1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Now, the Broadcasting Standards Authority is defending its decision to 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: go after online content. They've responded to a complaint which 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: was filed about a comment that broadcaster Sean Plunkett made 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: on as online only show The platform BSA Chief executive 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: Stacy Wood explains the thinking. 6 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 2: We've said that we're going to assess online complaints on 7 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: a case by case basis, and we have previously said 8 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 2: that things like social media don't seem as clearly within 9 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 2: the purpose of the Act. However, we acknowledge these broadcasters 10 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: that simultaneously broadcast on their own channels, terrestrial channels, their 11 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 2: Facebook pages. So yes, good, very good question, and we 12 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: look forward to determining those complaints. 13 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: So the question is how do they decide what they're 14 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: going to go after. 15 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's applying a pragmatic lens to it. Does it 16 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: look like radio? Does it sound like radio? 17 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: Broadcaster Sean Plunket is with us on this. Hello Sean, 18 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: get a ever, Nice to talk to you, lovely to 19 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: chat to you. Now, did you have any indication at 20 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: all before this arrived that you were now under their jurisdiction? 21 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 3: No, none, what soever. 22 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 4: In fact, we ran pro most when we started pointing 23 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 4: out that we weren't. 24 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 3: Yes, and when did you start three and a half 25 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 3: years ago? Right? 26 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: And so they'd indicated that they've actually made this decision 27 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: all the way back in twenty nineteen. So it's been 28 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: what that means, it's been kept a secret from all 29 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: of us for about six years, isn't it? 30 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 3: Yes? 31 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 4: And they've never levied me. I don't even know what 32 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 4: the broadcasting standards are. They've never sent them to me. 33 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: Do you think from that comment about if it looks 34 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: like radio and sounds like radio, then it's radio, does 35 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: that clarify it at all for you? No? 36 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 4: And I don't think it clarifies it for anyone else either. 37 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 4: Here that I think the problem is. I think they 38 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 4: are having a crack. I don't quite know why they've 39 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 4: messed it up so fundamentally from the get go. This 40 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 4: complaint will never see the light of day. 41 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 42 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: Are you of the view that they're going to back down? 43 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 3: Well? My I think they'll have to. They've got nowhere 44 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 3: to go with this. 45 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 4: They can't say that I was under their jurisdiction when 46 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 4: I made the comments, because they've had to issue a 47 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 4: judgment saying asserting that they are so clearly I wasn't 48 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 4: so I the complaint falls over and they're kind of 49 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 4: grab for jurisdiction falls over because they're acting outside the law. 50 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 4: Parliament hasn't told them they can do this. In fact, 51 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 4: it specifically said we don't want to address this. 52 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 3: Stick to your lane. They're going outside their lane. That 53 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 3: is illegal. 54 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: Do you not see it? Is there not an argument 55 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: that they can interpret their legislation as including the Internet? 56 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 3: No? 57 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: Why not? 58 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 4: It's not because the legislation was written in nineteen eighty 59 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 4: nine before the Internet. 60 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it took It's about transmission being received and 61 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: so on like that, you know, and you can see 62 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: that that could partially fit the definition, and. 63 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 4: That was for p people who had to get broadcasting 64 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 4: licenses radio and television stations. I don't need a broadcasting 65 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 4: license and I haven't got one, okay, And they've never 66 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 4: levied me to pay for them the two and a 67 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 4: half million dollars a year they cost. 68 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: Now, question question is why they do this. 69 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 4: Then, because three of their board members were appointed by 70 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 4: Willie Jackson, and it is a back doorway to try 71 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 4: and mold media narratives and suppress freedom of speech in 72 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 4: New Zealand. 73 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: But hold on a teck. They can't be that dumb, though, 74 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: Sean that they thought, yes they can. 75 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 3: Neither, No, whither they can. 76 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 4: The Wokerrati are that dumb, and they are in such 77 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 4: cognitive dissonance now that they don't have. 78 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 3: A compliant government. 79 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: Stop it. 80 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 4: I've had dozens of lawyers contact me explaining how dumb 81 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 4: they are. 82 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: No, No, hold on a tack. Are you telling me 83 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: that when they did this and they decided they were 84 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: going to come after you with an interim judgment that 85 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: they actually thought they'd be able to see this through 86 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: and you would actually take this and it would be 87 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: fine and they could start policing the internet. 88 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 4: Well, I do know that they told the minister what 89 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 4: they were going to do the day before, because heads up, 90 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 4: so they knew they were probably buying a fight. 91 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 92 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 4: I think they thought I would be dreadfully scared and 93 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 4: spend lots of money and crawl up in a ball 94 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 4: and cry, Well, I'm not going. 95 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 3: To I've just told them basically, you're not the boss 96 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 3: of me. And also, you know it's funny. Stacey Wood 97 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 3: went on with Mike this morning after It's Only Mew. 98 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 4: Yesterday there wouldn't be any interviews and they're not making 99 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 4: any comment. I went back to her today and I said, well, 100 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 4: I presume you're coming on tomorrow. We should talk to 101 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 4: Mike a broadcaster. No no, no, no, no, we're not 102 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 4: going to talk to you. 103 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: We're in dispute with you. And I said, no, you're not. 104 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 3: I've got nothing to do with you. 105 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: Oh lord, Okay, now see the Lord, they really haven't 106 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: thought this through because what this now brings us to 107 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: if you think about this a little bit more deeply, 108 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: you start to actually, after this little stunt that they've pulled, 109 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: you start to question whether they should even exist at all, 110 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: giving you start to realize how little control they have 111 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: over what we're consuming content wise. Have you not reached 112 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: this conclusion? 113 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 3: Oh? 114 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 4: I know absolutely, And I think they should be disbanded. 115 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 4: And I don't think you need. I don't think z 116 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 4: B needs to have them basically, and what they are 117 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 4: basically they use the threat of the process, the convoluted 118 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 4: process of a BSA complaint. They use that threat to 119 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 4: kind of create an atmosphere of fear where you're more 120 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 4: circumspect about exercising your freedom of speech as a broadcaster 121 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 4: and your callers a more circumspect about exercising their freedom 122 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 4: of speech because God, just the trouble and the bureaucracy 123 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 4: of going through what they create is, you know, damages people. 124 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a fair point, Sewan, It's good to talk 125 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: to you. Thanks for coming on. Good luck with it broadcasters. 126 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: Sean Plunketter's with the platform. 127 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 4: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. 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