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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: duperic Eland drive with One New Zealand to coverage like

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Speaker 1: no one else, News talks every.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show. Coming up today, Chris Hipkins is

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Speaker 3: going to be talking to media at quarter to five.

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Speaker 3: We're going to make sure that you hear it. How

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Speaker 3: New Zealand will tell us if we should be worried

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Speaker 3: about their rapid decentralization. That's after five and then west

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Speaker 3: Pax Cali ekhold on why he thinks we should be

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Speaker 3: working from home to save the fuel.

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Speaker 4: Heather Duper Clan.

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Speaker 3: We need to talk about inflation because inflation is making

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Speaker 3: me pretty sure now that the National Party needs to

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Speaker 3: rethink its planned for the selection. So we've just had

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Speaker 3: the flu of the food inflation data out today. No surprise,

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Speaker 3: food has gone up in price again in the year

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Speaker 3: to February, up four point five percent. The biggest increase

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Speaker 3: in a single item was mince. It went up twenty

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Speaker 3: three point two percent. That is the highest recorded jump

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Speaker 3: in mince in two decades. Now, mince is a reasonably

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Speaker 3: big deal in this day, I reckon because mince and

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Speaker 3: sausages obviously, but mince is one of those bits of

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Speaker 3: meat that we go to when we're feeling the pinch, right,

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Speaker 3: can't afford the sirloin steak, you go for the mince instead.

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Speaker 3: So if the thing that is the so called cheaper

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Speaker 3: you how hard it's gonna be for families to make

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Speaker 3: ends meat right, And it's of course not just them.

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Speaker 3: Everything everything, everything has gone up. There are few that

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Speaker 3: have gone back in price, but for the most part,

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Speaker 3: things that you really need, not the snacks, the stuff

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Speaker 3: you need gone up in price. And this is gonna

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Speaker 3: get worse. What's been happening in around for the last

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Speaker 3: seventeen days will, without a shadow of a doubt, push

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Speaker 3: up our food prices even further than they are right now.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna start with the vegetables first because they're already

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Speaker 3: that take longer to produce, So your weak based stuff,

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Speaker 3: meat will go up. Everything will go up. It's the fertilizer.

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Speaker 3: Because of the lack of access to Yuia fertilizer prices

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Speaker 3: Then it's the fuel cost of getting it from the

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Speaker 3: land on us every single month. Four months now, and

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Speaker 3: they're talking about six months, you can push it out.

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Speaker 3: If they're talking about six months, it's going to be

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: The Neat's whole strategy for this election was that they

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Speaker 3: will be fine because the economy will improve and we

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Speaker 3: will all feel richer, us voters, and we will thank

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Speaker 3: the NATS for making this cost of living thing go away,

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Speaker 3: and their polling will go up as a result, and

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Speaker 3: That is now not going to happen. The cost of

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Speaker 3: living crisis will not be over in November. It will

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Speaker 3: keep having us in the items that we can't avoid,

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Speaker 3: which is petrol for many but food for everyone. So

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Speaker 3: the NATS need a new plan that requires them actually

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Speaker 3: doing something more than just waiting for voters to feel richer.

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Speaker 3: Because we're not gonna.

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Speaker 4: Heather do for see Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Nine through nine three is the text number standard text

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Speaker 3: Fiece applier might actually get barried sober to give me

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Speaker 3: his thoughts on that when he's with us just before

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Speaker 3: five o'clock. Now, finding the best schools may in fact

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Speaker 3: be about to get easier because the Education Review Office

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Speaker 3: is overhauling how it reports on schools performance. Schools will

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Speaker 3: now be rated from excelling to requiring improvement across fourteen

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Speaker 3: different areas including reading, writing, maths, and attendance. It will

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Speaker 3: be all available online for parents to see. The Chief

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Speaker 3: executive of the EROS, Ruth Shanoda High Ruth Hi. The

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Speaker 6: The point is it for parents to understand their child

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Speaker 6: already at school. We know how well schools are doing,

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Speaker 6: and now we're explaining that to parents.

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Speaker 3: This start is stuff that you already have available and online.

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Speaker 6: Is that right at the moment we collect this information.

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Speaker 6: When we do this really in depth reviews of schools,

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Speaker 6: year about seven hundred, and we collect the information, but

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Speaker 6: then the way we currently explain it, parents have just

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Speaker 6: told us they cannot understand it. It's in education jargon,

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Speaker 6: them really clear ratings. So we've fixed that. We've worked

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Speaker 6: with about one hundred parents up and down the country

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Speaker 6: to together develop something parents find useful.

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Speaker 3: How have the schools reacted to this?

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Speaker 6: So we've also been working with schools, and we've worked

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Speaker 6: in depth with twelve and talked to many more. We're

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Speaker 6: t do three things. Firstly, nice clear, easily understandable for parents,

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Speaker 6: which is those fourteen areas, each.

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Speaker 7: Of which have a judgment.

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Speaker 6: But secondly, for schools, they're welcoming the fact that we're

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Speaker 6: actually explaining how old schools are doing in a way

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Speaker 6: that they can communicate with their community and for example

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Speaker 6: doing things like pulling out progress. So schools have got

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Speaker 6: quite a tricky intake of kids. They can still do

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Speaker 6: really well in progress, and now we can show that

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Speaker 6: and they can show it to their community.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, because this feels a little bit like

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Speaker 3: a different way of doing DSOL, like obviously a completely

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Speaker 3: the same things where we start to have judgments about

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Speaker 3: certain schools and avoid them. Would you anticipate that.

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Speaker 6: Happening, So we've deliberately designed it to try and avoid

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Speaker 6: that because we're not doing single word judgments. We've got

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Speaker 6: fourteen areas of things that we know really get great

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Speaker 6: outcomes from kids, as you were saying, gender achievement, progress, reading, writing, maths,

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Speaker 6: but also other things like how good's the curriculum, how

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Speaker 6: And for each of those they get one of the

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Speaker 6: four point judgment. So then what parents have said they

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Speaker 6: want to do is just to understand that and understand, Okay,

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Speaker 6: this school is really good at these things, that's important

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Speaker 6: to my child. Well, actually that school's good at these things,

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Speaker 6: that's a better fix for my child. So it's enabling

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Speaker 6: parents to basically know what we know.

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Speaker 3: Do you think Ruth's going to lift school's performance?

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Speaker 6: That is the hope is that we've got a whole

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Speaker 6: for strengthening their performance. So if schools have got areas improvement.

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Speaker 6: Now we're really clear from the evidence. If you do

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Speaker 6: It's for parents, but the new report's are also for

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Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, Ruth, I love the idea and thank you

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Speaker 3: Education Review Office Chief Executive. Just way, it's my prediction

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Speaker 3: somebody is going to complain about this. It's going to

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Speaker 3: it's going to be the labor Party, it's gonna be

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Speaker 3: one of those three. Listen. I am getting a hell

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Speaker 3: of a lot of texts about something going on in Auckland.

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Speaker 3: Here there any idea what's happening in Auckland. Twenty odd

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Speaker 3: As I said, Chippy is holding a press conference at

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Speaker 3: I'm still getting texts here. The big chase was in

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Speaker 3: give you the information. It's a Bronco eighteen past.

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Speaker 3: studio absolutely fizzing because you're getting a new knee.

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Speaker 8: Yes, I am well, not yet. Once it gets rubber stamped,

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Speaker 8: you know, all various bits and papers and tics. It

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Speaker 3: Does he chop it off sort of mid thigh in

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Speaker 8: No no, no, not med thigh, no, not med THI

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Speaker 8: just above the old es he mister Hanlon, You just

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Speaker 8: if you go some so after nearly forty years of

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Speaker 8: having a super dodgy knee, it looks like this ole

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Speaker 8: bugger's going to you.

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Speaker 3: It's the little clubby bit at the bottom of each

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Speaker 3: end of your bones. They just they just stick around

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Speaker 8: I'll show your picture. I've got a picture.

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Speaker 5: You see it.

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Speaker 8: Twenty and and mister Hanlon says, hello too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know your surgeon. I'm going to pay him

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Speaker 3: some money to stick something God. Yeah, just you know what,

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Speaker 3: Like you know what would be quite fun if I

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Speaker 3: Because isn't that fundamental problem actually, the fact that they've

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Speaker 8: What on earth is motorsport about, Brad? Thank you?

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Speaker 8: Racing? Why don't they just they should take all the

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Speaker 3: Darcy, thank you, You're wonderful. Look forward to you at

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Speaker 3: seven Darcy wan Grace Sports Store poster to be back

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Speaker 4: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic Asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 11: The gentlement produced our worst case scenario around the war.

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Speaker 12: It simply the case.

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Speaker 13: We don't know what's going through seconds, but of course

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Speaker 3: Look it as at least forecast for guessing games for

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Speaker 11: Guessing games and just get on with life for goodness sake.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather dup cl and Drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 3: We're standing by for the Reserve Bank of Australia to

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Speaker 3: and it probably is going to go up, which is

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Speaker 1: The day's newspakers talked to Heather first, Heather Duplicy Ellen

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Speaker 1: Mobile News said, be you know.

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Speaker 3: Poo, the ADA has just lifted the OCR in Australia.

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Speaker 3: Or have a chat to Murray Olds, who's going to

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Speaker 4: It's the world wires on news talks, they'd.

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Speaker 15: The only need here is called Iran to stop attacking

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Speaker 9: We defend all these countries and then Gaviny mind sweepers.

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 3: Murray Old Australia corresponded with us. Now he mus afternoon,

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Speaker 17: as well more people out of work. A lot of

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Speaker 17: those people have got mortgages. It's a conundrum. That's one

439
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Speaker 17: that's well above my pay grade.

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Speaker 3: So do you think the failure of the government to

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Speaker 3: rule out the fuel rationing does that sound to you

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Speaker 3: like they want to keep that open as a realistic option.

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Speaker 17: It's an option, isn't it. Yeah? I mean I did hear.

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Speaker 17: Miles was on the ABC on ABC television this morning

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Speaker 17: and I watched him. I watched the interview and I

446
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Speaker 17: heard what he said. It did ring like alarm bells

447
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Speaker 17: in the back of my head, a bit like the

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Speaker 17: Reserve Bank perhaps moving now to avoid the possibility of

449
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Speaker 17: half a point rise in May, Miles, maybe throwing it

450
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Speaker 17: out there because don't forget. I mean, I'm sure I

451
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Speaker 17: mentioned this to you last week. There was one service

452
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Speaker 17: station up in northern New South Wales and Armadale, I

453
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Speaker 17: think from memory that's about six hours north of Sydney

454
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Speaker 17: that was selling unleaded fuel three dollars forty. Now the

455
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Speaker 17: average pump price here in Sydney did this afternoon's around

456
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Speaker 17: the two dollars forty mark. So somebody's making money up north.

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Speaker 17: And the Australian consumer watchdog, the Consumer and Competition Commission,

458
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Speaker 17: they hauled in the big fuel supplies this morning for

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Speaker 17: talks I think in Canberra, basically saying well, you've got

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Speaker 17: to justify these prices people. BP was in their ampole

461
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Speaker 17: Chevron ex on Mobile seven to eleven, as well as

462
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Speaker 17: a huge petrol player over here. All these different companies

463
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Speaker 17: were hauled in and asked to justify their prices. We

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Speaker 17: haven't yet seen the outcome of that buzz.

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Speaker 3: I suppose everybody's buying EV's in fact. In fact us

466
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Speaker 3: talking to the guys from Byd in New Zealand. They

467
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Speaker 3: said there was some ridiculous number like about eight hundred

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Speaker 3: byds that got sold in Australia on Saturday alone.

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Speaker 17: I wouldn't be surprised, is that A Well, I that's

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Speaker 17: a new stat to me, and I'm grateful to you

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Speaker 17: because I'm very interested in this. I've got some good

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Speaker 17: contacts with the electric Vehicle Council of Australia and not surprisingly,

473
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Speaker 17: they were pumping up the tires of EV sales this morning.

474
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Speaker 17: There were ninety thousand new vehicles sold in Australia in February.

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Speaker 17: Electric vehicles are record twelve percent of those sales plug

476
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Speaker 17: in hybrids right the plug in electric hybrids up by

477
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Speaker 17: twenty percent now in twenty twenty five, nearly forty percent

478
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Speaker 17: I bought. There were one point two four million new

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Speaker 17: cars sold last year in Australia. One hundred and sixty

480
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Speaker 17: thousand of those were electric vehicles. And they gave me

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Speaker 17: some stats this morning, Heather, if you're driving a petrol

482
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Speaker 17: powered car one hundred kilometers an hour with fuel two

483
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Speaker 17: dollars per liter, it's going to cost you twenty two

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Speaker 17: dollars when fuel goes to three dollars a liter. To

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Speaker 17: Heaven help us, that same hundred cas is going to

486
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Speaker 17: cost you in your petrol car thirty three dollars thirty

487
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Speaker 17: have a listen to evs. There can be charged to capacity.

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Speaker 17: The evening peak six o'clock is there's the evening peak

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Speaker 17: for charging evs in Australia. You can charge the car

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Speaker 17: to capacity for five dollars ninety To do those one

491
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Speaker 17: hundred k's at noon, it's going to cost you a

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Speaker 17: dollar twenty. So you do the sums a dollar twenty

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Speaker 17: compared to what thirty three dollars I know what buying

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Speaker 17: EVA And the other big point about all of this

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Speaker 17: there are so many different models now BYD's that's just

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Speaker 17: one of them. You go Cherries, you get all sorts

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Speaker 17: of different Chinese vehicles coming.

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Speaker 7: In and they are like rolls Royces. They can fly

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Speaker 7: to the bloody moon.

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Speaker 17: Just about all the bells and whistles I've gone.

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Speaker 7: It's extraordinary.

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Speaker 4: Love it.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thanks Maz, you look after yourself and enjoy your

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Speaker 3: new ev Murray Olds, Australia correspondent, eighteen away from.

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Speaker 4: Five Heather do for clan following.

