1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Isn't it fascinating at the moment. So Takeichu in Japan 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: just storms the election. She's got a super majority. Thailand 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: had a vote over the weekend and there was some 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: expectation that the I don't know what do you want 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: to call them, the left leaners, the reformists were going 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: to do reasonably well. The exact opposite happened. It went 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: very conservative, so the incumbent one that took many by surprise. 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: There's a spill on in Australia tomorrow the Libs are 9 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: going to probably have a new leader. And then we 10 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: come to the greatest cluster of all so far in 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: Kiostarma and his future and the British government. Firstly, the 12 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: head of the Scottish Labor Party had a word. 13 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 2: I could have chose to stay wire, to keep the 14 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: head below the part of it and just carry on 15 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 2: as if. 16 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 3: Everything was fine for the next three months. But my 17 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 3: first loyalty and my first priority is to Scotland, and 18 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 3: Scotland so desperately needs in different kind of governments. 19 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: So he's calling for Starma to go. The plane appears 20 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: at the stage these twenty four hours to roll out 21 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: as many people as possible to say something like this. 22 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 3: Change does take time, and we're all impatient for change 23 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 3: to happen more quickly, including the voters. But Kira is 24 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 3: getting on and doing that, and we as a government 25 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 3: are getting on and delivering the change that we were 26 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 3: elected to deliver. And whilst I have enormous respect for 27 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 3: annas I've known him for a long time, I just 28 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 3: profoundly disagree. I don't think this is the right approach, 29 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 3: and I do believe Kia is the right right person 30 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 3: to lead our country. 31 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: The NS is Anness Sauer. Who's the bloke I just 32 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: played the head of the Scottish Labor Party. So the 33 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: big meeting has been held tonight. Starmer fronted up to 34 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: his only in peace. Here's a summation. 35 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 4: Other people could have rode him behind Annasawa and said 36 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 4: it's time for Kirstam to go. That didn't happen. I 37 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 4: think that suggests actually that people can have a little 38 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 4: bit of a moan and a winge about kirs Staler, 39 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 4: but they actually don't want to change Prime Minister because 40 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 4: they don't think that's in the country's interests. 41 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: Watching it all like the rest of us, as Rob 42 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: Little is with us. Morning mate, more is he so? 43 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: I'm well, indeed so yesterday it seems to be put 44 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: a bit of rid meat to those who are buying. 45 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: So get a resignation out of the way. Sea that 46 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: helps then have a meeting with the MPs that get 47 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: then wound up behind him. Is that the end of 48 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: it or not? 49 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: Well, certainly not the end of it, but it might 50 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: be the end of it for a bit, or at 51 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 2: least until Friday. You know, everything gets so truncated these 52 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: days that these catastrophes happened within the space of a week. 53 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 2: The great problem for the opposition within the Labor Party 54 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 2: to Keir Starmer, which incidentally constitutes ninety six point five 55 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: percent of the Labor Party. I mean, it just does, 56 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: is that there's no one else, you know, A Westtreeting 57 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 2: is tainted with his a with his connections with Peter 58 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 2: Mandelson and also isn't popular with the Electrical Party. Angela 59 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: Railer is still being examined for tax problems over the 60 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 2: fact that she didn't actually know where she lived. Andy 61 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: Burnham can't stand Ed Milliband. You know, they go for 62 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: Ed Milliband reformable with the next election by a massive 63 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: landslide because he is the architect of you know, net zero. 64 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 2: So there is no well easy they could go to 65 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 2: and I think that is what has made it far 66 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 2: more difficult for the opposition MPs in the last for 67 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: the opposition within the Labor Party to say, look, you've 68 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: going to go, you should go. There is no question 69 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 2: Boris went because he ate a piece of cake. You know, 70 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: this man has made a series of catastrophic appointments and 71 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 2: the latest one has come back to ort him. You 72 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: should have gone ages ago. 73 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: The Burnham thing. I know he didn't want Burnham to 74 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: stand because he was going to challenge any way. But 75 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: before did they in blocking him get exceeding lucky? Not 76 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: knowing that it could be catastrophic so quickly or was 77 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: it all planned They knew catastrophe was coming and they 78 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: were desperate to stop them from entering politics. 