1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:01,640 Speaker 1: Heather Duper c l. 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 2: Five nineteen. Now, the US government is reportedly putting the 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,239 Speaker 2: full fat milk back into the schools. Whole milk fell 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 2: out of favor in the late seventies because there were 5 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 2: fears about saturated fat and heart disease and stuff like that. 6 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: But RFK loves a bit of the blue top, and 7 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 2: according to a leaked draft, he's putting it back on 8 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 2: the menu in the American schools. Karen Zin is an 9 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 2: aut professor of nutrition and with us. Now, Hey, Karen, Hi, 10 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: Heather good idea. 11 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: Great ideas by time? 12 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: Do you also love the blue top? 13 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: I love the blue top? I do? I never used to. 14 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 3: I was very loyal to the light blue and green top, 15 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 3: But after reading a lot of evidence. 16 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: And some common sense, I'm back on the blue top. 17 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 2: Okay, what is the evidence? And common sense told you? 18 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: So? You know, there was actually a substantial body of 19 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: evidence to show that full fat milk and full fat 20 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: dairy products actually outperform low fat dairy products when it 21 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: comes to a number of chronic diseases, including lowering risk 22 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: of childhood obesity, cardiovascular disease, and type two diabetes. So 23 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: we think that saturated fat is the problem. But when 24 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: we look at the studies, the dairy with a higher 25 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: fat actually shows either a neutral or even a protective 26 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: effect against some of these chronic diseases. 27 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 2: So would we all actually be best off getting rid 28 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: of the light blue and the and the green tops 29 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: and drinking the blue top. 30 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: That is part of the conversation for sure. So saturated 31 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: fat is the or has been, the villain, as you said, 32 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: And I think saturated fat in the context of our 33 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: current ultraprocessed food diet is a real problem. So I 34 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: think if we change and we all go to blue 35 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,919 Speaker 1: top and relax the idea of saturated fat being the villain, 36 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: we also need to make sure that we do focus 37 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: more on eating, sorry, eating whole unprocessed foods alongside it. 38 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Now, I have got quite angry at Health 39 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: New Zealand, Karen. I'm not gonna lie like I've probably 40 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: become slightly irrational, but I have got quite angry with 41 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: them about the rules that they want to introduce for 42 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 2: the hospital cafeterias, and they want the people to go 43 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 2: there and cut the fat off the meat. You would 44 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 2: eat the fat, wouldn't you? 45 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: I would? 46 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 3: And I've actually heard you ranting about this, and it 47 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 3: is as a very very interesting argument, But I do 48 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 3: believe that natural fat from whole foods that were once 49 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 3: recently alive is not there to kill us. 50 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: It really isn't. It's the ultra processed foods and the 51 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: combination of the sugar, fat, salt, additives and all those 52 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: industrial things that they're packaged together and market to us 53 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,119 Speaker 1: in bright colors and flavors. That's what's killing us. It's 54 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: not the bit of saturated fat from our meat or 55 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: chicken or whole milk. 56 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 2: Good from you, Karen, Thank you. Karen's an aut professor 57 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: of nutrition. I've heard you ranting about that that do 58 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 2: you know what if you to anybody else, that's an 59 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 2: insult to me, such a compliment. For more from Hither 60 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to news talks it'd be 61 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 2: from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.