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Speaker 2: Hello you, great New Zealanders, Welcome to the Mantain Tyler

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Speaker 2: Afternoons podcast. Rubbish show today, but there were some highlights.

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Speaker 2: There were some bits that were okay, but big weekend

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Speaker 2: down at the BFS, so you coming back a bit

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Speaker 2: but good chat about marijuana and it's in a study

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Speaker 2: that found that it stops people drinking so much.

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Speaker 3: Got pretty deep. Some people rang up who had real

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Speaker 3: addictions to cannabis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. It's always it's always interesting but heartbreaking

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Speaker 2: to talk to people about their addictions. And we had

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Speaker 2: some great chats there. And also we went deep into

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Speaker 2: Christmas trees as well, which is early. I think it's

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Speaker 2: a bit early. It was a bit early for the

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Speaker 2: Christmas tree chat in November.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think both of us love a Christmas tree,

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Speaker 3: but some concern about money yep, spent on Christmas trees yep.

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Speaker 2: And then it was the the we end with some

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Speaker 2: chat about some bad boys and bad girls of sport.

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Speaker 2: So I hope you enjoy the next two hours, not

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Speaker 2: our greatest show.

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Speaker 3: Well and listen out for matt tells a great story

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Speaker 3: about tramad all that's well worth listening for.

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Speaker 2: Get on the tram train. It's a good time. No no, no,

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Speaker 2: no no. It was a terrible, terrible, terrible time, terrible

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Speaker 2: time for me. It's a good time for a while.

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Speaker 2: We've been getting off it's not great. All right, Okay

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Speaker 2: you seen Busie. Will let you listen to the podcast,

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Speaker 2: give me a taste a key.

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Speaker 1: We your new home for insightful and enter teening talk.

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Speaker 1: It's Mattie and Tyler Adams afternoons on news Talk.

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Speaker 2: Zebbie.

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Speaker 3: Well, good afternoon to you. Welcome in to Monday. You're

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Speaker 3: listening to Matton Tyler. We're here until four pm. Get

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Speaker 3: our mets A Tyler.

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Speaker 2: I tell you what. The Dunedin Craft Beer and Food

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Speaker 2: Festival is a good time my bed. It was. I

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Speaker 2: was there across the weekend and look think to all

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Speaker 2: the people that came up and said nice things about

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Speaker 2: the Mett and Tyler show and thank you still the

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Speaker 2: vendors with the delicious beers that I sampled.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how many people were there at the fest. It

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Speaker 3: looked like it was full to the brim.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's old. I'm not sure how many how many

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Speaker 2: people go maybe eight thousand, yeah, eight thousand of cross

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Speaker 2: It goes two days, so there's two sessions on the

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Speaker 3: And what time did you finish up?

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Speaker 2: Well, it starts early on the Saturday, so it starts

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Speaker 2: at midday, so it sort of finishes up at seven.

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Speaker 3: Oh there's good.

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Speaker 2: Yes, good. And then I dropped into Emerson's for a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very good. Right onto the show today after three o'clock,

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Speaker 3: we're going to chat about the All Blacks, or one

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ricca Yoanni who who has been doing a little

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Speaker 2: Do we like our do we like our bad boys

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Speaker 2: of sport and bad girls of sport? Does it provide

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Speaker 2: So to get Ricca you only to lead the hacker,

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Speaker 2: was a really it was. It was a cool moment

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Speaker 3: But it's you know, people are invested in it. And

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Speaker 3: I thought it was a master stroke by Rico that

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Speaker 2: I mean, we would hate him and the Irish bowed

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Speaker 3: Yeah, George Gregan, four more years boys, great moment. Great

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's after three o'clock. That's going to be a

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Speaker 3: The problem is this tree costs one point two million dollars.

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Speaker 2: How come things cost so much more than you can

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Speaker 2: and it is a spectacular tree. Yeah, And I love Christmas,

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Speaker 2: it's a fantastic thing. But if I look at that

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Speaker 3: You're torn on how much do you think you could

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it'll look if the last twenty years,

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Speaker 2: we need need something. But this Christmas tree for one

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Speaker 2: point two million, that better last twenty five years. Okay,

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Speaker 3: There's going to be a good discussion after two o'clock.

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Speaker 3: But right now, let's have a chat about legalizing cannabis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as we're saying before, a study, say sixty percent

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I don't know. I think there's two things

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Speaker 3: decriminalizing I think we kind of tiptoe over that in

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Speaker 3: And it was very very close when we had the

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Speaker 3: But is it time on the back of the study

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Speaker 3: at how we legalize or make illegal cannabis in New Zealand? Oh,

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Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 3: Nine two niney two is the text number. It is

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 3: It is seventeen past one and we're talking about cannabis

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Speaker 3: on the back of a new study that says sixty

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Speaker 3: makes them drink less love the word weed, isn't it

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Speaker 2: That wasn't what the word was used in the study

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Speaker 2: that however, writ it down on your notes there, I've

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Speaker 3: So do we perhaps need to review our cannabis legislation

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Speaker 3: in light of this research that on a cost benefit

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Is that a good thing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And when you look at that, cannabis as the

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Speaker 2: ninth most dangerous substance or legal substance according to a

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Speaker 2: Greg? How are you boys?

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Speaker 7: Well, what I think doesn't really matter. But really, because

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well just just on your first point, Greg, and

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Speaker 2: It was the wrong question. It was it was, it was.

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Speaker 7: I think it would have been a completely different story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean New Zealand legalize the medical cannabis in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Greg, thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 9: You you know? Just goodness, No, I'm actually boring. If

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Speaker 9: I think that a lot of people they use it

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Speaker 9: the stuff I reckon, you know, for another referee. And

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Speaker 9: what they should do is they say it's cost a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't necessarily have to be a referendum. A

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Speaker 9: Yeah, no, that's that's my point.

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Speaker 10: If you I reckon, you make it, legalize it and

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Speaker 9: People have spoke it for a long time. Marijuana.

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Speaker 2: We all know that.

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Speaker 9: So the companies, well they accept that. So we're just

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, But I mean I also think it's not

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Speaker 2: And it's a cliche that everyone throws out there that

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Speaker 3: They're not reading books high on cannabis, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: O one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough question into the news speakers the make

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Speaker 11: There's protest which may or may not turn out to

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Speaker 12: The organized as well in advance is a commitment by

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Speaker 11: Have you had a word with David Seymour, Because of

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Speaker 11: course you're in charge of this and this is something

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Speaker 12: Are you talking about the Trees Principles, Well, I mean yeah.

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Speaker 12: Well, yes, so it's just related to the treaties principle

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Speaker 3: ZB twenty six past one.

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Speaker 2: Whole heap of calls and texts coming through on this

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Speaker 2: issue around cannabis. Kind of it's becoming cannabis versus alcohol,

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Speaker 2: a match, Josh, how are you yeah?

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Speaker 5: Five stone guys will bull a sandwich hey, heah. This

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Speaker 5: No problems. You smoke a joint in three weeks before that,

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Speaker 5: bringing urine tests your toast. So I'd like to see

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Speaker 5: more rigorous testing, Like can they tell if you're stone

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: What they do in their own times up to them. However,

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Speaker 5: some some employers will be like, holy shit, Like one

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know. Yeah, it's interesting one, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: But you definitely can be stoned over where you're you know,

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Speaker 3: Suppose it's determinant Josh on the job, right that if

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Speaker 5: I think we can do more work around that. Like obviously,

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Speaker 5: Being deemed unemployable because they did failer test at one point,

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Speaker 3: I agree. I think that your tests, you know, that's

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Speaker 2: Right, good y arm boys, Yeah, hey, thanks you cool

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Speaker 3: One hundred ten eighty is a number to call. Nine

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Speaker 14: Flats in Stokes Valley. Pressure is mounting on the speaker

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Speaker 14: to reverse blocking journalist Aaron Smail from covering tomorrow's State

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylene, twenty seven to two.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about cannabis and the impact it has on

446
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Speaker 2: the consumption of alcohol and methnphetamine. According to a new study,

447
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Speaker 2: the more cannabis you smoke, the less alcohol you drink,

448
00:21:53,573 --> 00:21:56,013
Speaker 2: and the less myth you take. Well, that's actually a

449
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Speaker 2: very simple, massive supplication of a very very complex study.

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Speaker 2: Few techs coming through here, Matt Tyler on the back

451
00:22:02,493 --> 00:22:05,413
Speaker 2: end of a bond during work might make this show

452
00:22:05,453 --> 00:22:08,973
Speaker 2: more interesting. It's tried as a scientific experiment and see

453
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Speaker 2: what happens there. And another Texas on nine two nine

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Speaker 2: two says, you just need to be aware. If it's legal,

455
00:22:15,373 --> 00:22:19,173
Speaker 2: then it's for everyone from plumbers to brain surgeons to teachers.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about that because you know, alcohol is legal,

457
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Speaker 2: but you're not going to keep your job if you

458
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Speaker 2: keep turning up to work drunk. You No, no, not

459
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Speaker 2: so cannabis could be legal, but would be within the

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Speaker 2: rights of employees to demand that you're not stoned while

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Speaker 2: you're performing heart surgery.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Jay, How are you hi?

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Speaker 15: Hey, I need to meet you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much for giving us a buzz.

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Speaker 3: So you are fairly young, and you have recently been

466
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Speaker 3: prescribed medical cannabis. Is that right?

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Speaker 13: Yeah?

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Speaker 15: So I'm a medicinal cannabis user. I have a disability

469
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Speaker 15: which I am prescribed for. I also deal with Anxietian

470
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Speaker 15: depression and have ADHD, and my symptoms of that have

471
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Speaker 15: been greatly improved by medicinal cannabis.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, hey Ja, what was the process of getting

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Speaker 2: yourself registered to be able to purchase medical marijuana?

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Speaker 13: Yeah?

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Speaker 15: I actually think people would be quite surprised that it's

476
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Speaker 15: actually a lot more accessible than perhaps people make it.

477
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Speaker 2: Out to be.

478
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Speaker 15: I'm in a specific situation where I have a pre

479
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Speaker 15: existing disability, a physical disability that I've had since I

480
00:23:34,133 --> 00:23:37,213
Speaker 15: was maybe three years old, which is one of those

481
00:23:37,253 --> 00:23:43,292
Speaker 15: kind of disabilities where I'm effectively rendered Like, I know,

482
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Speaker 15: my body doesn't work in the right way, and it

483
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Speaker 15: is one of those disabilities where with cannabis, I have

484
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Speaker 15: the ability to function like a normal, able bodied person

485
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Speaker 15: because of it. And because of that, I am able

486
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Speaker 15: to go to words, and I am able to do

487
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Speaker 15: my job, and because of that, I am able to

488
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Speaker 15: have participate in society.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 15: It's like I've spent seventeen years of my life to say,

491
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Speaker 15: on all of the drugs possible, like chemotherapy, I'm one

492
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Speaker 15: of those patients that like is on chemotherapy drugs whilst

493
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Speaker 15: using like medicinal marijuana in this way, and yeah, it's

494
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Speaker 15: completely life changing.

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Speaker 2: Now, ju, if you don't mind me asking, and don't

496
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Speaker 2: answer this question, you don't, You don't have to if

497
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Speaker 2: you don't want to. But what what are the details

498
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Speaker 2: of your disciplinability?

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Speaker 15: Yeah? So I have rheumatoid arthritis, which I guess a

500
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Speaker 15: lot of Yeah, a lot of people I suppose familiar with.

501
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Speaker 15: I mean, well, kid, I always joked that either your

502
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Speaker 15: grandparent or your dog had it, But no, I was

503
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Speaker 15: an eleven year old was it instead?

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Speaker 2: And and then and then and the cannabis makes your

505
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Speaker 2: life functional? Like what how much does it make it

506
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Speaker 2: completely functional or.

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Speaker 15: Just yeah, so it's it's because the thing is I mean,

508
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Speaker 15: it's it's funny. I kind of actually called because of

509
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Speaker 15: the kind of South Park quote that you mentioned, just

510
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Speaker 15: because I think that's definitely a take that a lot

511
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Speaker 15: of people have, is like, oh, it just makes you

512
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Speaker 15: lazy in that way with medicinal cannabis, people are able

513
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Speaker 15: to access medical advice from doctors. When they're accessing medicinal cannabis.

514
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Speaker 15: They don't just ask about if you're disabled and then

515
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Speaker 15: hands you over a little bag you weed like it

516
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Speaker 15: is completely It is a completely different situation that the

517
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Speaker 15: general public are not privy to, Like they really think

518
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Speaker 15: that people are just handing out like baggies left and right.

519
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Speaker 15: It's like, no, it's like the way I specifically take

520
00:25:48,933 --> 00:25:52,773
Speaker 15: it is through an oil, which is a tincture that

521
00:25:53,293 --> 00:25:55,973
Speaker 15: I have to leave sitting under my tongue. It's like, yes,

522
00:25:56,053 --> 00:25:59,253
Speaker 15: you can get prescribed flour and bud in that way,

523
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Speaker 15: but there's so many different realms of it. I suppose

524
00:26:05,893 --> 00:26:08,773
Speaker 15: there's so many different ways to access it. Hose, the

525
00:26:08,853 --> 00:26:11,853
Speaker 15: New Zealand market is always growing in that regard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think it'd be a very cruel person

527
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Speaker 2: that would think that you shouldn't have access to medical

528
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Speaker 2: marijuana if it helps you with your situation. And of

529
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Speaker 2: course New Zealand legalized the use of medical cannabis in

530
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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen on the strict regulations. What's your thought about cannabis, Jay,

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Speaker 2: outside of medical cannabis, would you support the decriminalization of

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Speaker 2: across the board.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, it's like I politically agree with it in the

534
00:26:44,693 --> 00:26:49,413
Speaker 15: way that it very much negates a lot of I

535
00:26:49,453 --> 00:26:52,973
Speaker 15: mean exactly what the report that you've been talking about

536
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Speaker 15: has been saying. It very much reduces a lot of

537
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Speaker 15: people's alcohol consumption and consumption of other drugs. And as

538
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Speaker 15: someone who is in those circles and those people like that,

539
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Speaker 15: I can definitely say that the effect of medical marijuana

540
00:27:09,093 --> 00:27:16,613
Speaker 15: within those communities is so important to be able to access. Like, yes,

541
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Speaker 15: this is a medicine, and many people use this as

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Speaker 15: a medicine, such as myself, but there are many people

543
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Speaker 15: that use it in ways that are less medicinal in

544
00:27:26,813 --> 00:27:30,853
Speaker 15: that regard, and then having access to a doctor with

545
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Speaker 15: the information and having that drug prescribed and regulated is

546
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Speaker 15: so much more. That's just infinitely safer than any sort

547
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Speaker 15: of black market.

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Speaker 3: Did you mention and it's great to check with you, Jay,

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00:27:43,933 --> 00:27:46,413
Speaker 3: did you mention before that you've had or you currently

550
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Speaker 3: have some mental health issues?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, I do. I would say I had them,

552
00:27:52,973 --> 00:27:58,573
Speaker 15: like I'm very well prescribed for them beyond medicinal cannabis.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I suppose My follow up question to that

554
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Speaker 3: is because you know a lot of people have them

555
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Speaker 3: in society and we want, we want medicine to be

556
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Speaker 3: able to help those people. But did you have greater

557
00:28:09,013 --> 00:28:12,013
Speaker 3: safeguards in place where the extra medical people that came

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Speaker 3: into the into the situation then when you ask for

559
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Speaker 3: medicinal cannabis, but you had those mental health issues as well, Like.

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Speaker 15: Was the mental health specialists who asked about my medical use?

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Speaker 15: Do you mean that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, there was a dedicated doctor to assess that side,

563
00:28:29,693 --> 00:28:31,533
Speaker 3: but rather than the physical just the physical.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, so that's I worked through with my personal therapist.

565
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Speaker 15: But it's different for everybody with the medicinal prescription, Like

566
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Speaker 15: you can go and see a doctor who was able

567
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Speaker 15: to prescribe these things. You can go to your GP

568
00:28:49,413 --> 00:28:52,893
Speaker 15: and ask for these things for depression, for anxiety, for

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Speaker 15: adhd yeh, Like it's an accessible thing if you have

570
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Speaker 15: that information.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and because of course it can help some people

572
00:29:02,333 --> 00:29:05,413
Speaker 2: and be very bad for other people's mental health. So

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Speaker 2: it's you know, I guess that's something you'd want some

574
00:29:09,173 --> 00:29:11,453
Speaker 2: advice on. But hey, thank you so much for your call. Jay.

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Speaker 2: It's very interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighties and i'mber

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Speaker 3: to call love to hear your thoughts. It is nineteen

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Speaker 3: It is sixteen minutes to two.

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Speaker 2: Essentially because we're talking about cannabis and alcohol and a

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00:29:35,733 --> 00:29:39,533
Speaker 2: study that's found out that sixty percent of people responds

585
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Speaker 2: to the study that drank drank less when they were

586
00:29:44,173 --> 00:29:47,893
Speaker 2: smoking cannabis, and the similar results for people on myth

587
00:29:47,933 --> 00:29:51,333
Speaker 2: and fetamine meth in fetamine users took less methan fetamine.

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00:29:51,573 --> 00:29:54,613
Speaker 2: I made a documentary a few years ago called Driving High,

589
00:29:54,653 --> 00:29:58,413
Speaker 2: where we went to Colorado around the legalization of marijuana

590
00:29:58,453 --> 00:30:04,453
Speaker 2: over there, and we were specifically looking into driving well

591
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Speaker 2: stoned and driving well drunk and driving well, drunk and stoned.

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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what, you don't drive great because

593
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Speaker 2: because we're you know, we had a race track and

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Speaker 2: we had a lot of tests for people. It was

595
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Speaker 2: done under very safe conditions, but we had people driving drunk.

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Speaker 2: Not great, not great results. People driving stone better than

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Speaker 2: drunk drivers. People driving drunk and stone not good. Drunken

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Speaker 2: stone drivers are terrible, terrible, terrible drivers, as you would expect.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how much were they drinking? What was the kind

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Speaker 3: of limit to be drunk?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. See that's the thing with all these

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Speaker 2: studies as well, because you know, you don't operate these

603
00:30:45,573 --> 00:30:49,453
Speaker 2: studies at the extremes. Yeah, you're not having We couldn't

604
00:30:49,453 --> 00:30:53,293
Speaker 2: get people black out drunk, you know, so.

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Speaker 3: You've got to be able to get into the car

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Speaker 3: in the first But.

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Speaker 2: It was quantifiable how much drinking and smoking marijuana impeded

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Speaker 2: your ability to make quite basic decisions. We had people

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Speaker 2: racing around tracks and a red light would randomly come on,

610
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Speaker 2: and who could stop and how quick they reacted and

611
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Speaker 2: not good when you're drunking stuff. Let's just say that much, Phil,

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Speaker 2: How are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 13: Yeah?

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Speaker 16: Good goodness?

615
00:31:15,933 --> 00:31:18,013
Speaker 3: So I fellas Yeah, good good. What's your take on

616
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Speaker 3: this topic.

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Speaker 16: Definitely in favor of cannabis over alcohol. Used to be

618
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Speaker 16: quite a heavy drinker and got in a lot of trouble,

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Speaker 16: stop drinking, making a bit of weeds, No worries. Haven't

620
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Speaker 16: been in trouble for for seen years, Phil.

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Speaker 2: Does that does the does the cannabis help you stop drinking?

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Speaker 2: That was the cannabis apart of your cutting back on

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Speaker 2: the alcohol.

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Speaker 16: Well no, not not overly. It just just got suck

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Speaker 16: a good gidding in trouble. I always smoke, makes a

626
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Speaker 16: bit of weeds, probably since I was seventeen, Like I'm

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Speaker 16: in the late forties now, ye, and I'd prefer to

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Speaker 16: sit down and have a joint rather than a beer.

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Speaker 2: Mm hm.

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Speaker 16: I feel I've got my works about me, but a

631
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Speaker 16: lot more than if I was half cut, you know,

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Speaker 16: the bear or didn't as you put it before, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And and and not and I mean I don't want

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Speaker 2: to incriminate you, but do are you Are you on

635
00:32:20,893 --> 00:32:24,853
Speaker 2: medical marijuana or are you just purchasing it where you can?

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Speaker 16: No, no medical marijuana. They probably wouldn't give it to

637
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Speaker 16: me because it's like I'm just a recreational user.

