1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 1: from News Talks ed B. 3 00:00:13,027 --> 00:00:15,787 Speaker 2: The All Blacks have been in France twenty nine nineteen 4 00:00:15,867 --> 00:00:18,907 Speaker 2: in Hamilton to sweep the three Test series three nil. 5 00:00:18,987 --> 00:00:22,267 Speaker 2: Having trailed nineteen seventeen at the break. Duplessy Kadify and 6 00:00:22,347 --> 00:00:25,667 Speaker 2: Brody McAllister scored tries in the second half to secure 7 00:00:25,707 --> 00:00:25,987 Speaker 2: the win. 8 00:00:26,347 --> 00:00:30,027 Speaker 3: To reefeedback for Jordy Barrett lighting through he has support. 9 00:00:30,227 --> 00:00:35,307 Speaker 3: Broddie McCallister on deabot slides over the line All Blacks 10 00:00:35,307 --> 00:00:37,907 Speaker 3: debitot you would think seals the win. 11 00:00:38,507 --> 00:00:41,227 Speaker 2: Yeah, very cool moment for Brody McAllister, All Black number 12 00:00:41,267 --> 00:00:43,947 Speaker 2: twelve hundred and twenty nine and a try scorer on 13 00:00:44,107 --> 00:00:48,747 Speaker 2: debut on his home patch. All Black's assistant coach Scott 14 00:00:48,787 --> 00:00:51,027 Speaker 2: Hansen is with U. Scott, thanks for taking the time 15 00:00:51,027 --> 00:00:54,507 Speaker 2: this afternoon. In general terms, first of all, how do 16 00:00:54,667 --> 00:00:56,667 Speaker 2: you evaluate last night's performance? 17 00:00:58,267 --> 00:01:01,107 Speaker 4: This was the performance. Actually haven't watched it again where 18 00:01:01,107 --> 00:01:03,067 Speaker 4: we're hit and run this morning. Now I'll get the 19 00:01:03,147 --> 00:01:06,027 Speaker 4: chance to watch it again. But the field from the 20 00:01:06,067 --> 00:01:10,067 Speaker 4: group was we liked a little bit of cohesion out 21 00:01:10,067 --> 00:01:12,867 Speaker 4: there at times that probably didn't allow us to find 22 00:01:12,907 --> 00:01:15,707 Speaker 4: the game that we wanted to against the French. The 23 00:01:15,747 --> 00:01:18,827 Speaker 4: French did a really good job adapting their game differitely 24 00:01:18,867 --> 00:01:22,547 Speaker 4: defensively around it, and we'll probably feel watching that game again. 25 00:01:23,307 --> 00:01:27,627 Speaker 4: I didn't quote recognize some opportunity that in front of 26 00:01:27,667 --> 00:01:31,107 Speaker 4: us around our game where will to be better? Taking 27 00:01:31,147 --> 00:01:33,827 Speaker 4: all that away being a grumpy old coach and being 28 00:01:34,347 --> 00:01:37,707 Speaker 4: a positive coach, I'll swing that now around some fantastic 29 00:01:37,787 --> 00:01:41,107 Speaker 4: displays from some young men put under a lot of 30 00:01:41,147 --> 00:01:45,067 Speaker 4: pressure in a test match moment. The response from them 31 00:01:45,147 --> 00:01:48,187 Speaker 4: was so encouraging. A really good for us as a 32 00:01:48,227 --> 00:01:52,507 Speaker 4: group to take some earnings really from a performance that 33 00:01:52,547 --> 00:01:56,587 Speaker 4: will need to be better and leading into Argentina. So overall, 34 00:01:56,627 --> 00:01:58,227 Speaker 4: there's a lot that we can take out of the game. 35 00:01:58,787 --> 00:02:01,307 Speaker 2: How big an adjustment is it for a player to 36 00:02:01,347 --> 00:02:04,187 Speaker 2: go from an impact player to a starter with only 37 00:02:04,227 --> 00:02:06,987 Speaker 2: ten or fifteen minutes notice, as dupless he had to 38 00:02:07,027 --> 00:02:09,867 Speaker 2: do last night when Luke Jacobson was a late scratching 39 00:02:09,987 --> 00:02:11,507 Speaker 2: How big a challenge for a player is that? 40 00:02:13,787 --> 00:02:17,787 Speaker 4: Yeah? I think I think preparation. We focus on preparation 41 00:02:17,867 --> 00:02:20,427 Speaker 4: and everyone being ready, and