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Speaker 3: By the way, on Australia, you've been following what's been

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Speaker 3: going on with Grace Tame over there. This is like

508
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Speaker 3: a classic case of a young person unraveling their career.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to talk you through it when I get

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Speaker 3: a chance. Hither. I don't know why they're saying choose

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Speaker 3: a school when there is no choice in the school.

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Speaker 3: You legally have to go to the school you are

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Speaker 3: zoned for that is the one that you live closest to. Aha. Now, yes, yes,

514
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Speaker 3: those are the rules. But doesn't always work like that,

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Speaker 3: does it. Now in the part of the city that

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Speaker 3: I live, there are some schools nearby that have falling

517
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Speaker 3: rolls because house prices have got so out of control

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Speaker 3: in those particular suburbs I'm talking about her in Bay

519
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Speaker 3: sent me Bay. House prices are now so high there

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Speaker 3: that people with young children cannot afford to live in

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Speaker 3: those parts of the city. So as a result, the

522
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Speaker 3: school's role is falling. As a result, you can often

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Speaker 3: get into those schools if you're out of zone. So

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Speaker 3: you can choose. You can choose. You can go to

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Speaker 3: the school that you're zoned for, go to the other school,

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Speaker 3: go to that school or that school because they haven't

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Speaker 3: And for the most part, if you apply, apparently for

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Speaker 3: the most part, ches I'm going to jinx my child's chances,

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Speaker 3: as he held on touchwood.

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Speaker 5: There we go.

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Speaker 3: But apparently you should be able to get in. So

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Speaker 3: that is why I say choose, because he actually in

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Speaker 3: some parts of the country can choose. Let me run

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Speaker 3: you through the food prices, what's gone on here, because

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Speaker 3: we're going to talk to Brad Olson about it after five,

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Speaker 3: so I get you across it. Food price is up

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Speaker 3: four point five percent in the year of February. Beef mints,

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Speaker 3: as I told you, biggest dnuel jump in two decades.

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Speaker 3: It's now sitting at twenty four and a half dollars

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Speaker 3: a cag that's up twenty three percent. Beef porterhouse and

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Speaker 3: sirloin steak up twenty one twenty two percent, now sitting

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Speaker 3: in around forty five dollars a cage. A chocolate block

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Speaker 3: is up twenty percent, now seven dollars thereabouts. You know

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Speaker 3: for twof olive oil has actually gone down in price,

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Speaker 3: down twenty two percent, freeshekes actually down six percent, and

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Speaker 3: potato crisps, which you don't need, so don't worry about it,

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Speaker 3: down three percent. Brad will tell us what's going to

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Speaker 3: happen from here on in Barri sixteen away from.

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Speaker 1: Five Politics with centrics, credit, check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 3: Surtaday, I just remind you we're going to talk to

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Speaker 3: Health New Zealand after five o'clock. Right now it's thirteen

552
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Speaker 3: away from five and barries so per senior political correspondence

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Speaker 3: with US High Barry, Good afternoon. Okay, we're standing by

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Speaker 3: right now for Chippy to start his press conference, which

555
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Speaker 3: hasn't kicked off just yet. But talk me through what

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Speaker 3: you understand is going on here.

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Speaker 9: Well, I don't think the press conference is going to

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Speaker 9: tell us a hell of a lot. If he's taken

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Speaker 9: legal advice, I'm sure the lawyer will have said to him,

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Speaker 9: don't address the issues one by one. Because there were

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Speaker 9: several allegations made in the initial post on Facebook. I've

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Speaker 9: been talking to his ex wife for some time this afternoon.

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Speaker 9: In fact, I knew her around Parliament, so we had

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Speaker 9: quite a long chat about what she claims went on

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Speaker 9: and the reason, essentially I think that she's now talking

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Speaker 9: about it is what she sees as the hypocrisy of

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Speaker 9: Chris Hipkin's some of the stuff that he espouses which

568
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Speaker 9: doesn't ring true to her, given what she says was

569
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Speaker 9: pretty unpleasant treatment by him of her when they were together.

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Speaker 9: They were together more than a decade, so it wasn't

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Speaker 9: a short it was a short marriage. That they'd been

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Speaker 9: together for some time. She, like any mother, would be

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Speaker 9: as concerned for her children. And then you'd have to ask, well,

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Speaker 9: why go public on this, and I think she obviously

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Speaker 9: feels that this is bigger than that. She says, everything

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Speaker 9: she said in public is the truth, and she called

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Speaker 9: it the verifiable truth. So she says she's got evidence

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Speaker 9: to back up.

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Speaker 3: So why do this, because I mean, this is all

580
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Speaker 3: stuff that can be can be litigated behind closed doors.

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Speaker 3: Why make it public?

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Speaker 9: Well, she clearly and I didn't ask her specifically this,

583
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Speaker 9: but clearly she believes this man could potentially be the

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Speaker 9: Prime Minister of New Zealand again, and she believes that

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Speaker 9: he isn't the sort of character that should be holding

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Speaker 9: that particular role. So that's why she's doing it. I mean,

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Speaker 9: you'd have to say, dare I say it? Phlly vindictive?

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Speaker 9: But you know marriage split up, sir, never easy situations

589
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Speaker 9: to be in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you think you'd be stoked for your

591
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Speaker 3: children they can say their father is the prime minister.

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Speaker 9: Well they can say it because he has been.

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Speaker 3: So oh well this is true. And lest anyone think

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Speaker 3: for one second that I want the Labor Party back

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Speaker 3: in power of him as the prime minister. Now our

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Speaker 3: prime minister, the one we currently have has moved on

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Speaker 3: to Tonga, has he So he's free of the troubles

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Speaker 3: that would be caused by the sarmor in prime minister's mouth.

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Speaker 9: Look quite sincerely, this is exactly what happened. The High

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Speaker 9: Commissioner for Apia in Samoa, he talked to the Ministry

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Speaker 9: of Foreign Affairs and said, will a Mattie chieftainship be

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Speaker 9: delivered to Chris Luxen when he arrives, because several other

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Speaker 9: prime ministers have had that honor bestowed on them, so

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Speaker 9: it's not uncommon for New Zealand prime ministers. And that

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Speaker 9: was interpreted by the High Commissioner going to the officials

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Speaker 9: in Apia and saying, is this on will this be happening?

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Speaker 9: And they in fact said yes, it is happening, and

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Speaker 9: for some unknown reason it's been transmitted to the primers

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Speaker 9: are saying that our prime minister asked for it, and

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Speaker 9: I think, you know, I can feel for Chris lux

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Speaker 9: and it's pretty bad.

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Speaker 18: But what about him?

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Speaker 3: Then mate heading back with the second one and saying.

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Speaker 9: He tried to get the ceremony aborted and you know,

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Speaker 9: I can understand trying to get the ceremony abort it

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Speaker 9: aborught it because well it was just bloody terrible what happened.

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Speaker 3: So is this guy new to the job, Schmidt.

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Speaker 9: Yeahs six months in the job. You remember there's a

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Speaker 9: female prime minister there before. But look prime ministers in

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Speaker 9: my time who have received matt eyres from Muldoon, David Longey,

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Speaker 9: Jim Bolger, John Key and Bill English. Interestingly, Helen Clark

622
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Speaker 9: was never offered one, and neither was Justin Dern who

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Speaker 9: offered the apology to the Sarmons for the Dawn raids

624
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Speaker 9: which her father incidentally was involved in, which it was

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Speaker 9: a story of mine at the time. So at a

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Speaker 9: political level, Muldoon, of course, who was responsible for the

627
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Speaker 9: raids on Sarmons living in this country, he's got one

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Speaker 9: as well. So well he did have one. It just seems,

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Speaker 9: you know, they handed out Philly Willy nilly.

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Speaker 4: Is it because of it?

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Speaker 3: It seems that you thing, is it a gender.

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Speaker 19: No, it's not.

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Speaker 9: No, you can a female can be sworn into that

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Speaker 9: as well. But you know, the thing is, it's a

635
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Speaker 9: common thing for New Zealand prime ministers to get And

636
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Speaker 9: there's a bit of descent now in Sarma and you

637
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Speaker 9: can understand this from the younger generations saying look these

638
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Speaker 9: are revered titles. Yeah, and they have to work generations

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Speaker 9: to get one themselves, and you've got some white blot

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Speaker 9: from New Zealand coming over and claiming, well, not claiming one,

641
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Speaker 9: but being given point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but fair point actually, Barry, Thanks very much, Barry.

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Speaker 3: So for senior political correspondent. Right, we'll get you some

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Speaker 3: chippy next eight away from five. All right, Chris Hipkins

645
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Speaker 3: has just wrapped up the press conference. So he looked mate,

646
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Speaker 3: He looks gutted, He looks absolutely shattered, as you would

647
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Speaker 3: if you had this kind of stuff, being the dirty

648
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Speaker 3: laundry being ad in public. So this is him talking

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Speaker 3: about how hard divorces.

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Speaker 14: Marriage breakups are very difficult. Everybody who's been through their

651
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Speaker 14: understands that marriage breakups are very difficult. There are always

652
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Speaker 14: going to be disagreements, There are always going to be

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Speaker 14: things that that you regret when your relationships break up.

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Speaker 14: A public forum like this is not the way to litigate.

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Speaker 3: Those obviously not the way to litigate it because there

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Speaker 3: are kids involved.

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Speaker 14: I haven't spoken to her at this point, do you

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Speaker 14: ape was that my kids are with My kids are

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Speaker 14: with her, so I don't know.

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Speaker 3: So the kids are obviously on holiday and Fiji, thank

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Speaker 3: the God Lord, because I don't have to watch this

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Speaker 3: playing out in public. He was asked about the affair

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Speaker 3: had an extra.

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Speaker 4: Amarrigal affair with the starting while I useful man.

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Speaker 3: No, okay, Now it appears that the intern that is referenced,

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Speaker 3: So one of the references is that there was an

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Speaker 3: affair with an intern. The intern appears to be a reference.

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Speaker 3: I'm reading between the lines here that the intern appears

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Speaker 3: to be a reference to the current fiancee, Tony, who

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Speaker 3: was an intern in his office in twenty ten. He

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Speaker 3: then met his ex wife in twenty thirteen. He says

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Speaker 3: there was no crossover whatsoever. There has not been in

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Speaker 3: an affair, and then he went on to you know,

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Speaker 3: spark up the relationship with Tony many years later, I

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Speaker 3: think in the twenty twenties or something like that. Anyway, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: pretty ugly. I mean, I think we all just hope

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Speaker 3: that that if marriages break up, people behave a little

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Speaker 3: bit better than this one has. We will discuss this

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Speaker 3: later on. We do have the Huddle standing by obviously

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Speaker 3: to talk about this as well. There's something it is

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Speaker 3: worth discussing, whether this is any of our interests whatsoever,

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Speaker 3: So we'll have a chat about that later on, just

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Speaker 3: really quickly, and we're going to talk about Health New

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Speaker 3: Zealand straight off the five because there has been a

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Speaker 3: warning about the unwinding of the centralization. You remember Andrew

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Speaker 3: Little did that. He got all rid of all the

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Speaker 3: health boards, made them all go central during the pandemic.

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Speaker 3: That's now being unwound at pace by Simme and Brown,

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Speaker 3: and we're being warned there is extreme risk of not

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Speaker 3: having enough workers to cope with us. We'll have a

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Speaker 3: chat to Health New Zealand about that.

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Speaker 18: Next news talk set by.

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Speaker 1: The Only Drive show you can tru trust to ask

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Speaker 1: the question, get the answers, find a fact sack and

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Speaker 1: give the analysis. Here the duplicy Ellen Drive with One

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Speaker 1: New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news talks,

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Speaker 1: There be good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: The government has ordered Health New Zealand to unwind some

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Speaker 3: of Andrew Little's centralization from the last government and delegate

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Speaker 3: some of its decision making back to the regions. Simeon Brown,

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Speaker 3: the Health Minister, says it won't be a return to

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Speaker 3: the days of DHBs, but it is a significant reform.

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Speaker 12: This is about making sure the right decisions are being

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Speaker 12: made at the right level. And absolutely putting staff closer

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Speaker 12: to the decisions and patients closer to the decisions I

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Speaker 12: think is a good thing and will ultimately mean better

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Speaker 12: care for patients.

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Speaker 3: Now, doctor Andrew Brandt is the acting Health New Zealand

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Speaker 3: Chief Executive and with us now, Hi Andrew.

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Speaker 13: Good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Now, you guys had some papers given to you recently

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Speaker 3: about this. They say, there's the papers say there's an

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Speaker 3: extreme risk of or not having enough workers. Do you agree.

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Speaker 13: This change of the devolution is a really good next

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Speaker 13: step of the evolution of Health New Zealand. That report

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Speaker 13: that you're referring to is actually just describing how well

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Speaker 13: we're doing currently in our financial situation and how we're

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Speaker 13: managing in twenty five twenty six, and it's rather positive,

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Speaker 13: but it also highlights about the devolution and the risk

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Speaker 13: and benefits of devolution, and quite rightly within it it

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Speaker 13: highlights some of the challenges and risks of doing that. Obviously,

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Speaker 13: Health New Zealand's just been through a whole period of

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Speaker 13: time of bringing together twenty DHBs, very centralized.

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Speaker 20: It went through.

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Speaker 13: Financial difficulties in the last couple of years. It has

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Speaker 13: improved that position the last couple of years and now

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Speaker 13: also we're delivering more as well. But if that report

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Speaker 13: highlights actually we need to change if we're going to

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Speaker 13: keep going with improvement. And really the key changes is

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Speaker 13: actually bringing the operating model much more to the front line,

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Speaker 13: bringing those coalitions into the decision making, bringing our community

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Speaker 13: as well into the decision making, and that really is

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Speaker 13: the next step, and that's what this is all about.

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Speaker 13: But it's a big change because of course we're a

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Speaker 13: large organization one hundred thousand people, thirty one billion dollar budget,

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Speaker 13: and we've got to do this devolution carefully and bringing

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Speaker 13: that so we can bring that decision making to improve

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Speaker 13: the care for our patients and population in a careful

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Speaker 13: and stage manner.

