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Speaker 1: Heather due to see Ellen.

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Speaker 2: But it looks like North Carolina has fallen to Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: This is the first of the hotly contested battleground states.

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Speaker 2: It's been called by ap for him. Trump is so

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Speaker 2: far leading all other swing states bar Nevada, because counting

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Speaker 2: hasn't started the yet. Polster John Zogby has been watching

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Speaker 2: the numbers roll in all night and he's with.

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Speaker 1: Us A John, Yes, Hi, how are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm very well? Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: We just had Mark Gilbert from the Democrats on with

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Speaker 2: us about half an hour ago, arguing that there are

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Speaker 2: still paths to victory for Kamala Harris. Can you see them?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there is a path to victory. It is getting narrower,

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Speaker 1: to be honest with you. However, in terms of the

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Speaker 1: popular vote, which is still important California, the big Kahuna

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Speaker 1: has not been counted yet, and Joe Biden had a

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Speaker 1: five million vote differential there, so I would kind of

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Speaker 1: discount the widely that Donald Trump has in the popular vote.

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Speaker 1: But losing North Carolina was a major blow. I don't

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Speaker 1: know that the Harris folks were necessarily expecting to win

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Speaker 1: North Carolina, but it's a big state. Sixteen electoral votes,

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Speaker 1: and it now makes it a bit tougher for her

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Speaker 1: to win. Now where things stand, she needs to win

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Speaker 1: what we call the blue Wall Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania. Two

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Speaker 1: of those are real possibilities. That would be Wisconsin and Michigan.

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Speaker 1: But Pennsylvania. God knows when we're going to know about Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 2: I mean Pennsylvania. He's got a lead of fifty one

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Speaker 2: according to AP fifty one to her forty eight with

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Speaker 2: seventy nine percent of votes county. Can you see her

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Speaker 2: flipping that?

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Speaker 1: Well? You know, what we do know is that typically

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Speaker 1: in most states, the smaller rural counties have fewer votes

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Speaker 1: to count, and they get their votes in much more quickly.

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Speaker 1: It's the bigger cities in this instance, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: to some degree, Scranton and Allentown, smaller cities, but those

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Speaker 1: are democratic places, and their votes are are not entirely

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Speaker 1: in yet. Uh. And then there are the early votes,

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Speaker 1: the mandatory vote count and so I'm not betting on

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Speaker 1: anything right now, but it does look like a very

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Speaker 1: much more narrow path for Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 2: That Iowa poll that we got a few days ago,

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Speaker 2: that really sent a shockwave through the campaign. Can we

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Speaker 2: call that a rug now?

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Speaker 1: Well, we thought that it was going to be, you know,

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Speaker 1: where it was possible. That's a very good pollster. They're

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Speaker 1: really one of the platinum standards. Anne Seltzer who polls Iowa.

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Speaker 1: We do know that she revealed the women's vote was

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Speaker 1: heavily in favor of Donald of Kamala Harris, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of it had to do with abortion and fear

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Speaker 1: of a Trump presidency. We also know that the early

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Speaker 1: votes have not been counted yet and there was a

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Speaker 1: differential of eleven points more women voting in early votes

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Speaker 1: than men voting in early votes. So, in short, this

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Speaker 1: thing is not over yet.

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Speaker 2: When John, when would you say it's over? What is

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Speaker 2: the thing that you got? Okay, that's what I give up?

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Speaker 2: Trump wins.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I was looking closely at North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: But if there is a loss in Michigan for Kamala Harrison,

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be that may be a

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Speaker 1: bellweather at this point.

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Speaker 2: John, it's good to talk to you. Thank you very much.

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