that moment comes, you need 42 00:02:20,467 --> 00:02:23,147 Speaker 4: to be ready, and last night was an example of 43 00:02:23,187 --> 00:02:27,067 Speaker 4: that that put Christian Obs obviously onto the bench. Dukes 44 00:02:27,067 --> 00:02:30,827 Speaker 4: did a fantastic job during the warm up. Luke unfortunately 45 00:02:30,867 --> 00:02:34,667 Speaker 4: took a knock to the leg and we felt that 46 00:02:34,707 --> 00:02:37,667 Speaker 4: he wasn't able to start, therefore not able to finish 47 00:02:37,747 --> 00:02:40,827 Speaker 4: the test. So for US duops came in did a 48 00:02:40,827 --> 00:02:44,867 Speaker 4: great job, eighty went to eight and then maneuvered really 49 00:02:44,947 --> 00:02:48,987 Speaker 4: quickly with the group. So the process of preparing for 50 00:02:49,467 --> 00:02:51,627 Speaker 4: through the week and again was highlighted last night in 51 00:02:51,667 --> 00:02:52,227 Speaker 4: the need for It. 52 00:02:52,947 --> 00:02:56,027 Speaker 2: Hardie Savey had talked afterwards about being punched in the 53 00:02:56,067 --> 00:02:58,547 Speaker 2: nose in the first half. He said, first time since 54 00:02:59,027 --> 00:03:01,627 Speaker 2: the second Test against England last year, you've actually been 55 00:03:01,627 --> 00:03:04,747 Speaker 2: behind at halftime. What were the messages to the team 56 00:03:05,107 --> 00:03:05,707 Speaker 2: during the break. 57 00:03:07,267 --> 00:03:08,947 Speaker 4: We've got the chance to take them in the break 58 00:03:08,987 --> 00:03:11,827 Speaker 4: and terestly you listen to what they see and what 59 00:03:11,867 --> 00:03:14,547 Speaker 4: they're feeling around the game, and we've also got the 60 00:03:14,627 --> 00:03:16,987 Speaker 4: chance to show them a clip or two around where 61 00:03:17,027 --> 00:03:19,587 Speaker 4: the games app where the opportunities are and where we 62 00:03:19,667 --> 00:03:24,107 Speaker 4: need to possibly clean up. There's always that at halftime 63 00:03:24,267 --> 00:03:26,667 Speaker 4: to keep it around. The messages from the leaders was 64 00:03:27,667 --> 00:03:31,467 Speaker 4: maintained position and just some correction around certain areas of 65 00:03:31,507 --> 00:03:34,227 Speaker 4: the field. We didn't quite know that again in the 66 00:03:34,267 --> 00:03:37,427 Speaker 4: second half, but the leaders did a great job at 67 00:03:37,467 --> 00:03:40,507 Speaker 4: halftime around what was needed, and again we showed a 68 00:03:40,507 --> 00:03:43,307 Speaker 4: lot of composer. We found a way when essentially being 69 00:03:43,347 --> 00:03:45,787 Speaker 4: ten neel down and we had to bike through. So 70 00:03:46,387 --> 00:03:47,787 Speaker 4: really pleasing to see that. 71 00:03:47,907 --> 00:03:49,667 Speaker 2: You were held up over the triline a number of 72 00:03:49,667 --> 00:03:51,787 Speaker 2: times went't you three or four times? I can remember 73 00:03:51,787 --> 00:03:55,427 Speaker 2: that you were over the line? Yeah? Yeah, well interesting then, 74 00:03:55,787 --> 00:03:58,827 Speaker 2: but what can be done about that? It's you know, 75 00:03:58,867 --> 00:04:02,787 Speaker 2: it's desperate French defense. You know you've got there all, 76 00:04:02,827 --> 00:04:05,387 Speaker 2: but there is it just different body position? How do 77 00:04:05,427 --> 00:04:06,547 Speaker 2: you work on something like that? 78 00:04:07,547 --> 00:04:11,827 Speaker 4: Oh exactly, that different body position, Understanding where the space was, 79 00:04:11,947 --> 00:04:15,267 Speaker 4: understand how we can work in as individuals or doubles. 