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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from Newstalk ZEDB SO.

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Speaker 2: Four rounds to go in Super Rugby Pacific twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: five and all to play for All eleven teams have

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Speaker 2: either three or four games to go. All eleven remain

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Speaker 2: in contention for the playoffs. The Fiji and drew It

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Speaker 2: kept their top six flame flickering yesterday with a last

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Speaker 2: gasp thirty six thirty three win over the Reds in Suva.

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Speaker 2: The table topping Chiefs has mentioned beaten for just the

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Speaker 2: third time this season, going down thirty five seventeen to

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Speaker 2: the Hurricanes in the Capitol last night, and the Brumbis

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Speaker 2: bouncing back from their defeat to the Hurricanes last weekend

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Speaker 2: to consolidate third place with a forty seventeen victory over

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Speaker 2: the Waratahs. In camera final match of the weekend this afternoon,

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Speaker 2: the Highlanders host Mowana Pacifica. A win for Maaana Pacifica

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Speaker 2: this afternoon would see them leap into the top six.

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Speaker 2: A hometown win for the Highlanders would keep them very

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Speaker 2: much alive as well. So there is play of jeopardy

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Speaker 2: and plenty to play for as we enter the home

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Speaker 2: strait of the regular season. Great to get the chance

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Speaker 2: to chat with Super Rugby Pacific chairman Kevin malloy. Kevin,

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Speaker 2: thanks for joining us on weekend Sport. Can we start

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Speaker 2: actually with the fact that all eleven teams are still

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Speaker 2: in finals contention? You know, real Jeopardy. How important is

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Speaker 2: it that as many teams as possible remain competitive and

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Speaker 2: remain in the playoff hunt as we enter the final

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Speaker 2: month of the competition?

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Speaker 3: Hey, look, is that is a key part of what

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Speaker 3: we're hoping to achieve at the competition this year. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Jeopardy is so important to the integrity of any competition.

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Speaker 3: So the fact that, as you say, we have all

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Speaker 3: eleven teams in contention at this stage is tremendous in

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Speaker 3: terms of, you know, going to keep fan interest. I've

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Speaker 3: actually been having a little glance towards the last round.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't help it, and Dee with lineups like Blues

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Speaker 3: versus Orators and Brumbies versus Crusaders, I can see this

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Speaker 3: thing coming down to the last week and the sixth

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Speaker 3: places not being sorted out into the final round, which

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Speaker 3: is fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Lots of things I want to discuss with you can.

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Speaker 2: We start with what's happening on the field, on the grass,

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Speaker 2: the way that the rugby is being played. How happy

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Speaker 2: are you with the rugby that we're seeing every weekend?

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Speaker 3: But we're delighted, obviously it's been. At the end of

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Speaker 3: the day, the rugby that's been played is the product

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Speaker 3: that we've got. Fundamentally, if we're getting great games like

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Speaker 3: we are, that's why it's going to keep the fans interested,

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Speaker 3: keep the crowds engaged, keep viewership up for us. And so,

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Speaker 3: you know, the things that we've tried to work on

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Speaker 3: tweaking the off side laws, ensuring that the just moves

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Speaker 3: along at a faster pace, seem to be working well

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Speaker 3: for us. And fair play to the teams and the

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Speaker 3: clubs have come to the party in the style of

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Speaker 3: the rugby that they're playing.

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Speaker 2: I guess there's something you can't really influence too much

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Speaker 2: as you watch on from you know, I guess around

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Speaker 2: the boardroom table, if we want to use a phrase

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Speaker 2: like that, you can encourage teams to play a certain way,

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Speaker 2: but are you really just in their hands as to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we largely are. But I think in the meetings

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Speaker 3: that is super rugby and the way that they want

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Speaker 3: we're putting on. And you know, we've had great conversations

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Speaker 2: Just on that. How happy are you with the way

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Speaker 3: Very happy? Big part of it isn't it. I mean,

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Speaker 3: So there's been a lot of dialogue with the officials

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Speaker 2: I guess you can look at a game and say, hey,

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Speaker 3: Yes, we are the stats around ball and playing and

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Speaker 3: everything surrounding that have definitely improved, and we're wondering those

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Speaker 2: You and I have also spoken about TMO involvement or

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Speaker 2: I guess as little really as as practical. Are those

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an ongoing conversation. The involvement in the TMO,

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Speaker 3: or if there is significant foul play that hasn't been

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Speaker 3: terms of the level of TMO involvement. So we're working

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Speaker 3: pretty hard to make sure the game is actually officiated

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Speaker 3: comes in and helps when it's appropriate, but it is

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Speaker 2: How are broadcast numbers for the competition this year?