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Speaker 3: How is this good for us?

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Speaker 5: Why it's good?

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Speaker 13: It is because you know, we've got I think a

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Speaker 13: lot of benefits you know from actually the controls we've

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Speaker 13: had in the last year. We've had improved performance and

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Speaker 13: improved financial performance. But when you're so large, and actually

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Speaker 13: you can imagine how large it is and all the

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Speaker 13: hospitals and community services, you know, are we making the

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Speaker 13: absolutely right decisions at the front line, We can't know

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Speaker 13: that all centrally. So actually the next step is actually

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Speaker 13: making sure people at the front line help are engaged

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Speaker 13: in their budgets in the decision making. Are we making

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Speaker 13: the right decisions? Is just the right care model and

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Speaker 13: to get that next level of improvement for healthy zen

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Speaker 13: and for the population, we really need to empower the

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Speaker 13: front line.

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Speaker 3: Andrew, it's good to talk to you. Thanks for your time,

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Speaker 3: Andrew Brandt. Health New Zealand Acting Chief Executive.

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Speaker 4: Heather Dupe for see Allen.

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Speaker 3: Right, We've got the latest food inflation numbers, and mints

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Speaker 3: is the one that's really shot up. It's gone up

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Speaker 3: in price by almost a quarter, which is the biggest

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Speaker 3: annual increase in two decades, and it's contributed to food

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Speaker 3: prices being four and a half percent higher in the

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Speaker 3: year to February with US now to analyze this is

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Speaker 3: Infametrics Chief executive Brad Olson. High, Brad, good afternoon. Right,

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Speaker 3: this is just the international meat prices, isn't it effectively?

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Speaker 21: I mean we've basically seen mints prices increase every single

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Speaker 21: month for the last wee while, and to be honest,

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Speaker 21: I don't necessarily see that changing. We know that internationally

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Speaker 21: there's still a lot of demand for protein. The US

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Speaker 21: is looking for beef they need to make their hamburgers

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Speaker 21: and everything else, and there's not as much of it

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Speaker 21: around the world. In the US, they've got the lowest

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Speaker 21: beefstock numbers in like fifty years. If there's not animals

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Speaker 21: running around, they can't kill them and eat them for

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Speaker 21: us here at home, even we've seen lower numbers of

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Speaker 21: beef being killed over time. I think it's down like

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Speaker 21: something like three percent. So it does get us into

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Speaker 21: that position. Strong demand, not quite as much. Supply. Prices

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Speaker 21: have increased substantially, but of course that's hitting the bottom

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Speaker 21: line for a lot of Kiwi households. Where mince is

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Speaker 21: normally or has been before the cheap option, now it's

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Speaker 21: nowhere near.

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Speaker 3: Now, take a look at what is going on in

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Speaker 3: Iran and tell me what's going to happen to food prices,

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Speaker 3: not just mince, but food prices from here on.

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Speaker 21: It well, I mean, it doesn't take a genius or

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Speaker 21: an economists to tell you that. I mean, prices are

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Speaker 21: going to go.

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Speaker 3: Up with how much?

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Speaker 21: Well, and that's the question, and probably also how quickly?

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Speaker 21: Is the point that we keep coming back to. We

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Speaker 21: know that not only oil prices are key to transport costs,

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Speaker 21: but also just the production. You know, if you're a farmer,

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Speaker 21: you've got to use diesel to move stuff around, to

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Speaker 21: run the tractor and everything else.

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Speaker 9: So this is going to hit.

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Speaker 3: We've done some.

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Speaker 21: Numbers recently that show that ten percent of non wage

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Speaker 21: operating costs into supermarkets are purely because of transport costs.

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Speaker 21: So that's going to really start to hit. What I

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Speaker 21: expect and what I'm hearing is sort of two angles.

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Speaker 5: One.

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Speaker 21: Some businesses are saying, we know that prices have continued

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Speaker 21: to go up. We're not going to pass them on

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Speaker 21: because we're too uncertain. We're going to try and ride

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Speaker 21: this out and eat the cost for the next couple

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Speaker 21: of weeks. Others are saying, you know what, prices have

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Speaker 21: increased heaps. I need to increase mine as well, and

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Speaker 21: so they're pushing through them quickly.

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Speaker 3: But it's not just the next two weeks, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, as we know, there's a lag effect from

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Speaker 3: what happens here and stuff that is. I mean weeks.

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Speaker 3: For example, takes months to grow, so we're still months

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Speaker 3: away from feeling feeling what it does to bread. So

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Speaker 3: when does this If the war was called off today

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Speaker 3: when would we be through what is going on with

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Speaker 3: inflation as a result of it.

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Speaker 21: I think there's almost sort of two hits that come through.

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Speaker 21: The first is within the next sort of month to

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Speaker 21: three months, you'll definitely see that big impact hitting and

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Speaker 21: that will start I think the next week or two

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Speaker 21: for some food items. It's more though, that even within

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Speaker 21: the next year you're going to see the impact because

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Speaker 21: of all those high fertilizer prices you're seeing at the moment.

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Speaker 21: If a farmer's going out to get their fertilized for

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Speaker 21: next season and not applying as much because it's more expensive,

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Speaker 21: that's going to hit yields and what they're producing sort

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Speaker 21: of within the next twelve months, so it's not an

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Speaker 21: immediate hit. I think you sort of see that shorter

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Speaker 21: one within the next three months, and probably in the

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Speaker 21: next couple of weeks pushing through then not quite a lull,

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Speaker 21: but not as intense pressure. And then it's more just

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Speaker 21: again how much supplies they're coming into the system, what

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Speaker 21: other shocks come through. But let's be clear, I don't

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Speaker 21: know if this conflict ends anytime soon, and if it doesn't,

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Speaker 21: that's where the pressure comes on. It's not just the price.

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Speaker 21: It's also can we get enough fuel?

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Speaker 17: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Well, thanks for giving us the reality, Brad, I do

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Speaker 3: appreciate it. It's Brad Olson, Infametric's chief executive, thirteen past five.

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Speaker 4: Here the duplicy Allen.

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Speaker 3: He is a little bit more from Chrishipkins's stand up.

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Speaker 14: I have not sought any legal advice about Jade's post

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Speaker 14: or about Jade. I have sought some advice about the

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Speaker 14: potential publication of allegations against me that are untrue.

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Speaker 3: So he was not taking the legal advice that we

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Speaker 3: were talking about yesterday because of her. He was taking

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Speaker 3: the legal advice because of us, as in the members

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Speaker 3: of the media who might repeat what she said, which

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Speaker 3: is to the point that we can keep getting on

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Speaker 3: the text messages. Why are we not talking about it

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Speaker 3: because of that? Because he can sue us. Because if

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Speaker 3: you run the story and you can't substantiate, substantiate independently

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Speaker 3: what she said, you get sued as well. That is

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Speaker 3: an explanation for why nothing has been run, none of

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Speaker 3: the detail. Basically Hither, I feel uncomfortable about the media

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Speaker 3: storm on Chippy. I'm not a fan of him, but

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Speaker 3: I feel that this is his personal life and something

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Speaker 3: we shouldn't need to know about, especially as he has kids. Heather,

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Speaker 3: I'm very anti labor, but this assassination of the leader

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Speaker 3: of the Labor party is not on Heather, is your

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Speaker 3: inference that Jade Paul is wrong to speak out? Yeah, yes, yes,

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Speaker 3: I'm saying Jade Paul was wrong to say it because

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Speaker 3: if you have kids, you just don't air your dirty laundry.

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Speaker 3: That's the father of your children. However, it's a fair

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Speaker 3: point that's been raised by Muzzle and texts about whether

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Speaker 3: this is any of our business. So we'll deal with

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Speaker 3: it before this half hour is through. Weirdly op shops

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Speaker 3: next fourteen past five. Now, we all know our chances

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Speaker 3: of winning. The average prize drawers pretty slim, right, But

872
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Speaker 3: Carpet Mill's latest prize draw is actually very different. They

873
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 3: are giving each person who books in a flooring job,

874
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 3: whether it's carpet or hard flooring, a one in five

875
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 3: chance to get their garage carpet done for free. That

876
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 3: means every fifth house will be a winner. All you

877
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Speaker 3: have to do is accept your Carpet Mill quote before

878
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Speaker 3: April thirty, and then you're on the draw to win.

879
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter if you want your new flooring done

880
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 3: in two months or two years, you still have that

881
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 3: one in five chance of getting your carpet in the

882
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Speaker 3: garage for free. Now that's a pretty good odd day.

883
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 3: And don't forget Carpet Mill has been crafting quality carpets

884
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Speaker 3: right here in New Zealand for decades and they're a

885
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Speaker 3: consumer trusted brand. So head along to Carpetmill dot co

886
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Speaker 3: dot nz for all the teas and season the details.

887
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Speaker 3: Do it today so there could be a free garage

888
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Speaker 3: carpet in.

889
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Speaker 7: It for you.

890
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 3: Heather dup Cyllen eighteen past five. Now, apparently going to

891
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 3: the op shop might be falling out of fashion. Young

892
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 3: women apparently who want to look good nowadays aren't buying

893
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 3: secondhand clothes like previous generations. Otago University Professor Lisa McNeil

894
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 3: has been doing some research here and is with us

895
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 3: hig Lisa hi heaven. So what is it that they

896
00:41:58,960 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 3: don't like about the option?

897
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 16: It's less that they don't like it, but they're seeing

898
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 16: significant barriers to actually shopping in that way, so it's

899
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 16: hard for them. It's expensive when they compare it to

900
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 16: some of the cheap new options that are available in market,

901
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 16: and they're not quite so satisfied with what's on offer

902
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 16: in the op shops.

903
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 3: How much of it do you reckon? Is the time

904
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 3: time issue? Because boy, oh boy, digging through all that

905
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 3: stuff in a shop is a hell of a task,

906
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 3: isn't it.

907
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 16: Absolutely, and a number of the young women in my

908
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 16: study actually talked about that, and even just the perception

909
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 16: of the effort before getting to the store can be

910
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 16: off putting for some of them. Stores are kind of

911
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 16: working on that, and they're trying to organize clothing paps

912
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 16: by color, range, by type, or by size, but it's

913
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 16: still perceived as a lot of labor.

914
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 3: Can we say that because of the rise of I

915
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 3: don't even know how you pronounce it any more, sheine

916
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 3: shine whatever machine and the shine and the temouron all

917
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 3: those cheap options, op shops are going to die.

918
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 16: I don't think they're ever going to die, because the

919
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 16: reality is we've got far more garments and textiles than

920
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 16: we really need. And I think that certainly we're going

921
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 16: to have to actually have a circular economy around textiles

922
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 16: and around garments heading into the future. But I think

923
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Speaker 16: we're going to have to perhaps think smarter about the

924
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 16: way that we present what's on offer, and maybe consumers

925
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 16: have to be a bit more conscious about what they

926
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Speaker 16: buy and donate.

927
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Speaker 3: Lisa, thank you so much to really appreciate your time.

928
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Speaker 3: A Lisa McNeil, who was an Otago University professor having

929
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Speaker 3: a study of the op shops maye if you could

930
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 3: just decide it, imagine if you could just decide to

931
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 3: do that. You know what today I feel like I

932
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 3: feel like studying op shops. Now we know why Sean

933
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 3: pen skipped the oscars because we thought that was a

934
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 3: bit of a flex. We were like, that's a ballsy

935
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: move mate, You've got a little gold man. You're going

936
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Speaker 3: to win it. And he did win it, and you're

937
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: not even there to get it. The reason he wasn't

938
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Speaker 3: there was because he was in Ukraine. He was meeting

939
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Speaker 3: with Vladimir Lensky, because of course he's a huge, huge

940
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 3: supporter of the Ukrainian cause. So that explains that. Heather,

941
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 3: I'm in the process of being treated appallingly by my

942
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 3: ex husband, who is also powerful and high profile. I

943
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 3: think that she is brave and post separation abuse is

944
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 3: a subject that requires education and understanding. The kids have

945
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 3: heard much worse criticism of chippy and that's the nature

946
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 3: of public life. They're probably proud of their mother for

947
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 3: having the courage to speak up. I don't know that

948
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 3: I think that primary a j I don't know, nah,

949
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 3: I don't think primary age kids should be proud of

950
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 3: their mum for doing something.

951
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: I don't know.

952
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 3: I think I'm starting to firm up my view on this.

953
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 3: I don't think she should have done this. However, she

954
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 3: left the media with no options. So let's talk about

955
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 3: that next five to twenty one.

956
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: The name you trumped to get the answers you need,

957
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: it's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage

958
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: Like no one else us talk.

959
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 4: They'd be.

960
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 3: Tell you what we's pax. Chief economist Callier cold rickens

961
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 3: that we should be working from home to try to

962
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 3: save the petrol. You know how I feel about the

963
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 3: working from home, so I hate this idea. But he's

964
00:44:58,440 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 3: going to be with us after the news and talk us.

965
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 3: That's a five twenty four now. As you can tell

966
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 3: by the texts that we are getting, and there are

967
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 3: a lot of them, the Hipkins and his ex wife

968
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 3: on social media drama has sparked a debate now about

969
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 3: whether any of this is of any interest to us

970
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 3: any of our business at all, and whether we should

971
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 3: leave politicians' private lives as being private. Now, depending on

972
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 3: who you talk to, some will tell you that that

973
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 3: has actually been the convention in days of old. The

974
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 3: media and the press gallery in years past may have

975
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 3: heard about what is going on in private lives of MPs,

976
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 3: but they didn't report it, and there are cases in

977
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,959
Speaker 3: history that you can point to of that being the truth.