80 00:04:16,867 --> 00:04:20,427 Speaker 4: It was an area of the game at last ten 81 00:04:20,507 --> 00:04:22,627 Speaker 4: meters for us. We just didn't get what right as 82 00:04:22,667 --> 00:04:25,547 Speaker 4: well as we should have last night. The space was 83 00:04:26,267 --> 00:04:28,427 Speaker 4: across the field and that's not always trying to run 84 00:04:28,427 --> 00:04:31,027 Speaker 4: over the top of people. So we'll definitely have some 85 00:04:31,067 --> 00:04:33,387 Speaker 4: good learnings there. I felt the way we trained during 86 00:04:33,387 --> 00:04:36,067 Speaker 4: the week was a week up there, no excuses at all, 87 00:04:36,747 --> 00:04:39,347 Speaker 4: but we tightened up down there and as a coach 88 00:04:39,427 --> 00:04:41,947 Speaker 4: I thought, all, you know, I need to prepare the 89 00:04:41,987 --> 00:04:43,907 Speaker 4: better and then what they played around that area of 90 00:04:43,907 --> 00:04:46,987 Speaker 4: the game. So definitely a lot of things Jason, around 91 00:04:47,107 --> 00:04:50,347 Speaker 4: body height, where we were on the field, the ability 92 00:04:50,347 --> 00:04:53,707 Speaker 4: to move to the space and even use our individuals 93 00:04:53,747 --> 00:04:54,907 Speaker 4: a wee bit differently. 94 00:04:55,427 --> 00:04:58,707 Speaker 2: Speaking of prep, France are very different, don't they, particularly 95 00:04:58,747 --> 00:05:00,907 Speaker 2: on attack from anything your players come up against in 96 00:05:00,987 --> 00:05:05,347 Speaker 2: Super rugby. How detailed is your prep around your opposition 97 00:05:05,427 --> 00:05:06,267 Speaker 2: in the week of a test? 98 00:05:07,707 --> 00:05:11,387 Speaker 4: Yep, yeah, that shows a lot of respect. We spent 99 00:05:11,467 --> 00:05:14,827 Speaker 4: a lot of time obviously acknowledging their games, what helps 100 00:05:14,867 --> 00:05:18,387 Speaker 4: their game, where it starts from. We acknowledge where we'll 101 00:05:18,387 --> 00:05:21,227 Speaker 4: get positioned from their game. When we do then well too. 102 00:05:21,427 --> 00:05:23,027 Speaker 4: So if you're a bit of depth, the players do 103 00:05:23,107 --> 00:05:27,547 Speaker 4: a great job within the orbic environment getting ready for trends, 104 00:05:27,587 --> 00:05:30,187 Speaker 4: what we can expect, and then you've got to have 105 00:05:30,227 --> 00:05:33,347 Speaker 4: that ability also to adjust them adjust quickly. Last night 106 00:05:33,427 --> 00:05:36,147 Speaker 4: the French played at first ten minutes that moved the 107 00:05:36,147 --> 00:05:39,467 Speaker 4: bad away bit differently, had a little bit more difference 108 00:05:39,507 --> 00:05:41,267 Speaker 4: in their shape, so we had to adapt to that 109 00:05:42,627 --> 00:05:46,747 Speaker 4: and then defensively obviously from the Wellington Test They put 110 00:05:46,747 --> 00:05:49,107 Speaker 4: a lot of time and effort into their double collisions 111 00:05:49,987 --> 00:05:52,587 Speaker 4: that slowed up our ball at times, but we felt 112 00:05:52,627 --> 00:05:54,187 Speaker 4: also it was in a lot of kickspace in the 113 00:05:54,227 --> 00:05:57,307 Speaker 4: back of the field. We got there one or two times, 114 00:05:57,307 --> 00:06:00,347 Speaker 4: which was great, but again some growth around how we 115 00:06:00,347 --> 00:06:02,987 Speaker 4: can get there quicker we keep our forwards going forward. 116 00:06:03,787 --> 00:06:05,467 Speaker 2: Can you talk a bit about the influence of Jordi 117 00:06:05,507 --> 00:06:06,347 Speaker 2: Barrett when he came up. 118 00:06:06,787 --> 00:06:10,467 Speaker 4: Yeah, massive, It was a massive influence, and coming on 119 00:06:10,947 --> 00:06:14,187 Speaker 4: we needed some type running. We needed what he gave 120 00:06:14,307 --> 00:06:16,907 Speaker 4: us with that breach line and the inside border Brodie, 121 00:06:17,467 --> 00:06:21,387 Speaker 4: we needed his experience, a carb influence on the group 122 00:06:21,907 --> 00:06:25,267 Speaker 4: and vice captain coming on from the bench. So we thought, 123 00:06:25,627 --> 00:06:27,667 Speaker 4: and I thought, in particular when Jordie went on, here 124 00:06:28,867 --> 00:06:32,107 Speaker 4: are really encouraging tests around knowing where we were in 125 00:06:32,147 --> 00:06:33,707 Speaker 4: the moment, what was required. 