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Speaker 1: To Mount Hot team. Principal Jack Saxon is back. Welcome back,

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Speaker 1: Thank you luck you've been on a twelve weeks sabbatical.

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Speaker 1: How'd your score this?

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Speaker 2: Well, principal are eligible after five years of principal ship.

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Speaker 2: So I just finished my eleventh year, but only six

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Speaker 2: at Mount Hot College.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's so yours is well over due, well

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Speaker 1: over due.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously I wasn't going to come to Mount Hot

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Speaker 2: College six years ago and ask them for a sabbatical.

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Speaker 2: I waited a few more years.

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Speaker 1: What sounds like, if anything, you've come back to school

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Speaker 1: for a break. It's been a busy twelve weeks. What

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Speaker 1: you been up to?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it was really busy. I started by going

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Speaker 2: down to Queenstown and having a ski and we bought

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Speaker 2: the Dunston Trail and that was kind of family oriented.

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Speaker 2: And then yeah, I went to the United States and

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Speaker 2: visited the University of San Diego looking at AI and education.

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Speaker 2: So there will absolutely eye opening. I'm a baseball fan,

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Speaker 2: so I watched a bit of baseball.

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Speaker 1: Who's the team that you chair on.

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Speaker 2: San Diego Padres, which they're not by the underdog, let's

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Speaker 2: just say that. So they obviously are right on the

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Speaker 2: so yeah, that's how I back. So yeah, watched a

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Speaker 2: couple of the Air Games, and yeah, I've got Thailand

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Speaker 2: and Singapore, Japan, and that was a mix of rejuvenation

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Speaker 2: and quite a bit of business in there. So Singapore

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Speaker 2: was visiting the Institute of Technology and they've got an

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Speaker 2: amazing educational leadership program that develops really strong senior leaders

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Speaker 2: in schools, so I had a look at that, and

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Speaker 2: then Thailand was visiting agents and schools that we have

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Speaker 2: relationships with, and Japan was visiting our sister school and

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Speaker 2: pretty much doing the trip that our year nine and

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Speaker 2: ten students will do next year. So oh Nia, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we run we run two trips, a Southeast Asia trip

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Speaker 2: that goes to Southeast Asian countries every two years, and

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Speaker 2: next year for the first time, so that's that focuses

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Speaker 2: on things. You're eleven to thirteens, and at the same

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Speaker 2: time or the first time ever is our traditional Japan Exchange,

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Speaker 2: So we go to a sister school and other places

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Speaker 2: in Japan and they are actually happening at the same

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Speaker 2: time next year, but that's our year nine to ten students.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, next year will be the eighteenth year of

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Speaker 2: their relationship, so it'll be the Yeah, we've definitely been

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Speaker 2: over there a few times. And as you know, we're

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Speaker 2: treated like royalty by our sister school and the town.

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Speaker 2: So the town's Shinhansen and the school's Yumagoka, so we

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Speaker 2: are Yeah, like the way that they treat us as

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Speaker 2: like really amazing.

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Speaker 1: What a hook to get students involved with the languages.

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Speaker 1: I think the greatest school trip that I was ever

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Speaker 1: lucky enough to go on Principal Jack was to christ

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Speaker 1: Churchill Peel Forest.

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Speaker 2: Yep, no, we're basically in the same must be in

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Speaker 2: the same generation.

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Speaker 1: Hey, so, Principal Jack back to the San Diego stop

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Speaker 1: ron Burgundy Country and the AI. I'm king to dive

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Speaker 1: a little deeper into that. Was it about understanding the

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Speaker 1: harm that many people are saying is coming from AI

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Speaker 1: or understanding what the heck it actually is? In the

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Speaker 1: first place, this was more.

