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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from Newstalk zed B.

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Speaker 2: Twenty seven games for the All Blacks during one of

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Speaker 2: our most successful periods back into the eighties. Then over

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Speaker 2: two hundred top level games of rugby league for Wigan,

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Speaker 2: the Warriors, Castleford, several games for the Keywi was as well, Fronobodka,

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Speaker 2: How are you mate?

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Speaker 3: One of us made.

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Speaker 2: Very good thanks. Were you involved in an All Blacks

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Speaker 2: reunion of sorts over the last few days?

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Speaker 3: I certainly was. Yes, it was very good too.

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Speaker 2: That's gonna say. How were the stories? How are the stories?

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Speaker 2: And who was telling most of them?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Charles Reichelman likes to tell a few stories. You know,

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Speaker 3: He's always good for that. Otherwise we all reminisce and

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Speaker 3: stretch the stories we all.

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Speaker 2: Know brilliant love it. Just before we get onto what

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Speaker 2: happened last night? That team, that All Blacks team of

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Speaker 2: the late eighties. You were led by Buck Shelford, unbeaten

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Speaker 2: from what eighty seven right through to the first bit

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Speaker 2: of No. Nineteen ninety? What was it like being in

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Speaker 2: that team?

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Speaker 3: It was amazing, you know. Look, I was for a

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Speaker 3: lot large period of that I was always on the bench,

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Speaker 3: you know, but being part of it was was awesome.

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Speaker 3: Certainly wouldn't take it. I have fond memories or memories

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Speaker 3: of it which I won't forget, you know. You know,

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Speaker 3: sure I would have liked to have played more games,

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Speaker 3: but you know it was it was a very competitive

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Speaker 3: team with a lot of good players who were sitting

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Speaker 3: on the bench as well, So you will never forget that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love watching that team. And as you say,

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Speaker 2: you just need a grant fox or pull a hamstring

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Speaker 2: or two. Didn't you and you would have got more games,

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Speaker 2: But watching those you know.

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Speaker 3: Good to be very di deserve to be in front

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Speaker 3: of me.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of people just like the

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Speaker 2: way you played the game, and we saw we saw

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Speaker 2: it mainly on those those tours where you played midweek games,

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Speaker 2: and and yeah, we're just anyway, we don't want to

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Speaker 2: remin us too much. You've been doing that over the

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Speaker 2: last week or so, so let's move to the present day.

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Speaker 2: What did you make of the win last night by

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Speaker 2: the All Blacks over the spring Box.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was It's exactly what we needed. I

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Speaker 3: think that most of us were of the same opinion

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Speaker 3: that it was going to be a tough game. It

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Speaker 3: was always going to be a close game, and there

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Speaker 3: would be some small mistakes that would cost either side.

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Speaker 3: You know. Unfortunately, we got off to a fantastic start

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Speaker 3: and managed to hold on there. But then we also

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Speaker 3: could have lost it in those last few minutes if

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Speaker 3: it wasn't for our our savior of h Savia. You know,

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Speaker 3: he pulled out, he pulled something out of the out

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Speaker 3: of the bag by stealing their ball, and and you know,

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Speaker 3: they could have been a drawer.

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Speaker 2: What do you make of box kicking? Franto and and

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Speaker 2: and teams using it quite regularly. Now a lot of

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Speaker 2: our listeners are big fans of the box kick, what

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Speaker 2: about you?

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Speaker 3: No, no, I'm not. It's not quite a bit. It's

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Speaker 3: every time. And obviously this spring boxer a lot better

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Speaker 3: with the ball in the end than we are, and

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Speaker 3: they're probably better than any other team in the in

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Speaker 3: the world. You know, there are a couple of times

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Speaker 3: in the game where I thought we you know, we

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Speaker 3: got to turnover ball. One was in our own twenty

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Speaker 3: two and they had like three or four big forwards

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Speaker 3: behind the scrub and a couple of backs out wider

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Speaker 3: when we and those are the sort of opportunities that

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Speaker 3: we need to look at, whether it's at that level

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Speaker 3: or not, and go, well, the chances of us breaking

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Speaker 3: here are pretty good and if if not then we'll

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Speaker 3: get tackled. We'll secure the try and secure the ball

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Speaker 3: and then kick it. But but they should you know,

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Speaker 3: this is my own opinion, but they should actually look

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Speaker 3: then then then try something else. But yeah, I mean

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Speaker 3: the French, for example, do a lot of those little

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Speaker 3: you know it's done well. They're very effective.

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Speaker 2: What about under the high ball as a as a

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Speaker 2: a lot of high kicks in both codes. What what

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Speaker 2: what are the main things you need to do well

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Speaker 2: to be good as a defender under the high ball?

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Speaker 3: Well, obviously you need to keep your eye on the ball.

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Speaker 3: It depends how much momentum you have coming into the ball.

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Speaker 3: If you're standing there and trying to jump, then the

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Speaker 3: person running at you and and jumping is always going

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Speaker 3: to get higher. Or add one more mean to towards

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Speaker 3: the ball than you are, so it's tricky, and especially

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Speaker 3: if you're a little fuller, it makes it a lot harder.