126 00:06:34,627 --> 00:06:37,747 Speaker 2: Have you ever seen a more natural triscorer than will Jordan. 127 00:06:40,987 --> 00:06:44,027 Speaker 4: I've had the privilege, like many, you know, all Black 128 00:06:44,427 --> 00:06:47,547 Speaker 4: and world rugby lovers and loving the game, to watch 129 00:06:47,587 --> 00:06:50,827 Speaker 4: a lot of finishes and a lot of fantastic players. 130 00:06:52,187 --> 00:06:55,147 Speaker 4: But the ultimate privilege for me really is having a 131 00:06:55,227 --> 00:06:57,587 Speaker 4: believer in all of us as coaches of coaching someone 132 00:06:57,627 --> 00:07:02,187 Speaker 4: like Will Jordan in particular his anticipation for where the 133 00:07:02,227 --> 00:07:07,787 Speaker 4: ball will be, his ability to lead out there like 134 00:07:07,827 --> 00:07:12,187 Speaker 4: a coach and govern the group around where we can 135 00:07:12,267 --> 00:07:16,787 Speaker 4: be in our attack. He's getting better and better, I believe, 136 00:07:16,827 --> 00:07:21,307 Speaker 4: and you can just sit back and really enjoy world 137 00:07:21,307 --> 00:07:24,627 Speaker 4: around going around his natural game. It's a real toughness 138 00:07:24,667 --> 00:07:27,387 Speaker 4: about his game at the moment, around his carry, his 139 00:07:27,507 --> 00:07:30,827 Speaker 4: intent and also defensively and so all Jordan's in a 140 00:07:30,827 --> 00:07:31,987 Speaker 4: beautiful spot at the moment. 141 00:07:32,467 --> 00:07:35,267 Speaker 2: Just a couple of forward looking questions to finish, Scott, 142 00:07:35,867 --> 00:07:42,987 Speaker 2: how many positions in your best fifteen are still live conversations. 143 00:07:43,267 --> 00:07:46,987 Speaker 4: The all backs. There also be the competition we need 144 00:07:47,267 --> 00:07:50,107 Speaker 4: needs to come from within the group. So when our 145 00:07:50,107 --> 00:07:53,347 Speaker 4: players are playing well and we're putting in good performances, 146 00:07:53,987 --> 00:07:55,707 Speaker 4: that's the pressure that we need on the group for 147 00:07:55,747 --> 00:07:59,107 Speaker 4: them to respond. So competition within the group needs to 148 00:07:59,147 --> 00:08:02,067 Speaker 4: be massive. And we're very lucky at the moment around 149 00:08:02,067 --> 00:08:05,507 Speaker 4: building some quality debt. And you look at Lowey who's 150 00:08:05,907 --> 00:08:07,867 Speaker 4: just come on last night, because you look at Flicky 151 00:08:07,867 --> 00:08:11,147 Speaker 4: where he's at his game. Also, so if you go 152 00:08:11,187 --> 00:08:13,547 Speaker 4: from Wonder fifteen at the moment, we feel we're building 153 00:08:13,587 --> 00:08:16,987 Speaker 4: some good depth. Yes we need to continue that. Yes 154 00:08:17,067 --> 00:08:19,867 Speaker 4: a lot of positions need some more tests to continue 155 00:08:19,867 --> 00:08:23,347 Speaker 4: that growth. But we're really happy with what we're building 156 00:08:23,507 --> 00:08:24,787 Speaker 4: and the players that we have. 157 00:08:25,347 --> 00:08:27,187 Speaker 2: So what will the next month look like? As you 158 00:08:27,227 --> 00:08:28,747 Speaker 2: prepare for the Rugby Championship? 