1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:01,920 Speaker 1: Now, as we just discussed a little bit earlier, there 2 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:04,519 Speaker 1: are calls for bans after the death of that Parmeston 3 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: North boy in a private run at style event. Police 4 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: have said they're not going to be launching a criminal investigation. 5 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: Matthew Goodwin is a criminal lawyer at Goodwin Law Home. 6 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 2: Matt Hi there, how are you, Heather? 7 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: Very well? Thank you? Now are you surprised at all 8 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: that the cops are not launching a criminal investigation? 9 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: Yes, i am. I think the decision not to investigates 10 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 2: being made very quickly and it doesn't seem to have 11 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: regard to pets all of the surrounding issues that need 12 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 2: to be looked at. I think the first thing that 13 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 2: surprised me about your interview with District Commander Grantham last 14 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 2: night was the issue of what caused Brian's death. You 15 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: asked them what the deceased or Ryan Sethwaite had banged 16 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: his head into, and District Commander Grentham said he hadn't 17 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: banged his head into anything solid. It was the movement 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 2: of his head. You asked whether that sounded like whiplash 19 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: and he said, well, he wasn't a doctor, so he 20 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 2: couldn't comment. On that, So there appears to be some uncertainty, 21 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 2: at least on behalf of the police, as to what 22 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: the basic mechanics of causation were of the death. You 23 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: would think that if you would think if his head 24 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 2: moved back in a rapid and forceful motion, that it 25 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 2: must have come into collision with some part of his opponent. 26 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: So that doesn't seem to have been clearly acknowledged or 27 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: perhaps explored by the police. 28 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: So from what I understand that they are going to investigate, 29 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: but only in order to assist the coroner. Right if 30 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: they went down the path of a criminal investigation, then 31 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: that would be because they think somebody should be changed. 32 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: And do you think somebody should be charged or that 33 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: should even be a consideration here. 34 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: I don't think it's easy for us, without knowing all 35 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: of the facts to be able to say whether somebody 36 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: should be charged in the situation, and the police will 37 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: have more effects than us, or at least have more 38 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 2: access to investigated tools to work that out. Having said that, though, 39 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: it does seem a situation where both people have participated 40 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: in this have basically gone run along a certain track 41 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: or distance and both body messes colliding with each other. 42 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: And you would think that most people would realize that 43 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: there's a serious risk of bodily injury or possibly even 44 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: death if that was to occur, and so in assuming 45 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 2: that risk, and I think the question is whether whether 46 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: that's something that's acceptable, whether it whether it can be 47 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 2: regarded as a sport, whether there are enough rules, And 48 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 2: if there aren't enough rules or guidelines, or one of 49 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: the participants moves outside of the rules, then we've got 50 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 2: a real problem here. I think we've got potentially criminal liability. 51 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: And if it's just in the backyard where in this case, 52 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 2: I think the morning after twenty first and some young 53 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 2: lads have decided to give it a go, then that 54 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: seems to be assuming an awful amount of risk, awful 55 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 2: lot of risk, And one would expect that there are 56 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: under safeguards that there might be in something a little 57 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 2: bit better organized. There isn't going to be a medical 58 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 2: on the sideline, There isn't going to be a referee. 59 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: There may not be sensible decisions being made about whether 60 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 2: the two people are in a fit condition to actually 61 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: do this on the morning after twenty first, when they 62 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: might still be suffering the effects of a hard night 63 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: on the on the alcohol, so there seemed to be 64 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 2: all the sort of I suppose, all the trappings and 65 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: dangers of something that could go wrong, which is what's 66 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 2: been forecasted by medical experts I thinks for the last 67 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 2: few weeks. 68 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, Matt, thanks very much for talking us through. That's 69 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: Matt Goodwin, criminal lawyer. 70 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplessy, Allen Drive, listen live to 71 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 2: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 72 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.