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00:32:32,293 --> 00:32:34,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure you could come up with it.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, way better. I actually believe what the referendum. I

640
00:32:38,293 --> 00:32:42,373
Speaker 16: think it was skewest. Yeah, they were trying to take

641
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Speaker 16: there were' been a lot of people that voted no,

642
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Speaker 16: so they didn't lose an income m M. I think

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Speaker 16: that skewed the in favor of the nose.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So the question and the referendum was do you

645
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Speaker 2: support the proposed Cannabis Legislation and Control Bill and your

646
00:32:58,453 --> 00:33:00,653
Speaker 2: two options? Well, yes, I support the proposed Cannabis le

647
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Speaker 2: Legislation and Control Bill control bill. No, I do not

648
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Speaker 2: support the proposed Cannabis Legislation and Control Bill. I think

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Speaker 2: it had a better would have had a much better

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Speaker 2: chance of going through. I think they tried to do

651
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Speaker 2: the whole thing at once, and there were the bill,

652
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Speaker 2: the the Cannabis Legislation and Control Bill had had a

653
00:33:15,613 --> 00:33:19,293
Speaker 2: lot of caveats around marketing and and age limits and

654
00:33:19,293 --> 00:33:20,853
Speaker 2: all that that kind of stuff in there. But I

655
00:33:20,893 --> 00:33:25,453
Speaker 2: think if that actually just pushed for decriminalization rather than legalization,

656
00:33:25,533 --> 00:33:27,693
Speaker 2: which brought in a business side to it, Yeah, that

657
00:33:28,133 --> 00:33:29,373
Speaker 2: probably would have gone through.

658
00:33:29,453 --> 00:33:33,333
Speaker 16: Fil Do you agree it's totally like Yeah, I think

659
00:33:33,373 --> 00:33:36,253
Speaker 16: too many people were going to lose income over it

660
00:33:36,333 --> 00:33:39,413
Speaker 16: being decriminalized, so there was no vote there anyway.

661
00:33:39,493 --> 00:33:41,093
Speaker 2: Well it's finished that because of the text that's come

662
00:33:41,133 --> 00:33:43,013
Speaker 2: through on ninety two nine two, I own a look

663
00:33:43,013 --> 00:33:46,173
Speaker 2: of supply company stuff cannabis, get rid of it.

664
00:33:46,413 --> 00:33:50,693
Speaker 3: Proves your argument, Phil, Yeah, yeah, just just the last

665
00:33:50,773 --> 00:33:53,133
Speaker 3: question Phil before you shoot off. So when you have

666
00:33:53,173 --> 00:33:55,853
Speaker 3: cannabis and you're a recreational user, do you just don't

667
00:33:55,893 --> 00:33:58,853
Speaker 3: want to drink? Is that what happens that you're enjoying

668
00:33:58,893 --> 00:34:00,973
Speaker 3: your high and if you start to have alcohol that

669
00:34:01,053 --> 00:34:01,533
Speaker 3: ruins there?

670
00:34:02,973 --> 00:34:05,453
Speaker 16: Well, yeah, it's sort of when I get going to

671
00:34:05,453 --> 00:34:09,413
Speaker 16: have a few ales, I tend to have non and

672
00:34:09,853 --> 00:34:12,573
Speaker 16: just just get about lost and the stupid shirt and

673
00:34:12,773 --> 00:34:17,013
Speaker 16: don't think about the consequences too late. Yeah, when I'm

674
00:34:17,053 --> 00:34:18,813
Speaker 16: having a joint, I'm more likely to go and get

675
00:34:18,933 --> 00:34:20,213
Speaker 16: take the buskets out of the cabin.

676
00:34:21,093 --> 00:34:22,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, put some pink floyd on.

677
00:34:22,493 --> 00:34:22,692
Speaker 15: Yeah.

678
00:34:22,773 --> 00:34:26,813
Speaker 2: I might have some belly related issues, but yeah, I

679
00:34:26,853 --> 00:34:29,533
Speaker 2: mean there's no doubt that. And look on the person

680
00:34:29,613 --> 00:34:32,053
Speaker 2: that there's no secret that I enjoy a drink. Just

681
00:34:32,053 --> 00:34:35,133
Speaker 2: being at the bear Feast across the weekend down in Dunedin.

682
00:34:35,853 --> 00:34:39,213
Speaker 2: But there's also no doubt that you do very stupid

683
00:34:39,213 --> 00:34:41,692
Speaker 2: things when you're being drinking. Absolutely, I mean that's part

684
00:34:41,733 --> 00:34:46,292
Speaker 2: of the reason why we drink is to be uninhibited.

685
00:34:46,333 --> 00:34:48,453
Speaker 2: Like I would not have been cutting up the d

686
00:34:48,573 --> 00:34:51,573
Speaker 2: floor like I was later on in the day if

687
00:34:51,573 --> 00:34:53,493
Speaker 2: I hadn't had a couple of quiet ales.

688
00:34:53,733 --> 00:34:56,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, oh ee. Hundred eighty ten eighty is the

689
00:34:56,253 --> 00:34:58,933
Speaker 3: number to call. Nine two nine two is the text number.

690
00:34:59,013 --> 00:35:01,213
Speaker 3: It is eleven minutes to two back in a mow.

691
00:35:03,453 --> 00:35:08,172
Speaker 1: Mad Heath, Tyler Adams steaking your calls on eight hundredth

692
00:35:08,533 --> 00:35:11,813
Speaker 1: Taylor Adams afternoons NEWSTALKSV.

693
00:35:12,013 --> 00:35:14,613
Speaker 3: News Talks AV It is eight to two quick text

694
00:35:14,653 --> 00:35:16,333
Speaker 3: and we'll go back to your phone calls. Hi, guys.

695
00:35:16,413 --> 00:35:19,053
Speaker 3: I was for the referendum until I went to the

696
00:35:19,133 --> 00:35:22,373
Speaker 3: USA and twenty nineteen visited Las Vegas for New Year's Eve.

697
00:35:22,373 --> 00:35:24,973
Speaker 3: While in Fremont Street, the people using cannabis didn't care

698
00:35:24,973 --> 00:35:27,893
Speaker 3: about others. It was smelly and my brother was so

699
00:35:27,933 --> 00:35:29,893
Speaker 3: sick when we got home from it that I went

700
00:35:30,013 --> 00:35:31,893
Speaker 3: no way from gazz Yeah.

701
00:35:31,933 --> 00:35:34,413
Speaker 2: I went to New York again not so long ago

702
00:35:34,533 --> 00:35:37,093
Speaker 2: after having not been there for a while, and that

703
00:35:37,333 --> 00:35:43,093
Speaker 2: whole city absolutely stinks of cannabis, and you're on, Yeah, Tom.

704
00:35:42,813 --> 00:35:43,613
Speaker 3: How are you mate?

705
00:35:44,453 --> 00:35:47,093
Speaker 17: Hi there, I'm good, good m I've been a different

706
00:35:47,133 --> 00:35:52,133
Speaker 17: take altogether, being a previous addict about fifty years ago,

707
00:35:53,333 --> 00:35:54,213
Speaker 17: a cannabis addict.

708
00:35:54,213 --> 00:35:55,733
Speaker 2: Did you say, yeah?

709
00:35:55,573 --> 00:36:00,893
Speaker 17: Now, I don't believe that self medication is a good thing.

710
00:36:00,973 --> 00:36:03,453
Speaker 17: I think it's a symptom of a sick society when

711
00:36:03,493 --> 00:36:06,173
Speaker 17: I look at it now, and I'm including alcohol on

712
00:36:06,213 --> 00:36:10,573
Speaker 17: that too when i'm because I think what happens is

713
00:36:10,573 --> 00:36:14,573
Speaker 17: that substance has become poisons as the intake increases, and

714
00:36:14,613 --> 00:36:17,652
Speaker 17: that like, for example, you know, a bit of more

715
00:36:17,693 --> 00:36:19,973
Speaker 17: fine if you've got a pain problem, the hospital is fine,

716
00:36:19,973 --> 00:36:22,933
Speaker 17: but you take a lot of it, it's a serious problem.

717
00:36:23,333 --> 00:36:25,253
Speaker 17: The same with alcohol. I mean, if you have a

718
00:36:25,293 --> 00:36:27,893
Speaker 17: lot of alcohol, you do a lot of damage to

719
00:36:27,893 --> 00:36:31,973
Speaker 17: your body, and it also you know, changes your moods

720
00:36:32,013 --> 00:36:33,613
Speaker 17: and all that sort of stuff, and you end up

721
00:36:33,933 --> 00:36:37,093
Speaker 17: struggling to keep your family together. And so I think

722
00:36:37,133 --> 00:36:39,613
Speaker 17: that really we're looking at it the wrong way somehow,

723
00:36:41,213 --> 00:36:43,773
Speaker 17: and I think that we benefit more from less poisons

724
00:36:43,773 --> 00:36:47,093
Speaker 17: in society rather than more. So that's the way I'm

725
00:36:47,093 --> 00:36:53,692
Speaker 17: looking at it. And you know, looking back, I'm one

726
00:36:53,733 --> 00:36:58,493
Speaker 17: of one of few really that have recovered from the

727
00:36:58,573 --> 00:37:00,973
Speaker 17: extreme problems that I had with marijuana.

728
00:37:01,173 --> 00:37:04,373
Speaker 2: Can you, if you don't mind, you know, describe some

729
00:37:04,453 --> 00:37:08,253
Speaker 2: of those what those problems were, Tom, I'll.

730
00:37:08,053 --> 00:37:10,053
Speaker 17: Be I ended up in the cycle word and I

731
00:37:10,053 --> 00:37:11,253
Speaker 17: got electric shop treatment.

732
00:37:12,533 --> 00:37:13,333
Speaker 3: How long ago was that?

733
00:37:14,813 --> 00:37:15,613
Speaker 17: Fifty years ago?

734
00:37:16,213 --> 00:37:22,253
Speaker 2: Wow? And so you in how was how was it manifesting?

735
00:37:22,333 --> 00:37:23,893
Speaker 2: You lost touch with reality?

736
00:37:25,533 --> 00:37:31,053
Speaker 17: Oh? Look, of course, I mean if if you are,

737
00:37:32,613 --> 00:37:36,172
Speaker 17: if you're doing that sort of stuff, you end up

738
00:37:36,653 --> 00:37:41,053
Speaker 17: being unable to be sure of what reality is real.

739
00:37:42,413 --> 00:37:43,813
Speaker 17: And when you're a big part of it.

740
00:37:44,093 --> 00:37:46,253
Speaker 3: When you mentioned you were addicted, Tom, how did that

741
00:37:46,453 --> 00:37:47,453
Speaker 3: manifest itself?

742
00:37:50,653 --> 00:37:53,493
Speaker 17: Well, I mean, look, one of the things about it

743
00:37:53,653 --> 00:37:55,933
Speaker 17: was that back in those days, we didn't really know

744
00:37:56,013 --> 00:37:59,173
Speaker 17: what we were getting. And I think that some of

745
00:37:59,213 --> 00:38:01,813
Speaker 17: the stuff that you were buying off the street had

746
00:38:01,813 --> 00:38:06,333
Speaker 17: a lot of additives in it, and so it was

747
00:38:06,453 --> 00:38:10,293
Speaker 17: very very unregulated, not in a illegal sense, but in

748
00:38:10,373 --> 00:38:13,733
Speaker 17: terms of just the way that society was working in

749
00:38:13,773 --> 00:38:16,253
Speaker 17: those days. I mean, you never know what you were getting.

750
00:38:17,733 --> 00:38:17,933
Speaker 12: Yeah.

751
00:38:18,133 --> 00:38:22,773
Speaker 2: It's interesting because now over in Los Angeles, for example,

752
00:38:23,733 --> 00:38:27,333
Speaker 2: people say that the because people can do you know,

753
00:38:27,493 --> 00:38:30,893
Speaker 2: research on it and market it and work on what

754
00:38:30,973 --> 00:38:36,373
Speaker 2: they're selling. That it has become incredibly incredibly strong, quite

755
00:38:36,413 --> 00:38:39,773
Speaker 2: stronger than it was before. But you can at least

756
00:38:39,893 --> 00:38:43,013
Speaker 2: ask for it to be a lower dose. You can,

757
00:38:43,133 --> 00:38:45,733
Speaker 2: you can at least that that's some information that you

758
00:38:45,773 --> 00:38:47,453
Speaker 2: can have now that you wouldn't have you wouldn't have

759
00:38:47,453 --> 00:38:47,933
Speaker 2: had back then.

760
00:38:47,973 --> 00:38:52,133
Speaker 17: Tom, Yes, and no, I think the thing is that

761
00:38:56,493 --> 00:39:00,172
Speaker 17: I think that what's available now is probably an awful

762
00:39:00,213 --> 00:39:01,933
Speaker 17: lot stronger than what we were on back then.

763
00:39:02,173 --> 00:39:06,653
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, nicely, said Tom Andrew. Have got about sixty seconds,

764
00:39:06,693 --> 00:39:08,333
Speaker 3: how are you?

765
00:39:08,373 --> 00:39:08,933
Speaker 18: Yeah, good mate.

766
00:39:08,933 --> 00:39:12,253
Speaker 19: No, my take on it is my uncle, our seventy

767
00:39:12,453 --> 00:39:14,933
Speaker 19: long time smoker like myself, and he went to Canada

768
00:39:15,733 --> 00:39:19,093
Speaker 19: and when it legalized over there, they really pushed the edibles.

769
00:39:19,133 --> 00:39:21,453
Speaker 19: It just came on the market and they really pushed that.

770
00:39:21,453 --> 00:39:24,853
Speaker 19: That's what he didn't like. That's what I wouldn't like

771
00:39:24,893 --> 00:39:27,213
Speaker 19: to see happened in New Zealand. I was against was

772
00:39:27,253 --> 00:39:29,853
Speaker 19: for the referendum, but sort of against it after hearing

773
00:39:29,893 --> 00:39:32,893
Speaker 19: all that, and then the other thing that quickly is

774
00:39:32,933 --> 00:39:37,213
Speaker 19: that guy just spoke everyone is affected by cannabis differently,

775
00:39:37,333 --> 00:39:40,053
Speaker 19: like what everyone gets picted the same like, I've been

776
00:39:40,093 --> 00:39:42,533
Speaker 19: smoking cannabis my whole life. I'm fifty nine. Started when

777
00:39:42,573 --> 00:39:45,093
Speaker 19: I was about sixteen. But I'm not doing to abuse it.

778
00:39:45,213 --> 00:39:48,453
Speaker 19: He's for sleep and I have no problems with it.

779
00:39:48,493 --> 00:39:51,533
Speaker 19: But other people I know couldn't do that. Some people go,

780
00:39:51,693 --> 00:39:53,453
Speaker 19: some people can handle it, some people can't.

781
00:39:53,653 --> 00:39:54,013
Speaker 3: Yeah.

782
00:39:54,133 --> 00:39:57,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think people underestimate how powerful that drug is.

783
00:39:58,293 --> 00:40:01,253
Speaker 2: It can have a huge psychoactive experience on people. We

784
00:40:01,333 --> 00:40:03,653
Speaker 2: sort of put it down down the bottom and that

785
00:40:03,253 --> 00:40:05,573
Speaker 2: that's I'm not making any moral judgment on that. I

786
00:40:05,653 --> 00:40:09,973
Speaker 2: just it just can be very very powerful drug.

787
00:40:10,053 --> 00:40:12,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, particularly those edibles, right, I mean, because that is

788
00:40:12,933 --> 00:40:14,893
Speaker 3: a lot of the active ingredient in those edibles that

789
00:40:14,933 --> 00:40:16,333
Speaker 3: can do some bad things to people.

790
00:40:16,533 --> 00:40:18,813
Speaker 2: I know a little guy who missed out on his

791
00:40:18,813 --> 00:40:21,173
Speaker 2: favorite band playing The Big Doubt once because they had

792
00:40:21,493 --> 00:40:22,253
Speaker 2: too many edibles.

793
00:40:22,293 --> 00:40:23,493
Speaker 3: We're gonna hear more about it then.

794
00:40:23,573 --> 00:40:23,933
Speaker 2: Shortly.

795
00:40:23,973 --> 00:40:24,973
Speaker 3: It is three to two.

796
00:40:26,853 --> 00:40:30,013
Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon against Matt Heath and Tyler

797
00:40:30,093 --> 00:40:34,253
Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons New for twenty twenty four News Talk said, be.

798
00:40:35,173 --> 00:40:37,733
Speaker 3: Welcome back into the show. Great to have your company.

799
00:40:37,773 --> 00:40:40,453
Speaker 3: Always seven past and we have been talking about a

800
00:40:40,493 --> 00:40:43,773
Speaker 3: new study on cannabis users and how much alcohol they

801
00:40:43,893 --> 00:40:44,693
Speaker 3: drink and myth they do.

802
00:40:44,933 --> 00:40:46,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you study, say sixty percent of cannabis and

803
00:40:46,813 --> 00:40:50,333
Speaker 2: alcohol uses say weed makes them drink less. So the

804
00:40:50,413 --> 00:40:52,693
Speaker 2: question is should we legalize it? I guess the elephant

805
00:40:52,733 --> 00:40:56,893
Speaker 2: in the room as is, are they unable to get

806
00:40:56,933 --> 00:41:01,493
Speaker 2: it now? Because even though cannabis isn't legal, I mean,

807
00:41:01,533 --> 00:41:05,692
Speaker 2: medical marijuana is available, but cannabis isn't legal. Cannabis laws

808
00:41:05,733 --> 00:41:07,933
Speaker 2: and penalties. Penalties associated the canvas range from a five

809
00:41:08,013 --> 00:41:11,413
Speaker 2: hundred fine for position to a fourteen year jail term

810
00:41:11,533 --> 00:41:14,813
Speaker 2: for its supplay or manufacture. But it seems to be

811
00:41:14,853 --> 00:41:19,413
Speaker 2: really very readily available. Yeah, So whether it's legalized or not,

812
00:41:19,493 --> 00:41:21,252
Speaker 2: I'm not I'll be interesting to know if that would

813
00:41:21,293 --> 00:41:24,173
Speaker 2: increase the availability of it or not. I've got this

814
00:41:24,173 --> 00:41:26,773
Speaker 2: interesting text through here on the issue on nine two

815
00:41:26,893 --> 00:41:30,093
Speaker 2: nine two afternoon, guys, any I was an everyday user

816
00:41:30,133 --> 00:41:32,373
Speaker 2: for seventeen years till the birth of my first child

817
00:41:32,413 --> 00:41:35,533
Speaker 2: six years ago. I'm totally against legalizing cannabis. I wasted

818
00:41:35,573 --> 00:41:37,453
Speaker 2: the best years of my use to the habit. Anyone

819
00:41:37,613 --> 00:41:40,133
Speaker 2: who claims it as an addictive is absolutely killing themselves.

820
00:41:40,173 --> 00:41:42,253
Speaker 2: Apart from the folks who suffered from chronic illness. It

821
00:41:42,293 --> 00:41:45,172
Speaker 2: should stay the way currently as that's from Jamie.

822
00:41:45,093 --> 00:41:48,773
Speaker 3: Good text there. Now you've been to LA after they

823
00:41:48,893 --> 00:41:50,652
Speaker 3: legalized cannabis.

824
00:41:50,133 --> 00:41:52,692
Speaker 2: And in a number of places in the Colorado, New

825
00:41:52,773 --> 00:41:53,453
Speaker 2: York YEP.

826
00:41:53,813 --> 00:41:56,533
Speaker 3: So I was a big yes man. But now that

827
00:41:56,573 --> 00:41:59,172
Speaker 3: those states have legalized it and I'm starting to see

828
00:41:59,173 --> 00:42:03,213
Speaker 3: reports of some of the issues popping up, I don't

829
00:42:03,213 --> 00:42:05,933
Speaker 3: know if I'm much as so much in the yes

830
00:42:06,013 --> 00:42:08,013
Speaker 3: camp as I used to be. I think I still am,

831
00:42:08,813 --> 00:42:12,133
Speaker 3: but clearly it needs to be done with a lot

832
00:42:12,253 --> 00:42:16,893
Speaker 3: of rigorous understanding of what the unintended consequences could be. Right,

833
00:42:16,973 --> 00:42:18,733
Speaker 3: And I don't know if America did that. What was

834
00:42:18,773 --> 00:42:19,973
Speaker 3: your take when you went to LA.

835
00:42:20,453 --> 00:42:24,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean it's everywhere, yeah, And I mean

836
00:42:24,333 --> 00:42:26,933
Speaker 2: I guess it's like everything. So someone that's worked a

837
00:42:26,933 --> 00:42:30,453
Speaker 2: full day's job and they're not an employment where there's

838
00:42:30,453 --> 00:42:32,533
Speaker 2: a high risk of them damaging something, if they're not

839
00:42:32,653 --> 00:42:35,933
Speaker 2: driving a forklift, flying a pan or whatever, and they

840
00:42:36,013 --> 00:42:38,093
Speaker 2: have some gummies when they're on the couch when they

841
00:42:38,133 --> 00:42:40,773
Speaker 2: get home to relax, then I don't know. I mean,

842
00:42:40,813 --> 00:42:42,533
Speaker 2: it's pretty hard to see that as being a problem.

