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Speaker 1: And with us. Now is Gail Downey are UK correspondent?

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Speaker 1: Hegail Hi there. So how the prison officers, the numbers

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Speaker 1: of them getting sexed is going up, but by how much?

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Speaker 2: By a third? So up to June this year there

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Speaker 2: are one hundred and sixty five prison staff fired, obviously

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Speaker 2: a third up on that and said on the previous year.

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Speaker 2: I'll just give you an idea some of the offenses.

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Speaker 2: So these include sex acts with inmates and other inappropriate behavior,

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Speaker 2: plus selling drugs and phones, and all of this has

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Speaker 2: come out in a report by His Majesty's Prison and

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Speaker 2: Probation Service. One prison officer who was caught and later

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Speaker 2: jailed for taking drugs into the prison said he could

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Speaker 2: get up to eight hundred dollars for each parcel he

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Speaker 2: brought in with drugs into the prison. Another former officer

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Speaker 2: was filmed having sex with an inmate. She was sacked

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Speaker 2: after the video went viral on social media.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So John Podmore, who Yeah, John Podmore, who was a

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Speaker 2: former governor of several large prisons, including the really big

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Speaker 2: ones in London. He's come out and he's said corruption

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Speaker 2: inside prisons is a greater problem that than it has

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Speaker 2: ever been He says the problem is young, inexperienced staff

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Speaker 2: with paul vetting and inadequate training, and he estimates the

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Speaker 2: value of drugs traded across all prisons in the UK

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Speaker 2: each year is more than two billion dollars.

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Speaker 1: She shit's quite substantial. I mean, look, here's the thing, right,

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Speaker 1: we know that with any within any profession, any sick

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Speaker 1: that there are going to be some bad eggs. The

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Speaker 1: question is basically like how many of them? Is this

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Speaker 1: a big proportion of staff?

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Speaker 2: Well, it seems to be a reasonably large proportion of staff.

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Speaker 2: But the problem is, as John Podmore said, the problem

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Speaker 2: is training because you can actually apply to be a

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Speaker 2: prison officer in England and Wales without any qualifications at all.

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Speaker 2: I mean they give them training on the job. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they do give them a training. I think it's seven

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Speaker 2: weeks training on the job, but you don't need any qualification.

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Speaker 2: So they do Vito, they do do vetting, yes, but

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Speaker 2: he thinks that that should be much tighter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Hey, I see one of Muhammad al

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Speaker 1: Fayed's brothers has now been accused. What's he apparently done?

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Speaker 2: Well, this is Salah Fayed. As you know, there are

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Speaker 2: three brothers who bought the Harold's Department store in London

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Speaker 2: back in nineteen eighty five. He's now been accused of

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Speaker 2: sexual assault and trafficking by three former employees, three women

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Speaker 2: who worked there. They also say they were sexual assaulted

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Speaker 2: or raped by Mohammad al Fayed, who was chairman of

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Speaker 2: the company. So this has all come out, as you know,

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Speaker 2: there's been a whole raft of women who've now come

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Speaker 2: forward and made these accusations and also claims of course

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Speaker 2: of a cover up. You know that they made complaints

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Speaker 2: as supervisors, to colleagues, to management and actually nothing was done.

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Speaker 2: In this latest revelation Harrod's new owners who bought the

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Speaker 2: store in twenty ten, they say, well, the claims point

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Speaker 2: to the breadth of abuse by al Faired, that's Muhammad

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Speaker 2: al Faired, and they raise serious allegations against his brother.

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Speaker 2: His brother died of pancreatic cancer in twenty ten. Muhammad

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Speaker 2: al Fhired. He died in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Gail, thanks for running us through all that stuff

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Speaker 1: that scale downy our UK correspondent. Enjoy your weekend. By

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