates in a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so that's not sounding great. Hipkins says, you need

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Speaker 2: to stop throttling the economy. I mean, inflation's under control now.

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Speaker 2: You need to stop with the austerity. You know, you've

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Speaker 2: got people heading to the winds dull queue. You've got

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Speaker 2: the housing projects that have been stalled because of funding cuts.

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Speaker 2: You've got activity that's not happening because of decisions you're making,

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Speaker 2: which is effect that GDP number.

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Speaker 13: What do you say, Well, actually, unemployment is coming in

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Speaker 13: lower than had been forecast and predicted.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still up.

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Speaker 13: I rejected austerity. I rejected austerity a year ago when

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Speaker 13: we came into office. That's why, despite a declining economy

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Speaker 13: left to us by Chris Hipkins and his friends, we

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Speaker 13: have increased funding dramatically, for health, for education, for the police.

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Speaker 13: What we've been doing is shifting resources from more wasteful

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Speaker 13: areas of government expenditures so we can focus them on

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Speaker 13: the areas that Kiwis really care about. I don't resile

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Speaker 13: from that, because I want to see funding going into

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Speaker 13: things like hiring more police on the front line, ensuring

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Speaker 13: that we've got structured literacy in our schools, making sure

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Speaker 13: that we are hiring more doctors and buying more cancer drugs.

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Speaker 13: That's the right thing to be doing. In Labour's wasteful

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Speaker 13: spending was not good for the economy and it wasn't

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Speaker 13: good for Kiwis.

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Speaker 2: What about this report, and I'm sure you've seen it,

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Speaker 2: particularly in Wellington, potential for a seventy percent increase in

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Speaker 2: public transport cost? The hell are people meant to wear that?

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Speaker 13: Look? I've only just seen that report. Obviously, public transport

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Speaker 13: fears are ultimately a matter for counsels. They make those decisions,

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Speaker 13: and so that is something which I'll have to understand.

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Speaker 13: What are the adjustments that the Wellington councils are making on

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Speaker 13: that matter. The government is continuing to fund public transport.

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Speaker 13: In fact, more money is going into public transport that

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Speaker 13: it has in the past. Obviously there are pressures. We're

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Speaker 13: also funding roads. There's a lot for us to do

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Speaker 13: in transport, so that those are discretionary decisions and look,

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Speaker 13: I'm happy to be looking at that. We want to

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Speaker 13: see New Zealanders with more cash in their back pockets

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Speaker 13: with a combination of tax relief, family boost childcare payments,

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Speaker 13: of interest rates coming down and inflation coming down. Many

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Speaker 13: many New Zealand families have come through a very tough time.

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Speaker 13: Can now see light at the end of the tunnel.

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Speaker 2: Have you seen, as Finance Minister, any modeling on the

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Speaker 2: tental impacts of tariffs from a Trump administration or have

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Speaker 2: you had any conversations early conversations have we our embassy

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Speaker 2: withincoming US officials.

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Speaker 13: Look, it is too early to model anything like that

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Speaker 13: because a lot of what you're reading at the moment

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Speaker 13: is speculation about what an incoming Trump administration will do.

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Speaker 13: Obviously we have the comments that he's made on the

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Speaker 13: campaign trail, but how that translates into policy in what order,

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Speaker 13: at what time, for what country are big questions. New

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Speaker 13: Zealand's job is to pursue our interests. We've had a

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Speaker 13: very strong relationship with the United States over many decades.

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Speaker 13: It's a significant trading relationship from which both countries derive values,

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Speaker 13: and the role of our diplomats and our indises is

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Speaker 13: to put our best foot forward to make sure we

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Speaker 13: maintain a really good trading position for our exported.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's claiming that they're in charge of the government at

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Speaker 2: the moment. Have you seen that on the news? As

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Speaker 2: we all know.

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Speaker 13: I think it's wonderful because many fathers, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: We all know it's here, isn't it. We all know

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Speaker 2: that you're the real boss. You're the real boss of

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Speaker 2: the show.

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Speaker 7: Down here in this world.

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Speaker 13: Nothing great happens without another involved as well. And well,

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Speaker 13: Christopher lasm should take the ultimate credit. He has an

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Speaker 13: extraordinary team of people with them across down ministry, across

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Speaker 13: three parties and government. And I can tell you we

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Speaker 13: all get up each day and we give it our

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Speaker 13: absolute best.

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Speaker 2: That is Nichola Willis, Mother of the Nation. Just gone

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Speaker 2: seven minutes away from Sex News Talk s.

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Speaker 3: B the first word on the News of the Day

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Speaker 3: early edition with Ryan Bridge and Smith, City New Zealand's Furniture,

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Speaker 3: Beds and a Playing Store.

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Speaker 2: News Talks five away from Sex News Talk said, but

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Speaker 2: sorry now four away from six. Great to have your

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Speaker 2: company this morning. We've just had Nichola Willis went a

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Speaker 2: bit late. Mike's here, Hey, Mike morning.

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Speaker 14: Hey, what I'm concerned? Are you with your Candice Island

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Speaker 14: tickets that you bought?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: And are you getting many bucks for are you getting

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Speaker 14: a refund for those?

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Speaker 2: Did she sell any? She did? Put them on? You said?

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Speaker 2: You said the other day you had six of them?

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Speaker 2: Were looking forward to the show. Do you know I

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Speaker 2: would have gone? I went to who's that other guy?

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Speaker 2: You know, the sein film, No, the Marcho guy, the

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Speaker 2: psychologist that everyone needs to say with, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 14: I interviewed him a couple of years ago, so he's

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Speaker 14: actually an interesting guy if you get beyond the noise

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Speaker 14: around them.

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Speaker 2: I quite enjoyed this because there should be nothing wrong

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Speaker 2: with going and listening to koeople who have crazy ideas.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't agree more.

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Speaker 14: And just because Australia doesn't want somebody this is I

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Speaker 14: just wonder if that's an excuse from our immigration to Australia.

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Speaker 2: Didn't so easy box to tack, I would have thought so.

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Speaker 14: Anyway, the usual we got the o c R and

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Speaker 14: all went stuff. Stephen Joyce's with us on that in

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Speaker 14: the month, among other matters. This morning very good. Alright,

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Speaker 14: MICA's with the next. Thank you for listening, everybody, have

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Speaker 14: a fantastic day, and I'll see you tomorrow Friday, my

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Speaker 14: favorite day.

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