843
00:42:42,693 --> 00:42:46,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I know, do you know what?

844
00:42:46,533 --> 00:42:49,893
Speaker 2: It just the whole thing just felt a bit grotty. Yes,

845
00:42:50,293 --> 00:42:53,093
Speaker 2: just you know, I've always been a big supporter of

846
00:42:53,173 --> 00:42:55,772
Speaker 2: legalizing marijuana as well, but I've never been a user

847
00:42:55,853 --> 00:42:57,493
Speaker 2: of marijuana. It doesn't work for me. It gives me

848
00:42:57,533 --> 00:42:57,933
Speaker 2: the willies.

849
00:42:58,013 --> 00:42:58,252
Speaker 6: Yep.

850
00:42:58,413 --> 00:43:00,893
Speaker 2: I don't like it at all. But that's just me personally,

851
00:43:00,933 --> 00:43:02,653
Speaker 2: and I think I'd be one of those people who's

852
00:43:03,133 --> 00:43:08,893
Speaker 2: whose mind is calibrated such that it I just can't

853
00:43:08,893 --> 00:43:11,933
Speaker 2: handle it, you know. And but as a result, I

854
00:43:11,573 --> 00:43:15,732
Speaker 2: don't use it. Some people that aren't as lucky it's

855
00:43:15,733 --> 00:43:18,533
Speaker 2: bad for them, and then they keep using it for

856
00:43:19,093 --> 00:43:22,813
Speaker 2: whatever reason. But yeah, it was odd actually because I

857
00:43:22,893 --> 00:43:25,893
Speaker 2: just did just feel a little bit grossy. It was

858
00:43:25,933 --> 00:43:28,333
Speaker 2: just everywhere, it's the whole place stunk, and same with

859
00:43:28,413 --> 00:43:32,733
Speaker 2: New York. Just every way it just.

860
00:43:31,813 --> 00:43:33,813
Speaker 3: Steaks like weeds.

861
00:43:33,973 --> 00:43:36,252
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, which maybe I only thought they were great

862
00:43:36,293 --> 00:43:40,773
Speaker 2: because it reminded me of flats I lived in. The

863
00:43:40,773 --> 00:43:43,613
Speaker 2: whole thing stunk like a student flat to me, the

864
00:43:44,213 --> 00:43:45,133
Speaker 2: whole country.

865
00:43:45,413 --> 00:43:46,733
Speaker 3: David, how are you this afternoon?

866
00:43:47,413 --> 00:43:50,373
Speaker 18: Yeah, tremendous things, Yeah, very.

867
00:43:50,133 --> 00:43:51,373
Speaker 3: Well, what's your thoughts on this?

868
00:43:53,093 --> 00:43:57,933
Speaker 18: I've done addiction recovery in prison for about the last

869
00:43:57,933 --> 00:44:03,093
Speaker 18: ten years on a voluntary basis, And every person that

870
00:44:03,173 --> 00:44:07,213
Speaker 18: I speak to in prison, they say that marijuana is

871
00:44:07,213 --> 00:44:12,812
Speaker 18: the gateway drag. So my and I've seen what happened

872
00:44:12,853 --> 00:44:16,253
Speaker 18: to my best friend at school. He went on to university,

873
00:44:16,413 --> 00:44:18,573
Speaker 18: was far more intelligent than what I was, and he

874
00:44:18,613 --> 00:44:22,172
Speaker 18: was at a university party one night and someone offered

875
00:44:22,253 --> 00:44:25,333
Speaker 18: him adjoint and he'd never tried it before, and sadly

876
00:44:25,453 --> 00:44:29,293
Speaker 18: he became a heroin addict. And I've got a granddaughter

877
00:44:30,573 --> 00:44:34,613
Speaker 18: who was in the same way, who her mum and

878
00:44:34,693 --> 00:44:37,853
Speaker 18: dad sent her over from Australia and she had started

879
00:44:37,893 --> 00:44:41,453
Speaker 18: off smoking a joint and had gone through the whole

880
00:44:41,493 --> 00:44:47,133
Speaker 18: process and her life was pretty much turned upside down.

881
00:44:47,373 --> 00:44:50,293
Speaker 18: So I look at it like this, if you don't start,

882
00:44:50,933 --> 00:44:56,053
Speaker 18: then you can't be a victim of the circumstances. And

883
00:44:57,013 --> 00:45:01,573
Speaker 18: I don't believe there's there's been enough, there's been enough

884
00:45:01,733 --> 00:45:05,773
Speaker 18: investigation into it to make it to make it legal.

885
00:45:05,853 --> 00:45:13,173
Speaker 18: I've only ever seen consequent of people who have started smoking.

886
00:45:13,453 --> 00:45:18,893
Speaker 18: And I've had friends who have committed suicide who started

887
00:45:18,973 --> 00:45:24,053
Speaker 18: smoking marijuana and gone through the whole process. And so

888
00:45:25,213 --> 00:45:26,333
Speaker 18: I'm dead against it.

889
00:45:27,173 --> 00:45:30,053
Speaker 2: I think it does have a big effect on people's

890
00:45:30,053 --> 00:45:34,653
Speaker 2: minds in a way that people can be quite trivial about.

891
00:45:34,773 --> 00:45:37,692
Speaker 2: And maybe I just say that because because when I've

892
00:45:38,133 --> 00:45:40,013
Speaker 2: had cannis before, so we've got a massive effect on

893
00:45:40,933 --> 00:45:44,733
Speaker 2: my mind. Yeah, but it is interesting because you know,

894
00:45:44,933 --> 00:45:48,253
Speaker 2: you say, David, but according to this study, alcohol methamphettering

895
00:45:48,293 --> 00:45:51,253
Speaker 2: top the list of New Zealand's most hartful substances, and

896
00:45:51,333 --> 00:45:53,813
Speaker 2: this is in a recent research paper. Well, cannabis was

897
00:45:53,893 --> 00:45:58,773
Speaker 2: ninth after tobacco and various opioids. But you're saying that

898
00:45:58,813 --> 00:46:01,853
Speaker 2: once you get into cannabis, But do you think that

899
00:46:01,893 --> 00:46:04,933
Speaker 2: the people that try cannabis were are the people that

900
00:46:05,013 --> 00:46:09,652
Speaker 2: are more open to trying drugs generally. So whilst it

901
00:46:09,693 --> 00:46:12,453
Speaker 2: may seem like a gateway, it's just that their mind,

902
00:46:12,813 --> 00:46:16,813
Speaker 2: they're the type of person that is interested in brain

903
00:46:16,853 --> 00:46:17,813
Speaker 2: altering substances.

904
00:46:19,053 --> 00:46:19,292
Speaker 5: Yeah.

905
00:46:19,293 --> 00:46:22,573
Speaker 18: Look, I certainly don't want to put I'm an addict,

906
00:46:22,653 --> 00:46:24,573
Speaker 18: so I don't I don't want to put any mind

907
00:46:24,733 --> 00:46:30,853
Speaker 18: altering substances into my body. Because I speak to other people,

908
00:46:31,933 --> 00:46:36,093
Speaker 18: to our addicts as well, and and they they share

909
00:46:36,133 --> 00:46:45,213
Speaker 18: with me that once they start that their morals collapse

910
00:46:46,453 --> 00:46:52,573
Speaker 18: and the next thing they're they're getting involved in things

911
00:46:53,013 --> 00:46:56,252
Speaker 18: that they have never wanted to be involved in, and

912
00:46:56,853 --> 00:46:59,652
Speaker 18: that We were discussing this in prison one day in

913
00:46:59,693 --> 00:47:02,652
Speaker 18: a group and and the question came up, are you

914
00:47:03,133 --> 00:47:05,133
Speaker 18: One of the guys in the group said, are you

915
00:47:05,253 --> 00:47:08,293
Speaker 18: telling us that then, that we aren't able to have

916
00:47:08,533 --> 00:47:11,213
Speaker 18: any fun? Or what about a little bit of fun?

917
00:47:12,013 --> 00:47:14,733
Speaker 18: And I said, oh, that's a great question. Let's discuss that.

918
00:47:14,893 --> 00:47:18,413
Speaker 18: And so we discussed it among ourselves. And one of

919
00:47:18,413 --> 00:47:23,373
Speaker 18: the guys there was he was on preventive detention for

920
00:47:23,453 --> 00:47:27,493
Speaker 18: being a bank robber and he had spent about the

921
00:47:27,573 --> 00:47:29,973
Speaker 18: last fifteen or eighteen years because every time he got

922
00:47:30,013 --> 00:47:33,253
Speaker 18: out of prison, he just went and robbed banks until

923
00:47:33,253 --> 00:47:36,613
Speaker 18: he got caught, and so he had robbed numerous ones.

924
00:47:36,653 --> 00:47:40,093
Speaker 18: And it came up and it said to him, what

925
00:47:40,133 --> 00:47:43,213
Speaker 18: about do you think that you could rob banks responsibly

926
00:47:43,933 --> 00:47:46,533
Speaker 18: if you just took a little bag and fell up

927
00:47:46,573 --> 00:47:52,293
Speaker 18: a little bag? So and so, you know, and the

928
00:47:52,333 --> 00:47:54,893
Speaker 18: discussion came up, what about a little bit of marijuana?

929
00:47:55,453 --> 00:47:59,533
Speaker 18: And everyone in the group said, no, that couldn't possibly

930
00:47:59,573 --> 00:48:01,613
Speaker 18: do that. What about a little bit of methanheta man?

931
00:48:02,093 --> 00:48:05,093
Speaker 18: I couldn't possibly And in the end the general consensus

932
00:48:05,333 --> 00:48:09,453
Speaker 18: was that a little bit leads to a lot.

933
00:48:10,133 --> 00:48:14,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you said to this text here, David,

934
00:48:15,533 --> 00:48:17,853
Speaker 2: just come through a nineteen nine two. The caller said,

935
00:48:17,893 --> 00:48:20,053
Speaker 2: friend at a party offered a joint, therefore it's a

936
00:48:20,053 --> 00:48:24,013
Speaker 2: gateway drug. But was the friend drinking at said party?

937
00:48:24,253 --> 00:48:26,773
Speaker 2: So the question might be, is it marijuana that's the

938
00:48:26,773 --> 00:48:30,573
Speaker 2: gateway drug or is alcohol a gateway drug to everything else?

939
00:48:31,613 --> 00:48:35,933
Speaker 18: Well, that's a great question. And as you said before,

940
00:48:36,173 --> 00:48:41,613
Speaker 18: different things affect different people, and so he was a

941
00:48:41,653 --> 00:48:48,133
Speaker 18: casual drinker, and it was just the fact that, you know,

942
00:48:48,253 --> 00:48:51,853
Speaker 18: maybe it was the fact that he had tried the alcohol,

943
00:48:52,893 --> 00:48:56,573
Speaker 18: and maybe his defenses might have been a bit down

944
00:48:57,253 --> 00:49:01,813
Speaker 18: and he tried something that you know, and there are

945
00:49:01,853 --> 00:49:03,973
Speaker 18: lots of people like that. And not only that, but

946
00:49:04,053 --> 00:49:08,253
Speaker 18: it's not only in drug addiction. It's all addictions that

947
00:49:09,293 --> 00:49:14,373
Speaker 18: people find themselves in that sort of situation.

948
00:49:14,573 --> 00:49:17,213
Speaker 3: And do you think it is that the drug that

949
00:49:17,373 --> 00:49:20,013
Speaker 3: is the gateway, David, or when it comes to people

950
00:49:20,013 --> 00:49:23,692
Speaker 3: with addictions, it doesn't matter what drug they take, it's

951
00:49:23,733 --> 00:49:25,773
Speaker 3: that underlying trauma that gets them into trouble.

952
00:49:27,093 --> 00:49:27,293
Speaker 13: Yeah.

953
00:49:27,373 --> 00:49:31,773
Speaker 18: Sure, you know, if you don't know, if you have

954
00:49:31,853 --> 00:49:37,773
Speaker 18: an addictive genes in your in your bank and and

955
00:49:37,853 --> 00:49:45,093
Speaker 18: so once you start something then unfortunately that there's unless

956
00:49:45,133 --> 00:49:48,013
Speaker 18: you get treatment, and you want treatment, there's no way back.

957
00:49:48,453 --> 00:49:51,053
Speaker 18: And as I said, you know, my granddaughter got sent

958
00:49:51,133 --> 00:49:54,733
Speaker 18: over from Australia and she was you couldn't sleep in

959
00:49:54,773 --> 00:49:59,093
Speaker 18: the in the bedroom, she was hearing demons and all

960
00:49:59,533 --> 00:50:00,733
Speaker 18: started from a joint.

961
00:50:02,413 --> 00:50:09,613
Speaker 2: Well, this this text here here says that the the gateway. Sorry,

962
00:50:09,853 --> 00:50:11,653
Speaker 2: just this text has just gone down there but I

963
00:50:11,693 --> 00:50:13,933
Speaker 2: can't find it. But basically what they were saying is

964
00:50:14,293 --> 00:50:17,093
Speaker 2: the reason why in this textas opinion, that cannabis is

965
00:50:17,093 --> 00:50:20,093
Speaker 2: a gateway drug is because you have to deal with

966
00:50:20,093 --> 00:50:23,933
Speaker 2: the criminal elements to get the drug. Therefore the other

967
00:50:24,253 --> 00:50:26,413
Speaker 2: other drugs are then offered to you from that. And

968
00:50:26,653 --> 00:50:29,653
Speaker 2: there's probably probably some truth in that if you're getting

969
00:50:29,653 --> 00:50:32,733
Speaker 2: it from if you're getting cannabis just from a supplier

970
00:50:33,213 --> 00:50:37,293
Speaker 2: that is that is government regulated and they're not going

971
00:50:37,333 --> 00:50:40,053
Speaker 2: to upsell you to methan, fetter, meine or heroine. No,

972
00:50:40,333 --> 00:50:42,293
Speaker 2: they're just going to sell that thing to you. But

973
00:50:42,493 --> 00:50:45,133
Speaker 2: addiction is an interesting thing. I mean, maybe I'll talk

974
00:50:45,133 --> 00:50:47,213
Speaker 2: about it a little bit later on, but I was

975
00:50:47,213 --> 00:50:50,053
Speaker 2: addicted to after I had broke my back. I became

976
00:50:50,093 --> 00:50:53,933
Speaker 2: heavily addicted to the painkillers they were giving me, and

977
00:50:54,013 --> 00:50:55,693
Speaker 2: that was that was a hell of a journey.

978
00:50:55,773 --> 00:50:58,093
Speaker 3: I bet it was. Can you say what the drug was?

979
00:50:58,133 --> 00:50:58,213
Speaker 4: What?

980
00:50:59,053 --> 00:51:02,093
Speaker 2: It was just tramadol? Yeah it was. It was just tramadol.

981
00:51:02,213 --> 00:51:06,133
Speaker 2: And getting off the tramadol was probably the hardest thing

982
00:51:06,173 --> 00:51:07,053
Speaker 2: I've ever done in my life.

983
00:51:07,173 --> 00:51:09,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, let's talk about that very shortly. It is

984
00:51:09,853 --> 00:51:11,773
Speaker 3: seventeen pass two. But love to hear from you on

985
00:51:11,813 --> 00:51:13,573
Speaker 3: this one. And David, thank you very much for your

986
00:51:13,573 --> 00:51:15,293
Speaker 3: phone call Oh eight hundred and eighty teen eighty as

987
00:51:15,333 --> 00:51:17,693
Speaker 3: a number to call. Nine two nine two is the

988
00:51:17,853 --> 00:51:22,733
Speaker 3: text number back in a mow.

989
00:51:21,173 --> 00:51:24,853
Speaker 1: You're new home of Afternoon Tork and Ethen Taylor Adams

990
00:51:24,893 --> 00:51:27,613
Speaker 1: Afternoon call Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

991
00:51:27,813 --> 00:51:29,733
Speaker 2: News Talk said, it's.

992
00:51:29,653 --> 00:51:30,413
Speaker 3: Twenty past two.

993
00:51:30,493 --> 00:51:33,212
Speaker 2: We've been talking about a new study that say sixty

994
00:51:33,253 --> 00:51:35,413
Speaker 2: percent of cannabis and olcohol users say weed makes them

995
00:51:35,453 --> 00:51:38,533
Speaker 2: drink less. So should we legalize cannabis? As text on

996
00:51:38,613 --> 00:51:40,493
Speaker 2: nine two nine two. All the calls against so far

997
00:51:40,653 --> 00:51:45,293
Speaker 2: have been great arguments for legislation, regulation and education for

998
00:51:45,853 --> 00:51:48,652
Speaker 2: safe use. Another text here, Hey, guys. I think the

999
00:51:48,653 --> 00:51:50,973
Speaker 2: issue in terms of what makes a gateway is the

1000
00:51:51,013 --> 00:51:53,253
Speaker 2: fact that there is an imperative for the supplier to

1001
00:51:53,253 --> 00:51:56,493
Speaker 2: make money off you. This doesn't change just because it's legal.

1002
00:51:56,733 --> 00:51:59,413
Speaker 2: In fact, the company's marketing products will find any number

1003
00:51:59,453 --> 00:52:02,453
Speaker 2: of ways to make more from selling more product. Just

1004
00:52:02,493 --> 00:52:04,652
Speaker 2: look at the vape stores as an example of what

1005
00:52:04,813 --> 00:52:07,613
Speaker 2: that's done to our kids. I mean, that is true.

1006
00:52:07,613 --> 00:52:12,333
Speaker 2: I mean that's why decriminalization probably would be in my

1007
00:52:12,413 --> 00:52:14,093
Speaker 2: eyes anyway, it would be a better option. It seems

1008
00:52:14,093 --> 00:52:19,652
Speaker 2: crazy to me that people get charged for cannabis use.

1009
00:52:20,453 --> 00:52:24,213
Speaker 2: But yeah, when it becomes a business and people are

1010
00:52:24,253 --> 00:52:25,853
Speaker 2: pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing it, then you're

1011
00:52:25,853 --> 00:52:27,613
Speaker 2: going to get you to get more of it out there.

1012
00:52:28,173 --> 00:52:29,893
Speaker 2: But I mean, as I say before, I think it's

1013
00:52:29,893 --> 00:52:34,573
Speaker 2: pretty readily it's illegal now cannabis, whereas it definitely not

1014
00:52:34,613 --> 00:52:36,493
Speaker 2: pushed as much as it used to. I was talking

1015
00:52:36,493 --> 00:52:40,453
Speaker 2: to a you know, not attacked as much as it

1016
00:52:40,533 --> 00:52:43,652
Speaker 2: used to. I was talking to a police officer who

1017
00:52:43,773 --> 00:52:46,093
Speaker 2: was you know, operation in the seventies when need to

1018
00:52:46,093 --> 00:52:49,413
Speaker 2: cover busted people for marijuana, and he's got a huge

1019
00:52:49,413 --> 00:52:52,093
Speaker 2: amount of guilt for the people that he was involved

1020
00:52:52,093 --> 00:52:54,133
Speaker 2: in putting away for it for a whole number of

1021
00:52:54,253 --> 00:52:56,613
Speaker 2: years just for smoking marijuana.

1022
00:52:56,733 --> 00:52:58,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely changed, that's for sure. Step Ahn, How

1023
00:52:58,973 --> 00:53:00,573
Speaker 3: are you good?

1024
00:53:00,653 --> 00:53:03,253
Speaker 8: Thank you, great show as visual. Matt Tyler, thank you.

1025
00:53:04,133 --> 00:53:06,573
Speaker 8: I just wanted to come in from the gateway perspective

1026
00:53:06,573 --> 00:53:08,333
Speaker 8: as well. And just on the side note, I think

1027
00:53:08,533 --> 00:53:11,333
Speaker 8: callers should definitely be prioritized out of the texts because

1028
00:53:11,333 --> 00:53:14,973
Speaker 8: one of those texts just totally stole my thunder. But definitely,

1029
00:53:15,453 --> 00:53:19,293
Speaker 8: it's definitely it's definitely a fact of exposing yourself to that.

1030
00:53:19,453 --> 00:53:22,253
Speaker 8: Not the fact that smoking marijuana or taking any other

1031
00:53:22,333 --> 00:53:26,933
Speaker 8: drug makes you makes you more interested and tender to

1032
00:53:26,933 --> 00:53:29,853
Speaker 8: try something other drugs. It's just exposing yourself to that

1033
00:53:29,933 --> 00:53:33,133
Speaker 8: from underworld, you know, going to a Tenney house instead

1034
00:53:33,173 --> 00:53:36,013
Speaker 8: of a shop or a pharmacy to get yeah, to

1035
00:53:36,093 --> 00:53:40,973
Speaker 8: get some medical marijuana or something like that. And yeah,

1036
00:53:41,173 --> 00:53:43,013
Speaker 8: that's that's actually pretty much what I had to say.