978
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 3: Things that happened with prime minister's kids or spouses that

979
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 3: were just never reported. They were private, they were unrelated

980
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 3: to running the country, and it still is true. In

981
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 3: recent years there have been affairs that everyone in the

982
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 3: media has known about but has left alone. Lately, though,

983
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 3: that convention has been eroded. We had the revelations about

984
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 3: Jamie Lee Ross having multiple affairs that was made public

985
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 3: public that was weaponized against him. You had the Ian

986
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 3: Lease Galloway affair with the staffer that was made public

987
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 3: that weaponized against him. Then you had Bussy's social media

988
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 3: post involving their child and that was obviously made public too. Personally,

989
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 3: I don't think that this is a black and white issue.

990
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 3: I think it's up to judgment right. Unfortunately, I don't know.

991
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 3: You might hate the media, but it is left to

992
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 3: the media's judgment. Definitely, in most cases, I would say

993
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 3: in almost all cases, kids should always be off limits.

994
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 3: The coverage of Anni King's daughter's drugs in the car

995
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 3: in the two thousands was completely unacceptable. It's got nothing

996
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 3: to do with what Annett was doing in her job.

997
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 3: Kids should not be hurt by the fact that their

998
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 3: parents have a profile because of the choice that they've

999
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 3: made for their career. Most affairs, I don't really care

1000
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 3: about most relationship breakdowns. I don't really care about either.

1001
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 3: I don't think it's newsworthy. However, that there are some

1002
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 3: examples where it does become newsworthy. If it's hypocrisy, if

1003
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 3: a politician is being privately, is behaving privately completely in

1004
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 3: contrast to what they're saying publicly, I think it's fair game.

1005
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 3: Chippy is being accused of possible hypocrisy, it might make

1006
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 3: this a news story. If there are character questions or

1007
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 3: state of mind questions, it's relevant. And if a key player,

1008
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 3: which brings us to the Chippy case, if a key

1009
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 3: player like the ex wife is trying to make it

1010
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 3: a news story. I think it becomes a news story

1011
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 3: because at that point, if the media then decided it's

1012
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 3: not a news story and they're not going to run it,

1013
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 3: that becomes a case of suppression, and that would be

1014
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 3: completely unacceptable. Now, as I've said, I think this is

1015
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 3: hideous that this is playing out. There are very young

1016
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,479
Speaker 3: children involved here. I don't think that she is making

1017
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 3: the right choice. She is their mother. She has to

1018
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 3: make those choices. But I can tell you now that

1019
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 3: would not be a choice that I would be making

1020
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 3: as a mother. So I am sorry to see this happen.

1021
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 3: I feel terribly for the kids. I feel terribly for Chippy.

1022
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 3: I feel terribly for her because I think she may

1023
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 3: come to regret it. But what can you do. She's

1024
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 3: made it public, he's responded to it. It's their private lives,

1025
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 3: but this public now in it To ever do for

1026
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 3: ce Ellen's Heather, I'm sorry. He could be the next

1027
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 3: prime minister. We are the taxpayers, so whereas employers, we

1028
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 3: should be able to vet him thoroughly. I mean to

1029
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 3: think about it. Okay, imagine you're a mechanic, right, you're

1030
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 3: employing a mechanic. Are you going to go and talk

1031
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 3: to the end wife about whether he's been having an

1032
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 3: affair with the intern before you employ the mechanic properly,

1033
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 3: not hither. I find the talk of the op shops

1034
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 3: going out of fashion quite strange because my son and

1035
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 3: his girlfriend have both been doing a lot of the

1036
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 3: op shopping lately, and both went to the big vintage

1037
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 3: market at the Showground last weekend. And it wasn't from necessity.

1038
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: It is because they're like finding unique clothes. I mean, look,

1039
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. There are parts of this country

1040
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 3: where op shopping will be alive and well forever. I'm thinking, well,

1041
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 3: I'm looking at you Wellington, I'm looking at you Dunedin.

1042
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 3: You love it, don't you. News is next and the

1043
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 3: Huddle will weigh in with their thoughts about this business

1044
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 3: and the Chippy and his ex wife. News Talks ab.

1045
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

1046
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: your car on your drive home. It's Heather Duplicy Ellen

1047
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: Drive with One New Zealand and the power of satellite

1048
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: mobile News Talks.

1049
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 3: Shane Jones has just announced he've bring fenced the whole

1050
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 3: bunch of money. This is for geothermal projects to try

1051
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 3: and help us with the energy situation. So if you

1052
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 3: feel like you haven't had enough show you're ready for

1053
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 3: a bit of Shane Jones. You need to max the

1054
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 3: Shane Jones in your life. We've got them after six

1055
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 3: for you. How'd all standing by? It's twenty five away

1056
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 3: from six right now now. One of the country's top

1057
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 3: economists reckons we might not need to start thinking about

1058
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 3: the old work from home orders to save fuel. Sri

1059
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 3: Lanka has moved to a four day week from Wednesday

1060
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 3: due to Collins, though the minister who runs the show

1061
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 3: here says, no, we're not considering any changes right now.

1062
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 3: Kelly Ecult is West Pax chief economist and with us

1063
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 3: Hi Kelly Hi, Now, when you say we should be

1064
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 3: considering it, do you mean we should be considering it

1065
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 3: right now or in the future.

1066
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 20: Well, I mean I think it's probably time to think

1067
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 20: about it, because if I look at how that supply

1068
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 20: chain is working to get the fuel to hear, it's

1069
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 20: very much a just in time system. In the flow

1070
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 20: of crude oil from the Persian Girth golf oil fields

1071
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 20: to those Asian refinemers is much drying up around about now.

1072
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 20: So the reality is that unless things change quite quickly.

1073
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 20: Something is going to have to be done, probably in

1074
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 20: the next two or three weeks. See you to start earlier.

1075
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 3: Yet too right? How do you rate the chances that

1076
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 3: we do have some rationing in this country? Let's say

1077
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 3: out of one hundred.

1078
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 20: Oh, I think we'd probably like about a seventy five

1079
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 20: percent chance, so would say hither.

1080
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 3: Okay, So then the sooner we start conserving, the better.

1081
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 3: So working from home for everybody who can.

1082
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 20: Well, that's an easy option, isn't it Because the country,

1083
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 20: or at least a decent part of the country, is

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Speaker 20: already set up to do that. We have some history

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Speaker 20: of doing that. Through the COVID period, we're able to

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Speaker 20: save quite a lot of fuel. With the hard lockdowns,

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Speaker 20: we're not going to save anything near that amount, but

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Speaker 20: it'll certainly help provide more fuel for the more higher

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Speaker 20: priority uses of it.

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Speaker 3: How much do you reckon it does save?

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Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 20: I had the team work on this and the carless

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Speaker 20: days in the eighties. They reckon They saved about three

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00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 20: six percent, sort of like fuel use. We reckon on

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00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 20: this occasion. You know, if say thirty percent of people

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Speaker 20: commuted one less day a week, then that might save

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Speaker 20: about five percent on fuel usage, So that could actually

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Speaker 20: stretch out those fifty eight days of petrol maybe by

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Speaker 20: two or three days. So that tells you that for

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Speaker 20: that one that one day thing, that does something, but

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Speaker 20: there's probably going to be other muses required as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how long I'm just going to ask you how

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Speaker 3: long you think this drags on for? But it really

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Speaker 3: depends on what happens in Iran, doesn't it? The problem

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Speaker 3: with it working from home thing, would you agree, Kelly,

1106
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 3: is that this has become political, hasn't it? Like working

1107
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 3: from home has become a political issue, So if you

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Speaker 3: don't like it, you're probably not going to want to

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Speaker 3: support it, even if it is for saving the oil.

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Speaker 20: Well, certainly there's been a big push by business to

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00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 20: try to get people back into the office, right, So

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00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 20: there's always that reluctance there I think about about going

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Speaker 20: going backwards, I suppose. I mean, there have probably possibly

1114
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Speaker 20: been perception of some productivity issues. But in the end,

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00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 20: you know, if we find ourselves a bit short, if

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00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 20: the boats slow down in terms of the ones bringing

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00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 20: fuel into the country in the next few weeks, got

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Speaker 20: to do something too, right, Listen.

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Speaker 3: You're seventy five percent chance of rationing. When does the

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Speaker 3: rationing kick in.

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Speaker 20: Well, I mean, we've got decent visibility on the fuel

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00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 20: that's coming for the next couple of weeks because you

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00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 20: can actually see the boats on the ocean heading there.

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Speaker 20: So right now we're not in a position where we

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Speaker 20: have any less fuel than we usually have because the

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Speaker 20: tanks are basically always kept us fall and they get

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Speaker 20: topped up. But I guess what I would suspect is

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Speaker 20: that in April, the refiner the countries where the refineries

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Speaker 20: are basically going to make harder decisions. And I don't

1130
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Speaker 20: think it'll be reasonable to expect they're going to say

1131
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Speaker 20: that we can't have any but it might be very

1132
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,919
Speaker 20: reasonable that they say that perhaps we have to cut

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Speaker 20: off twenty five percent.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Kelly listen, thanks very much for talking us through.

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Speaker 3: Kelly echoled WESTPA Chief Economists twenty one away from six the.

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Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southebyst International Realty, a name you

1137
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: can trust locally and globally.

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Speaker 3: With us on the Huddle we have Jordan Williams Taxpayers

1139
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Speaker 3: Union and Gareth Hugh's director at the Well Being Economy

1140
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Speaker 3: Alliance former Green Party MPHI you two Hello, right, we

1141
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 3: might come back to the working from home. I think

1142
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Speaker 3: we need to start with the Crsipkins thing. Is it

1143
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 3: any of our business? Jordan, No, No, it's not. Even

1144
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 3: if the ex wife is drawing media attention to it

1145
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 3: and it is circulating on social media, is it any

1146
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 3: of our business?

1147
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Speaker 22: You still think no, Very clearly. You want to know

1148
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 22: whether your leaders in a democracy af flawed either, you know,

1149
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 22: in various different ways. And so you know, people say

1150
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 22: you don't like negative politics or mut ragging or anything

1151
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 22: like that, but very clearly people do. Because actually any

1152
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 22: politician will say how great they are. It's the it's

1153
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 22: the other side. And I know we can't repeat what

1154
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 22: the specific allegations are, but it's extremely tautary and strike

1155
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 22: right to the character of the person. As he was discussing,

1156
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 22: I'm really in two minds on this. I have seen

1157
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 22: a very nasty streak or side of Christopher Hipkins. He

1158
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 22: defamed me during the last lectioning campaign. His own press

1159
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 22: secretary acknowledged it was wrong and said he was you know,

1160
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 22: an apology was coming or a correction.

1161
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Speaker 4: It never came.

1162
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Speaker 3: And remember he had a crack at the KFC. I

1163
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 3: think he had a crack at the case Taliban, the

1164
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 3: Taliban all he had a crack at the two who

1165
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 3: went over that.

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Speaker 22: I don't think, and I'm quite comfortable to I think

1167
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 22: it'd be defend defensible from a mation point of view

1168
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 22: that he is economic with the truth and has a nasty,

1169
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 22: nasty streak. And so when I saw that post, I

1170
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 22: sort of have some sympathy with the ex wife and

1171
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Speaker 22: that if she is there, you know, his his you know,

1172
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 22: Chippy's brand is you know, mister friend and if she

1173
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 22: is there sea thing, thinking that, well, you know, if

1174
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Speaker 22: only they knew, I can have some sympathy. On the

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Speaker 22: other hand, horrendous for the children, Absolutely horrendous and totally unfair,

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Speaker 22: and that I was tired of something. And I've not

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Speaker 22: seen the whole pressa but my staff was saying, you know,

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Speaker 22: he you know, he came across very human and was upset.

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Speaker 22: Both of that can be true. But I do think

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Speaker 22: that it is a really tough situation the media are

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Speaker 22: in because quite rightly, there is a section of the

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Speaker 22: population going, well, hang on, you went after Sam.

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Speaker 4: The tower.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, they didn't say that it was alleged or unconfirmed allegations. Well,

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Speaker 22: I mean you know it is the ex wife. Who

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Speaker 22: are the media expecting that, you know, to confirm.

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Speaker 3: She can pony up the evidence. Everyone will run it.

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Speaker 3: That's the difficulty, Gareth, What do you reckon our business

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Speaker 3: or not?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's the think we ignore it then, Gareth.

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Speaker 2: No, No, what I'm saying is if it comes to

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Speaker 2: issues of illegality, which isn't a case in this situation,

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Speaker 2: hypocrisy or public trust, it isn't the public interest. Just

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Speaker 2: because the public is interest interested doesn't mean it's in

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Speaker 2: the public interest. And I think the media buy in large,

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00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: have stuck a good balance. You know, they're not repeating

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Speaker 2: the allegations. Remember that post actually was deleted. Children involved,

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Speaker 2: which I think we've all got to keep top of mind.

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Speaker 2: And I did watch the press conference online and what

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Speaker 2: I saw was a very tough situation with a human

1202
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 2: being really, you know, nearly breaking down when it comes

1203
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 2: to question around us kids and how they're doing. So

1204
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Speaker 2: it's tough for politicians, it's tough for politicians families, and

1205
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Speaker 2: I think we've got to be really careful when we

1206
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Speaker 2: talk about you know, these issues.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair point, All right, we'll take a brief break,

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Speaker 3: then we'll come back a seventeen away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the only

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Speaker 3: Right, you're back with the Huddle Jordan Williams and Gareth

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Speaker 3: Gareth Hughes. Gareth, we've been talking about the food data

1213
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Speaker 3: because we've got food inflation data and I think it's

1214
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 3: becoming pretty clear that the fact the cost of living

1215
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,760
Speaker 3: has not abated yet and what is going on around

1216
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 3: is going to make the cost of living even worse

1217
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Speaker 3: means this is going to become quite a big problem

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Speaker 3: for the selection.

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Oh, absolutely, I mean we've already

1220
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Speaker 2: had a cost of living crisis. Now we're going to

1221
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: have an energy crisis. We're going to struggle with the

1222
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 2: two thirds of urea for fertilizer that we bring into

1223
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Speaker 2: this country. It's going to have a huge impact. You know,

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Speaker 2: I'm a vegetarian, so veggie's up nine percent is a

1225
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 2: big worry in the last year. But it's my mince

1226
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 2: loving boy, the teenager who goes through tons of the stuff.