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Speaker 3: Numbers are great, really healthy. We're up twelve percent here

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Speaker 3: that was up to a round eight. We're at thirty

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Speaker 3: indicative of how much better the Aussie teams are doing

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Speaker 2: What about crowd numbers spectators turning up to games, Kevin.

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Speaker 3: Our numbers are up, they're up here on a year,

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Speaker 3: but it's one area that I think we can we

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Speaker 3: as you know, competitive in these markets. We're in probably

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Speaker 3: tough economic times as well. There's a number of things

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Speaker 3: because yep, they're up, but they're not at the levels

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Speaker 2: We've got an afternoon game this afternoon in Dunedin. Are

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Speaker 3: Yes, we ideally are. And one of the things that

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Speaker 3: about things like taking games to the provinces, things that

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Speaker 3: I think could be just made the competition that much

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Speaker 2: And I guess in terms of the match day experience.

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Speaker 2: Does that lie largely in terms of responsibility with the

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Speaker 3: You're buying large that's something that the clubs drive themselves.

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Speaker 3: an entertainment package, and it's important that we're looking at

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Speaker 2: Speaking of fan engagement, Fantasy Super Rugby has been a

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Speaker 2: new innovation to help with that. I know the numbers

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Speaker 2: that I've seen are very healthy. You might be able

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Speaker 2: to give us some indication of just how many players

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Speaker 2: there are. My team isn't doing very well, but as

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Speaker 2: Fantasy Super Rugby worked in the way that you hoped

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can remember you and I talking about this

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Speaker 3: and that has proven to be the case. We're delighted

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Speaker 3: we're just under seventy thousand in terms of registrations. I

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Speaker 3: think the six Nations had about thirty thousand in their

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Speaker 3: potential growth for us next year. The moment the registrations

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Speaker 3: we can grow them quite significantly in Aussie And there's

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Speaker 3: But it's gone really well for us, and really importantly,

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Speaker 3: I think it's bringing in a sort of younger demographic

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Speaker 2: You mentioned crowd numbers as a work on any other

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Speaker 2: areas that you would like to see improvement in over time.

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Speaker 3: One of the things we've talked about quite a bit

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Speaker 3: again the following season. And I think it's important that

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Speaker 3: doing things just to keep it bubbling along. And so

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Speaker 3: for example, we've talked about the fact that there's a

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Speaker 3: continue to keep super abious, I say, bubbling along in

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Speaker 2: The NRL, of course, in the middle of their very

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Speaker 2: in Brucebane across this weekend. We had super Round in

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Speaker 2: Melbourne last year. Would you consider revisiting the concept of

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Speaker 2: super Round in the future.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, it's part of what we're talking about now.

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Speaker 3: In terms of the draw. We'd very much like to

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Speaker 3: get super Around back in the mix sits. There's a

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Speaker 3: and obviously there's financial considerations and considerations, but we're working

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Speaker 2: Fantastic. I know that would be a popular re edition

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Speaker 2: and we know that there won't be an eleventh sorry,

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Speaker 2: our twelfth team added in twenty twenty six. Are you

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Speaker 2: still keen to look at expansion though, Kevin, I.

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Speaker 3: Think you never say never on things like expansion. We're

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Speaker 3: always looking at the nature of the competition and how

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Speaker 3: it can be improved. I think also it's important that

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Speaker 3: sort of it's taken all sorts of iterations in recent years.

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Speaker 3: I think we need a degree of stability what we

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Speaker 3: are looking at actually twenty twenty eight. We're working quite

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Speaker 3: hard with our friends from the Northern Hemisphere at the

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Speaker 3: moment and reviewing the concept of this Will Club Cup

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Speaker 3: and whether or not we can get that up and running,

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Speaker 3: because I think in terms of where the competition goes

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Speaker 3: Cup would be pretty excited. You know the Crusaders knock

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Speaker 3: All of those sort of limitations would be I think

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Speaker 2: Absolutely agree. Well, it's an exciting competition up to this point.

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Speaker 2: As we enter the home straight, good luck picking who's

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Speaker 2: going to be in the top. So I think our

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Speaker 2: listeners will probably have a crack at it. But Kevin,

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Speaker 2: really appreciate your time and your accessibility this afternoon. All

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Speaker 2: the best for the rest of the Super Rugby season.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on Tonny.

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Speaker 2: Now, thank you, Kevin. Kevin malloy, there's Super Rugby Pacific

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