1037
00:53:44,013 --> 00:53:45,772
Speaker 2: But it was better coming from you from your mouth

1038
00:53:45,853 --> 00:53:48,413
Speaker 2: than than me reading out a text message. Thanks you

1039
00:53:48,453 --> 00:53:51,813
Speaker 2: so much for your course. Eighties the number. But yeah,

1040
00:53:51,853 --> 00:53:54,133
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean that seems to be logical, doesn't it,

1041
00:53:54,173 --> 00:54:00,933
Speaker 2: Because if you've got a marijuana seller that's regulated. They're

1042
00:54:00,933 --> 00:54:05,533
Speaker 2: not going to upsell you to methamphetamy, no, whereas you

1043
00:54:05,533 --> 00:54:07,293
Speaker 2: wouldn't say that would be the same thing if you're

1044
00:54:07,293 --> 00:54:10,173
Speaker 2: buying it off gang members. Yeah, I mean they've got

1045
00:54:10,213 --> 00:54:14,053
Speaker 2: an incentive to upsell you to something that will absolutely

1046
00:54:14,093 --> 00:54:14,853
Speaker 2: destroy your life.

1047
00:54:14,933 --> 00:54:17,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, but just on the text or mention the vape stores,

1048
00:54:17,373 --> 00:54:19,573
Speaker 3: And that's what I worry about. That's primarily why I've

1049
00:54:19,653 --> 00:54:22,253
Speaker 3: changed from a hard yes to it. I don't know anymore,

1050
00:54:22,533 --> 00:54:24,813
Speaker 3: because we've done it several times in New Zealand where

1051
00:54:24,853 --> 00:54:26,893
Speaker 3: we think it's gonna be okay, and we open up

1052
00:54:26,893 --> 00:54:28,733
Speaker 3: the flood gates and all of a sudden you've got

1053
00:54:28,813 --> 00:54:31,293
Speaker 3: vape stores everywhere and kids kids are taking it to

1054
00:54:31,293 --> 00:54:33,293
Speaker 3: school and all that sort of lava that it's not

1055
00:54:33,373 --> 00:54:36,373
Speaker 3: well thought through the unintended consequences. I get that, but

1056
00:54:36,373 --> 00:54:38,613
Speaker 3: that's what I worry about, that if we do completely

1057
00:54:38,773 --> 00:54:42,212
Speaker 3: legalize it, have we completely thought through all the ramifications

1058
00:54:42,213 --> 00:54:43,733
Speaker 3: of what that could mean. And I say that as

1059
00:54:43,733 --> 00:54:45,453
Speaker 3: a vapor I'm not getting on some high horts there.

1060
00:54:45,493 --> 00:54:47,933
Speaker 3: I've got my wee vape pen in my hand right now,

1061
00:54:48,053 --> 00:54:50,013
Speaker 3: not in the studio. I hope, Well, I'm not using it. No,

1062
00:54:50,053 --> 00:54:50,652
Speaker 3: it's switched off.

1063
00:54:50,693 --> 00:54:52,853
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Matt, I certainly hope not.

1064
00:54:52,973 --> 00:54:56,973
Speaker 3: Hey check the cameras. Check the cameras. Oh hundred eighty

1065
00:54:57,053 --> 00:54:58,893
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call. It is twenty

1066
00:54:58,893 --> 00:54:59,533
Speaker 3: three parts.

1067
00:54:59,413 --> 00:55:07,253
Speaker 1: Two Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight

1068
00:55:07,293 --> 00:55:10,413
Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB twenty six

1069
00:55:10,453 --> 00:55:10,973
Speaker 1: past two.

1070
00:55:11,413 --> 00:55:14,573
Speaker 2: You've been talking about cannabis and this is the text here.

1071
00:55:14,573 --> 00:55:16,573
Speaker 2: Hey goes, you're into a good topic. I've been smoking

1072
00:55:16,613 --> 00:55:19,533
Speaker 2: for fifty two years. I owned two businesses, have never

1073
00:55:19,573 --> 00:55:21,373
Speaker 2: tried any other drug. I wake up at five am

1074
00:55:21,413 --> 00:55:23,733
Speaker 2: and do a ten hour day, six days a week.

1075
00:55:24,013 --> 00:55:25,693
Speaker 2: If you look for methic CX, so you're going to

1076
00:55:25,893 --> 00:55:27,373
Speaker 2: you're going to get it. By the way, I don't

1077
00:55:27,413 --> 00:55:29,573
Speaker 2: drink alcohol. It's from Steve. Thank you for your text.

1078
00:55:29,853 --> 00:55:31,013
Speaker 3: Good tech. Steve Lee.

1079
00:55:31,133 --> 00:55:32,813
Speaker 20: How are you good?

1080
00:55:33,693 --> 00:55:36,053
Speaker 3: Yeah? Good? What's your take on cannabis?

1081
00:55:36,773 --> 00:55:38,893
Speaker 20: Well, their last text you just read out is kind

1082
00:55:38,893 --> 00:55:42,013
Speaker 20: of he's the kind of guys the problem for us

1083
00:55:42,053 --> 00:55:46,133
Speaker 20: to get addicted to stuff, right because he's saying, go

1084
00:55:46,133 --> 00:55:49,613
Speaker 20: go on, do it, you know, But I mean I

1085
00:55:49,613 --> 00:55:53,253
Speaker 20: started when I was thirteen years old and managed to

1086
00:55:53,333 --> 00:55:58,413
Speaker 20: crawl out of a twenty nine and I still I

1087
00:55:58,493 --> 00:56:01,333
Speaker 20: still have issues with alcohol. So I'm trying to call

1088
00:56:01,373 --> 00:56:03,333
Speaker 20: out of alcohol. At the moment, I manas to stay

1089
00:56:03,333 --> 00:56:07,133
Speaker 20: away from from malwaana, but now I'm trying to call

1090
00:56:07,173 --> 00:56:10,973
Speaker 20: out of alcohol. But you know, when I was no

1091
00:56:11,053 --> 00:56:13,333
Speaker 20: one told me about it when I was young, because

1092
00:56:13,453 --> 00:56:17,893
Speaker 20: I'm fifty two now, and the way I found out

1093
00:56:17,933 --> 00:56:19,692
Speaker 20: about it was I smelt it one day and when

1094
00:56:19,773 --> 00:56:26,293
Speaker 20: walk that spells rather than what is that? And then

1095
00:56:26,613 --> 00:56:28,693
Speaker 20: I found it. You know, I went out of my

1096
00:56:28,733 --> 00:56:30,293
Speaker 20: way to find it because I wanted to know what

1097
00:56:30,333 --> 00:56:36,692
Speaker 20: it was. And the thing is with marijuana, like you

1098
00:56:36,773 --> 00:56:39,893
Speaker 20: smoke it and you get high from it, right, and

1099
00:56:39,933 --> 00:56:43,773
Speaker 20: then as you smoke more and more, that high starts

1100
00:56:43,773 --> 00:56:48,373
Speaker 20: getting harder and harder to get, so you smoke more

1101
00:56:48,413 --> 00:56:51,853
Speaker 20: in a sitting. When you smoke to get higher, you

1102
00:56:51,893 --> 00:56:55,093
Speaker 20: smoke more of it to get higher over a period

1103
00:56:55,093 --> 00:56:58,693
Speaker 20: of time until you can't afford to smoke the amount

1104
00:56:58,813 --> 00:57:01,333
Speaker 20: you need to get higher you want. So from there

1105
00:57:01,813 --> 00:57:04,692
Speaker 20: you're like, what can I get so I can get

1106
00:57:04,813 --> 00:57:07,053
Speaker 20: high out? It won't take so much, you know.

1107
00:57:08,453 --> 00:57:12,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had friends that have been heavy marijuana users,

1108
00:57:13,213 --> 00:57:17,293
Speaker 2: and they couldn't A couple of them couldn't eat until

1109
00:57:17,973 --> 00:57:20,733
Speaker 2: they had smoked weeed. They just the taste of food

1110
00:57:20,933 --> 00:57:23,613
Speaker 2: was disgusting to them until the smoke wheat. So then

1111
00:57:25,213 --> 00:57:28,333
Speaker 2: you'd have them driving all over town trying to get

1112
00:57:28,373 --> 00:57:31,253
Speaker 2: some weeed just before they could have dinner. Did you

1113
00:57:31,333 --> 00:57:32,253
Speaker 2: experience anything like that?

1114
00:57:32,373 --> 00:57:36,413
Speaker 20: Lea, Well, I couldn't afford to eat. Probably all my

1115
00:57:36,493 --> 00:57:40,933
Speaker 20: money went on marijuana. And when so I was, my

1116
00:57:41,093 --> 00:57:43,653
Speaker 20: stable diet was potato chips. You know, I buy a

1117
00:57:45,213 --> 00:57:48,013
Speaker 20: lot of cag of potatoes and I cut them up

1118
00:57:48,013 --> 00:57:51,893
Speaker 20: as chips. I'd eat them and vegiemi on toast. That's

1119
00:57:51,933 --> 00:57:54,533
Speaker 20: what I survived on for quite a long time.

1120
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Speaker 2: And how did you manage to cut back on marijuana?

1121
00:57:58,973 --> 00:58:01,093
Speaker 2: You said you did it when you're about twenty nine.

1122
00:58:01,333 --> 00:58:02,213
Speaker 2: How did you manage that?

1123
00:58:03,333 --> 00:58:03,533
Speaker 14: Well?

1124
00:58:03,573 --> 00:58:07,453
Speaker 21: I called turkey the twenty nine after I got stabs,

1125
00:58:07,853 --> 00:58:13,853
Speaker 21: and after I got the situation was stabbing and hid

1126
00:58:13,893 --> 00:58:18,453
Speaker 21: in the back, and then I started getting anxiety attacks.

1127
00:58:19,493 --> 00:58:24,773
Speaker 20: And when they basically diagnosed me with anxiety, depression, and

1128
00:58:24,933 --> 00:58:28,413
Speaker 20: shell shock, and I was like, you mean all three

1129
00:58:28,453 --> 00:58:28,813
Speaker 20: at once?

1130
00:58:31,093 --> 00:58:33,693
Speaker 3: But had some good reasons to quit cannabis.

1131
00:58:34,533 --> 00:58:36,853
Speaker 20: Yeah, but that really wasn't the main reason I did

1132
00:58:37,013 --> 00:58:40,533
Speaker 20: is because I had gone from cannabis to also you know,

1133
00:58:40,693 --> 00:58:43,813
Speaker 20: led snug a joint take a line of speed where

1134
00:58:43,853 --> 00:58:46,093
Speaker 20: if there was an acid tab available, I'd grabbed that

1135
00:58:46,493 --> 00:58:50,173
Speaker 20: magic mushrooms and I mean I went to the hospital

1136
00:58:50,373 --> 00:58:52,893
Speaker 20: and I had too many magic mushrooms one time and

1137
00:58:54,133 --> 00:58:56,773
Speaker 20: walked out of there just like what is going on

1138
00:58:56,853 --> 00:58:57,373
Speaker 20: in my life?

1139
00:58:57,413 --> 00:58:57,613
Speaker 21: You know?

1140
00:58:58,533 --> 00:59:01,093
Speaker 2: And you said that you so you got rid of

1141
00:59:01,093 --> 00:59:03,093
Speaker 2: the marijuana and you and you're off other drugs. But

1142
00:59:03,173 --> 00:59:06,693
Speaker 2: you were saying now that you ever struggled with alcohol?

1143
00:59:06,773 --> 00:59:07,293
Speaker 2: Is that true?

1144
00:59:09,373 --> 00:59:12,133
Speaker 20: I wasn't touch on at the time, right. So they

1145
00:59:12,133 --> 00:59:14,453
Speaker 20: have a place called Hamder Clinic. They used to there

1146
00:59:15,213 --> 00:59:18,853
Speaker 20: and some very brilliant guys were in charge of that,

1147
00:59:19,853 --> 00:59:22,533
Speaker 20: and so I called Turkey that one day I just

1148
00:59:22,613 --> 00:59:24,653
Speaker 20: went down. I actually lived in the mountain. It's quite

1149
00:59:24,693 --> 00:59:26,933
Speaker 20: close to the police station. And I got all my stuff,

1150
00:59:26,973 --> 00:59:29,093
Speaker 20: went down the police station. Rubbishmen was in front of it,

1151
00:59:29,253 --> 00:59:31,893
Speaker 20: just shoved it all in there and then walked away.

1152
00:59:32,053 --> 00:59:34,413
Speaker 20: It was kind of like saying that's it, you know,

1153
00:59:34,693 --> 00:59:38,613
Speaker 20: coming back and then from there I was like, well

1154
00:59:38,733 --> 00:59:41,333
Speaker 20: I need to find some help now. So I looked

1155
00:59:41,333 --> 00:59:45,253
Speaker 20: for NA Arcotics Anonymous and I went to see them,

1156
00:59:45,613 --> 00:59:49,653
Speaker 20: and I went to what they considered counseling through Hamdic Clinic,

1157
00:59:49,933 --> 00:59:54,213
Speaker 20: through the doctor, and they were brilliant, you know, so

1158
00:59:54,493 --> 00:59:57,293
Speaker 20: because I wanted to understand why I was. I had

1159
00:59:57,293 --> 01:00:00,653
Speaker 20: a like, why was I needing it when some other

1160
01:00:00,693 --> 01:00:04,013
Speaker 20: people didn't, you know? And so I wanted to understand

1161
01:00:04,013 --> 01:00:08,293
Speaker 20: it more. And they said to me, then you can't

1162
01:00:08,453 --> 01:00:12,013
Speaker 20: have alcohol. And if you have an alcohol, like you say,

1163
01:00:12,093 --> 01:00:14,693
Speaker 20: I'll get rid of the marijuana and I'll just have alcohol, right,

1164
01:00:14,933 --> 01:00:17,773
Speaker 20: and then I won't be addicted to marijuana. But they said,

1165
01:00:17,773 --> 01:00:20,413
Speaker 20: you'll get addicted to alcohol. I was like, and you'll

1166
01:00:20,413 --> 01:00:23,013
Speaker 20: go back to drugs, that's the other thing they said.

1167
01:00:23,373 --> 01:00:26,493
Speaker 20: But I never went back to drugs. But I I

1168
01:00:26,613 --> 01:00:30,293
Speaker 20: just couldn't, like I wouldn't say I was addicted to alcohol,

1169
01:00:30,333 --> 01:00:32,533
Speaker 20: but I still needed that sort of a high or

1170
01:00:32,533 --> 01:00:35,093
Speaker 20: sort of that way to just get away.

1171
01:00:35,773 --> 01:00:37,733
Speaker 2: And are you are you have you reached out to

1172
01:00:37,773 --> 01:00:41,853
Speaker 2: anyone to try and get off get off alcohol.

1173
01:00:42,813 --> 01:00:46,613
Speaker 20: I've tried. I'm at the moment on cold I'm cold

1174
01:00:46,653 --> 01:00:51,053
Speaker 20: Turkey on five days now, this cold Turky off as well,

1175
01:00:51,493 --> 01:00:56,133
Speaker 20: but it's I mean there's other stuff there, right. The

1176
01:00:56,213 --> 01:00:58,853
Speaker 20: doctors that I had ADHD when I was young, which

1177
01:00:58,933 --> 01:01:03,813
Speaker 20: everybody you know, yeah, quotes with ADHD. It's like you're

1178
01:01:03,893 --> 01:01:07,933
Speaker 20: sort of medica medicating yourself. Right to give yourself normal,

1179
01:01:08,773 --> 01:01:12,133
Speaker 20: is what they say. But I don't know whether I

1180
01:01:12,173 --> 01:01:14,253
Speaker 20: had that or not. I don't even know if that exists.

1181
01:01:14,453 --> 01:01:17,853
Speaker 20: I just know that I got stuck on marijuana because

1182
01:01:17,853 --> 01:01:20,573
Speaker 20: it was I remember when I was in the middle

1183
01:01:20,613 --> 01:01:23,413
Speaker 20: of it, I felt like if I didn't have marijuana,

1184
01:01:23,453 --> 01:01:27,733
Speaker 20: it wasn't even worth being alive, you know. And I

1185
01:01:27,773 --> 01:01:31,173
Speaker 20: thought when the idea of giving up marijuana was like,

1186
01:01:31,253 --> 01:01:34,413
Speaker 20: I had a bud tattooed on the side of me.

1187
01:01:34,493 --> 01:01:37,733
Speaker 20: That's how intensely I loved it, you know.

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01:01:38,013 --> 01:01:38,693
Speaker 19: Yeah.

1189
01:01:38,813 --> 01:01:43,973
Speaker 20: And and now I've tattooed over that because I go

1190
01:01:44,093 --> 01:01:46,893
Speaker 20: against it. Now it's not funny. And it's not because

1191
01:01:47,653 --> 01:01:49,653
Speaker 20: I want to stop people having fun. I just know

1192
01:01:50,533 --> 01:01:53,213
Speaker 20: the damage it can do. And not only has damage me,

1193
01:01:53,853 --> 01:01:57,413
Speaker 20: it's it's damaged my family, Like my parents went through

1194
01:01:57,733 --> 01:02:00,933
Speaker 20: absolute hell with me because I had these mood swings.

1195
01:02:01,253 --> 01:02:03,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you so much for sharing the story

1196
01:02:04,013 --> 01:02:04,373
Speaker 2: of this link.

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01:02:04,533 --> 01:02:07,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, very brave. Right, that is where we'll leave it

1198
01:02:07,853 --> 01:02:10,333
Speaker 3: one more weeks to finish up. Hey Matt, I'm curious

1199
01:02:10,373 --> 01:02:12,453
Speaker 3: about the band your friend missed at the big day out.

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01:02:12,453 --> 01:02:14,693
Speaker 3: Which band was it? Please? Great show and.

1201
01:02:14,693 --> 01:02:20,293
Speaker 2: My friend when I had the when this person rode

1202
01:02:20,293 --> 01:02:21,053
Speaker 2: against machine.

1203
01:02:21,293 --> 01:02:24,133
Speaker 3: Oh no, that's not the one you want to miss.

1204
01:02:24,773 --> 01:02:27,333
Speaker 3: Thank you. Great discussion. Right after the headlines, we are

1205
01:02:27,333 --> 01:02:29,133
Speaker 3: going to chat about Christmas trees.

1206
01:02:29,773 --> 01:02:30,733
Speaker 2: Oh Christmas trees.

1207
01:02:30,853 --> 01:02:32,293
Speaker 3: Oh Christmas tree.

1208
01:02:32,453 --> 01:02:34,933
Speaker 2: I didn't actually get round to finishing off the half

1209
01:02:34,973 --> 01:02:37,053
Speaker 2: story I told about my addiction to pain collers.

1210
01:02:37,133 --> 01:02:38,333
Speaker 3: Oh okay, we'll get that very short.

1211
01:02:38,493 --> 01:02:39,773
Speaker 2: We should get that one out of us. I leave

1212
01:02:39,773 --> 01:02:40,293
Speaker 2: people hanging.

1213
01:02:40,293 --> 01:02:43,013
Speaker 3: Okay, let's talk about tremdole first, then Christmas trees. It

1214
01:02:43,133 --> 01:02:44,253
Speaker 3: is twenty seven to three.

1215
01:02:47,053 --> 01:02:47,693
Speaker 2: News talks.

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Speaker 14: It'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble

1217
01:02:51,373 --> 01:02:54,813
Speaker 14: with a blue bubble. An elderly Up Valley man has

1218
01:02:54,933 --> 01:02:57,773
Speaker 14: died after an arson attack on a block of Stokes

1219
01:02:57,813 --> 01:03:02,893
Speaker 14: Valley Flats last week, sparking a homicide investigation. Pressure is

1220
01:03:02,973 --> 01:03:06,813
Speaker 14: mounting on speaker Jerry Brownly to u turn on blocking

1221
01:03:06,933 --> 01:03:11,613
Speaker 14: journalist Aaron Smaile covering tomorrow's state apology to survivors of

1222
01:03:11,613 --> 01:03:16,173
Speaker 14: abuse and care. A nine day HIKOI left Caprianga this

1223
01:03:16,253 --> 01:03:20,213
Speaker 14: morning bound for Parliament protesting the Treaty Principal's Bill, which

1224
01:03:20,253 --> 01:03:24,013
Speaker 14: has its first reading on Thursday. Hundreds of people have

1225
01:03:24,093 --> 01:03:27,853
Speaker 14: been killed in attacks on villages in eastern Sudan over

1226
01:03:27,893 --> 01:03:32,293
Speaker 14: the past ten days by Sudanese powermilitary rapid support forces.

