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Speaker 1: Now talked about this yesterday. A campaign is underway to

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Speaker 1: stop what looks like an attempt to set up co

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Speaker 1: governance over Auckland's why Parkeety Ranges. The council wants to

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Speaker 1: set up a decision making committee which is made up

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Speaker 1: fifty percent of tongue at the Fenoa and then fifty

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Speaker 1: percent of the government and council. And this will come

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Speaker 1: as a surprise to you if you thought that this

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Speaker 1: new government was putting a stop to co governance. Auckland

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Speaker 1: City Councilor Richard Hills is with us to explain more.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Richard Suder, how are you. How's the mumlife?

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Speaker 1: You're right, awesome, Thank you, It's very good. Thank you, Richard.

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Speaker 1: We could talk for hours about it, and we often do.

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Speaker 1: You and I let's talk about the co governance. Why

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Speaker 1: do we need this?

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Speaker 2: Yes, so this two thousand, well two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 2: so seventeen years ago o a Tackety Heritage Act was

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Speaker 2: Britain and it said we must enter a deed. Seventeen

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Speaker 2: years later, we're finally entering the deed. The deed is

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Speaker 2: essentially working together for the best outcomes for the White

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Speaker 2: Tuckety Rangers. Part of giving effect to that, we've suggested

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Speaker 2: setting up a joint committee, which was basically like oversight.

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Speaker 2: They'll set up a strategic plan, but all the decision

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Speaker 2: making still sits with the local boards and the council.

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Speaker 2: But instead of going to like we have to if

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Speaker 2: anyone our three local boards, the governing body water care

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Speaker 2: or can transport dock, why not do it all as

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Speaker 2: one group and then you have all those voices come

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Speaker 2: out around the table together and then the outcome is

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Speaker 2: hopefully better and more efficient for the rangers.

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Speaker 1: So this particular committee, this will make the decisions about

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Speaker 1: the rangers.

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Speaker 2: No, so they basically restricted to setting up a working

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Speaker 2: on a plan together and oversight. So a lot of

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Speaker 2: this happens anyway, but very disjointed, and then it gets

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Speaker 2: presented in fifteen different ways before anything happens. So essentially

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Speaker 2: it's looking at which the deed in the Act says back,

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Speaker 2: you know, talking seventeen years ago, not some random new

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Speaker 2: thing that the relationship will be worked on together to

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Speaker 2: basically improve the environmental outcomes recreational life.

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Speaker 1: But so I just want to understand the power of

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Speaker 1: the committee. What is the power of this committee, what

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Speaker 1: can it.

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Speaker 2: Do basically set up a plan.

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Speaker 1: Set up a plan. Basically, it sets up the plan

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Speaker 1: and then it gets disbanded, does it.

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Speaker 2: No, it doesn't get disbanded. It it's basically does what

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Speaker 2: all those different groups do together now as monitor come

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Speaker 2: to the council and say hey, you're not doing the

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Speaker 2: things you said you did. It will set up the

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Speaker 2: strategic plan and then every three years that will be

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Speaker 2: done again and then they would potentially be able to

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Speaker 2: create a work program that council and dop in everyone

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Speaker 2: look at. They could probably come and advocate to the

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Speaker 2: council for So.

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Speaker 1: They've got no power at all. They just they just

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Speaker 1: they're just like a sounding board. They have no power.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because we already have to answer, So.

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Speaker 1: How do we pay for this then? For this nonsense

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Speaker 1: that doesn't make any decisions.

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Speaker 2: Well, hopefully it's less than we're doing now because at

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Speaker 2: the moment we have reports and decisions. So there's no

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Speaker 2: because it hasn't been set up. It'll basically be staff

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Speaker 2: admin time, which is already going on on the disparate groups,

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Speaker 2: going to every local board, going to doc You know,

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Speaker 2: when you've got the White Tuckety Rangers, forest and bird

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Speaker 2: and Tree Council and Protection Society all saying thank you,

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Speaker 2: please do the specific of going to five six different

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Speaker 2: groups every time we want to do some volunteer work

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Speaker 2: in the rangers.

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Speaker 1: Why do they have to go to five or six

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Speaker 1: different groups? These groups don't have any decision making power,

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Speaker 1: So what's why they obligated to go to these groups?

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Speaker 2: Because they'll go to Manafena and talk to them, and

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Speaker 2: then they'll go to the three local boards and go

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Speaker 2: what do you think? Then they'll come to the council

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Speaker 2: and go what do you think? Because we are in

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Speaker 2: charge of the regional park and instead they're saying, you know,

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Speaker 2: these groups that are now saying that we should be

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Speaker 2: doing this, they can come to one group, a sounding board,

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Speaker 2: an oversight committee, basically all the groups that are passionate

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Speaker 2: about for the local boards and the Facado a Maki

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Speaker 2: who are already involved, already passionate, already doing this work,

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Speaker 2: and the White Tuckety Rangers, they could do it together

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Speaker 2: and then council only has one port of call, but

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Speaker 2: all the decision making over budgets, over contracts, all that

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Speaker 2: kind of thing would still sit with walking council and

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Speaker 2: the local boards. They could over time, like they've seen

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Speaker 2: in the Kuiperer delegate to that group, like the government

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Speaker 2: have set up a bunch of funding for the private

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Speaker 2: funding is now going into that, and that is a

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Speaker 2: group for the council.

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Speaker 1: So the Council could delegate decision making power to this

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Speaker 1: joint committee.

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Speaker 2: Only if it only if it thought that that made sense,

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Speaker 2: or it was.

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Speaker 1: Start that makes sense. So I can see that this

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Speaker 1: is what's coming down the path, though, isn't it, Richard. No.

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Speaker 2: I think the disappointing thing of all the kind of

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Speaker 2: the stuff has been going on for a very long time,

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Speaker 2: long before before anyone was concerned.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Richard. And because it sucks, people want to

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Speaker 1: stop it.

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Speaker 2: But stop what people working together for the better than

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Speaker 2: origional park.

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Speaker 1: I think the problem here is that there are unelected

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Speaker 1: people who get ultimately decision making power over everybody. And

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Speaker 1: they are and this is the important bit, unelected. But

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Speaker 1: they're by dint of their race.

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Speaker 2: No, they're thereby the fact that they're the mane been

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Speaker 2: work for the area.

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Speaker 1: Different words to describe exactly the same thing, Richard, Listen,

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Speaker 1: tell me something there is apparently, and I was reading

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Speaker 1: about this apparently to Caludo Amaki want to shut down

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Speaker 1: about or want to restrict access to about thirty five

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Speaker 1: percent of the park and shut down something like thirteen

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Speaker 1: or fourteen percent of the tracks. Is that right?

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Speaker 2: I don't know the exact details. They've had a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of Roughly roughly this sounds about right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, No, I've seen proposals where they want to close

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Speaker 2: off the areas that are most affected by Cody diebacks

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Speaker 2: and the areas that are most that need to be protected.

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Speaker 2: But with the government, council and Manafina have already worked

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Speaker 2: together on that. We're reopening tracks where it's safe, and

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Speaker 2: there's the areas that are as saying can you assure me.

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Speaker 1: Can you assure me that that is not going to happen?

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Speaker 1: That there is not going to be a group of

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Speaker 1: people in Auckland City who are going to shut down

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Speaker 1: thirty five percent or restrict access to thirty five percent

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Speaker 1: of that park.

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Speaker 2: That no one can do that apart from the council.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Hey, thank you very much, Richard, As per usual,

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Speaker 1: love chatting to you. That's Richard Hill's Auckland City Councils.

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