1227
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Speaker 2: You know, that's more than twenty percent. So already Kiwi

1228
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 2: families are really struggling with the price with.

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Speaker 7: The cost of living.

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Speaker 2: Mince was one of those traditional staples, you know, you

1231
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 2: could always sort of rely on it to bulk out

1232
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 2: the meal and feed the whole family. And for the government,

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Speaker 2: you know, they don't really have a particularly good or

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00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 2: strong story around cost of living. Crashing the economy and

1235
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Speaker 2: driving people into one employment and across the ditch hasn't worked.

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Speaker 2: You know, OCRs might actually increase along with interest rates.

1237
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Speaker 2: So the government's very weak on this and this is

1238
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Speaker 2: what the opinion polling shows. Kiwis want actual tangible outcomes

1239
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Speaker 2: on the basics things like mints and veggies.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So what does it mean for the National Party

1241
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 3: election strategy.

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Speaker 22: It's well, it is a huge test for Nikola Willis

1243
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 22: in the coming weeks because it does appear we are

1244
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 22: on the same path as COVID in that there is

1245
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 22: talk about support, you know, and quite rightly there should

1246
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 22: be support, but no talk of the government itself trimming

1247
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 22: its belt or sharpening a pencil in the way that

1248
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 22: need to. And so what that results in is just

1249
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 22: like COVID, you end up with boosting inflation, which is

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Speaker 22: going to be the case anyway with the high fuel

1251
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 22: prices on the meat you know, New Zealand has really

1252
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 22: enjoyed very high commodity prices and we've benefited from red meat,

1253
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 22: and our dollar is not very good. This is the

1254
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Speaker 22: flip side of that coin. But between food and energy,

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00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 22: that really hurts a particular well, it hurts low income

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Speaker 22: New Zealanders.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well it food hurts everybody, right, food hurts everybody

1258
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 3: just proportionately. Yeah, much, that's right, much much more, and

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Speaker 3: it's impossible to escape. Now, Gareth, how do you feel

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Speaker 3: about working from home? Because I'm just going to disclaimer

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Speaker 3: I hate it for multiple reasons, but everybody's just going

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Speaker 3: to dick around at home and do their washing and

1263
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Speaker 3: not actually work. But how do you feel about going

1264
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Speaker 3: to do the working from home to save the fuel?

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Speaker 5: I love it.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a good real rise. Three days a week,

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Speaker 2: two days in the office. I know it's not possible

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Speaker 2: for everyone, but you know your previous commentator from Westpac

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Speaker 2: talked about the seventy five percent chance of rationing. I

1270
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Speaker 2: don't know why we're not doing the easy, low hanging

1271
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 2: fruit which doesn't cost money. You know, we've got all

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Speaker 2: the tools and kit to be able to do this.

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Speaker 2: We've done it before. I just think government departments should

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Speaker 2: be a bit pragmatic.

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Speaker 3: You make a very very good point, right, if it

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Speaker 3: does get to the point where we do have to ration,

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Speaker 3: does the failure to ration as early as now when

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Speaker 3: we're talking about it, does that reflect badly on the government?

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Speaker 7: Oh exactly.

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Speaker 2: And I think they've been relatively relaxed as this crisis

1281
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 2: has played out over the last couple of weeks. I

1282
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 2: think they should be moving with a lot more urgency. Look,

1283
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 2: we should be, you know, bringing back support for electric vehicles.

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Speaker 7: We should be rolling our.

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01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 2: You know, this is the energy independence that's going to

1286
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 2: save manager and protect us in the Senate.

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Speaker 3: Stop it, Gareth, you just want some help getting I mean,

1288
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 3: we are possibly getting ahead of ourselves.

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Speaker 22: But as right, the thing is is that the National

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01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 22: Party default and I saw they send an email to

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Speaker 22: these supporters on Friday night that was forwarded to me

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Speaker 22: that said, you know, New Zealand is well positioned and

1293
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 22: resilient and all of that, and with the markets have

1294
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 22: been very clear us in Australia we're stuffed and we

1295
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Speaker 22: actually I think we because with the last link of

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Speaker 22: a very long logistics chain and we don't hold our

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Speaker 22: stock on shore, and the South Korea and Singapore are

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Speaker 22: being quite well. Not so at Singapore, but South Korea

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Speaker 22: being very clear that even even supplies that are on

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Speaker 22: the ship outside the country, they will instruct the ship

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Speaker 22: and companies to bring it back and compensate for breach

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Speaker 22: of contract. Which is all very well, we'll get some compensation,

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Speaker 22: but we actually need the gas now. In terms of

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Speaker 22: the work from home, look, that will happened naturally if

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Speaker 22: there is rationing, you don't like it or not. In

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Speaker 22: terms of whether the government should be working from home,

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Speaker 22: you know, reasonable minds from a taxpayer perspective can can differ. Now,

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Speaker 22: of course they should all be at work. One of

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Speaker 22: the reasons why Wellington is so dead is that they

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Speaker 22: didn't get back to work quickly thanks to Ory far now.

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Speaker 22: But on the other hand, having them alleled home, ideally

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Speaker 22: in bed doing nothing probably results in a more productive

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Speaker 22: New Zealand too.

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Speaker 3: So hold on, are you saying if we send the

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Speaker 3: public servants home and get them to do nothing, the

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Speaker 3: world is a better place. Of course, yes, of course.

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Speaker 7: Any servants or.

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Speaker 2: Did Jordan work with any public servants over COVID, because

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Speaker 2: I know I did.

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Speaker 7: These guys were working there.

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Speaker 9: A few of them.

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Speaker 22: No, that's not actually I had staff right in the

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Speaker 22: right in the heart of they work for me subsequently,

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Speaker 22: and no, that that's not depend which depended which agency.

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Speaker 22: But by and large, no, there was there was a

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Speaker 22: lot of.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it came down to characters in

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Speaker 3: the garrison. Like we all had friends who was who

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Speaker 3: were working in the public service their butts off, and

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Speaker 3: then others who decided to renovate their home and pretend

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Speaker 3: they were working.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the same in the business world, you know,

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Speaker 2: and in the real world as well. But look, the

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Speaker 2: heart of the matter is we might have to do

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Speaker 2: work from home anyway, we might hope more serious things.

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Speaker 22: Twenty two staff. I really think my organization's productivity suffers

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Speaker 22: not to and it's and as much as I of course,

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Speaker 22: I want to be flexible as much as I can.

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Speaker 22: But the idea of going to a permanent or to

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Speaker 22: be a sort of some sort of hybrid thing, it

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Speaker 22: would be awful.

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Speaker 3: It would be awful, But and ye know, we've got

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Speaker 3: to do what we've got to do. I've come around

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Speaker 3: to the idea. Actually now I'm a fan of it. Guys.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 22: Podcasting from your feet room and we've been already and

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Speaker 22: he's al at no time exactly like that.

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Speaker 3: Yay for everyone. Jordan Williams, Taxpayers Union, Garethheugh's director of

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Speaker 3: the Well Being Economy Alliance, now huddle this evening eight

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Speaker 3: away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy allan Drive full show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by News talk z'b.

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Speaker 3: Omg here that no one is going to control us again,

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Speaker 3: stopping alarmists, and there's lots of exclamations and capitals in

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Speaker 3: that one. I suspect that that text actually is probably

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Speaker 3: that sentiment. It may may go some way to explaining

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Speaker 3: why the government is pretty relaxed at the moment, because

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Speaker 3: when you look around what everybody else was doing, like

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Speaker 3: Sri Lanka going to the four day week, blah blah blah,

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Speaker 3: we do look like we are being quite chill about this.

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Speaker 3: So I'm happy about that because I don't need to

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Speaker 3: be stressed out by these things. But it is also

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Speaker 3: it's probably a little it would be if we reflect,

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Speaker 3: if we do have to ration, and then we reflect back,

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Speaker 3: we might be like you took it a bit too chill,

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Speaker 3: But it'll be because no one wants to be controlled.

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Speaker 5: We just don't.

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Speaker 3: Well it's too triggering. Ay, it's the COVID thing all

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Speaker 3: over again. Now I said to you, I needed to

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Speaker 3: talk to you about the Grace Tame drama in Australia.

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Speaker 3: If you haven't been following this, Grace Tame as the

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Speaker 3: former Australian of the Year. She was given the awll

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Speaker 3: She's a young one. She's given the award for being

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Speaker 3: an advocate for survivors of sexual assault because she herself

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Speaker 3: was a survivor of sexual assault. She has basically just

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Speaker 3: unraveled her entire career in the space of about four weeks,

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Speaker 3: four to six weeks, because she was at We remember

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Speaker 3: when this is about basically started piping up too much

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Speaker 3: on the Palestine issue. Do you remember when the Israeli

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Speaker 3: president was over there and in Australia and they all

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Speaker 3: going hard in the holding the rallies and being very

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Speaker 3: angry at them. She was at one of the rallies

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Speaker 3: and she led the protesters in a chant of globalize

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Speaker 3: the Intofada. Now, since what's happened in Bondai Beach, Australians

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Speaker 3: don't have a lot of truck for that kind of crap.

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Speaker 3: They don't want the globalize the into Farda chants and

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Speaker 3: stuff like that. So as a result of that, they

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Speaker 3: have just got really cross and all of her speaking

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Speaker 3: gigs for the entire year have dried up, and it's

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Speaker 3: only March and she's got no more work, and so

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Speaker 3: she's upset about that, and so she's blamed. She's blames

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Speaker 3: it on a media smear campaign. But then yesterday she

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Speaker 3: went on the ABC and made the whole thing a

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Speaker 3: whole lot worse. She claimed that she said claims by

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Speaker 3: Israeli women that they were raped and sexually abused by

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Speaker 3: Hamas terrorists during the October seven attacks were propaganda. She

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Speaker 3: says it didn't happen problematic for her because she is

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Speaker 3: an advocate for survivors of sexual assault, and what did

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Speaker 3: they say that say believe the women, except for, of course,

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Speaker 3: if you are one of the Israeli women, it would

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Speaker 3: appear as far as Grace tame as concerned as a result,

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Speaker 3: the Israelian embassy, because now, as if that wasn't bad enough,

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Speaker 3: that she's got the headlines for saying that, now the

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Speaker 3: Israelis have weighed into it as well, and the Embassy's

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Speaker 3: told her off and told her to educate herself. So, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I feel like I would have thought that I would

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Speaker 3: have thought Grace that I was gonna say, I would

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Speaker 3: have thought Grace would learned something from the globe lies

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Speaker 3: the interofarta chance. But then again, if you think back,

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Speaker 3: Grace has been getting on people's nerves for a little

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Speaker 3: while actually, so it's probably not a surprise anyway. But

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Speaker 3: I'm just going past behaviors indicative future behavior. I expect

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Speaker 3: more controversy there. Shane Jones with us next, on all

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Speaker 3: the money he set aside for geothermal projects. News Talk ZEDB.

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Speaker 4: Town fast and only twice. What's up, what's down?

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Speaker 1: What were the major calls and how will it affect

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Speaker 1: the economy of big business? Questions on the Business Hour

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Speaker 1: with Heather Duplici, Allen and Mas Insurance and investments, Your

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Speaker 1: futures had good heads used, talks edb even in coming.

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Speaker 3: Up in the next hour, the RBA has moved up

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Speaker 3: twenty five basis points. This is the OCO, So Paul

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Speaker 3: blox And will talk us through the implications. After half pasted.

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Speaker 3: Jomie mackay on what's going on with the fertilizer and

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Speaker 3: the Iran War and end of Brady out of the

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Speaker 3: UK at seven past six. Now the government's putting more

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Speaker 3: money into developing geothermal projects. Resources Minister Shane Jones has

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Speaker 3: announced this afternoon that fifty million dollars has been ring

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Speaker 3: fence for exploration and project building and he joins us

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Speaker 3: now high Shane hi a, Greetings. How many projects does

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Speaker 3: fifty million dollars get you?

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Speaker 5: Well, we announced three today. One particularly important one is

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Speaker 5: going to represent actual drilling of wells around Fakatani because

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Speaker 5: we're confident that businesses here will be able to tap

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Speaker 5: into geothermal energy, but those individual businesses don't have the

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Speaker 5: three million dollars to take the risk. An additional one

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Speaker 5: will be happening in Rotoro and Codo, where the resources

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Speaker 5: are quite profound. However, before we moved to full on extraction,

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Speaker 5: the Crown wants to work with private sector partners and

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Speaker 5: landowners to ensure that the resource sustainability won't be compromised

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Speaker 5: if we intensify both investment and utilization and those locations.

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Speaker 9: So why is it?

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Speaker 3: What is the success rate of these projects? Do you think?

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Speaker 5: Well, of course some of the drilling does strike dry wells,

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Speaker 5: but I want everyone to remind themselves it hadn't have

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Speaker 5: been for our forefathers and their wives back in the

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Speaker 5: nineteen fifties and sixties, we wouldn't have a geothermal resource

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Speaker 5: that's been commercialized in New Zealand. The crown stepped up

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Speaker 5: to the plate in the nineteen fifties did an enormous

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Speaker 5: amount of drilling, not always successful. That a number of

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Speaker 5: those draw holes have turned into major electricity suppliers. And

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Speaker 5: if the private sector can work with the crown and

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01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 5: we can insist in some de risking on land where

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Speaker 5: we know there's substantial potential, it's a win win situation.

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Speaker 3: If it seems like a reasonable success, right, why can't

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Speaker 3: they find the private backing to do it without government assistance?

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Speaker 5: Okay, so if you're a gentail and you dominate the

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Speaker 5: provision of electricity, why would you supply more electricity if

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Speaker 5: it's going to drop the price. This is why telling

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Speaker 5: you media people, the reason that our electricity system is

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Speaker 5: not delivering affordable energy or in deer or indeed secure

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Speaker 5: levels of energy is because the gentailers are gaming the market.

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Speaker 5: They continue to invest in so way that it suits

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Speaker 5: the individual business.

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Speaker 3: The only parent can get investment is it these people?

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Speaker 5: Well, a number of the investors are putting their own

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Speaker 5: money into the project. We are working with Eastland. They've

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Speaker 5: put twenty million dollars in. We are putting some money in. Sadly,

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Speaker 5: a lot of the locations are on Mildi Land, and

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Speaker 5: that itself is a major complication because a lot of

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Speaker 5: the hup who are divided as to whether or not

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Speaker 5: that time should be used. I said to them today,

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Speaker 5: it's about time you thought about national security and economic

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Speaker 5: resilience and don't trot out any more treaty fairy tales

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Speaker 5: to the Mutwa.

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Speaker 3: Now when are we going to get the energy? Let's

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Speaker 3: say that they get onto this as fast as they

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Speaker 3: possibly can, hundred percent success. Right, when do we actually

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Speaker 3: start to see this on the grid?

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Speaker 5: Oh it'll be a matter of years, sadly, but I

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Speaker 5: mean where the situation is worstened also by the attitude

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Speaker 5: of regional councils. You may know sixteen million dollars were

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Speaker 5: dedicated about eighteen months ago for supercritical. Now that's a

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01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 5: bit of a movie shot. I accept that. But if

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Speaker 5: they can go five to eight kilometers ie the drillers

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Speaker 5: into the earth and tap into a hitherto unknown massive

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Speaker 5: source of energy. Then it'll completely transform the way in

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Speaker 5: which electricity and energy is derived in New Zealand. Sadly,

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Speaker 5: I'm advised that they're being hobbled by some very narrow

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Speaker 5: and very troubling attitudes in the regional council from Micatto.

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Speaker 5: So I'm going to get to the bottom of that.

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Speaker 5: We are not going to have energy held RNSOM by unelectable,

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Speaker 5: unaccountable bureaucrats and regional council That's why I want to

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Speaker 5: destroy regional councils.

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Speaker 3: Shane Kelly Echold from Westpac was on before about half

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Speaker 3: an hour ago, and he reckons that we have about

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Speaker 3: a seventy five percent chance that we're going to end

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Speaker 3: up with some kind of rationing of fuel. What do

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Speaker 3: you reckon?

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Speaker 5: Well, once we go into category three and four, Kelly

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Speaker 5: may very well be correct, but all I can do

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Speaker 5: is repeat, and I have to believe that we'd be

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Speaker 5: told the truth by the energy companies that they have

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Speaker 5: sufficient flows of fuel on the vessels and also in country.

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Speaker 5: I suspect what Kelly's referring to is can the refineries

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Speaker 5: continue to operate if there is growing uncertainty as to

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Speaker 5: where they get the feedstock. Now, the feedstock, disproportionately for

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Speaker 5: Southeast Asia comes from the Middle East, but it's not

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Speaker 5: the only source of feedstock. And I suspect what he's

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Speaker 5: also talking about. Even if there is an early cessation

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01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 5: to these hostilities, there's a whole lot of structural disruptiveness

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01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 5: that we're going to have to work through. But I

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01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 5: don't want anyone panic in feeling that there is not

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01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 5: enough fuel in New Zealand, or indeed not enough fuel

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Speaker 5: on the water. We are operating within the framework the

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01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 5: statutory holding obligations from the companies. But I also want

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01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,680
Speaker 5: to remind you, Heather, we went to a just in

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01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 5: time model to suit the oil import companies and it

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01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,639
Speaker 5: was introduced by the Labor government when they closed down

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01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 5: the refinery. I don't know why you people don't agree

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01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 5: with me on the slope.

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01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 3: Oh what are you talking about? We spent time on

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01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 3: front day agreeing with.

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Speaker 7: You on this.

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01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 23: Take you up on it.

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01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 5: We've got three hundred million liters of redundant storage space

1526
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:14,640
Speaker 5: in Rua Kaka Rukaka, which means two parrots. Sadly, one

1527
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 5: hundred parrots arrived. And they want to stop sand mining there,

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01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,640
Speaker 5: but that's another matter, and there is no shortage of

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01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 5: redundant space that can be recapitalized, and this is a

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01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 5: matter that the officials with Channel the Importation Facility will

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01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 5: be working through once we come out of these set

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01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 5: of challenges.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good stuff, listen, thank you very much for taking

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01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 3: the time to talk to us. Go well, let's Shane Jones,

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01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 3: the Resources Minister.

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Speaker 23: Yeah.

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01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 3: By the way, if you haven't, if you didn't hear

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01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 3: the interview that we did on Friday with the chap

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01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 3: who used to run Marsden Point refinery, go back and

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01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 3: have a listen to that, because he is under he's

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01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 3: under no, he's there in no doubt whatsoever that if

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01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 3: Marsden Point was still going, we would have at least

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01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 3: more places that we could get away from because at

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01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 3: the moment you can only get it from like basically

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01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 3: a couple of places refined oil, but we could get

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01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:02,719
Speaker 3: the crude oil from a thousand different places, he said,

1547
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 3: And there was an option to keep the thing going

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01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 3: if the government had stepped in. The government chose not to,

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01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 3: So gon't ever listen to it if you're not convinced,

1550
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 3: like Shane is. I'm convinced Shane's convinced that the manager

1551
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 3: is convinced. You could be convinced as well if you

1552
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 3: go listen to it. Now finally got you some detail

1553
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 3: on what happened with the police chase. And I'm sorry

1554
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 3: it took me so long, but I'm gonna be honest

1555
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 3: with you about what happened.

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01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 7: Here.

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01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 3: We told Will, We said, well, find out what happened,

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01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 3: find out what happened. We'll said, I'm going to find

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01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 3: out what happened. I'm gonna come back and I'm going

1560
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 3: to tell you what happened. And then Will forgot and

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01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 3: Well's gone home, and so then I went out to

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01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 3: the guys and I'm not lying. I'm well, I'm gonna

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01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:37,639
Speaker 3: have to talk. I'm I'm going to have to deal

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01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 3: with this with Will later, because Will is going to

1565
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 3: be very cross with me about saying this out to you,

1566
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 3: because I'm basically doing a jade pool here. I'm airing

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01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 3: our dirty laundry. But there are no children involved, so

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01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 3: it's okay. Anyway, Then I went, well, the children are

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01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 3: probably the news room stuff. So I went out there

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01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 3: and I was like, what happened?

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01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:52,719
Speaker 1: Was happened?

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01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:54,600
Speaker 3: What happened? It's been two hours. I can't take you

1573
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 3: that long to figure it out. They were like, no, we'

1574
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 3: well we know what happened, so why don't you tell me.

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01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 3: I didn't know, So anyway, I'm going to have to

1576
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 3: deal with Will.

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01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 24: So if you're Jade in the newsroom staff the children,

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01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 24: does that mean you're gonna have to take them to Fiji?

1579
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 3: I'm taking the children. I'm taking the children to Fiji immediately.

1580
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:10,799
Speaker 24: I'll forgive you immediately.

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01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 3: And Will, who is chippy, is going to hang out

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01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 3: with Cydy and Sydney because that's what and then cry

1583
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 3: at the airport anyway, So it's not to make fun

1584
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 3: of what's going on for that family, and that's really hard.

1585
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 3: I feel bad for them anyway. So what happened is

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01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,680
Speaker 3: that if you saw the white you running around the

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01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 3: place in Auckland, there's the White Ranger that was stolen

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01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 3: and the group of chaps who were in the White

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01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 3: Ranger stole the White Ranger. They stole it from an address,

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01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 3: by the looks of things, allegedly at Bleak House Road

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01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 3: in Hawick. It was an alleged home invasion and they

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01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 3: were allegedly armed with the machete on multiple occasions, the

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01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 3: vehicle was seen driving on the wrong side of the

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01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 3: road at high speeds. The cops finally caught up with them.

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01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 3: Sounds like possibly on K road. Yeah, the K road

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01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:51,560
Speaker 3: Becausedannika said to me, are you Mamber what happened on

1597
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 3: K Road? I was like, yep, thank you K Road.

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01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 3: They used a distraction device, they used a non lethal

1599
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 3: sponge round, and they used a police dog and unfortunately,

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01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 3: one of the bad guys was bitten by the dog.

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Speaker 10: Quarter past six, It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full

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01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 10: Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by newstalgs BB, Crudging the

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01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 10: numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplessy Allen on the Business Hour with Maths,

1605
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:22,520
Speaker 1: insurance and investments.

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01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 4: Your futures in good hands newstalg Z EDB.

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01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:28,839
Speaker 3: Heather, I hope the dog is okay. Good point nineteen

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01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 3: pass six Jamie mckaye, host of the Countries with Us

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01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 3: Right now.

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01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 4: The Rural Report on Heather Duplassy Alan Drive.

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01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, Heather, youck this war is good for dairy prices?

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01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 23: Well, I don't know. I'll be interested with tonight's Global

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01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 23: dairy trade auction. Incidentally, Heather useless trivia time the four

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01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 23: hundredth Global Dairy Trade events since we kicked them off

1615
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 23: in two thousand and eight. They used to be on

1616
01:15:56,520 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 23: a once a month basis. These days they're on monthly

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01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 23: the first two Tuesday or Wednesday mornings, or the first

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01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 23: and third Wednesday mornings of the month. Okay, So is

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01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 23: Trump's wore good for dairy prices. There's long been a

1620
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 23: theory of correlation between whole milk powder and oil, and

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01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 23: if you to believe the futures market, my.

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01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 7: Guy at.

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01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 23: At Jarden, Mike McIntyre said, holemlk powder could be flat,

1624
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:28,799
Speaker 23: but skim milk powder up two percent. Isn't it amazing

1625
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 23: that things could possibly go up when we're in such

1626
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 23: uncertain times. Apparently on the hotar on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange,

1627
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 23: there has been a massive price list for skim milk powder.

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01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 23: They're currently getting nearly four thousand US dollars per ton.

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01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 23: Our last auction for skim milk powder was it three

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01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 23: two hundred and twenty dollars US per ton, So there's

1631
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,679
Speaker 23: a fair bit of upside their futures market. Also picking

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01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 23: amf and butter to lift by one to one and

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01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:01,560
Speaker 23: a half percent, So this one with interest, Heather, But

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01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 23: it looks like there may be a correlation between the

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01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 23: price of oil and whole milk powder.

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01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 3: Okay, and listen, can you explain to me what is

1637
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 3: going on. What do you think is going to happen

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01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 3: to fertilizer as a result of the war.

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01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 23: Well, I can tell you one thing that's going to

1640
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:16,560
Speaker 23: happen to fertilizer as a price as a result of

1641
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 23: the war, and it's already happened. It's going to get

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01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 23: a hell of a lot more expensive. I spoke to

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01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:24,919
Speaker 23: Calvin Wickham, who's the chief executive of Balance Agre Nutrients,

1644
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 23: our biggest fertilizer co op in this country. I think

1645
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 23: they're responsible for roughly fifty percent of the market share.

1646
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 23: The other big players, Raven sound there slightly less than that. Look,

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01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:40,520
Speaker 23: they've got enough fertilizer and for our autumn needs traditionally

1648
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 23: on sheep and beef farms. Anyhow, that's when the super phosphate,

1649
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:48,839
Speaker 23: the maintenance fertilizer would go on. And the super phosphate

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01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 23: hasn't been as affected as badly as the nitrogenous fertilizers.

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01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 23: And we're a bit different from Australia as well. Here

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01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 23: in New Zealand, because of the climate, we plant most

1653
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 23: of ours in the spring, whereas in Australia they do

1654
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 23: all their seeding, especially for grain, in the autumn, and

1655
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,719
Speaker 23: they're heading into that season right now, and they're really

1656
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 23: worried about a not having enough diesel and b not

1657
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 23: having enough especially nitrogen fertilizers like urea and dat in

1658
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 23: that so we're worried about more importantly what's going to

1659
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 23: happen in springtime. Apparently well, I was told today that

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01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 23: fertilizer is subject to the same pricing effectively as oil.

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01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 23: It's priced at the time of shipment. You can't buy

1662
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 23: it in advance. Obviously, there's significant nutrient commodities shipped through

1663
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 23: the Strait of Hermuz. Something like forty percent of the

1664
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:47,640
Speaker 23: world's supply of nitrogenous fertilizers, that's the stuff that's responsible

1665
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 23: for feeding half the people in the world, goes through

1666
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 23: that passage of water or from that region. Fifty percent

1667
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 23: of our ours does. Already, we've seen prices increase for

1668
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 23: nitrogenous fertilized as circa thirty percent, and Calvin said today

1669
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 23: it could go It looks like it's going to go

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01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 23: as high as fifty percent. However, a final comment here

1671
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:11,799
Speaker 23: that there could be some good news on the horizon

1672
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:16,720
Speaker 23: because Balanzagra Neutrients has a urea plant in Kapuni, Taranaki.

1673
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 23: There there was talk of it closing down, especially when

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01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,560
Speaker 23: the previous government decided to limit the gas supplies and

1675
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 23: all that sort of stuff. They were running out of gas.

1676
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 23: That've managed to get some more. Obviously, what's happening at

1677
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 23: the moment A bit like I guess Marsden point. This

1678
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 23: could be another Marsden point. We need to keep plants

1679
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 23: like Kipuni and Marsden Point open. We need to be

1680
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 23: more resilient when it comes to fertilizer and fuel. So

1681
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 23: watch this space with Kipuny, a plant that was going

1682
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 23: to be mothboard might make a renaissance.

1683
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 3: That's a very good point that you make, Jamie. Thanks

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01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 3: very much. Sjammick McKay, host of the Country six twenty three.

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01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics, all on

1686
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 1: the Business Hour where they had the dupless and mas

1687
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: insurance and investments, your futures in good hands, news talks

1688
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:06,679
Speaker 1: envy either.

1689
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 3: I know you don't take kindly to requests, but can

1690
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 3: you please get Megan Woods on for a Please explain

1691
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:13,680
Speaker 3: most Actually I don't know when you get this. We

1692
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 3: don't take kindly to request.

1693
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:15,600
Speaker 10: What is that?

1694
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 3: That's a fantastic idea. So we've asked Will if he

1695
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 3: could get in touch with Labor. No, we haven't. We're

1696
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 3: not asking Will to do Jack anything anymore. Well doesn't

1697
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:28,679
Speaker 3: even know. I text Will. I said, well, name dropped

1698
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 3: you because you've forgot He said, he doesn't even remember

1699
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 3: that we asked him, So he's doing nothing anyway. keV,

1700
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 3: who's in charge of the show, is going to get

1701
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 3: in touch with Labor and ask if Meghan can come

1702
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 3: on and next. Because that is a fair question. I

1703
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 3: do want to know about it. I have to give

1704
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 3: you an up to The latest. Is the media trying

1705
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 3: to figure out who leaked Chippy's ex's social media. I'll

1706
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 3: run you through that in attack. We'll do with it.

1707
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 3: We'll deal with it in the next half hour. Hang

1708
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 3: on a tic. It's six twenty six.

1709
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 4: There's no business like show business.

1710
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 3: What is that one movie that will always make you cry?

1711
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 3: What a surprise? It's got this weird little pan flute.

1712
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 3: You know what it does, of course it's Titanic. According

1713
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 3: to new research, two fifths of viewers have admitted that

1714
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 3: they cried in Titanic, forty percent of women forty seven

1715
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 3: percent of women, so it's like basically out of women,

1716
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 3: and about a third of men cried in the movie.

1717
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 3: Second saddest movie The Notebook. Women almost twice as likely

1718
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 3: as men to reach for the tissues during that movie.

1719
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 3: Other tearjerkers include Ghost with Demi Moore, Gone with the Wind, Casablanca.

1720
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 3: Each made about one and ten of us weep. One

1721
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 3: of the researchers complained that Hollywood doesn't make good criers anymore,

1722
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 3: but AI begs to differ. Scanning all of Reddit, it

1723
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 3: crowned the eighties Japanese animated war film Grave of the

1724
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 3: Fireflies as the ultimate tear jerker. Manchester by the Sea

1725
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 3: from twenty sixteen came second, and then the twenty twenty

1726
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:51,639
Speaker 3: two movie After Some which stars Paul Mescal came third.

1727
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 3: So weirdly, today, when I was I had to, I

1728
01:21:57,439 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 3: did the KINDI and then one of the kids said

1729
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 3: to me, how can you read this book? It was

1730
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 3: called The Giving Tree, and I read it and I cried.

1731
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,759
Speaker 3: I was reading the kids. My son and two other boys,

1732
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 3: my son and Rafferty and another one there and they

1733
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 3: were like okay. They were still staring at me like

1734
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:14,600
Speaker 3: what the heck was wrong with you? And I was

1735
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 3: crying in the book. Anyway, the teachers think there are

1736
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:20,719
Speaker 3: problems at home. Now they're going to get me some counseling.

1737
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 3: Paul Bloxham on the RBA hiking the ocr next.

1738
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:30,679
Speaker 4: My heart and my heart good.

1739
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the Business Hour

1740
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 1: with Heather, the duper c Allen and Mass insurance and investments,

1741
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 1: your futures in good hands, used talks I'd.

1742
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 3: Be now, gets me stuff in just to ticket's twenty

1743
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 3: four away from Steven Now, Australia's Reserve Bank announced it

1744
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 3: twenty five basis points increase in its official cash rate

1745
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 3: today to fall one as a couple of hours ago.

1746
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 23: Now.

1747
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 3: HSBC Chief Economist Paul Bloxam has of course been watching

1748
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 3: at high pool O good a right, So not unexpected

1749
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,680
Speaker 3: the RBA lifting the rates, But pretty unusual globally, isn't it.

1750
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 25: It is is very unusual if you look across what's

1751
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 25: happening this week. We've got a whole range of central

1752
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 25: banks meeting. We've got the US Central Bank, the Federal Reserve,

1753
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 25: that the Bank of England, the ECB, the Bank of

1754
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 25: Japan and a few others, and they're not expected to

1755
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 25: do anything with their policy rate.

1756
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 7: That's the market expectation, that's our view as well.

1757
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 25: But the RBA is the odd man out, the odd

1758
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 25: one out, having lifted its policy rate today in fact,

1759
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 25: you know, not just lifted it.

1760
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 7: It lifted it in February and it's lifted it again

1761
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 7: in March.

1762
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:43,639
Speaker 25: Australia is in a different spot to all of these

1763
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 25: other places right now, and I think a lot of.

1764
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 7: It is domestic. A lot of it is a unique story.

1765
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:51,599
Speaker 25: Australia has got an economy that is growing too quickly

1766
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 25: for its supply capacity, so it's running well ahead of

1767
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 25: its speed limit, and that has delivered domestic inflation that

1768
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 25: is too high, and the RBA has has needed to

1769
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 25: take action to seek to slow the economy down. That's

1770
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 25: what they've done, and that's what they did again today

1771
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 25: with their rate rise.

1772
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, but obviously what this is going to do is

1773
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 3: and we as you well know, is going to put

1774
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:13,799
Speaker 3: a dampner on GDP and I hear that there's already

1775
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 3: talk about recession. Is that a realistic possibility for Australia.

1776
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 25: Well, I think what we can say right now is

1777
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,720
Speaker 25: Australia needs to have an economic downturn. You have to

1778
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 25: have a slow down. There's really it would be very

1779
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 25: hard to get inflation down without having a slow down

1780
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 25: in the economy at this point. So I think that

1781
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 25: we can be confident of the RBA's lifted interest rates.

1782
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 25: That's going to slow the economy down. That's the mechanism

1783
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 25: for getting inflation to come down.

1784
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:38,679
Speaker 7: The question is how.

1785
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:40,799
Speaker 25: Big a slow down is it, how big a downturn

1786
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:42,600
Speaker 25: is it. Will it actually turn out to be a

1787
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 25: recession or not? And I think that's a much more

1788
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 25: difficult question to answer. I think the risk of it

1789
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 25: has risen, but it's more difficult to answer because not

1790
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 25: only does it depend obviously on the domestic story, but

1791
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 25: it depends on the global story, and what's going on

1792
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 25: right now, I'm sure is highly uncertain. Sharp rise and

1793
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 25: prices is a key feature of that, and the longer

1794
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 25: it goes on, the more it creates a risk that

1795
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 25: that could deliver a bigger downturn from the rest of

1796
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 25: the world that then feeds through to Australia and in

1797
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 25: fact feeds through to New Zealand as well. I mean,

1798
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 25: that's why it's tricky to really have a definitive answer.

1799
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 25: Our central case is no for the moment, but I

1800
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 25: think the risks are tilted to the downside.

1801
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:23,600
Speaker 3: Is that no recession for Australia or no recession for

1802
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 3: Australia and New Zealand.

1803
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 25: We're not forecasting at the moment a recession in either

1804
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 25: of those countries. But I think what we need to

1805
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:34,480
Speaker 25: be aware of is that there's a lot of uncertainty

1806
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 25: in the overall global story right now and that could

1807
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:42,640
Speaker 25: possibly deliver weaker conditions. And in Australia's case, if we

1808
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 25: go back to Australia, what we can say with some

1809
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:49,960
Speaker 25: confidence is Australia has to have a downturn because otherwise

1810
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 25: it's hard to see how inflation is going to come down.

1811
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 25: And the RBA is in the process of making that

1812
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 25: happen by lifting interest rates twice already to sleep to

1813
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 25: slow the economy down to deliver it. So once you're

1814
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 25: in a downturn, if it gets big enough.

1815
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:05,559
Speaker 7: That of course is what you start to call a recession.

1816
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 25: I mean, if it gets deep enough you have an

1817
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 25: actual contraction and you have a sharp enough rise in

1818
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:11,960
Speaker 25: the unployment rate. That's not our central case at the moment,

1819
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 25: but I think the chance of it is rising. I

1820
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:16,560
Speaker 25: think in a New Zealand's case, actually you're in a

1821
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 25: little bit better shape for dealing with the shop that's

1822
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 25: currently arriving.

1823
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:23,559
Speaker 7: And that's partly because you've brought inflation already back down

1824
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 7: into the Reserve Banks target band.

1825
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:28,679
Speaker 25: Australia has got starts off with inflation that's too high,

1826
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 25: and so it's dealing with the domestic problem as well

1827
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:34,680
Speaker 25: as what's happening globally. There is spare capacity in the

1828
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 25: New Zealand economy, so there's still scope to go either

1829
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 25: way with interest rates.

1830
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 7: It's harder, I think, in Australia to think that the

1831
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:41,720
Speaker 7: RBA can do that.

1832
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:44,720
Speaker 25: They've got an economy that's already at its limits, beyond

1833
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 25: its limits in terms of where it's how it's growing.

1834
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 3: This is a political question for you, because we have

1835
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 3: an election coming up in November, and given what you're

1836
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:55,759
Speaker 3: seeing happen over in Iran and the lag effect, should

1837
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 3: we expect that this is all washed out and through

1838
01:26:58,000 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 3: the system at eight months or are we still dealing

1839
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 3: in November with the stuff that's going on over there

1840
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 3: right now?

1841
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 7: Oh, I think that's an extraordinarily hard question to answer.

1842
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 7: I wouldn't know where to start.

1843
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 25: We need to What we need to do is think

1844
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 25: about the things we know the answer to, so we

1845
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 25: know we don't know the answer to that, so we

1846
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 25: have to sort.

1847
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 7: Of work out what the right questions are.

1848
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:19,640
Speaker 25: I mean, how long it goes on for is going

1849
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 25: to be the fundamental deciding factor as to how much

1850
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 25: it continues to deliver upward.

1851
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 7: Pressure on oil prices.

1852
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 25: And that's the big feature of how this has an

1853
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:31,599
Speaker 25: impact and feeds through to the Australian and New Zealand economies.

1854
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:35,639
Speaker 25: And I think the risk is that it got oil

1855
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 25: prices stay higher for longer, and so we need to

1856
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 25: be just aware of that. And then the question would be, well,

1857
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 25: how would you respond to it if you were a policymaker,

1858
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 25: And I would say, in Australia's case, we've already got

1859
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 25: an inflation problem even before this arrived, and so that's

1860
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 25: why the RBA is lifting interest rates at the moment.

1861
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 25: And that means that we have to have a downturn.

1862
01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 25: In New Zealand's case, I think inflation is already back

1863
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 25: in the time target band or.

1864
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 7: Has been very on a core basis, it's in the

1865
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 7: target band, so there's a.

1866
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 25: Bit more room to move in terms of being able

1867
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 25: to support the economy if needed at some point. And

1868
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 25: the same with fiscal policy in terms of Australia. We

1869
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:16,599
Speaker 25: have to when we head towards the May Budget, which

1870
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 25: is going to be a big focus in Australia, and

1871
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 25: the May Budget has to be careful not to boost

1872
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 25: the economy too much and drive more inflation at a

1873
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 25: time when we're already operating beyond capacity.

1874
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:29,479
Speaker 7: New Zealand's got a bit more scope.

1875
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 25: There's a there's fare capacity in the economy, so there's

1876
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 25: a bit more riggle room perhaps on the fiscal side.

1877
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:36,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, pleased to hear it, Hey, Paul, thank you was

1878
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:39,759
Speaker 3: always appreciated. Paul Block some hspc's chief economist. It's eighteen

1879
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 3: away from seven, Heather do l now media I kind

1880
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 3: of alluded to this earlier. Media trying to figure out

1881
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 3: at the moment who it was who took the screenshot

1882
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,719
Speaker 3: of Hopkins's ex's post and then shared it because remember

1883
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 3: she posted it to a private Facebook page and then

1884
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 3: she deleted it, right, So who was it. They're trying

1885
01:28:58,320 --> 01:28:59,639
Speaker 3: to figure out who was it that took the screen

1886
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 3: grab and then sent around to everybody. And she's got

1887
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,640
Speaker 3: a bunch of friends on her Facebook who are to

1888
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 3: the right of politics, and they've been named by media,

1889
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 3: Mark Mitchell, Whinston, Peters's press sick, David Farrer, who does

1890
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 3: the National Party's polling and is regularly on the show,

1891
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 3: and then Annie O'Brien, who's a former National Party staffer.

1892
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:17,680
Speaker 3: They have all denied that they were the ones who

1893
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 3: took the screen grab and shared it. I just want

1894
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:21,479
Speaker 3: to come to their defense on this and say that

1895
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:23,679
Speaker 3: I don't think that being on the right of politics

1896
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:25,840
Speaker 3: is actually any kind of indication of whether you're the

1897
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:28,919
Speaker 3: one who took the screen grab or not, because everybody,

1898
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 3: everybody is finding this salacious, right, everybody was shocked by this.

1899
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 3: People the first person who sent it to me is

1900
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:38,720
Speaker 3: so left wing they probably vote for the Greens. So

1901
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 3: I think that even her lefty friends would surely have

1902
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:45,719
Speaker 3: looked at this and been like, well, girl, screen grab send.

1903
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 3: I don't think it matters whether you're on the right,

1904
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 3: you could be the left, you could be the center. Whatever. Yeah,

1905
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 3: I think this is a bit unfair on those guys.

1906
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, now if you listen to them, I'm going

1907
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:57,720
Speaker 3: to do this. I'm going to beat this drum again

1908
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:00,720
Speaker 3: because I hate this. I hate this policy. If you

1909
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 3: listen to the show regularly, you'll know I am constantly

1910
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 3: raging against the fees free policy. I hate that we

1911
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 3: just randomly one day decided this was just inder, by

1912
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 3: the way, just randomly one day decided we're going to

1913
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 3: pay for one year free for all university students. First,

1914
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:18,800
Speaker 3: it was the first year. Now it's the third year.