1227
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Speaker 14: The West Coast State Highway six will stay closed all

1228
01:03:36,133 --> 01:03:39,533
Speaker 14: week between Heart and Knight's Point after rain damage over

1229
01:03:39,573 --> 01:03:44,533
Speaker 14: the weekend. Deputy Police Commissioner Tanyakuda has begun her tenure

1230
01:03:44,573 --> 01:03:49,933
Speaker 14: as interim Commissioner, replacing Andrew Costa. Farmak will fund stimulant

1231
01:03:50,013 --> 01:03:54,053
Speaker 14: medicine v vans for people with ADHD from December. It's

1232
01:03:54,093 --> 01:03:56,613
Speaker 14: expected to benefit more than six thousand people in the

1233
01:03:56,653 --> 01:04:00,293
Speaker 14: first year, growing to about thirteen thousand after five years.

1234
01:04:01,253 --> 01:04:04,573
Speaker 14: Political power rankings Audrey Young looks at the top ten

1235
01:04:04,773 --> 01:04:08,293
Speaker 14: MPs making an impact in opposition. See the full column

1236
01:04:08,493 --> 01:04:11,693
Speaker 14: ens in Herold Premium. Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

1237
01:04:11,733 --> 01:04:14,453
Speaker 3: Thank you, Ray Lean twenty three to three. Just before

1238
01:04:14,493 --> 01:04:16,133
Speaker 3: we move on to the next topic, man.

1239
01:04:16,173 --> 01:04:18,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I was just the same. We

1240
01:04:18,413 --> 01:04:20,373
Speaker 2: were talking about addiction before and I was, you know,

1241
01:04:20,613 --> 01:04:22,253
Speaker 2: and what people are going to get addicted to.

1242
01:04:23,053 --> 01:04:23,133
Speaker 14: And.

1243
01:04:24,773 --> 01:04:28,733
Speaker 2: You know, around marijuana, and a few callers for people

1244
01:04:29,013 --> 01:04:32,733
Speaker 2: who were talking about their addiction with marijuana. I got

1245
01:04:32,733 --> 01:04:36,533
Speaker 2: a I had my had back surgery when I broke

1246
01:04:36,573 --> 01:04:39,773
Speaker 2: my back, and the surgery got delayed quite a lot,

1247
01:04:39,853 --> 01:04:44,253
Speaker 2: so I was left on the painkillers, the tramadole for

1248
01:04:44,733 --> 01:04:49,053
Speaker 2: quite a long time, and I was just complete. I'd

1249
01:04:49,093 --> 01:04:50,893
Speaker 2: never been addicted to anything before in my life, and

1250
01:04:50,933 --> 01:04:54,813
Speaker 2: I was absolutely fully addicted to these things. Yeah, taking

1251
01:04:54,853 --> 01:04:58,333
Speaker 2: way more than I should. And then when the surgery

1252
01:04:58,373 --> 01:05:00,573
Speaker 2: had been done, I stayed on it for much longer

1253
01:05:00,613 --> 01:05:04,013
Speaker 2: than I should. And when I decided to have to

1254
01:05:04,013 --> 01:05:05,573
Speaker 2: get off them, I can't remember about two years of

1255
01:05:05,613 --> 01:05:08,253
Speaker 2: my life. I was functioning person. I was going around.

1256
01:05:08,333 --> 01:05:10,173
Speaker 2: I was amazing at putting the kids to bed and

1257
01:05:10,213 --> 01:05:13,533
Speaker 2: stuff because I was so so quiet, but I wasn't

1258
01:05:13,533 --> 01:05:15,973
Speaker 2: creating memories. It was quite a bizarre time.

1259
01:05:16,173 --> 01:05:17,253
Speaker 3: How long were you on them for?

1260
01:05:17,733 --> 01:05:19,613
Speaker 2: God gosh, eighteen months?

1261
01:05:19,693 --> 01:05:20,053
Speaker 3: Wow?

1262
01:05:20,733 --> 01:05:23,653
Speaker 2: And then and then when I finally got decided I

1263
01:05:23,653 --> 01:05:27,173
Speaker 2: had to do them, I got some great advice from

1264
01:05:27,173 --> 01:05:28,973
Speaker 2: my father who just read something and he said, don't

1265
01:05:28,973 --> 01:05:31,853
Speaker 2: take well, you've still got some. Don't don't take the

1266
01:05:31,933 --> 01:05:33,613
Speaker 2: last one. So I just put them on the end

1267
01:05:33,613 --> 01:05:35,773
Speaker 2: of by the TV on the other side of my

1268
01:05:35,773 --> 01:05:37,613
Speaker 2: bedroom and then just locked myself from the room and

1269
01:05:37,613 --> 01:05:41,133
Speaker 2: stared at them for about two days of just scratching.

1270
01:05:41,173 --> 01:05:41,453
Speaker 18: And it was.

1271
01:05:43,013 --> 01:05:44,053
Speaker 2: Horrible getting off them.

1272
01:05:44,093 --> 01:05:45,853
Speaker 3: It's a proper train spotting moment.

1273
01:05:46,253 --> 01:05:48,653
Speaker 2: It was. It was full on and at that point,

1274
01:05:48,733 --> 01:05:52,413
Speaker 2: because I'd never really been that sympathetic to people with addiction,

1275
01:05:52,493 --> 01:05:56,733
Speaker 2: I didn't really understand it. And it is an intense thing,

1276
01:05:56,973 --> 01:06:01,213
Speaker 2: like your entire body and the paranoia and the self

1277
01:06:01,253 --> 01:06:06,133
Speaker 2: hatred and the every part of your body hurting. It's intense.

1278
01:06:06,333 --> 01:06:08,813
Speaker 2: That sounds horrible and intense getting off the tram And.

1279
01:06:08,773 --> 01:06:10,773
Speaker 3: How long what two days that you just had to

1280
01:06:10,773 --> 01:06:12,493
Speaker 3: go through hell before it started to get better?

1281
01:06:12,573 --> 01:06:16,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, not sleeping, just it was horrible. Now to this day,

1282
01:06:17,013 --> 01:06:19,933
Speaker 2: if anyone mentioned stramadol, I like, no, I'd love to

1283
01:06:19,933 --> 01:06:22,333
Speaker 2: have a tremdal right now, absolutely.

1284
01:06:21,933 --> 01:06:24,973
Speaker 3: Love But yeah, great story. Right, let's have a chat

1285
01:06:25,013 --> 01:06:29,653
Speaker 3: about Christmas trees. There has been some concern over the

1286
01:06:29,693 --> 01:06:33,373
Speaker 3: costs spent on Auckland's new Fandangle Christmas tree one point

1287
01:06:33,413 --> 01:06:36,573
Speaker 3: two million dollars hard of the city Vibec. She says

1288
01:06:36,613 --> 01:06:38,613
Speaker 3: the cost of the tree was being split three ways.

1289
01:06:38,613 --> 01:06:41,693
Speaker 3: An Auckland Council's portion was coming from a rate paid

1290
01:06:41,693 --> 01:06:44,573
Speaker 3: by the city center property owners, businesses and residents, not

1291
01:06:44,613 --> 01:06:47,933
Speaker 3: from the general rates. She said that they committed when

1292
01:06:47,933 --> 01:06:51,413
Speaker 3: we had to retire center, the Ugly Center just before COVID,

1293
01:06:51,613 --> 01:06:54,693
Speaker 3: that we would bring a significant you Christmas activation to

1294
01:06:54,773 --> 01:06:58,133
Speaker 3: the central city and we're absolutely delighted that the precinct

1295
01:06:58,133 --> 01:07:02,133
Speaker 3: properties an Auckland Council has acknowledged the priority of rejuvenating

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Speaker 3: the central city with this beautiful new one point two

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Speaker 3: million dollar tree. She went on to say, we want

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Speaker 3: to be able to at families here to the inner

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Speaker 3: city brings some magic. Other cities invest in Christmas and

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Speaker 3: it's the biggest trading month of the year, so we

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Speaker 3: wanted to do something special.

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Speaker 2: So a one point two million dollar Christmas tree, which

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Speaker 2: it's one of those moments that we keep having in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand where we can't believe how many how much

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Speaker 2: things cost. I mean, it's a great Christmas tree. It's

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Speaker 2: eighteen meters tall, more than ten thousand aled lights, four

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01:07:34,933 --> 01:07:41,333
Speaker 2: thousand Pudakawa flower decorations, two hundred giant baubles, and they

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Speaker 2: believe it will lasts less ten years one hundred and

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Speaker 2: twenty four thousand dollars a year. But when I hear

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Speaker 2: a tree like that, I go, well, even one hundred

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars seas a lot for it. Yeah, for a tree,

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Speaker 2: I mean one point two million dollar. If you're actually

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Speaker 2: just going to build a fully functional house for one

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Speaker 2: point two million dollars, if you get about the land,

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Speaker 2: good point, and you would be creating something incredibly spectacular.

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01:08:03,053 --> 01:08:09,253
Speaker 2: We're talking five bedrooms with en sweet bathrooms, living areas

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Speaker 2: for a one point two million dollar build. That's phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: So I'm in two minds about this because you know so,

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Speaker 2: Auckland rate Payers Alliance spokesperson Sam Warren said, it's a

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Speaker 2: bit of a shame. I find myself being the Grinch

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Speaker 2: this year. But I wouldn't be doing my job if

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Speaker 2: I didn't question the spending. I think it's too much.

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Speaker 2: You can't help, but wonder if it could have been

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Speaker 2: done for less. It does seem like the Christmas tree

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Speaker 2: could be done for less than one point two million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Having said that, love a Christmas tree, and I love

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Speaker 2: Christmas and I love the idea of people in the

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Speaker 2: city going into town to have a tradition around a

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Speaker 2: really amazing Christmas tree, you know, the turning on of

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Speaker 2: the lights, of course, I mean very famous. What happens

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Speaker 2: in the Rockefeller Park plaza in New York City with

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Speaker 2: that Christmas tree. There's something very very cool about it.

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Speaker 2: So you know, if there's one thing, and look, I'm

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Speaker 2: biased on this because I love everything to do with Christmas.

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Speaker 2: It's my favorite time of the year. It's the most

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Speaker 2: wonderful time of the year. I mean, one of my

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Speaker 2: biggest regrets about my kids getting older is because I

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Speaker 2: can't enforce the level of Christmas celebration I have on them.

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Speaker 2: A whole month of listening to Christmas tunes. I love it.

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Speaker 2: I used to climb on the roof and pretend to

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Speaker 2: be center and n little boughs.

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Speaker 4: It's nice.

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01:09:24,293 --> 01:09:27,053
Speaker 3: I freaking love Christia to get into it.

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Speaker 2: I love it. It's such a magical time of the year.

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01:09:30,612 --> 01:09:34,932
Speaker 2: So I'm all for a big, cack ass Christmas tree

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Speaker 2: for people to celebrate what's a very very beautiful season.

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Speaker 2: But one point two million it just leads to the

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Speaker 2: wider question of why does everything costs so much to

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01:09:45,333 --> 01:09:48,372
Speaker 2: make in New Zealand, especially if there's a government department

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Speaker 2: involved in it or a city council.

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Speaker 3: Well, this one's meant to last twenty years, so what

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Speaker 3: does that bring it to per year? It's about fifty

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars give all take. That's still a lot of money.

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Speaker 3: And look, I get one point two million dollars for

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Speaker 3: a tree. There is a heck of a lot of money.

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Speaker 3: But I'd far prefer a tree than a speed bump.

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01:10:05,372 --> 01:10:08,253
Speaker 3: Speed bumps are about that one point two million a tree,

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01:10:08,492 --> 01:10:09,852
Speaker 3: way nice or way more fun.

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Speaker 2: Where's your one point two billion dollar speed bump?

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Speaker 3: I will find your speed from one point two million,

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Speaker 3: don't worry about that.

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Speaker 2: There's the peanut shaped roundabout in Dunedin out near by

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Speaker 2: the beach that cost I think it was one point

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Speaker 2: two million, and that was impressive. It was impressive that

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Speaker 2: you can have been that much on a round about. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I mean I would want to see if I say,

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Speaker 2: if it's a one point two million dollar tree, I

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01:10:28,412 --> 01:10:30,892
Speaker 2: want to be blown away. I want to fall over

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01:10:30,973 --> 01:10:33,452
Speaker 2: back with this Christmas good cheer. I want to be

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Speaker 2: immediately start singing Santa Clauses coming to town as soon

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Speaker 2: as I see it. I want it to be like

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Speaker 2: the end of mal the end of Elf.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In terms of the amount of Christmas spirit, I want

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Speaker 2: it to be able to so much Christmas spirit it

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01:10:44,893 --> 01:10:48,333
Speaker 2: can feel Sandus sleigh for one point two million.

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Speaker 3: Right, let me try and sell it to you. So

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01:10:49,692 --> 01:10:52,692
Speaker 3: this tree eighteen meters tall, how are you feeling now?

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01:10:52,692 --> 01:10:53,772
Speaker 3: You feel in the Christmas spirit?

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Speaker 19: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: As I said before, eighteen meters tall, ten thousand dollard lights.

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01:10:56,973 --> 01:11:01,173
Speaker 2: That's impressive for forty four thousand per decor, flower decorations,

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01:11:01,452 --> 01:11:04,452
Speaker 2: two hundred giant bables. I mean it's flash Yeah, that's

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01:11:04,492 --> 01:11:06,412
Speaker 2: a nice tree. Yeah. I mean I haven't seen it yet.

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Speaker 2: And it's made from solid material that's very different from

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Speaker 2: an inside of a maul tree. It has to endure

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Speaker 2: the elements. It's stainless steel. It's outside and as they say,

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Speaker 2: they're hoping that lasts at least ten years, which is

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01:11:20,053 --> 01:11:22,572
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty four thousand dollars a year. If

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Speaker 2: it lasts for ten years.

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01:11:24,253 --> 01:11:26,692
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty, how do you feel

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01:11:26,732 --> 01:11:28,892
Speaker 3: about this? Is this money? Well spent one point two

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01:11:28,933 --> 01:11:32,452
Speaker 3: million for this new fandangle Christmas tree for Auckland or

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01:11:32,532 --> 01:11:34,972
Speaker 3: is it just crazy? Love to hear from you nine

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Speaker 3: two nine two We are we teased to the break.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned the Rockefeller tree there. How much do you

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Speaker 3: think that costs on a yearly basis? Because it is

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Speaker 3: a real tree, it's donated each year, but there is

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Speaker 3: a cost associated to it.

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Speaker 2: It's a massive tree. Yeah, yeah, bringing that in.

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Speaker 3: If you think you know nine two nine to twos

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01:11:55,293 --> 01:11:55,932
Speaker 3: you want to take a.

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Speaker 2: Step, I'm going to say two hundred thousand dollars a year.

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01:12:01,452 --> 01:12:02,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, two hundred two.

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Speaker 2: Hundred thousand dollars a year. Yeah, I mean that's another question.

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Speaker 2: This tree that we've got here is gonna last ten years?

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Speaker 2: Could we not have just hacked hacked down a big

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Speaker 2: tree and put it on a truck and brought it

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01:12:12,213 --> 01:12:15,053
Speaker 2: into town every year? You can find an eighteen meter

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01:12:15,173 --> 01:12:16,053
Speaker 2: pine tree out there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, just on that questioning you befo real or fake?

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01:12:19,933 --> 01:12:22,933
Speaker 2: Real all the way? Yeah, yeah, real Christmas tree. You

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01:12:23,013 --> 01:12:26,412
Speaker 2: can't go fake, you can't. It's it's the pine needle smell.

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01:12:26,452 --> 01:12:28,293
Speaker 2: It's the most it's one of the most important parts

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Speaker 2: of Christmas.

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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty Love to hear your

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01:12:31,173 --> 01:12:35,412
Speaker 3: thoughts on this one. It is bang on quarter to three.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Tyler Adams is taking your calls on oh,

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01:12:38,812 --> 01:12:43,333
Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty eth and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be very good afternoon to you. We're talking about

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01:12:45,692 --> 01:12:48,653
Speaker 3: the one point two million dollar price tag for Auckland's

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01:12:48,692 --> 01:12:52,412
Speaker 3: new Christmas tree. It's caused some concern considering the situation

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01:12:52,492 --> 01:12:55,052
Speaker 3: we're in right now, that there's not enough money for anything.

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01:12:55,572 --> 01:12:59,093
Speaker 3: I mentioned before. The Rockefeller Tree, very famous tree in

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Speaker 3: New York.

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Speaker 2: And the Rockefeller Plaza. It's put up there every year.

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01:13:01,893 --> 01:13:02,772
Speaker 2: That's a real tree.

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01:13:02,933 --> 01:13:05,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a real tree. So I asked the question,

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01:13:05,692 --> 01:13:07,933
Speaker 3: how much do you think it costs per year to

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01:13:07,973 --> 01:13:11,812
Speaker 3: bring an the Rockefeller Tree? This Texas says, I reckon

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01:13:11,812 --> 01:13:15,372
Speaker 3: about seventy thousand yu Wes pretty close, So I'll just

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01:13:15,372 --> 01:13:17,612
Speaker 3: read this out. Estimates say it would cost more than

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01:13:17,652 --> 01:13:20,653
Speaker 3: seventy three thousand dollars year Wes with all things considered,

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01:13:20,853 --> 01:13:23,132
Speaker 3: while the tree itself has donated, it's even a huge

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01:13:23,133 --> 01:13:25,133
Speaker 3: cost for a gift of that magnitude that would need

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01:13:25,173 --> 01:13:28,412
Speaker 3: to be added expensive transporting something that heavy, all those

1437
01:13:28,452 --> 01:13:30,532
Speaker 3: two hundred miles. That's not to mention the cost of

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01:13:30,572 --> 01:13:34,013
Speaker 3: electricity to keep all those lights going every day from

1439
01:13:34,053 --> 01:13:36,732
Speaker 3: six am to twelve am for more than forty days.

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Speaker 2: I mean, but if you think about it, So that's

1441
01:13:38,532 --> 01:13:43,492
Speaker 2: a seventy foot tall Norway spruce from West Stockbridge and Massachusetts.

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01:13:43,532 --> 01:13:45,172
Speaker 2: That's the tree they're putting up there in the Rockefeller

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01:13:45,213 --> 01:13:48,293
Speaker 2: Center this year. Beautiful around Christmas. If you've been in

1444
01:13:48,293 --> 01:13:49,973
Speaker 2: New York round Christmas, I haven't known. You've got the

1445
01:13:50,013 --> 01:13:51,933
Speaker 2: ice skating down there in the Rockefeller Center, you've got

1446
01:13:51,933 --> 01:13:56,532
Speaker 2: the tree. It's incredibly beautiful, fantastic. But they're having to

1447
01:13:56,572 --> 01:13:59,492
Speaker 2: bring that tree, in the real tree with cranes into

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01:13:59,612 --> 01:14:03,012
Speaker 2: New York City. It's a very very very complex place

1449
01:14:03,053 --> 01:14:06,732
Speaker 2: to try and get anything done. And seventy thousand, so

1450
01:14:06,772 --> 01:14:09,773
Speaker 2: what are we saying about one hundred forty thousand New Zealand.

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01:14:09,532 --> 01:14:12,813
Speaker 3: Roughly yep, About the same as this tree in Auckland.

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01:14:12,812 --> 01:14:15,692
Speaker 2: About the same as this tree in Auckland, which is

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01:14:15,692 --> 01:14:19,772
Speaker 2: one point two million, But they're expecting it to operate

1454
01:14:20,053 --> 01:14:22,852
Speaker 2: for ten years, which is one hundred and twenty four thousand,

1455
01:14:22,853 --> 01:14:27,013
Speaker 2: So very similar that tree, the one in Auckland's going

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01:14:27,053 --> 01:14:30,253
Speaker 2: to be eighteen meters high, so shorter, shorter than the one.

1457
01:14:30,492 --> 01:14:32,612
Speaker 2: But then even you've got to ask about how much

1458
01:14:32,652 --> 01:14:35,812
Speaker 2: the tree is. I mean, does that one point two million?

1459
01:14:36,013 --> 01:14:38,173
Speaker 2: Does that just the construction of the stainless steel tree

1460
01:14:38,772 --> 01:14:43,412
Speaker 2: or does that also include the security around it and

1461
01:14:43,772 --> 01:14:47,173
Speaker 2: the installation and the storage? Yeh is it more than that?

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01:14:47,492 --> 01:14:47,652
Speaker 13: Well?

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01:14:47,732 --> 01:14:50,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, good point. I mean this text is on that point.

1464
01:14:51,013 --> 01:14:53,253
Speaker 3: Don't forget. Storage will be one hundred thousand dollars if

1465
01:14:53,253 --> 01:14:56,133
Speaker 3: it's a government job installation, one hundred k remove or

1466
01:14:56,173 --> 01:14:59,932
Speaker 3: one hundred k. There will be security watching it while

1467
01:14:59,933 --> 01:15:02,253
Speaker 3: it's up as well and gets put away for ten

1468
01:15:02,293 --> 01:15:03,012
Speaker 3: months of the year.