79 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: No, I don't think they knew. I think that it's 80 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,679 Speaker 2: credenting them with more prescients than this government has ever had. 81 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 2: They have learned from crisis to crisis since the moment 82 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 2: they were elected. Or let's give them three or four weeks. 83 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 2: The first three or four weeks back in July to 84 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 2: August twenty twenty four were okay, But since then it 85 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: has been crisis after crisis after crisis. And you know, 86 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 2: I talked to some Labor MPs who you know, I 87 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 2: know are usted for northern seats and they are just 88 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 2: so utterly disheartened. But you know, you look at the 89 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 2: opinion polls, Labor is doing terribly badly. Indeed, the Tories 90 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 2: are having a slight revise, but reform stubbornly cannot get 91 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 2: above thirty percent. So there is an election there in 92 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 2: the office in a few years time, and it's all 93 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 2: to playful and Labor just have to get its kind 94 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 2: of duck sill a rome and they will be a 95 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: viable force. 96 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: Is there anything going well for labor at all? Because 97 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I've been thinking about the general poll. So 98 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: you've got him and it's not him, it's the economy 99 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: and all the other bits and pieces around it. Okay, 100 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: Can they point to something, you know, when these ministers 101 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: get rolled out and saying, you know, reform takes time 102 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: and we're on the case. Are they is anything going well? 103 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? Ironically they can point to the fact that a 104 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 2: number of illegal migrants coming here has reduced considerably, and 105 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 2: indeed the immigration level coming here has reduced quite a lot. Now, 106 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: now it's probably true that a lot of that was 107 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 2: down to measures introduced Missus Sue Aptam before that Boris 108 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: Johnson's governments. But nonetheless Labour's kept up with it and 109 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: added to it. And so they can claim that on 110 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 2: the economy, they can claim nothing. They are in real, 111 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 2: real trouble. 112 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,799 Speaker 1: Morgan McSweeney, who was the casualty yesterday, it is suggested 113 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: by a lot of people, in fact everyone, as far 114 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: as I'm reading, he was the bodyguard. He was the 115 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: protection and Starmer is now exposed. Is that part true. 116 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 2: A little yes, undoubtedly. Morgan McSweeney was very important to 117 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 2: kiss Starmer. He he was part of the party, the 118 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 2: part of the party that I've come from Blue Labor. 119 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 2: But that meant immediately that he was loathed by two 120 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: thirds of the Labor Party, and given the failures recently, 121 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: it means he was loathed by everybody. I mean, he 122 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 2: just had no platform whatsoever from which to support himself 123 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 2: and so he had to go. I don't think that 124 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 2: necessarily means that Starmer has to go. Stara's no idea. 125 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: Log he can appoint someone else and you know, you know, 126 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: We've talked so many times over the last year. Is 127 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: his time to Starmer to go? It's always time to 128 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: Starmer to go, because he's been a disaster. But he 129 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 2: never does. He never does, and he's not going now either. 130 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: I've lost count of the number of stage political correspondents 131 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 2: who have said to me over the last six days, well, 132 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 2: he's going to go by Monday. Here we are, it's Monday. 133 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 2: He's still there. 134 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: Is He also saved by the fact the election is 135 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: not this year or next. 136 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: Yes, of course he is. Yeah, of course he is. 137 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 2: So he can always say things will improve greatly over 138 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: the next three years. They won't. There is no indication 139 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 2: as to why they would, but yes, and of course 140 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: is helped by the fact that there are so few 141 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 2: elections now in May that Labor might not do that 142 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: badly out of them, so that might play in his favor. 143 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: All right, well, let's see what the PaperWorks is when 144 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: that comes out. We'll talk to you Thursday and look 145 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: forward to it too. Rod Little Out of Britain. For 146 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to news 147 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: Talks it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the 148 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio.