1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: So we've got Tests two against the French and Wellington 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: tomorrow night. If there is one thing we've learned from 3 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: the first test, it's that a B side French team 4 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: isn't to be underestimated. Our teams much the same as 5 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: the one that was called up for Dunedin. Damien mackenzie 6 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: is on the bench in the number twenty three. Jersey 7 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: again is with me morning, Damien. 8 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 2: Hey, there you go. 9 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: I'm very well. Thank you. Did you expect the French 10 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: team to be that strong? 11 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: Yeah? For sure. I mean where any French team you 12 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 2: play against, the always you know, put the best fam 13 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: I think you know, particularly under the roof the stay 14 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 2: threw everything at us and it doesn't matter what team 15 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 2: you playing a test match, they always are going to 16 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: put the you know they the best rugby when they 17 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: come up against an all the next side. So I 18 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 2: knew we expected that and I'm not sloly in the 19 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: easy this weekend. 20 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: What's going on here? I mean it seems to me 21 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: that France is or is becoming, or maybe it always 22 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: has been a powerhouse of rugby where even if you 23 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: take out the top tier players, the next lot are 24 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: almost as strong. It's it's kind of like the All Blacks, 25 00:00:58,560 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: isn't it. 26 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I've got some outstanding depth. Obviously, they 27 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: had a lot of new faces playing in the in 28 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: the team, and I've got a probably more inexperienced side 29 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: than they'd usually have a full strength. But I mean, 30 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 2: like you said, it's you know, one person steps aside, 31 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: one guy steps up. So they've always been a strong 32 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: rugby nation and they get bid every year, So I 33 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 2: just I mean it shows the depth they've gotten, the 34 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 2: quality of rugby they're playing over in France, and yeah, 35 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: wish we expected what we got on said day, and 36 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: we know we're going to expect a lot more this 37 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 2: weeking too, So yeah, I guess they've got some great 38 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 2: steps over there at the moment, and I think that's 39 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 2: something we pride ourselves onto. 40 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: So last year we had you starting so far this 41 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: year two Test matches and we've got Body starting in 42 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: the position. Has Razer told you what the plan for 43 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: you is? 44 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: I think you know, Body had a great game last 45 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: weekend and you know he's obviously her world class ten 46 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 2: and I've been lucky enough to learn of him for 47 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: a number of years and you know he's you know, 48 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: got the job of leading the team for a start, 49 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: and I guess, you know, maybe my opportunity may come 50 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 2: later in the series or at a later date, but 51 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: you know, for me, it's regardless of what position I'm putting, 52 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: whether it's obviously fortunate enough to be on the bench 53 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 2: this weekend, it's just sort of made in my role 54 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 2: or whatever that is. I mean, last weekend it was 55 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 2: probably a bit different to what I expected it would be, 56 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: and sort of sat down for a minute and I 57 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 2: was back up. So yeah, I guess sort of when 58 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 2: my opportunity comes, just making sure I make the most 59 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: of it. But yeah, my role at the moment is 60 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 2: just bringing the mpect off the bench and making sure 61 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 2: I do a good job. 62 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 1: There is it different out there when you've got a 63 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: Ardie in the captain position. 64 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 2: Not so much. I think both fairly influential players, Ardie 65 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: and Scooting guys that definitely lead by the actions. ADDIE's 66 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 2: a guy a few words, but when he does speak 67 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: you out, you've listening to Scoots very much the same. 68 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: So I don't think anything changes. We've got some great 69 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: leaders within our team, and although you know, both Ardie 70 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: skippers the team this weekend, scoot was last weekend. We've 71 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: got great guy around them that helped them out as well, 72 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: so nothing changes too much. 73 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know we've talked about the strength of the 74 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: French team and you know by All Black standards, actually 75 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: you guys are quite a green team, not your useself 76 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: for just some of the guys around you. How do 77 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: you reckon? 78 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: They're going really good? You know, it's always awesome to 79 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 2: see new faces in the All Black side, and like 80 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier, just the quality of depth and new 81 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 2: younger rugby and guys being awarded for great super seasons. 82 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 2: So you know, I remember my first time in an 83 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 2: All Rex camp. You know, you're pretty nervous, like our 84 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: first at school. But I think those boys are stepped 85 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 2: in really well and it really put their hand up 86 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: and only role with from the team, and you know 87 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: there are only any bettle with experience. You know, the 88 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 2: more test rugby you play, the more understanding, the more 89 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: you understand it, and just the speed of the game, 90 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: the physicality of the game. So I think those boys 91 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: are doing a great job. 92 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: Have you guys as a team had a chat about 93 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:51,839 Speaker 1: the kicking this week. There's been a bit of chat 94 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: now in workplace about whether there's been maybe a bit 95 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: too much aimless kicking. 96 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: Oh he's there, Oh, there you go. Not so I 97 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: think you know it's uh, you know you text the 98 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: ball to put teams under pressure, so you know, it's 99 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: it's about making sure you're putting the ball in the 100 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:11,839 Speaker 2: right ears the field, particularly putting the ball in front 101 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 2: of your forwards that they're worth working really hard. So 102 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 2: it's really important. And I think the sounds of the 103 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: forecast that might not be too flash this weekend. So 104 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: I think kicking game is really important. I mean, when 105 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: you're out there trying to kick aimlessly, it's making sure 106 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: we're kicking and putting ourselves on the right ears of 107 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 2: the field and making it as easy as possible for 108 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: our forwards to run forward onto the ball. So I 109 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: think there's been some good kicking, not too much aimless kicking. 110 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: Well maybe maybe not. Maybe not aimless kicking. But perhaps 111 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: what is being suggested is I'm trying really hard here, 112 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: Damien to say this nicely. That's why I'm picking my words. 113 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: Maybe we're not as good under the high ball as 114 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: we think we are. What do you think? 115 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: Probably I think it's a lot, a lot more difficult 116 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: now with you know, saving a highball. I mean, not 117 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: too long ago you're able to escoop back, which gave 118 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 2: you you catch at the decker, bit of help to 119 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 2: get a free catch on the ball. But you know, 120 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: now it's sort of a free run. It's definitely a 121 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,799 Speaker 2: lot harder. So you know, obviously a lot of people 122 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 2: think it's maybe something that we need to work on, 123 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 2: and we're always working on it. But I don't think 124 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 2: it's definitely a strength of ours for sure, But I 125 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 2: just don't think it's as easier than what it used 126 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 2: to be. It's a bit of a free free for 127 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: all the air at the moment. So yeah, it's not 128 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 2: an easy, easy sort of skill to nail, but one 129 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: we're definitely still working on a lot throughout our week. 130 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: Brilliant, Damien, go well, I'm sure you got I love 131 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: the way that you play. I'm sure you guys will 132 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: do a brilliant job. Jamien McKenzie all blacks tests tomorrow. 133 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 134 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: news talks it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 135 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.