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Speaker 2: Focused on, you know, in the education, and you'll see

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Speaker 2: at the moment with the curriculum changes and for decades,

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Speaker 2: we've just had more stuff heaped on and AI is

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Speaker 2: probably the first opportunity as educators, leaders, teachers to increase

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Speaker 2: efficiencies by utilizing AI as at all. But yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean all of the anxiety around you know, how do

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Speaker 2: how do we educate students around the responsible ethical use

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Speaker 2: of AI? And we're not getting a lot because obviously

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Speaker 2: everyone's playing catch up. It's like when the Internet exploded.

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Speaker 2: We're not getting a lot of frameworks or guidance from

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Speaker 2: the ministry at the moment. So and that that obviously

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Speaker 2: in slightly different directions. Yeah, so it's I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: a complex space. But I was walking at it through

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Speaker 1: And how can it improve how you do your work?

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Speaker 1: How can it be for good?

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Speaker 2: It can be pretty amazing. I mean, for example, like

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Speaker 2: the curriculum refresh, I was seven months, seven months of

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Speaker 1: Podcast on no Way, So as you're driving home on

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Speaker 1: the Bluetooth, you can be listening to all the stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And if I'd have done that myself, you know,

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Speaker 2: traditionally two years ago, that probably would have been weeks

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Speaker 2: but I mean, yeah, obviously there are some real risks

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right on, is there anything else neat that others,

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Speaker 1: schools and educators already doing with AI? Like I've heard that,

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Speaker 1: but I've heard that there's some that have got AI

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so the example I was, you know,

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Speaker 2: and so our egg culture teacher, we've had all these

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Speaker 2: So it creates a blueprint really fast, and then you've

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Speaker 1: So from your trip and what you've gained, are you

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Speaker 2: Oh? Probably a bit of both, to be honest with Luke, like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that that really changes the trajectory of human kind. We

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Speaker 2: the community and for teachers. But we've got teachers that

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Speaker 1: What an incredible level of two. I don't think we've

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Speaker 1: ever seen something like this in recent memory where Mount

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Speaker 1: nowhere geographically for a lot of people, has the same

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's pretty amazing. And you did right, Like

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Speaker 2: more benefits these days, isn't there than negative. We're no

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Speaker 2: longer isolated. We're very connected and actually, you know, the

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Speaker 2: students from Mid Canterbury, they've got really solid foundations to

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Speaker 1: Often when you go away, Principal Jack, either someone else

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Speaker 1: ends up taking your job or you're inspired to move

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Speaker 1: on yourself as any of that happening, are you? Do

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, no, I love mid Canabury. I've had, like

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Speaker 2: I absolutely love now Art College in the community. I'm

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Speaker 2: not going anywhere. I'm very, very appreciative of Jess McConnell,

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Speaker 2: and my staff. But yeah, I've got young children, mate,

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Speaker 1: It's not often you come back in your office as

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Speaker 2: It's in a much higherer state than when I left.

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Speaker 1: You do you feel like you've missed much? For instance,

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Speaker 2: Oh? Well, you know who wants to try and follow

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Speaker 2: Team Lingo. They've created a new language this generation. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're the generational Lingo. I think I've been missing that

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Speaker 1: Okay, twelve weeks hasn't affected too much a traditionalist was

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Speaker 1: something that you've come back to. No doubt you're familiar

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Speaker 1: with exams at the moment. How are your students fearing, Well, it's.

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Speaker 2: there haven't been any significant technical issues or you know,

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Speaker 2: I can't even remember what the exam was, but it

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Speaker 2: trying to, you know, navigate around that challenge. So I

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Speaker 2: think the students are in reasonably good spirits. Our year

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Speaker 2: We're just we've semesterized Year eleven. So one of the

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Speaker 1: Hey, So just to finish up exciting times on your return.

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Speaker 1: I drove past the other day last week. We were

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Speaker 1: is the new trades hub. What's going on here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's been three years in the making, so

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Speaker 2: a million dollar projects includes a greenhouse, glasshouse, to teaching spaces,

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Speaker 2: the best possible price. So it's an update. So Thursday

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Speaker 1: Steps there that's village hospitality at its finest. Hey Fair

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Speaker 1: to have you back, Principal Jack Saxon, Thanks Luke,