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01:15:03,652 --> 01:15:05,932
Speaker 2: It was always weird when you saw the big Santa

1470
01:15:05,933 --> 01:15:09,612
Speaker 2: Claus when he wasn't up again it's the farmer's building. Yeah,

1471
01:15:09,652 --> 01:15:11,093
Speaker 2: he was, you could there was a there was an

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01:15:11,093 --> 01:15:12,612
Speaker 2: area you could find him. They kept him in a

1473
01:15:12,893 --> 01:15:16,692
Speaker 2: sort of a large field and bits. It's quite terrifying.

1474
01:15:16,732 --> 01:15:19,253
Speaker 3: Why did they get rid of that ugly center? Speaking

1475
01:15:19,293 --> 01:15:22,053
Speaker 3: as a South Islander who's just comed up to Auckland, yeah,

1476
01:15:22,093 --> 01:15:24,253
Speaker 3: I know it was very controversial, but what it was

1477
01:15:24,412 --> 01:15:26,412
Speaker 3: his time to go. It was too much to keep

1478
01:15:26,452 --> 01:15:27,093
Speaker 3: repairing them.

1479
01:15:27,213 --> 01:15:29,053
Speaker 2: I think I think it was it was too hard

1480
01:15:29,093 --> 01:15:31,492
Speaker 2: to repair. I think it wasn't that he was creepy

1481
01:15:31,532 --> 01:15:34,293
Speaker 2: with his little finger, this little cum heather finger. I

1482
01:15:34,293 --> 01:15:38,012
Speaker 2: don't think he was put away for creepiness. I think

1483
01:15:38,053 --> 01:15:42,173
Speaker 2: it was, if I remember rightly, it was just falling

1484
01:15:42,213 --> 01:15:43,652
Speaker 2: to pieces, and it was it was too hard to

1485
01:15:43,652 --> 01:15:45,732
Speaker 2: put it. Put him up every year. It was. It

1486
01:15:45,772 --> 01:15:47,652
Speaker 2: was very odd because you had that Santa Claus for

1487
01:15:47,692 --> 01:15:50,412
Speaker 2: a while looked pretty creepy, and then they gave him

1488
01:15:50,452 --> 01:15:52,452
Speaker 2: some plastic surgery like a face lift. They did his

1489
01:15:52,532 --> 01:15:55,652
Speaker 2: eyes and they did his forehead and tried to make

1490
01:15:55,692 --> 01:16:01,732
Speaker 2: him look less creepy, and spect failed terribly. I mean, whoever,

1491
01:16:01,812 --> 01:16:03,852
Speaker 2: it was a different era when you thought that Santa

1492
01:16:03,853 --> 01:16:06,412
Speaker 2: Claus with a come heather finger and just one winking

1493
01:16:06,452 --> 01:16:09,092
Speaker 2: eye was was going to be good cheer.

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01:16:09,093 --> 01:16:13,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, simpler times quick chet year. Funny, how we're all different.

1495
01:16:13,572 --> 01:16:15,852
Speaker 3: I haven't had a Christmas tree for twenty five to

1496
01:16:15,853 --> 01:16:19,333
Speaker 3: thirty years. I don't celebrate it really, apart from having

1497
01:16:19,333 --> 01:16:21,933
Speaker 3: some cigars and moonshine on the back porch on my

1498
01:16:22,053 --> 01:16:23,692
Speaker 3: own from Tony and Tony.

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01:16:23,732 --> 01:16:27,772
Speaker 2: That's why Santa has troublepowering a sleigh because it's powered

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01:16:27,772 --> 01:16:30,173
Speaker 2: on people believing in Santa Claus.

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01:16:30,652 --> 01:16:32,572
Speaker 3: Right, it is eight minutes to three. Will take some

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01:16:32,612 --> 01:16:34,932
Speaker 3: of your phone calls very surely. You're listening to Matt

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01:16:34,933 --> 01:16:36,372
Speaker 3: and Tyler good Afternoon.

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Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

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01:16:39,933 --> 01:16:43,372
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons. You

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01:16:43,532 --> 01:16:45,372
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four. You've talked z.

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01:16:45,532 --> 01:16:48,452
Speaker 3: B News Talks he B it is five to three,

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01:16:48,532 --> 01:16:50,812
Speaker 3: Get a Tony good Ey.

1509
01:16:50,772 --> 01:16:51,572
Speaker 4: Tyler Adam.

1510
01:16:52,532 --> 01:16:53,852
Speaker 7: Have there anyone thought about the.

1511
01:16:53,812 --> 01:16:55,652
Speaker 4: Cost of the tree in Trafalgar Square?

1512
01:16:56,652 --> 01:16:59,732
Speaker 3: No? How much does the tree in Trafalgar Square cost?

1513
01:17:00,173 --> 01:17:02,972
Speaker 4: I know it's a gift from the people of Norway

1514
01:17:03,133 --> 01:17:04,333
Speaker 4: to the people of England.

1515
01:17:04,572 --> 01:17:05,892
Speaker 3: Yeah, since the war.

1516
01:17:06,572 --> 01:17:08,572
Speaker 4: But I would say that a cost of four watch

1517
01:17:08,652 --> 01:17:11,253
Speaker 4: and trying to get that but it would be eighteen

1518
01:17:11,293 --> 01:17:15,093
Speaker 4: trade to meters high. Yeah, it would. You imagine getting

1519
01:17:15,133 --> 01:17:16,412
Speaker 4: that into the city of London.

1520
01:17:17,133 --> 01:17:20,093
Speaker 2: So there must be something about Norwegian trees because the

1521
01:17:20,093 --> 01:17:23,133
Speaker 2: one they use at the Rockefeller Center in Norway is

1522
01:17:23,173 --> 01:17:24,852
Speaker 2: also a Norwegian spruce.

1523
01:17:25,093 --> 01:17:26,173
Speaker 3: Yeah. Good trees.

1524
01:17:27,572 --> 01:17:32,213
Speaker 2: Shape, I think, yeah, right, tall people in tall trees. Yeahay.

1525
01:17:32,372 --> 01:17:35,452
Speaker 3: What was the story about Norway giving it to England?

1526
01:17:35,612 --> 01:17:37,772
Speaker 4: It was a gift of the people of Norway after

1527
01:17:37,812 --> 01:17:41,613
Speaker 4: the war, because of course Norway was under the domination

1528
01:17:41,732 --> 01:17:43,213
Speaker 4: of the Nazis.

1529
01:17:43,253 --> 01:17:46,412
Speaker 2: Right, and so as a big, big, big thank you,

1530
01:17:46,133 --> 01:17:46,612
Speaker 2: thank you.

1531
01:17:46,732 --> 01:17:46,932
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1532
01:17:46,973 --> 01:17:49,973
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a gift in perpetuity and it's continued all

1533
01:17:50,013 --> 01:17:50,612
Speaker 4: these years.

1534
01:17:50,732 --> 01:17:53,812
Speaker 2: And I wonder if Norway pay all the expenses or

1535
01:17:53,812 --> 01:17:58,293
Speaker 2: they just dump dump a seventy four foot tall tree.

1536
01:17:57,612 --> 01:18:01,333
Speaker 4: They could probably afford it better than the Palms can

1537
01:18:01,372 --> 01:18:01,852
Speaker 4: at the moment.

1538
01:18:03,652 --> 01:18:05,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, noise on that sweet oil money.

1539
01:18:05,772 --> 01:18:08,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, now that's a good point, Tony. And when it

1540
01:18:08,572 --> 01:18:10,053
Speaker 3: was the last time, When was the last time you

1541
01:18:10,053 --> 01:18:11,572
Speaker 3: saw the Trafalgar Square tree?

1542
01:18:12,333 --> 01:18:15,492
Speaker 4: I've never been to London in winter. It's two you

1543
01:18:15,532 --> 01:18:17,532
Speaker 4: don't move very well. It's a long time since I

1544
01:18:17,572 --> 01:18:20,372
Speaker 4: came to live in New Zealand, but it's not easier

1545
01:18:20,412 --> 01:18:23,253
Speaker 4: to get around England in winter. Yeah, it wasn't when

1546
01:18:23,253 --> 01:18:23,812
Speaker 4: I was a boy.

1547
01:18:24,213 --> 01:18:26,532
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, nice to hear from your Tony, as always,

1548
01:18:26,572 --> 01:18:27,452
Speaker 3: thank you very much.

1549
01:18:27,893 --> 01:18:28,093
Speaker 15: Right.

1550
01:18:28,173 --> 01:18:31,053
Speaker 3: I think Matt, judging by the texts coming through, that

1551
01:18:31,053 --> 01:18:32,892
Speaker 3: people are not so happy with the one point two

1552
01:18:32,893 --> 01:18:35,892
Speaker 3: million dollars spent on this tree. They love Christmas, but

1553
01:18:36,013 --> 01:18:37,812
Speaker 3: as you said, you could probably do it for one

1554
01:18:37,853 --> 01:18:38,772
Speaker 3: hundred k you reckon.

1555
01:18:39,133 --> 01:18:40,532
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm not going to tree up for much

1556
01:18:40,612 --> 01:18:44,692
Speaker 2: cheaper then one point two million, but I will, how

1557
01:18:44,732 --> 01:18:47,412
Speaker 2: we ever, go down and admire it because I love

1558
01:18:48,293 --> 01:18:50,452
Speaker 2: I love a good Christmas tree, and this one does

1559
01:18:50,532 --> 01:18:54,253
Speaker 2: sound like it is going to be spectacular. Eighteen meters tall,

1560
01:18:54,652 --> 01:18:57,692
Speaker 2: ten thousand elarity lights, four thousand per car flowers and

1561
01:18:57,732 --> 01:18:58,692
Speaker 2: two hundred giant bore.

1562
01:18:58,893 --> 01:19:02,293
Speaker 3: Three to three news talks it'd be. It is twenty

1563
01:19:02,333 --> 01:19:05,412
Speaker 3: two past three and we're talking about personality on the field,

1564
01:19:05,652 --> 01:19:08,132
Speaker 3: whether good or bad. On the back of the AB's

1565
01:19:08,612 --> 01:19:09,932
Speaker 3: Ireland Test match.

1566
01:19:09,772 --> 01:19:13,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ricco Youannie, all Black midfielder has clapped back at

1567
01:19:13,492 --> 01:19:16,412
Speaker 2: Johnny Sexton and a cheeky social media post after All

1568
01:19:16,412 --> 01:19:21,492
Speaker 2: Blacks victory over Ireland has spat with Johnny Sexton is famous.

1569
01:19:22,253 --> 01:19:25,173
Speaker 2: After that fantastic victory from the All Blacks against Island

1570
01:19:25,213 --> 01:19:28,293
Speaker 2: and the World Cup, he Rico had some words with

1571
01:19:28,532 --> 01:19:32,613
Speaker 2: Johnny Sexton that were written up in his book and

1572
01:19:32,692 --> 01:19:35,972
Speaker 2: it's continued on with a put that in your book comment.

1573
01:19:36,333 --> 01:19:38,852
Speaker 2: So yeah, after the after the final whistle blue he

1574
01:19:39,013 --> 01:19:42,892
Speaker 2: said to he said to Johnny Sexton, don't miss your

1575
01:19:42,893 --> 01:19:44,652
Speaker 2: flight tomorrow. Enjoy your retirement.

1576
01:19:44,732 --> 01:19:45,852
Speaker 5: You word, we.

1577
01:19:45,772 --> 01:19:48,892
Speaker 2: Don't say on the radio. So the question is, really,

1578
01:19:48,973 --> 01:19:50,852
Speaker 2: do is that what we want? Because I think for

1579
01:19:50,853 --> 01:19:54,013
Speaker 2: the longest time, all blacks, particularly but sports people in

1580
01:19:54,053 --> 01:19:57,732
Speaker 2: New Zealand, we've kept them very vanilla. They've kicked every

1581
01:19:57,812 --> 01:20:00,372
Speaker 2: question to touch and we've tried to remove the personality

1582
01:20:00,372 --> 01:20:05,852
Speaker 2: from sports people to the point where press conferences seem boring. Boring, Yeah,

1583
01:20:05,853 --> 01:20:08,412
Speaker 2: they're boring, it's just cliches. I think it's good to

1584
01:20:08,452 --> 01:20:10,572
Speaker 2: find out, Rika Yoani. It doesn't necessarily mean he's a

1585
01:20:10,572 --> 01:20:12,213
Speaker 2: good person. He's a great player, but is he a

1586
01:20:12,213 --> 01:20:16,012
Speaker 2: good person who knows it's good? It's good to see

1587
01:20:16,053 --> 01:20:18,492
Speaker 2: some personality, Yeah, good or bad. I like it and

1588
01:20:18,812 --> 01:20:19,772
Speaker 2: draws me into the game.

1589
01:20:20,853 --> 01:20:21,452
Speaker 3: What do you think?

1590
01:20:23,372 --> 01:20:25,892
Speaker 6: Well, I just think you know, you guys need to

1591
01:20:25,933 --> 01:20:30,253
Speaker 6: cast your mind back a little way. There was a

1592
01:20:30,293 --> 01:20:35,253
Speaker 6: particular player we had it goes by. The name was Fitzpatrick.

1593
01:20:35,772 --> 01:20:39,333
Speaker 6: Yes he was. He was very well known for her

1594
01:20:40,612 --> 01:20:44,612
Speaker 6: subtle sledge Ye, and you know he was he was

1595
01:20:44,652 --> 01:20:53,012
Speaker 6: our leader. There's another one as well, dirty Dane Coles. Yes,

1596
01:20:53,853 --> 01:20:59,333
Speaker 6: Dane very yeah, very very well known for his as sledging.

1597
01:21:00,133 --> 01:21:02,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that that's that's on the field, but

1598
01:21:02,812 --> 01:21:05,572
Speaker 2: I guess it moves it to a different level slightly, Gregg.

1599
01:21:05,612 --> 01:21:09,093
Speaker 2: Do you think because what we've done here is the

1600
01:21:09,133 --> 01:21:12,532
Speaker 2: All Blacks know about the thing between Ricco, Yoanni and

1601
01:21:12,612 --> 01:21:15,852
Speaker 2: Johnny Sexton, and they know how the Irish people fans

1602
01:21:15,853 --> 01:21:17,692
Speaker 2: feel about it and the build up to it. So

1603
01:21:17,732 --> 01:21:20,452
Speaker 2: having him lead the hacker seemed to me to be

1604
01:21:20,853 --> 01:21:25,532
Speaker 2: a move towards basically racking up that situation as much

1605
01:21:25,572 --> 01:21:26,292
Speaker 2: as we could.

1606
01:21:26,133 --> 01:21:27,333
Speaker 3: Pouring gas on that fire.

1607
01:21:29,133 --> 01:21:31,053
Speaker 6: Well, I know, I don't see it that way at all.

1608
01:21:31,973 --> 01:21:35,293
Speaker 6: How do you see it, Greg, Johnny Sexton, he rode it,

1609
01:21:35,412 --> 01:21:37,772
Speaker 6: he put it in his book, so then it becomes

1610
01:21:38,053 --> 01:21:42,093
Speaker 6: public knowledge. You know, maybe it was just a no

1611
01:21:42,093 --> 01:21:44,772
Speaker 6: honor for Rico to lead the hacker.

1612
01:21:45,612 --> 01:21:47,133
Speaker 2: So you don't you don't think that was You don't

1613
01:21:47,133 --> 01:21:48,892
Speaker 2: think that was trolling at all by the All Blacks?

1614
01:21:50,372 --> 01:21:54,293
Speaker 3: Not at all. Is it good for the game? Is

1615
01:21:54,333 --> 01:21:56,412
Speaker 3: it good for the game in terms of drama, because

1616
01:21:56,412 --> 01:21:58,492
Speaker 3: that's our field drama, right? Is that good for the game?

1617
01:22:00,492 --> 01:22:00,812
Speaker 16: I think?

1618
01:22:00,853 --> 01:22:02,492
Speaker 3: So you don't think so?

1619
01:22:03,652 --> 01:22:03,732
Speaker 4: No?

1620
01:22:03,853 --> 01:22:04,693
Speaker 3: I do?

1621
01:22:04,213 --> 01:22:06,972
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we want to know.

1622
01:22:06,933 --> 01:22:09,652
Speaker 6: More, a little bit more, a little bit more spice.

1623
01:22:10,692 --> 01:22:12,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, I well, thank you so much for your call, Greg,

1624
01:22:13,013 --> 01:22:15,772
Speaker 2: I agree, I agree that I actually, I actually think

1625
01:22:15,772 --> 01:22:18,452
Speaker 2: that they did put him to lead the huker for

1626
01:22:18,572 --> 01:22:19,253
Speaker 2: a bit of trolling.

1627
01:22:19,333 --> 01:22:23,333
Speaker 3: But dragon that was Barrett or Robertson or he just

1628
01:22:23,372 --> 01:22:24,333
Speaker 3: said I want to lead it.

1629
01:22:24,612 --> 01:22:27,372
Speaker 2: I've got no idea, but they certainly didn't shy away

1630
01:22:27,372 --> 01:22:29,053
Speaker 2: from the controversy, is what i'd say. And I think

1631
01:22:29,053 --> 01:22:29,612
Speaker 2: that's a good thing.

1632
01:22:29,692 --> 01:22:31,532
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1633
01:22:31,572 --> 01:22:36,933
Speaker 3: number to call. It's twenty five past three.

1634
01:22:38,093 --> 01:22:41,452
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons. Call oh eight hundred

1635
01:22:41,452 --> 01:22:44,412
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZV afternoon.

1636
01:22:44,492 --> 01:22:48,213
Speaker 3: Jason, Mate, get a what do you reckon?

1637
01:22:50,772 --> 01:22:51,293
Speaker 11: Not for me?

1638
01:22:53,293 --> 01:22:55,212
Speaker 13: I might talk and the producer or the no.

1639
01:22:55,013 --> 01:22:56,932
Speaker 3: No're on the show now, No, you're okay?

1640
01:22:57,053 --> 01:22:59,452
Speaker 13: Mate, Hey guys, No, Look, first of all, I want

1641
01:22:59,452 --> 01:23:02,333
Speaker 13: to say, I'm all in for people, you know, sports

1642
01:23:02,372 --> 01:23:05,253
Speaker 13: people expressing themselves on the field, right, all in for that.

1643
01:23:05,372 --> 01:23:08,213
Speaker 13: But almost with the all black sleds, I feel it's

1644
01:23:08,372 --> 01:23:11,213
Speaker 13: bit of a no go zone. And I use Ali

1645
01:23:11,253 --> 01:23:16,173
Speaker 13: Williams an example, and I think I can safely recite something,

1646
01:23:16,293 --> 01:23:19,412
Speaker 13: you know, the Godfather talkt back, old Meridika said, if

1647
01:23:19,452 --> 01:23:21,852
Speaker 13: he hadn't been such a you know, a larigant on

1648
01:23:21,893 --> 01:23:25,173
Speaker 13: the field, he might have been better. I think it

1649
01:23:25,213 --> 01:23:29,372
Speaker 13: depends on the individuals, Like if you've got that quirky

1650
01:23:29,412 --> 01:23:31,213
Speaker 13: way about you that he can pull it off, all

1651
01:23:31,253 --> 01:23:34,933
Speaker 13: for it. But all that's always been, you know, synonymous

1652
01:23:34,973 --> 01:23:39,692
Speaker 13: about letting the on field performance silence the opposition. And

1653
01:23:39,812 --> 01:23:43,213
Speaker 13: I've got no issues with Raised Robinson doing his breakdancing

1654
01:23:43,253 --> 01:23:45,452
Speaker 13: and acts. I think that's he's that quirky sort of

1655
01:23:45,452 --> 01:23:47,572
Speaker 13: guy that can pull it off and I'm all for that.

1656
01:23:47,652 --> 01:23:50,333
Speaker 13: But I'd rather let the sports people they're all backs anyway,

1657
01:23:51,013 --> 01:23:52,852
Speaker 13: dear off the issue on the field, and that's just

1658
01:23:52,933 --> 01:23:56,692
Speaker 13: basically outsmart the opposition. And if you start trying to

1659
01:23:56,692 --> 01:23:59,492
Speaker 13: turn them into comedians and sledges and all that which

1660
01:23:59,532 --> 01:24:03,092
Speaker 13: is confined to the Australian cricket team, then I'm worried

1661
01:24:03,133 --> 01:24:05,772
Speaker 13: that we're going to still lose the whole focus and

1662
01:24:05,933 --> 01:24:08,532
Speaker 13: aura of the all backs, which is basically nine two

1663
01:24:08,572 --> 01:24:11,173
Speaker 13: percent of the time we just let the performance on

1664
01:24:11,213 --> 01:24:13,213
Speaker 13: the field take care of all that other stuff.