1915
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 3: I hate it because it was a bad idea. Kids

1916
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 3: were going to university regardless. It was money we didn't

1917
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 3: have to give them. But it doesn't actually work. It

1918
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:28,720
Speaker 3: hasn't lifted enrollments. It was supposed to lift enrollments from

1919
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,000
Speaker 3: poorer areas. It hasn't done that at all. It's a

1920
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 3: completely pointless waste money. And if you withdrew the funding today,

1921
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 3: the kids would still go to university and you wouldn't

1922
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:37,960
Speaker 3: be taking on debt in this country at the rate

1923
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:39,560
Speaker 3: that you are. Got an update for you on it

1924
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:42,080
Speaker 3: So the Taxpayers Union has done some digging on this

1925
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 3: and they've found that we have spent because of this policy,

1926
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 3: one point one million dollars on a skydiving course for

1927
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:52,559
Speaker 3: the kids. So it's a diploma in commercial sky diving

1928
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 3: at the New Zealand sky Diving School in Padokai. And

1929
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 3: as a result of our free money that we're giving

1930
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 3: the kids, the kids now just paying seven dollars and

1931
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 3: fifty one cents for every jump that they do. Money

1932
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Speaker 3: well spent worth taking on some debt for that, so

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Speaker 3: the kids can have a diploma in skydiving.

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Speaker 15: No, you know it.

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Speaker 3: We're off to the UK next sixteen away from seven.

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Speaker 4: Ever, it's to do with money. It matters to you.

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Speaker 4: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Mas.

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Speaker 1: Insurance and Investments, Your futures in good hands, US talks, i'd.

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Speaker 3: Be Apparently the Warner Brother CEO by the way, if

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Speaker 3: you're watching that deal, apparently the Warner Brother CEO is

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Speaker 3: set to make more than six hundred and sixty seven

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Speaker 3: million US dollars on the sale of the company to Paramount.

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Speaker 3: How good is that? Thirteen away from seven? End of

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Speaker 3: Brady UK correspondence with us, Hello.

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Speaker 4: Ender, Heather.

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Speaker 19: Is he happy though?

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Speaker 7: Is he happy?

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Speaker 3: It's deeply unhappy, deeply unhappy. So you wouldn't want his life, Ender,

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Speaker 3: not at all. Now tell me about what's going on

1950
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Speaker 3: with Trump in the UK again.

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Speaker 19: So he has now said that the UK's responds to

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Speaker 19: the Warrener has been terrible. That's the word used by

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Speaker 19: the American president. He's asking Keir Starmer to get moving

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Speaker 19: with military help, naval support in terms of getting the

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Speaker 19: straits of horror MUDs open. And meanwhile, everyone here I

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Speaker 19: think is as you guys, just watching the price of

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Speaker 19: petrol and diesel and fuel tick up. It's only going

1958
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Speaker 19: to go one way. I made a TV show yesterday,

1959
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Speaker 19: my show Roundtable. I had three oil and energy experts on.

1960
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Speaker 19: They think this year is cooked already. They say that

1961
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Speaker 19: even if the war ended ten minutes ago, it would

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Speaker 19: take months and months for everything to filter through back

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Speaker 19: into the system. And they're all predicting that we're in

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Speaker 19: for an extremely difficult year on the financial front. So

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Speaker 19: Starmer's not budging. I mean, there was various different articles

1966
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Speaker 19: at the weekend about how long he takes to make

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Speaker 19: a decision. He's not going to change. I mean, a

1968
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Speaker 19: man of his age is not going to change, and

1969
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Speaker 19: Trump is ripping into him and a lot of people

1970
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Speaker 19: here just looking at the so called special relationship, it

1971
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Speaker 19: appears to be in flames.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it very much does, doesn't it. I think you're

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Speaker 3: right about the thing being cooked. What is the prediction

1974
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Speaker 3: for where your inflation's going?

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Speaker 19: Well, the plan is and always has been, to keep

1976
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Speaker 19: it at two percent, but we went to three percent

1977
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Speaker 19: last month and I think we'll probably hit five soon.

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Speaker 19: So look, everything's going to get more expensive because not

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Speaker 19: just energy prices, but I think food as well. Even

1980
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Speaker 19: the cost of fertilizer is going to go up, and

1981
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Speaker 19: of course farmers need that to grow the food in

1982
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Speaker 19: the first place. So it's one big vicious cycle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah too, right now, I see this meningitis is quite

1984
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Speaker 3: bad with you guys, isn't it.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, this is really worrying. So it's linked to a

1986
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:39,479
Speaker 19: nightclub in Canterbury, just east of London, a lot of

1987
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Speaker 19: university students at the University of Kent. Two people, two

1988
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Speaker 19: young people are dead. One is a student at the

1989
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Speaker 19: University of Kent, eleven others in hospital, and a small

1990
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Speaker 19: town basically with a very nasty unprecedented outbreak of meningitis.

1991
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Speaker 19: So the medical agencies have moved in. Government is there

1992
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Speaker 19: as well, and they're giving out cautionary antibiotics at the university.

1993
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Speaker 19: But a lot of young students just packing their bags

1994
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Speaker 19: early for Eastern going home.

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Speaker 3: Now, what's going on with Ireland's leader.

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Speaker 19: Well, it is Saint Patrick's Day today and Mee Hall

1997
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Speaker 19: Martin is our tea shock or Prime Minister and he's

1998
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Speaker 19: in America. So this week every year we dispatch all

1999
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Speaker 19: our cabinet and ministers and our leader. The leader goes

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Speaker 19: to America. Everyone else goes to places where we kind

2001
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:28,519
Speaker 19: of want to do business or we want tourists from.

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Speaker 19: That's the easiest way of saying it. And Mee Hall Martin,

2003
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:34,920
Speaker 19: our tea shocker Prime Minister, will be in the Oval

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Speaker 19: Office later on today for what is traditionally a handing

2005
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Speaker 19: over of a bowl of shamrock to the American President.

2006
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Speaker 19: Now this goes back centuries. There have been American presidents

2007
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Speaker 19: who we have been immensely proud to be associated with,

2008
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Speaker 19: and they're Irish roots, like JFK.

2009
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Speaker 4: Reagan.

2010
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Speaker 19: We found Irish roots for all of them. Joe Biden,

2011
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 19: Donald Trump has a golf course in the West of

2012
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Speaker 19: Ireland and nobody. There's no love for Trump in Ireland basically.

2013
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Speaker 19: And the dilemma now is for our tea shock to

2014
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:07,920
Speaker 19: be seen in the Oval Office at a time when

2015
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:12,320
Speaker 19: America is dropping bombs on children's schools in Iran? Do

2016
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:15,200
Speaker 19: we really want that photo opportunity? And a lot of

2017
01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:17,560
Speaker 19: people in Ireland are saying, make a point and don't go.

2018
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Speaker 19: But unfortunately our economy cannot exist without the American tech

2019
01:35:22,920 --> 01:35:26,599
Speaker 19: companies and pharmer companies and the corporate billions day pay us.

2020
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's probably an ill considered idea. Hey

2021
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:31,640
Speaker 3: do you just go to you justspect from Sweden and

2022
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:32,439
Speaker 3: the EBBA Museum.

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Speaker 19: Oh my god, put this on your list of things

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Speaker 19: to do when you next come to Europe. The Abba

2025
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Speaker 19: Museum in Stockholm. I swear I was crying tears of

2026
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Speaker 19: happiness on the way out. It was the most moving

2027
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Speaker 19: experience for beautiful people, their lives told in a museum, interactive,

2028
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Speaker 19: the costumes, the music, you can get up on stage

2029
01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:56,840
Speaker 19: and dance with their holograms. And as I said to

2030
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Speaker 19: my wife, I said, it was my wife's birthday. My

2031
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:02,479
Speaker 19: wife Josellah, I said to her look. I said, it's

2032
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Speaker 19: amazing that I'm taking you to meet the woman I

2033
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Speaker 19: actually wanted to marry when I was ten. It was glorious.

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Speaker 3: You just know the way to a woman's heart.

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Speaker 7: You do.

2036
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:16,160
Speaker 3: And to Brady, Hey, look after yourself mate, and thanks

2037
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:18,679
Speaker 3: for the tip. That's into Brady UK correspondent head away

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01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:19,240
Speaker 3: from seven.

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Speaker 4: It's the Heather.

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Speaker 1: Tuplicy Alan Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by

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Speaker 3: Thank the good Lord, I'm not the only person who

2043
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:34,280
Speaker 3: cried while reading The Giving Tree. Hamish has just text

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Speaker 3: me said, never cried watching a moving but the movie,

2045
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Speaker 3: but The Giving Tree? I cry every time?

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Speaker 1: Is it?

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Speaker 3: Honestly? Thank God? I thought that there was something honestly

2048
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:44,160
Speaker 3: thought there was something wrong with me. I thought, Oh,

2049
01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:49,920
Speaker 3: the patches aren't working. I thought, oh no, it must

2050
01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:51,840
Speaker 3: be must be coming up the time of the month again.

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01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:53,559
Speaker 3: Do you know, like you know, when a woman's crying,

2052
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:56,200
Speaker 3: you're thinking, Oh, something's wrong with the hormones. Something's weird,

2053
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Speaker 3: something weird. It's going on. Must be pregnant again, someone weird. No,

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Speaker 3: It's turns out it is as beautiful a book as

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01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:03,519
Speaker 3: I thought. If a man is crying as well, don't worry,

2056
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Speaker 3: not pregnant, not that time in the month, patches are working,

2057
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:08,000
Speaker 3: don't worry about it, don't worry about any of that stuff.

2058
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:11,040
Speaker 3: Everything is fine. You can ask ants and and Kevin

2059
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:14,280
Speaker 3: the producer later they'll tell you interesting tip if you

2060
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Speaker 3: This is just because after the oscars, basically you look

2061
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:18,960
Speaker 3: at what they're all doing and then you go there

2062
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:21,160
Speaker 3: you basically style yourself on that for the next bit.

2063
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:23,880
Speaker 3: And apparently what we're getting from the oscars is that

2064
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Speaker 3: older women are now allowed to grow their hair longer,

2065
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:28,439
Speaker 3: because you know, that's been the rule, like you had

2066
01:37:28,479 --> 01:37:30,320
Speaker 3: a certain age and then you've got to go golden

2067
01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:32,719
Speaker 3: girls on us, like get a perm crop it short.

2068
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 3: But Demi Moore is sixty three, I know Nicole Kidman's

2069
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:38,880
Speaker 3: fifty eight, Gwyneth is fifty three, and they all wore

2070
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Speaker 3: their hair long, and apparently it's happening here locally women

2071
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:45,080
Speaker 3: are doing the same thing. I think it's okay because

2072
01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:48,280
Speaker 3: because we're stretching youth. So if you're still if you're

2073
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:50,280
Speaker 3: one of those women who's yet dyeing your hair and

2074
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:52,840
Speaker 3: you're getting a bit of maintenance bowtox, maybe some filler,

2075
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:56,240
Speaker 3: maybe whatever, and you're still you're You're like you're you're

2076
01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:58,599
Speaker 3: fooling people into thinking you're a decade or fifteen years

2077
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Speaker 3: younger than you are. You do it, it's sister, grow

2078
01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:04,720
Speaker 3: that hair long. However, if you're aging gracefully and you're

2079
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:07,120
Speaker 3: already gray, you've got to do the Poorler Bennet. You

2080
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:08,760
Speaker 3: gotta go short. Maybe not that short, but you've got

2081
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:10,519
Speaker 3: to go shorter. I think that's the rule. It's the

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Speaker 3: color of the hair.

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Speaker 24: And I'm definitely not weighing on that one out the

2084
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Speaker 24: weighing in on why.

2085
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Speaker 3: I was crying? Am I a psycho to work with

2086
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:17,679
Speaker 3: at the moment?

2087
01:38:18,240 --> 01:38:18,840
Speaker 1: No, No, I thought.

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Speaker 24: The Giving Tree is famously a book that makes everybody cry.

2089
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Speaker 3: Who is it?

2090
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:24,240
Speaker 24: Oh yeah, I've never read it myself, but that's like

2091
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:26,400
Speaker 24: what it's like, The Happy Prince. It's just one of

2092
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:29,040
Speaker 24: those stories that just makes everything it's just impossible to

2093
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:29,760
Speaker 24: get through without the.

2094
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 3: Water work, and you have this is validating me.

2095
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 24: Oh God, please don't start trying A Crouching Tiger, Hid

2096
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Speaker 24: and Dragon. For the record, that's the movie that it

2097
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:39,280
Speaker 24: generally makes me cry.

2098
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:40,280
Speaker 5: Well.

2099
01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:42,880
Speaker 24: No, that ending, man, that ending is powerful. Noah Kahn,

2100
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:46,320
Speaker 24: the Great Divide to play us out tonight. So here's

2101
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:48,439
Speaker 24: something that probably will make you cry. Noah Khan's doing

2102
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Speaker 24: a documentary. He's a pop star out of Vermont, head

2103
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:53,840
Speaker 24: off you hits here as well. It's coming out on

2104
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:56,640
Speaker 24: April thirteenth on Netflix. It's actually going to deal with

2105
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:59,360
Speaker 24: his body dys morphia and his depression and all sorts

2106
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:01,840
Speaker 24: of serious stuff. So apparently they're going for the whole light.

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01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:02,680
Speaker 5: This is a very raw.

2108
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Speaker 24: This is the real Noah Khan story. So if you're

2109
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Speaker 24: interested in that, like I say, it will be April

2110
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Speaker 24: thirteenth on Netflix.

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Speaker 3: No oh, lord, imagine that you could watch this. You

2112
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 3: could watch Titanic. You could read The Giving Tree Hither.

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Speaker 3: I cried at the Giving Tree to Diane, thank you see,

2114
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:19,040
Speaker 3: and everybody's validating.

2115
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Speaker 23: Man.

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01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 3: Then I just said to antswy's weird. Sorry, Ance, You're

2117
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:25,680
Speaker 3: not weird. Everybody cries and crouching tiger and dragging that

2118
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Speaker 3: all right.

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Speaker 15: See you tomorrow

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