159 00:08:30,387 --> 00:08:32,947 Speaker 4: You know our next time will be over argent Teenage 160 00:08:32,987 --> 00:08:36,067 Speaker 4: just says as coaching staff, what we do is we 161 00:08:36,107 --> 00:08:39,867 Speaker 4: connect and we prepare for that. We present information for 162 00:08:39,947 --> 00:08:41,627 Speaker 4: the boys to look at in their time in the 163 00:08:41,627 --> 00:08:44,667 Speaker 4: coming weeks and that girl and the medical staff will 164 00:08:44,707 --> 00:08:48,107 Speaker 4: do a great job preparing them mentally and physically to 165 00:08:48,187 --> 00:08:50,907 Speaker 4: keep it around being an all backers. When you go 166 00:08:51,027 --> 00:08:53,587 Speaker 4: home from this series, just be present with your loved ones, 167 00:08:53,627 --> 00:08:56,147 Speaker 4: your family, take care for them and be present. Do 168 00:08:56,307 --> 00:08:59,547 Speaker 4: really well there because you don't get that right. A 169 00:08:59,587 --> 00:09:01,547 Speaker 4: lot of boys at times, they may come back into 170 00:09:01,587 --> 00:09:03,987 Speaker 4: the environment and they may not be at their best 171 00:09:04,027 --> 00:09:07,667 Speaker 4: because of it. So that's really important managing home and 172 00:09:07,707 --> 00:09:12,627 Speaker 4: doing well there. They've got their physical preparation. A number 173 00:09:12,627 --> 00:09:16,067 Speaker 4: of players will play for the provincial unions, which is great. 174 00:09:16,147 --> 00:09:17,867 Speaker 4: They need to get in and play well and be 175 00:09:17,907 --> 00:09:21,027 Speaker 4: good all back within those environments and then we'll get 176 00:09:21,027 --> 00:09:24,067 Speaker 4: to Argentina with with a week to go and prepared 177 00:09:24,107 --> 00:09:24,387 Speaker 4: for that. 178 00:09:24,427 --> 00:09:26,747 Speaker 2: Test over and just to Finnish, I mean there are 179 00:09:26,747 --> 00:09:28,427 Speaker 2: some big taste matches coming up. I know you only 180 00:09:28,467 --> 00:09:30,867 Speaker 2: look at the next ones Argentina, as you say, but 181 00:09:31,387 --> 00:09:33,987 Speaker 2: South Africa looming on the horizon. Do you feel like 182 00:09:34,027 --> 00:09:36,267 Speaker 2: you're in a pretty good spot as we sat here today, Scott, 183 00:09:36,307 --> 00:09:38,867 Speaker 2: ahead of ahead of these big challenges ahead. 184 00:09:39,987 --> 00:09:42,547 Speaker 4: We're bolding, we're building, for sure. I think we can 185 00:09:42,547 --> 00:09:45,067 Speaker 4: take a lot of confidence from the French series. We 186 00:09:45,107 --> 00:09:48,707 Speaker 4: can take some confidence around areas of our government have 187 00:09:48,747 --> 00:09:50,987 Speaker 4: gone well. Now we just need to bring it together. 188 00:09:51,507 --> 00:09:53,667 Speaker 4: That will always be the focus for us. But yeah, 189 00:09:54,027 --> 00:09:56,067 Speaker 4: it's a really good rugby on around the world for 190 00:09:56,147 --> 00:09:58,587 Speaker 4: us all to watch and enjoy. It also gives you 191 00:09:58,627 --> 00:10:01,147 Speaker 4: the chance to look at those environments to go okay, 192 00:10:02,027 --> 00:10:04,507 Speaker 4: where are we around that to the innovation that are 193 00:10:04,547 --> 00:10:07,427 Speaker 4: creating in the game. We were we their game and 194 00:10:07,587 --> 00:10:10,507 Speaker 4: we'll from people. So it's some good foody to come 195 00:10:10,587 --> 00:10:14,587 Speaker 4: up and watch. We're definitely excited around we were leading. 196 00:10:15,187 --> 00:10:17,107 Speaker 2: I appreciate you taking the time for a chat, Scott. 197 00:10:17,147 --> 00:10:18,547 Speaker 2: Hope you're going to a rebreak as well. We'll catch 198 00:10:18,627 --> 00:10:19,147 Speaker 2: up again soon. 199 00:10:19,547 --> 00:10:21,267 Speaker 4: Thanks. So much Matte, nice to talk to you today, 200 00:10:21,307 --> 00:10:22,307 Speaker 4: Thanks Jason. 201 00:10:22,187 --> 00:10:24,347 Speaker 2: No, thank you. 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