1665
01:24:13,853 --> 01:24:16,173
Speaker 2: But Jason, what do you The All Blacks are sort

1666
01:24:16,173 --> 01:24:17,692
Speaker 2: of on a bit of pressure there's a lot of

1667
01:24:17,692 --> 01:24:19,972
Speaker 2: competition from other sports going along, and a lot of

1668
01:24:20,013 --> 01:24:23,732
Speaker 2: competition for eyeballs across a lot of things from young

1669
01:24:23,772 --> 01:24:28,133
Speaker 2: people particularly, and so the All Blacks absolutely aura and

1670
01:24:28,572 --> 01:24:31,133
Speaker 2: and something we're very very proud of as a nation.

1671
01:24:31,253 --> 01:24:35,293
Speaker 2: And then the way they behave. But having said that,

1672
01:24:35,572 --> 01:24:38,812
Speaker 2: going into the future, maybe for their popularity and for

1673
01:24:38,973 --> 01:24:41,772
Speaker 2: interest in the game, we might need to see a

1674
01:24:41,812 --> 01:24:45,092
Speaker 2: little bit more of what these All Blacks actually are

1675
01:24:45,253 --> 01:24:48,652
Speaker 2: as people so we can we can follow them just

1676
01:24:48,692 --> 01:24:49,972
Speaker 2: a little bit more closer.

1677
01:24:51,412 --> 01:24:54,772
Speaker 13: Yeah look, yeah, yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. Like I think,

1678
01:24:54,933 --> 01:24:56,933
Speaker 13: I think, you know, the captain. We don't want an

1679
01:24:56,973 --> 01:25:02,133
Speaker 13: old stereo type cliche press match interviews. That's boring. Oh

1680
01:25:02,173 --> 01:25:04,412
Speaker 13: you know, the game of two hours all that stuff.

1681
01:25:04,973 --> 01:25:07,293
Speaker 13: If the guys really think the opposition got in their

1682
01:25:07,293 --> 01:25:09,133
Speaker 13: face and annoyed them and they want to get in

1683
01:25:09,173 --> 01:25:11,572
Speaker 13: the next time, say it at the press conferences. But

1684
01:25:11,732 --> 01:25:15,372
Speaker 13: let the build up to the test test match take

1685
01:25:15,372 --> 01:25:18,253
Speaker 13: care of itself, and you know, let the captain have

1686
01:25:18,333 --> 01:25:21,412
Speaker 13: free license and these things, you know, they're so predictable,

1687
01:25:21,492 --> 01:25:24,572
Speaker 13: aren't they. I mean, Richie was the Roger Federer of

1688
01:25:26,652 --> 01:25:28,732
Speaker 13: test matches. You know, I'm very careful what he said

1689
01:25:28,732 --> 01:25:31,732
Speaker 13: in that. But again, he didn't have that personality. He's

1690
01:25:31,772 --> 01:25:37,612
Speaker 13: not a born comedian. And I look, I'm probably rambling

1691
01:25:37,612 --> 01:25:40,052
Speaker 13: a bit, but I really want our top all blacks

1692
01:25:40,093 --> 01:25:42,412
Speaker 13: to express themselves and be given a bit of free license.

1693
01:25:42,452 --> 01:25:45,612
Speaker 13: But rather than do that after they've done the bizo

1694
01:25:45,652 --> 01:25:46,213
Speaker 13: on the field.

1695
01:25:46,973 --> 01:25:48,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there is always the problem a few

1696
01:25:48,612 --> 01:25:51,892
Speaker 2: mouth off before the game and then you lose. Then

1697
01:25:52,333 --> 01:25:56,452
Speaker 2: that's like losing twice. I mean, you know, one of

1698
01:25:56,492 --> 01:26:01,492
Speaker 2: the mouthiest people in sport would be Connor McGregor, UFC Fighter, IRS,

1699
01:26:01,572 --> 01:26:04,013
Speaker 2: UFC fighter. You mail may not. I'm and I'm a

1700
01:26:04,053 --> 01:26:07,213
Speaker 2: fan of his, but he goes too far. I believe

1701
01:26:07,213 --> 01:26:10,052
Speaker 2: he goes too far and is in his pre game

1702
01:26:10,173 --> 01:26:14,572
Speaker 2: mental you know, mental gymnastics with people you know, and

1703
01:26:15,213 --> 01:26:19,253
Speaker 2: then when he when he loses, it's it just seems

1704
01:26:19,293 --> 01:26:21,452
Speaker 2: all the more pathetic because you've because you've said all

1705
01:26:21,452 --> 01:26:23,612
Speaker 2: that stuff. But I mean that's sport. Combat sports is

1706
01:26:23,652 --> 01:26:26,293
Speaker 2: a bit different. There's a big tradition in trying to

1707
01:26:26,333 --> 01:26:30,253
Speaker 2: run up the box office numbers and the attendants by

1708
01:26:30,933 --> 01:26:33,532
Speaker 2: people either being in professional wrestling, it's called either being

1709
01:26:33,532 --> 01:26:36,133
Speaker 2: a face or a heel, so you actually select whether

1710
01:26:36,133 --> 01:26:38,013
Speaker 2: you're going to be the good guy or you're going

1711
01:26:38,093 --> 01:26:40,132
Speaker 2: to be the person that says terrible things. Both ways

1712
01:26:40,253 --> 01:26:43,692
Speaker 2: are a pathways to certain amount of success.

1713
01:26:43,772 --> 01:26:46,812
Speaker 3: What about curios Ni Karios? Tennis is bad boy. He

1714
01:26:46,853 --> 01:26:50,652
Speaker 3: hasn't really achieved much. You know, good player, but he

1715
01:26:50,732 --> 01:26:52,452
Speaker 3: hasn't got close to Grand Slam.

1716
01:26:52,492 --> 01:26:56,492
Speaker 2: Hey, he's just a terrible human beings, absolutely terrible human being,

1717
01:26:56,853 --> 01:27:00,053
Speaker 2: and that it does bring attention to the sport, but

1718
01:27:00,173 --> 01:27:01,333
Speaker 2: that definitely hasn't helped him.

1719
01:27:01,532 --> 01:27:03,612
Speaker 3: No, but I'll watch a game that he's on just

1720
01:27:03,652 --> 01:27:05,173
Speaker 3: because I know he's going to flip out. Oh, eight

1721
01:27:05,333 --> 01:27:07,572
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Nine

1722
01:27:07,612 --> 01:27:10,612
Speaker 3: two nine two is TIX number. It's twenty eight to four.

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01:27:13,973 --> 01:27:17,532
Speaker 14: Youth talks at the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

1724
01:27:17,612 --> 01:27:20,532
Speaker 14: no trouble with a blue bubble. A partial u turn

1725
01:27:20,612 --> 01:27:25,212
Speaker 14: from Speaker Jerry Brownly on blocking journalist Aaron Smail covering

1726
01:27:25,253 --> 01:27:29,412
Speaker 14: tomorrow's state apology to survivors of abuse and care. Brownlee's

1727
01:27:29,452 --> 01:27:31,933
Speaker 14: now given Smail a pass so long as he is

1728
01:27:31,973 --> 01:27:36,012
Speaker 14: accompanied by a newsroom reporter. The Green Party has asked

1729
01:27:36,053 --> 01:27:39,293
Speaker 14: the speaker to allow conscience vote on the Treaty Principal's bill,

1730
01:27:39,652 --> 01:27:43,652
Speaker 14: saying it's divisive and a waste of time. An elderly

1731
01:27:43,732 --> 01:27:46,732
Speaker 14: Hart Valley man has died after an arson attack on

1732
01:27:46,772 --> 01:27:50,532
Speaker 14: a block of Stokes Valley Flats last week, turning investigations

1733
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1734
01:27:55,412 --> 01:27:59,093
Speaker 14: a workplace incident on Mikhaale's Road in Little Kaalore on

1735
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1736
01:28:04,532 --> 01:28:07,532
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1738
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1739
01:28:16,133 --> 01:28:20,692
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1740
01:28:20,893 --> 01:28:25,093
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01:28:25,133 --> 01:28:28,772
Speaker 14: lived with ADHD and autism all my life. This is

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01:28:28,812 --> 01:28:31,412
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01:28:31,492 --> 01:28:35,092
Speaker 14: Enzen Herald Premium. Back now to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

1744
01:28:35,213 --> 01:28:38,253
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Rayleen. It is twenty four to

1745
01:28:38,612 --> 01:28:42,932
Speaker 3: four and we are talking about Rico Yoani on the

1746
01:28:42,973 --> 01:28:44,732
Speaker 3: back of him leading the haker.

1747
01:28:45,013 --> 01:28:48,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, just generally bad boy behavior in

1748
01:28:48,213 --> 01:28:52,372
Speaker 2: sports and racking up the opposition and sledging and such,

1749
01:28:52,732 --> 01:28:55,213
Speaker 2: and whether we think that maybe are all blacks and

1750
01:28:55,253 --> 01:28:57,852
Speaker 2: our sports people in general behave in a bit of

1751
01:28:57,853 --> 01:28:59,852
Speaker 2: a vanilla fashion and maybe want to see a bit

1752
01:28:59,893 --> 01:29:03,492
Speaker 2: more personality from them in press conferences in the.

1753
01:29:03,572 --> 01:29:06,213
Speaker 3: Light Oh, eight hundred eighty, ten eighty, I'll just throw

1754
01:29:06,213 --> 01:29:09,133
Speaker 3: a name at you, and it will be controversial about

1755
01:29:09,133 --> 01:29:11,492
Speaker 3: whether this this athlete is a bad boy or not.

1756
01:29:11,652 --> 01:29:12,293
Speaker 3: Tiger Woods.

1757
01:29:13,213 --> 01:29:15,572
Speaker 2: Uh, well, yeah, I mean he said a few things

1758
01:29:15,612 --> 01:29:17,133
Speaker 2: here and there. I mean he was definitely a bad

1759
01:29:17,173 --> 01:29:23,253
Speaker 2: boy off the off the off the field, off the course.

1760
01:29:25,853 --> 01:29:31,892
Speaker 2: But I don't know, I mean, yeah, I don't know.

1761
01:29:34,053 --> 01:29:35,933
Speaker 3: What did it do him any favors in terms of

1762
01:29:35,933 --> 01:29:38,732
Speaker 3: getting eyeballs on screens when he was playing golf. After

1763
01:29:39,853 --> 01:29:42,173
Speaker 3: what happened to him and the situation with his wife

1764
01:29:42,253 --> 01:29:44,772
Speaker 3: and everything else. Do you think that aided his career

1765
01:29:44,893 --> 01:29:46,572
Speaker 3: or did did worse things for his career?

1766
01:29:46,772 --> 01:29:50,892
Speaker 2: He people followed Tiger Woods and bought He brought more

1767
01:29:50,893 --> 01:29:53,572
Speaker 2: people to golf than anyone had before because of how

1768
01:29:53,572 --> 01:29:57,293
Speaker 2: good he was. Primarily, I don't think. I don't think

1769
01:29:57,293 --> 01:29:58,772
Speaker 2: he's antics. And you know, every now and then he

1770
01:29:58,853 --> 01:30:01,293
Speaker 2: said a few snarky things from from here and there,

1771
01:30:01,333 --> 01:30:03,452
Speaker 2: but it was always how good he was, and then

1772
01:30:03,492 --> 01:30:06,333
Speaker 2: maybe we were watching him and I remember when you know,

1773
01:30:06,372 --> 01:30:08,732
Speaker 2: we've always been interested. He can come back, but I

1774
01:30:08,732 --> 01:30:10,892
Speaker 2: mean that's a lot of it's to with his injuries.

1775
01:30:11,053 --> 01:30:13,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, Melanie, how are you this afternoon?

1776
01:30:13,812 --> 01:30:14,052
Speaker 20: Hi?

1777
01:30:14,213 --> 01:30:14,572
Speaker 15: Guys?

1778
01:30:14,612 --> 01:30:15,372
Speaker 22: How good things?

1779
01:30:15,372 --> 01:30:15,932
Speaker 14: How you doing?

1780
01:30:16,093 --> 01:30:18,093
Speaker 3: You great? Good to chat? Do you like the bad

1781
01:30:18,133 --> 01:30:19,133
Speaker 3: boys in sport?

1782
01:30:19,652 --> 01:30:24,812
Speaker 22: I love the bad boys all around. I remember I

1783
01:30:24,933 --> 01:30:27,932
Speaker 22: was growing up in the seventies and I just didn't

1784
01:30:28,093 --> 01:30:31,173
Speaker 22: really care much about sport except when the tennis was on,

1785
01:30:31,213 --> 01:30:33,932
Speaker 22: because I wanted to see John McEnroe throw his racket

1786
01:30:34,372 --> 01:30:38,173
Speaker 22: and say you cannot be serious. And I actually still

1787
01:30:38,293 --> 01:30:40,372
Speaker 22: use that expression, and people of an age to know

1788
01:30:40,492 --> 01:30:40,932
Speaker 22: what I meant.

1789
01:30:41,213 --> 01:30:43,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think there's no doubt that

1790
01:30:43,853 --> 01:30:48,253
Speaker 2: John mcenroy's McEnroe's terrible behavior brought people to brought more

1791
01:30:48,293 --> 01:30:49,052
Speaker 2: people to tennis.

1792
01:30:49,133 --> 01:30:53,013
Speaker 22: Yeah, oh absolutely. And you know you can keep your

1793
01:30:53,053 --> 01:30:56,732
Speaker 22: goody two shoes cricket boys. We want the We want

1794
01:30:56,732 --> 01:31:00,013
Speaker 22: the people with the spark and the passion and the feistiness.

1795
01:31:00,253 --> 01:31:04,173
Speaker 3: Yeah. So when it comes to Rico Yoanni, you love

1796
01:31:04,213 --> 01:31:08,532
Speaker 3: the fact that he's doubled down, Well, yeah, I wouldn't.

1797
01:31:08,173 --> 01:31:11,093
Speaker 22: Say I love, but you know what, we're trying to

1798
01:31:11,173 --> 01:31:14,133
Speaker 22: encourage everybody these days to be really authentic and not

1799
01:31:14,213 --> 01:31:18,932
Speaker 22: suppress their true spark and the true spirit. So yeah,

1800
01:31:19,293 --> 01:31:22,293
Speaker 22: we we love, we love, we love a bit of

1801
01:31:22,812 --> 01:31:25,852
Speaker 22: bad behavior, and you know, because it also makes us

1802
01:31:25,893 --> 01:31:31,492
Speaker 22: feel like, you know, these celebrities and sports people aren't perfect,

1803
01:31:31,572 --> 01:31:32,412
Speaker 22: and neither are we.

1804
01:31:33,372 --> 01:31:36,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean tennis is really really set up

1805
01:31:36,933 --> 01:31:39,253
Speaker 2: for the mountdown. For a start, Tennis players are often

1806
01:31:39,333 --> 01:31:42,892
Speaker 2: quite strange people because they so many thousands of hours

1807
01:31:42,933 --> 01:31:45,093
Speaker 2: by themselves and it's all focused on them. And the

1808
01:31:45,173 --> 01:31:47,692
Speaker 2: really weird thing about tennis players is after the after

1809
01:31:48,053 --> 01:31:50,253
Speaker 2: a match, they talk about themselves in the press conference,

1810
01:31:50,253 --> 01:31:52,372
Speaker 2: as opposed to if you're a rugby player, you talk

1811
01:31:52,412 --> 01:31:54,973
Speaker 2: about the team and so you're representing the team. So

1812
01:31:55,013 --> 01:31:58,053
Speaker 2: a tennis player can, I guess, express their personality more.

1813
01:31:58,093 --> 01:32:01,812
Speaker 2: But I know Serena Williams, that temp potential she threw

1814
01:32:01,812 --> 01:32:06,372
Speaker 2: at the US Open final, that was that wasn't that?

1815
01:32:07,093 --> 01:32:08,172
Speaker 2: That was quite something.

1816
01:32:08,572 --> 01:32:10,692
Speaker 20: I don't forget.

1817
01:32:10,812 --> 01:32:13,572
Speaker 22: You don't forget these things, Yeah.

1818
01:32:13,732 --> 01:32:16,452
Speaker 2: You don't. It's it's a bit different if it's if

1819
01:32:16,492 --> 01:32:19,852
Speaker 2: it's if it's having a go at other players or

1820
01:32:19,893 --> 01:32:23,293
Speaker 2: if it's having a go yeah at another team, but

1821
01:32:23,333 --> 01:32:25,452
Speaker 2: it is, it's a bit it's a bit much sometimes

1822
01:32:25,492 --> 01:32:28,333
Speaker 2: when it's having a go at an official. I mean,

1823
01:32:28,492 --> 01:32:29,612
Speaker 2: what was someone to be able to tell me on

1824
01:32:29,692 --> 01:32:31,932
Speaker 2: nine two nine two, who was the tennis player recently,

1825
01:32:31,973 --> 01:32:36,333
Speaker 2: that that was incredibly rude to the ball girl. She

1826
01:32:36,412 --> 01:32:38,852
Speaker 2: was throwing her the ball and she was bouncing it

1827
01:32:38,853 --> 01:32:40,213
Speaker 2: and she wouldn't take the ball and she was just

1828
01:32:40,213 --> 01:32:43,652
Speaker 2: standing there. That just that I know from that that

1829
01:32:43,652 --> 01:32:46,213
Speaker 2: that person is a bad person, and it doesn't make

1830
01:32:46,253 --> 01:32:48,412
Speaker 2: me think that they're like Rico. You only had some

1831
01:32:48,452 --> 01:32:51,092
Speaker 2: funny comments. He made some funny comments to Johnny Sexton.

1832
01:32:51,333 --> 01:32:53,333
Speaker 2: There was some clear it was. It was clever, but

1833
01:32:53,372 --> 01:32:55,572
Speaker 2: she is just a bad person. If you if you're

1834
01:32:55,692 --> 01:32:58,133
Speaker 2: mean to a to a ball girl, you're just a

1835
01:32:58,173 --> 01:32:58,852
Speaker 2: bad person.

1836
01:32:59,013 --> 01:33:01,532
Speaker 22: Yeah, yeah, you mean to waiting stuff as well?

1837
01:33:01,612 --> 01:33:06,092
Speaker 2: Then yeah, that's yeah, that's right, that's undercent melody.

1838
01:33:06,173 --> 01:33:08,053
Speaker 3: Thank you very much of a great afternoon, Thanks for

1839
01:33:08,053 --> 01:33:12,132
Speaker 3: giving us a buzz. Quick text here down and dirty fellers.

1840
01:33:12,213 --> 01:33:15,372
Speaker 3: Have you seen Sam kaine hed stitches in today's Herald

1841
01:33:15,452 --> 01:33:17,773
Speaker 3: A wound inflicted by the Irish?

1842
01:33:18,133 --> 01:33:20,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, boy, oh boy, I mean Sam Kaine, I love him,

1843
01:33:20,893 --> 01:33:23,173
Speaker 2: but that that looked like he had been and it

1844
01:33:23,173 --> 01:33:25,213
Speaker 2: looked like some footage from World War Two. It looked

1845
01:33:25,213 --> 01:33:29,452
Speaker 2: like he was being taken off the battlefield. His face such.

1846
01:33:30,173 --> 01:33:32,173
Speaker 2: I mean that guy. I love Sam Kane so much.

1847
01:33:32,213 --> 01:33:35,012
Speaker 2: He just gives so much to the team.

1848
01:33:35,053 --> 01:33:37,733
Speaker 3: He puts his body on the line is time, doesn't.

1849
01:33:37,452 --> 01:33:39,612
Speaker 2: He Yeah, I mean you can back him and you

1850
01:33:39,612 --> 01:33:42,093
Speaker 2: can love him, and you know, I love how the

1851
01:33:42,093 --> 01:33:44,612
Speaker 2: feelings towards him have turned around since since the World

1852
01:33:44,612 --> 01:33:47,293
Speaker 2: Cup from the public. But that's another way you can

1853
01:33:47,293 --> 01:33:49,812
Speaker 2: bring people to the game, just by being getting your

1854
01:33:49,812 --> 01:33:52,932
Speaker 2: head down and just being an absolute hero. That that

1855
01:33:52,933 --> 01:33:56,852
Speaker 2: that also brings interest into the game and fan worship.

1856
01:33:57,093 --> 01:33:59,492
Speaker 2: Yeah as well, I mean Sam Kaine, what a great man.

1857
01:33:59,572 --> 01:34:01,133
Speaker 3: You'd put Richie in that camp as well.

1858
01:34:01,532 --> 01:34:06,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Ritchie people love him, but so boring

1859
01:34:06,293 --> 01:34:10,333
Speaker 2: in an interview, so very very boring in an interview.