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Speaker 3: You've got to time it so that you can run

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Speaker 2: You know, you you got to keep your eye on

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Speaker 2: the ball, it.

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Speaker 3: Seems would I would say, well, although I was I

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Speaker 3: had the opportunity to catch a number of balls, I

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Speaker 3: wouldn't say I was the greatest. We didn't practice as

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Speaker 3: much as they do these days to catch it. So

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Speaker 3: I've got an excuse. I didn't practice as much those fellows.

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Speaker 3: But these fellow's got nothing else to do training, get

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Speaker 2: You must say. You keep on the ball. That's very

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Speaker 2: good advice. But but when they when you got guys

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Speaker 2: hearing at you at you know, we're just waiting for

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Speaker 2: you to catch it, hit the ground and then they're

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Speaker 2: gonna bang hit. Yeah, you must have a wee. Look

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Speaker 2: do you to see these guys coming?

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Speaker 3: You're the ones who have a wee? Look? Are the

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Speaker 3: ones who drop it? Love it?

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Speaker 2: Hey?

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Speaker 3: I mean look, last night was hard. It was it

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Speaker 3: was flippery. You know, the rain came in. We were

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Speaker 3: hoping the rain. I was yesterday morning, sitting at home

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Speaker 3: continues to rain, I don't know whether I'll be going

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Speaker 2: It was good to have you there. Do you find

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Speaker 2: yourself watching more rugby union or rugby league these days?

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Speaker 3: These days I watched I watch. I'm a bit of

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Speaker 3: a sports stuff, you know. I like to watch all sports,

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Speaker 3: and because of that, I watch a lot of highlights

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Speaker 3: just because like otherwise, otherwise you could spend the whole

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Speaker 3: so I would say I watch. I watched the highlights

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Speaker 3: probably half of the IT and Cup stuff. Obviously I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you say you could spend the whole weekend

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Speaker 2: on the couches though? That's a bad thing, you know.

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Speaker 3: Oh well you knows. Gives me to about nine o'clock.

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to have editing for this by nine

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Speaker 3: and then you know, so you know I'm under I'm

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Speaker 3: under pressure. Yeah, under the I get over watching too

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Speaker 3: much rugby or too much league, you know. I just

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Speaker 2: Are you doing any coaching?

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Speaker 3: No? No, I finished coaching two years ago. I just

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Speaker 3: coached for north Shore for about ten years. So that

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Speaker 2: So what are you doing to stay foot and active now?

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Speaker 3: At the moment, I'm not a lot. I do do

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Speaker 3: two of the missus wakes really like little things and

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Speaker 3: just do a whole lot of high repetition stuff. But

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Speaker 3: I was never won for waights anyway. Not my cup

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Speaker 3: of tea, I thought, you know, no, I don't like gym's.

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Speaker 3: I only went to gym. I only went to gym

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Speaker 3: because I got told I had to stuff. As soon

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Speaker 2: What was it lot you must have when you were

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Speaker 2: playing league though over in the UK? That would have

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Speaker 2: you? Wo had been in the gym a lot over there,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah I was. I had to be and I

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Speaker 3: had a you know, I used to get pushed around

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Speaker 3: when I got to Wigan Dean Bells, I remember him

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Speaker 3: saying that you're pathetic when I when when I first

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Speaker 3: your country down. You need a help. So he took

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Speaker 3: so I could do it properly.

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Speaker 2: Good man, Well, I'm glad you have a great You've

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Speaker 2: had a great weekend. I'm sure the stories went long

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Speaker 2: until last night, and that you made the game as well.

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Speaker 2: A little bit of rain didn't keep you away front.

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Speaker 2: It great to chat to your mate. I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 2: I remember, well those teams are the you know obviously

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people wanted you to get

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Speaker 2: more of a crack than you did in that teen Jumper,

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Speaker 2: but as you say with Foxy there, it's a bit difficult.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, memory, I always wish i'd got a little

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Speaker 2: To just move on and the good The chant here Fronto.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking our call mate.

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Speaker 3: Cheers, Bundy, all the best.

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Speaker 2: Front of Bodica, the one and only. What a player, man,

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Speaker 2: what a player? He kind of redefined first five play

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Speaker 2: around that time, most first fives at that time. I'm

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Speaker 2: not telling you anything, you don't already know what we're like.

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Speaker 2: Grant Fox, you know, and Grant Fox absolutely magnificent player,

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Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, But Franto was just a bit

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Speaker 2: He was more. I guess it was the Carlos Spencer

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Speaker 2: didn't know what he was going to do at first five.

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Speaker 2: You know, he was as likely to run as he

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Speaker 2: was to kick. If he saw something, even a half chance,

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Speaker 2: he'd go for it. An interesting We're not interested. Not

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Speaker 2: surprising that he still thinks the same. There is you know,

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Speaker 2: have a go, have a crack. I know it's not

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Speaker 2: always possible, but yeah, Frontobodica One and only.

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