1860
01:34:10,333 --> 01:34:11,933
Speaker 2: But it didn't matter because he was Richie mccaughr. And

1861
01:34:11,973 --> 01:34:13,852
Speaker 2: he was just incredible. You know, he's playing with a

1862
01:34:13,893 --> 01:34:17,652
Speaker 2: broken foot, yeah he's and you know, and there's there's

1863
01:34:17,692 --> 01:34:20,532
Speaker 2: a lot of talk internationally about Richie McCaughan not as

1864
01:34:20,572 --> 01:34:22,772
Speaker 2: loved in New Zealand as he is in New Zealand

1865
01:34:23,133 --> 01:34:26,452
Speaker 2: and widely seen around the world as a dirty player,

1866
01:34:26,572 --> 01:34:29,293
Speaker 2: but he got results. But in New Zealand he's up

1867
01:34:29,293 --> 01:34:31,452
Speaker 2: there with Sir Redmond, Hillary and Charles Upham.

1868
01:34:31,572 --> 01:34:31,812
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1869
01:34:31,853 --> 01:34:34,812
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Love to hear your

1870
01:34:34,853 --> 01:34:38,572
Speaker 3: thoughts on this one. Bad boys and girls on the field.

1871
01:34:38,772 --> 01:34:40,772
Speaker 3: Is it entertaining? Do you like to see that more

1872
01:34:40,812 --> 01:34:44,093
Speaker 3: of the personality of the players come out or do

1873
01:34:44,133 --> 01:34:46,012
Speaker 3: you like them to be a bit more vanilla and

1874
01:34:46,053 --> 01:34:48,213
Speaker 3: they do the deed on the field? Nine two ninety

1875
01:34:48,213 --> 01:34:50,333
Speaker 3: two is the text number. It is eighteen to four.

1876
01:34:51,772 --> 01:34:55,932
Speaker 1: Your new home of afternoon tour man Heathen Taylor Adams

1877
01:34:55,973 --> 01:34:59,333
Speaker 1: Afternoon call. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News.

1878
01:34:59,133 --> 01:35:02,892
Speaker 3: Talk said, be good afternoon. It is a quarter to

1879
01:35:02,973 --> 01:35:05,452
Speaker 3: four and we're talking about personality on the field.

1880
01:35:05,812 --> 01:35:08,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're talking about Richie mcaw before, who was

1881
01:35:08,893 --> 01:35:12,492
Speaker 2: always he kept things to touch in interviews. He was

1882
01:35:12,492 --> 01:35:16,612
Speaker 2: never saying full on stuff. He wasn't getting involved in

1883
01:35:16,652 --> 01:35:20,333
Speaker 2: public spats like Rico Yuani is. I think you need

1884
01:35:20,372 --> 01:35:22,772
Speaker 2: both people. Hey, Richie didn't need to be a bad boy.

1885
01:35:22,812 --> 01:35:24,852
Speaker 2: He did his talking on the field. I'm all about

1886
01:35:24,893 --> 01:35:29,173
Speaker 2: respect given, respect received, especially from a national team. This

1887
01:35:29,293 --> 01:35:31,492
Speaker 2: and other text I think is interesting and we'd love

1888
01:35:31,572 --> 01:35:36,133
Speaker 2: to hear on eight hundred eighty ten eighty your favorite

1889
01:35:36,532 --> 01:35:39,532
Speaker 2: bad boys of sport. But Muhammad Ali the greatest boxer

1890
01:35:39,692 --> 01:35:43,492
Speaker 2: and even greatest sledger. Yeah, I mean Muhammad Ali changed

1891
01:35:44,133 --> 01:35:48,532
Speaker 2: changed that for the world. But he was a next

1892
01:35:48,812 --> 01:35:53,132
Speaker 2: level sledger. I mean the stuff he did to George

1893
01:35:53,412 --> 01:35:55,173
Speaker 2: Foreman phenomenal.

1894
01:35:55,372 --> 01:35:58,892
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well there, I mean he kind of started the

1895
01:35:58,933 --> 01:36:01,732
Speaker 3: idea of trash talk, right. He understood the entertainment side

1896
01:36:01,732 --> 01:36:04,772
Speaker 3: of things, the theater aspect, and really brought it to

1897
01:36:04,812 --> 01:36:06,452
Speaker 3: the four I've got to say, and I know you

1898
01:36:06,452 --> 01:36:08,293
Speaker 3: mentioned him before, but one of my favorite that got

1899
01:36:08,492 --> 01:36:10,812
Speaker 3: into you if he was Connor McGregor. I thought he

1900
01:36:10,893 --> 01:36:15,692
Speaker 3: brought such energy and the trash talk was next level.

1901
01:36:15,732 --> 01:36:18,253
Speaker 3: He didn't hold back, but clearly that he's a smart

1902
01:36:18,293 --> 01:36:19,972
Speaker 3: guy that he knew if he was going to make

1903
01:36:19,973 --> 01:36:22,813
Speaker 3: it in that sport, he needed to push the envelope

1904
01:36:22,812 --> 01:36:24,812
Speaker 3: and wrap people up and get offensive.

1905
01:36:25,053 --> 01:36:25,253
Speaker 15: Yeah.

1906
01:36:25,253 --> 01:36:27,092
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're going to fight someone in the octagon,

1907
01:36:27,213 --> 01:36:29,652
Speaker 2: then you want to have every single advantage you can

1908
01:36:29,692 --> 01:36:32,053
Speaker 2: and if you can get someone to lose their call

1909
01:36:32,093 --> 01:36:35,933
Speaker 2: because they hate you so much. It's a massive advantage absolutely.

1910
01:36:36,013 --> 01:36:38,372
Speaker 2: I mean, of course he went too far on a

1911
01:36:38,452 --> 01:36:41,892
Speaker 2: number of occasions, having bottles at buses with people that

1912
01:36:41,933 --> 01:36:44,852
Speaker 2: aren't and you know, damaging people that an' even involved in.

1913
01:36:44,893 --> 01:36:46,933
Speaker 2: The fight was a big one. Trovianny Jones for a

1914
01:36:46,973 --> 01:36:49,732
Speaker 2: bad boy. Mike Tyson wasn't exactly Mary Poppins either. I mean,

1915
01:36:49,772 --> 01:36:52,333
Speaker 2: Mike Tyson has said some of the craziest stuff that

1916
01:36:52,412 --> 01:36:56,213
Speaker 2: you can't even repeat. You can't even believe some of

1917
01:36:56,253 --> 01:36:58,732
Speaker 2: the crazy stuff that Mike Tyson has said. And he

1918
01:36:58,772 --> 01:37:02,253
Speaker 2: can't either. He's in interviews he said that he doesn't

1919
01:37:02,293 --> 01:37:04,812
Speaker 2: even know who that person was that he used to

1920
01:37:04,893 --> 01:37:06,812
Speaker 2: be when he was the baddest man of life. He's

1921
01:37:06,853 --> 01:37:09,052
Speaker 2: kind of getting it back for this fight he's got up.

1922
01:37:09,412 --> 01:37:11,293
Speaker 3: That's this weekend, isn't it against Jake Paul.

1923
01:37:11,372 --> 01:37:12,812
Speaker 2: He's been saying some pretty crazy stuff.

1924
01:37:12,893 --> 01:37:16,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, this Texas is Dennis Rodman, the Lady Gaga of basketball.

1925
01:37:17,173 --> 01:37:19,933
Speaker 3: Rodman did not disappoint with his freegess looks and antics

1926
01:37:20,013 --> 01:37:22,213
Speaker 3: on the court, and he was also part of a

1927
01:37:22,253 --> 01:37:23,052
Speaker 3: winning team.

1928
01:37:23,213 --> 01:37:26,293
Speaker 2: Yeah that's right, the Bulls. But he very crazy man,

1929
01:37:26,532 --> 01:37:30,412
Speaker 2: good friends with Kim john On. He's over in North Korea,

1930
01:37:30,452 --> 01:37:33,893
Speaker 2: bit partying on the special North Korean party island that

1931
01:37:33,933 --> 01:37:35,372
Speaker 2: you can only be on if you're a part of

1932
01:37:35,412 --> 01:37:36,253
Speaker 2: the ruling family.

1933
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was next level when he came. I mean

1934
01:37:39,013 --> 01:37:41,612
Speaker 3: part of that that Chicago Bulls team. But that was

1935
01:37:41,772 --> 01:37:44,972
Speaker 3: like as a player, something people had never seen before.

1936
01:37:45,253 --> 01:37:47,012
Speaker 3: I mean it was a little bit before my time.

1937
01:37:47,053 --> 01:37:48,612
Speaker 3: But the way that he dressed, the way that he

1938
01:37:48,652 --> 01:37:51,013
Speaker 3: acted certainly was unique. And basketball wasn't it.

1939
01:37:51,133 --> 01:37:54,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he was amazing on a rebound. Hey, guys,

1940
01:37:54,372 --> 01:37:56,612
Speaker 2: I'm all for X factor and personality. There is less

1941
01:37:56,612 --> 01:37:58,572
Speaker 2: and less of it in all sports, but rugby has

1942
01:37:58,612 --> 01:38:01,012
Speaker 2: some of the more civil fans in sport. I reckon

1943
01:38:01,013 --> 01:38:06,693
Speaker 2: more players like Rico and Pom and Patty, players celebrating

1944
01:38:06,732 --> 01:38:10,452
Speaker 2: their shoelaces being tied. We'll just rack up the crowds

1945
01:38:10,452 --> 01:38:13,652
Speaker 2: more and people being the simple idiot society. And with

1946
01:38:13,732 --> 01:38:16,133
Speaker 2: teacher's parents and police not on the same page but

1947
01:38:16,213 --> 01:38:18,652
Speaker 2: all unable to anyway of this text really went off

1948
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Speaker 2: the rails halfway through.

1949
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Speaker 3: But just where this conversation started, Johnny Sexton and Rico Yoanni.

1950
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Speaker 3: I think Sexton brought a little bit of that on himself.

1951
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Speaker 2: He's been an absolutely annoying winga for his entire career. Yeah,

1952
01:38:33,333 --> 01:38:35,892
Speaker 2: so I think that that helps because if the target

1953
01:38:36,053 --> 01:38:39,452
Speaker 2: of if the target of your abuse is someone that

1954
01:38:39,572 --> 01:38:41,812
Speaker 2: is seen to deserve it. That's what I's talking before. Like,

1955
01:38:41,812 --> 01:38:44,253
Speaker 2: if you're hastling a ball you know, a ball boy

1956
01:38:44,372 --> 01:38:46,933
Speaker 2: or a ball girl at the tennis, and you're a

1957
01:38:46,933 --> 01:38:48,892
Speaker 2: big superstar getting paid a lot of money, then that's

1958
01:38:48,933 --> 01:38:52,333
Speaker 2: one thing. But if there's a winging, annoying player at

1959
01:38:52,372 --> 01:38:56,412
Speaker 2: Johnny Sexton, you it was it was an unleashing of

1960
01:38:56,452 --> 01:38:58,133
Speaker 2: something that a lot of us had felt about him

1961
01:38:58,532 --> 01:38:59,932
Speaker 2: over over a long period of time.

1962
01:39:00,812 --> 01:39:03,772
Speaker 3: Would you call him a bad boy? Johnny Sexton just

1963
01:39:03,812 --> 01:39:04,293
Speaker 3: a Winjo?

1964
01:39:04,412 --> 01:39:07,572
Speaker 2: Really just just a bird of a Winjo. I mean

1965
01:39:07,652 --> 01:39:09,372
Speaker 2: great player absolutely.

1966
01:39:09,093 --> 01:39:13,772
Speaker 3: Uh text to get guys, best sledge ever. Shane Warn

1967
01:39:13,893 --> 01:39:15,852
Speaker 3: came onto the field to bat and one of the

1968
01:39:15,893 --> 01:39:18,652
Speaker 3: English said, you've put on a lot of weight warning

1969
01:39:18,812 --> 01:39:22,893
Speaker 3: towards Warning replied yes, every time I know the indie.

1970
01:39:22,973 --> 01:39:26,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's a very famous one.

1971
01:39:26,253 --> 01:39:29,133
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh eight one hundred and eighty, ten eighty. There's

1972
01:39:29,133 --> 01:39:31,652
Speaker 3: some great teats coming through on nine to nine two

1973
01:39:31,692 --> 01:39:34,333
Speaker 3: back very shortly. It is eleven minutes to four.

1974
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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

1975
01:39:39,933 --> 01:39:43,652
Speaker 1: everything in between. Mat Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons you

1976
01:39:43,812 --> 01:39:46,372
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four used Talks dead B dead B.

1977
01:39:46,893 --> 01:39:50,532
Speaker 3: News Talks there B. It is seven to four. We

1978
01:39:50,572 --> 01:39:54,772
Speaker 3: have been chatting about Rico Yuanni's leading the hucker a

1979
01:39:54,812 --> 01:39:56,852
Speaker 3: bit of a sledge to Johnny Sexton.

1980
01:39:57,492 --> 01:40:00,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting, Liam Lawson pulling the finger. Yeah, I

1981
01:40:00,093 --> 01:40:02,093
Speaker 2: supported that. I thought that was funny, pulling the finger

1982
01:40:02,093 --> 01:40:05,253
Speaker 2: at threeund and fifty kilimeters an hour. God, I'm here man.

1983
01:40:05,333 --> 01:40:07,812
Speaker 2: I can see why you compare McCaw to Upham, and

1984
01:40:07,853 --> 01:40:13,732
Speaker 2: they're chosen professions. They were both functioning psychopaths. There's this

1985
01:40:13,772 --> 01:40:16,412
Speaker 2: book that came out a few years ago, Searching for Charlie,

1986
01:40:16,492 --> 01:40:18,293
Speaker 2: by Tom Scott, and it's one of the best books

1987
01:40:18,333 --> 01:40:22,333
Speaker 2: I've ever read, the complete story of Charles Upham. And

1988
01:40:22,372 --> 01:40:24,892
Speaker 2: it's sort of a companion book to the legendary Mark

1989
01:40:24,933 --> 01:40:28,293
Speaker 2: of the Lion that is in every batch in the country.

1990
01:40:28,532 --> 01:40:30,293
Speaker 2: Most people have come across Mark of the Lion at

1991
01:40:30,293 --> 01:40:32,812
Speaker 2: some point about Charles Upham. But yeah, I mean, it

1992
01:40:32,853 --> 01:40:35,492
Speaker 2: is an interesting thing because We really respect Charles Upham.

1993
01:40:35,492 --> 01:40:39,372
Speaker 2: He's an incredible person. But my goodness, he was crazy,

1994
01:40:39,412 --> 01:40:44,732
Speaker 2: wasn't he. I mean, yeah, running after retreating troop carriers and'

1995
01:40:44,812 --> 01:40:49,133
Speaker 2: iffing grenades in throwing grenades into pool bloxes. I mean,

1996
01:40:49,133 --> 01:40:50,572
Speaker 2: he was a guy that would run around and his

1997
01:40:51,333 --> 01:40:53,852
Speaker 2: chosen weapon was just a bag full of grenades. He

1998
01:40:54,173 --> 01:40:59,372
Speaker 2: was an intense human being and definitely definitely made for war.

1999
01:40:59,532 --> 01:41:01,333
Speaker 2: Didn't want to go home after the war because I mean,

2000
01:41:01,372 --> 01:41:04,372
Speaker 2: in his words, when a mad, When I think, when

2001
01:41:04,372 --> 01:41:05,852
Speaker 2: a dog goes mad, you've got to put a bullet

2002
01:41:05,853 --> 01:41:07,852
Speaker 2: in its head. And that was why he stood up.

2003
01:41:07,853 --> 01:41:09,452
Speaker 2: He thought that the Germans had gone crazy and he

2004
01:41:09,452 --> 01:41:11,572
Speaker 2: needed to go over and sort them out personally. But

2005
01:41:11,732 --> 01:41:15,053
Speaker 2: Searching for Charlie Great Boy by Tom Scott as one

2006
01:41:15,053 --> 01:41:16,253
Speaker 2: of the best books I've ever read.

2007
01:41:16,333 --> 01:41:19,572
Speaker 3: Real life Rambo quick text tear Following the push and shove,

2008
01:41:19,612 --> 01:41:21,973
Speaker 3: Scott Barrett in the next line out said something to

2009
01:41:22,013 --> 01:41:24,772
Speaker 3: his opposite number and gave him a light push. It

2010
01:41:24,772 --> 01:41:26,253
Speaker 3: would be interesting to know what.

2011
01:41:26,933 --> 01:41:30,412
Speaker 2: Yeah would sport be because some cricket as a classic one,

2012
01:41:30,492 --> 01:41:33,293
Speaker 2: especially in the Test match, when you can hear everything

2013
01:41:33,492 --> 01:41:37,972
Speaker 2: over the over the microphone it would be It would

2014
01:41:37,973 --> 01:41:39,452
Speaker 2: be great if we could hear more of what it

2015
01:41:39,572 --> 01:41:43,452
Speaker 2: said and Scrums and the Rucks absolutely.

2016
01:41:43,572 --> 01:41:46,173
Speaker 3: Mare Donna told them where to go on the field

2017
01:41:46,253 --> 01:41:48,852
Speaker 3: and he backed it up. Yeah. Football, I mean there's

2018
01:41:48,893 --> 01:41:51,132
Speaker 3: certainly been a lot of players in the football realm

2019
01:41:51,572 --> 01:41:55,253
Speaker 3: that may be considered bad boys. But again I mean

2020
01:41:55,333 --> 01:41:57,452
Speaker 3: mare Donna in particular told them where to go, as

2021
01:41:57,492 --> 01:41:59,612
Speaker 3: the text as said, but he certainly backed that up.

2022
01:42:00,893 --> 01:42:03,412
Speaker 3: And if Richie mccaugh in a couple of years time

2023
01:42:03,612 --> 01:42:06,173
Speaker 3: went on to run for Prime Minister of New Zealand,

2024
01:42:06,372 --> 01:42:07,372
Speaker 3: do you think he would get in.

2025
01:42:08,333 --> 01:42:10,932
Speaker 2: I don't think you can kick every question to touch

2026
01:42:11,013 --> 01:42:13,933
Speaker 2: that you can as a captain. Yeah, I mean we

2027
01:42:14,013 --> 01:42:16,972
Speaker 2: admire Richie mccaugh because he always said the exact right thing,

2028
01:42:16,973 --> 01:42:19,972
Speaker 2: but he didn't also didn't really say anything. Whereas I

2029
01:42:19,973 --> 01:42:24,293
Speaker 2: mentioned Richie mccaugh running a country so much, so much

2030
01:42:24,333 --> 01:42:26,692
Speaker 2: love for the man, so much respect for the man.

2031
01:42:26,772 --> 01:42:28,532
Speaker 2: But I don't know how he'd got question time.

2032
01:42:28,732 --> 01:42:31,973
Speaker 3: Yes, nicely. But well, to wrap it up, we'll do

2033
01:42:32,093 --> 01:42:35,532
Speaker 3: full circle and Rico Yoanni and leading the Harker against

2034
01:42:35,572 --> 01:42:38,932
Speaker 3: Johnny Sexton. But do you think Raiser, clearly the guy

2035
01:42:39,133 --> 01:42:41,532
Speaker 3: is quite a colorful character, right, do you think he

2036
01:42:41,612 --> 01:42:43,372
Speaker 3: is going to bring that change to the All Blacks

2037
01:42:43,412 --> 01:42:46,013
Speaker 3: that we can showcase a bit more of the personality

2038
01:42:46,053 --> 01:42:48,452
Speaker 3: on field instead of being vanilla and safe.

2039
01:42:48,572 --> 01:42:51,213
Speaker 2: Well, we've never had a coach before, an All Blacks

2040
01:42:51,213 --> 01:42:53,572
Speaker 2: coach that break dances exactly for you. You didn't see

2041
01:42:53,652 --> 01:42:57,253
Speaker 2: Griz Wiley dropping the backspin, did you? So? I think

2042
01:42:57,372 --> 01:43:00,372
Speaker 2: just by his nature, Razor Robinson is a more interesting guy.

2043
01:43:00,372 --> 01:43:04,612
Speaker 2: And look, if we beat France in the weekend, then

2044
01:43:04,652 --> 01:43:07,052
Speaker 2: you've got to say it's been a good year overall

2045
01:43:07,093 --> 01:43:07,532
Speaker 2: for Razor.

2046
01:43:07,692 --> 01:43:07,932
Speaker 4: Yep.

2047
01:43:08,412 --> 01:43:10,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thank you very much for today. I really

2048
01:43:10,372 --> 01:43:15,732
Speaker 3: enjoyed that. We'll do it all again tomorrow. Anyway, give

2049
01:43:15,772 --> 01:43:16,812
Speaker 3: them a toast of Kiwi from me.

2050
01:43:18,053 --> 01:43:43,173
Speaker 23: I come cleaner, nothing new, work to call you.

2051
01:43:50,652 --> 01:43:52,412
Speaker 2: It's you on the others.

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